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I'm starting to think that Tom Brady is a bit of a jerk

It started in 2005. After the Colts demolished the Patriots in Foxboro 40-21, Tom Brady left the field, changed, and exited the stadium refusing to take questions from the press. I remember watching that and think, Huh, that was sort of an immature and dickish thing to do. I mean, how many times (up until then) had Peyton Manning stood up in front of the firing squad national press and answered stupid question after stupid question following a Colts loss to the Pats? Two years later, I saw Brady re-enter a blowout game against the Miami Dolphins, after being taken out, just so he could pad his stats. Then, just prior to playing the Giants in the Super Bowl, Brady laughed off the notion that the Giants defense would hold the Pats to 17 points.

Um, New York held them to 14. New York won the game. Tom Brady played awful. 

In 2006, Tommy Boy also ditched his then-pregnant girlfriend just so he could hang out with the world's richest supermodel. Now, he and said supermodel are married, and at one of their weddings (because one just isn't enough for millionaires, it seems) the couple's security people opened fire on two cameramen.

Now, this news hits the blogosphere. It is the story of Dennis Paiva, and man who took two flower pots from a trash heap, sold them, and then was busted for larceny:

"I saw these two stainless steel metal containers behind a garage next to the trash," Paiva said. "Scrap metal was really high at the time so I grabbed them and put them in my truck."

Paiva took the planters to a scrapyard in Everett, collected $450 and was feeling pretty good about life. Right up until he got a call from a Boston police detective.

"The guy mentions I took some flower pots," Paiva recalled. "I said,‘I don't know what you're talking about.' He said, ‘We got you on the security camera.' And I said, ‘Yeah, I took them, but they were out with the trash.' He said, ‘You gotta get them back. You don't even want to know who they belong to!' "

Well, when Paiva heard who owned his "scrap metal," he rushed back to the yard but, of course, the planters were history. He went back to police and told them the sad tale and was promptly cited for larceny.

"I said, ‘You're kidding me, they were in the trash!' " Paiva said.

The pots belonged to Tom Brady. Now, because of trips to the hospital and other ailments that have prevented him from finding a job, Paiva is out on the street begging for the $333.33 a week which he must pay back to Tom Brady for the metal pots.

Small side note: Tom Brady is a multi-millionaire. He's also married to the richest model in the world. Did I mention that already?

Deadspin offers this response from a Patriots spokesman:

A Patriots spokesman said "he doubts Brady is aware of Paiva's situation."

Maybe so. Still, making the dude pay back $4,000 for some crap you laid out near your garbage? That's just cold, man. Cold.

I have tons of respect for Brady the football player. Brady, the man, seems kind of aloof. Oh, and kind of a douche too. I mean, $4000 dollars? Did I tell you he's a multi-millionaire?

Also, small side note: Despite this list of rather sketchy incidents, especially the one where his security people fired bullets at cameramen, Tom Brady's reputation is spotless in the eyes of most fans and media. Compare this to Marvin Harrison. Up until someone used a gun possibly owned by Marvin to shoot at a convicted felon who had been causing trouble at a bar, Marvin Harrison's reputation was utterly spotless. No one had anything negative to say about him. After that incident, which never involved Harrison and never resulted in any charges against him, Marvin's name was dragged through the mud by everyone. From ESPN hacks like Sal Paolantonio to internet douchebags like Mike Florio, they spit on his reputation and didn't give a rat's ass when all of their hunches, "unnamed sources," and suggestions about Harrison were dead wrong. Meanwhile, Brady and his associates do all this crap, and he gets a pass. Gotta love the media!

UPDATE: Great quote in the comments:

Who points a security camera at their trash cans?

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I saw this on the Internet earlier and couldn't believe it.

Ruining a guy’s life for metal pots?

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Joseph Addai, otherwise one as The Great Irrationally Hated One, is the first and only running back to rush for 1,000 yards in a season without starting a game in that season.

by Cassieper on Jul 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

justice system, not Tom Brady

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 11, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pure Truth

Peyton just spoke the truth in that statement! He saved their ass…they would have ended up with Cryin Leaf!!!!

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't know if I believe this story.

Most people who collect scrap metal for money are already bums or thieves. It happens all the time here in Indy, people stealing scrap metals off buildings/wherever they can grab it from. I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t in the trash at all…afterall, they are flower pots and those are usually easily accessible outside. I don’t like Brady but this guy doesn’t really seem to be much of a believable character and I’m not ready to say that Brady is above the law and the officers are crooked.

by yellowsnow on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame him for a security camera there.

People root in people’s garbage all the time trying to get personal information to steal their ID

by MarkFive05 on Jul 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the same people who video tape the competition's signals...

Oh god I can hear it now, before anyone blows a gasket I am sooooooo just kidding. Im surprised nobody else dropped that line yet.

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they were probably aimed at the entrance to his apartment

and the trash is in that area. his neighborhood doesn’t have a ton of area where trash cans could be far from his door.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 11, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Most people who collect scrap metal for money are already bums or thieves."

My father-in-law does it all the time. He’s neither. You’re a stuck up snob however. If you would bother yourself to read the article there was a cop who was willing to testify for the guy.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

Chill out a little bit. Notice that I did say “Most” and not all. And what I read was the snippet that BBS posted on the page, I didn’t follow any links. Sue me for not wanting to waste any more time on I think appears to be a whole lot of talk over nothing.

by yellowsnow on Jul 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

married the Hobo King’s daughter? Gratz. ;)

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classy, BP

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Joseph Addai, otherwise one as The Great Irrationally Hated One, is the first and only running back to rush for 1,000 yards in a season without starting a game in that season.

by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

And you’re a saint. Lighten up. ;) <——- means I’m kidding dood. But, whatever.

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OR...

Maybe Tom Brady is just a douchebag!

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be.

And maybe Peyton is worse. After all, sexual assault is worse than having your realty trust go through the legal procedure to address property loss.

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No,

Manning is the ass. And you of course.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets limit our personal attacks to Players, not other posters

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

Manning is the ass. Better? ;-)

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a bit

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 19, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO....

the_iowa_hawkeye got it right…..Brady is an ass AND a douchebag!

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Douche

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Jul 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Get over it

Here’s a silly question…do you think Brady has any idea who this dude is or that he has to panhandle to pay him back? Or that he is even paying him back? Ya think Brady read a line of the court transcript? I love to hear from those whose loyalty to a sports team supercedes common sense. By the way…this poor panhandler is a 61-year old convicted bank robber. He made his bed. Not Tom Brady.

by jvp123 on Jul 10, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brady

is making a broke old homeless man pay him for his garbage that he threw out. While being a millionaire who’s married to a millionaire. He’s a complete and total dick head and there is no nicer way of putting it. He has his camera crew shoot at photographers. What a stand up guy.

Brady’s a selfish, whiny, snobbish dick, and nothing more. Get over it.

by npb1985 on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, like you have ever met the man and would know what he is really like.

 I mean did you go to school with him or know him growing up or anything. I doubt it. Oh and the reason you don’t hear anybody, including ESPN talking about the shooting at the paparazzi at his wedding is because his father-in-law hired the security and shooting at trespassing photographers is not against the law where they were married.

by gardnerhey on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL,

Brady knows about this guy as much as he knows about you. Notta f’n thing. His building prosecuted the old ex-con troublemaker lowlife.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I deal with a fair amount of rich egomaniacs

And I have no problem believing that TB knows very little of what this all is. I’d bet that some Brady staff flunky (body guard, security guard, butler, pool boy, whatever) saw the video and thought, oh, crap, I HAVE TO GET THAT BACK! Calls to the police, using the right names, get results. He probably does not know what day his garbage goes out and cannot locate the nearest grocery store or dry cleaners without help. It’s pretty likely he has people handle this stuff for him.

I would think that TB and his agent are savvy enough to know that going easy on this guy, and maybe even giving him a couple tickets to make up for the stress, would go a LONG way to making this better, but prosecuting will make worse in the public’s eye.

Agreed on the security cameras on the garbage—paparazzi suck—film them whenever you can. The camera are probably on a driveway or service entrance gate, and the garbage is nearby. What surprises me a bit is the physical security—no idea where he lives, but in my neighborhood the fabulously wealthy (lots more than Brady) and snooty put up gates on access to their property and even the garbage lives inside those gates until it is put out for the trash men. So if these pots WERE specifically put out, then I can believe even more easily that some flunky realized he blundered and didn’t want to get in trouble for putting something valuable out in the trash, now some poor sap is taking the heat for it. Actually, the is a noir novel in this incident…. In one chapter Gisele makes a pass at the guy as he gets out of jail, then he is framed for the murder of Randy Moss. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Classic noir tale.

Until we hear an actual quote from TB saying something like “I can’t have everybody picking throug my garbage so I had to make an example out of this guy,” I’d cut him a little slack. There’s plenty of reasons to kick him in the virtual nuts for; this might not be one of them. (so far)

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jul 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.

by KingRichard on Jul 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree

I am fairly certain Brady did not know about this, but he may have. The act is still BS that he’s suing a guy for something he threw out, accidentally or not, especially when you can afford to replace it (unless it had sentimental value). Regardless of what the truth is (probably didn’t know about the guys situation), this is a chance to take a shot at Tom brady, and it’s fun to take shot’s at rivals you dislike.

by npb1985 on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

very unlikely he knows much about this situation. plus, the guy is a convicted robber who recently got out of a 10 year jail sentence.

this whole post is a bit dumb and based on stories that aren’t all too reputable

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

Brady still has more rings than any current QB. He is a modern day Joe Montana and he was a jerk too. Who cares!

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you mean

He is a modern day Joe Montana in the sense he rode the talent of his supporting cast (though you can hardly call Rice “supporting cast”) and his terrific coach, then…I still don’t agree with you. Montana was still better.

And what does the number of rings his team won for him have anything to do with being an a-hole his entire adult life?

by npb1985 on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because it's about football, not the guys personal life.

As long as he isn’t getting in trouble with the law, I don’t give a rip about what he does in his personal life. That’s where I draw the line. We watch him because he plays football. Thats all that matters. Not some stupid pots. Take TO for example. Biggest asshole in football but when it comes to gameday he is one of the best. What he does on the field is what matters. He doesn’t get in trouble with the law. He is a jerk to teamates and coaches but he performs at the highest level on the field and that is what matters. It’s about the game!

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montana in the Super Bowl

83-122, 1,142 yds, 11 TD, 0 INT, 127.8 QB rating, three Super Bowl MVPs.

tell me again who was riding whose coattails?

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Awsome.

I feel Brady is a modern day Montana. He is not better than Montana was. He still has to win another ring to even match Montana. Fans thinking Brady just rides his talented cast don’t know what they are talking about. Take the 2001 season for example. The Pats didn’t have a star RB or WR and they won the SB. The defense helped Brady but he had to play with a subpar offense.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I think its stupid

People compare Brady to Montana in terms of super bowls. Montana was unreal. But it always seems that people who hate Montana give credit to his supporting cast more than him. I don’t think that’s the case. I do with Brady (aside from 2006 when Reche freakin’ Caldwell was his best WR—THAT, my friends, was an impressive season by Brady).

by npb1985 on Jul 10, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2001 was equally impressive

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhhhhh, no

Brady was not that great in the playoffs.

The offense put up 13 then 3 then 13 points with Brady. Bledsoe played better in the title game. Brady was nowhere near the MVP of that game.

Montana is the greatest money time QB ever. He never even threw a pick in the super bowl. He had one major flaw, which was his fragility. Had he not been as fragile, and played the amount of games the other greats have, his numbers would have been right up there with the Marino’s and Mannings. Also, as the poster says below, he won two super bowls before Rice came along. And he was absolutely brilliant against Miami in Suoer Bowl XIX.

by dmstorm22 on Jul 10, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...

I said the Pats D played fantastic but Brady still had to make it happen with a louzy offense. That’s why I think 01’ was so special for Brady. And I never said Brady was better than Montana. He is the closest player to Montana out of the current starting QB’s. Trust me I don’t think Brady is better than Montana(I’m a diehard 9ers fan). But if you are going to compare any QB’s that have played after Montana, then Brady would be his match.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh,

Montana was pre-cap NFL. Apples and oranges as far as winning Super Bowls is concerned. Astute persons realize this.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has nothing to do with cap or no cap

And in the NFL you play to win Super Bowls. Ignorance suggests that the amount of SB’s don’t matter. Ask Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly if they care that they didn’t win any SB’s. It’s the most important thing. And that is why the pros play. They play for championships.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that QBs want to win a championship, doesn't make it a good measure of how good they are

I’m sure that QBs want Supermodels too, but does that mean that Brady is the best QB since he married one?

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a great measure

These guys(NO matter the position they play) would not play pro-football if there wasn’t an end all be all. That my friend is the Super Bowl.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't aware that NFL players quit playing the second they are eliminated from championship contention

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 11, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They play to win the Super Bowl

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 13, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even teams that are out of playoff contention?

do they just not realize it’s impossible? I mean I know a lot of NFL players are a bit thick, but they convince a whole roster that they can still win the superbowl when mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Maybe tell them something like, “mathematically eliminated doesn’t count HEART”.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 14, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.

Super Bowls are great. But much of what pro football players do is about money. I’m sure even if a player’s team is eliminated from a playoff berth many would continue to play hard in order to posture themselves for the next contract. And some people just love competition and love to play football.

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montana won 2 SB's without Rice

To say he rode the talent of his supporting cast is an assinine comment.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montana was a 'system QB'

Bill Walsh himself said that his system was the ‘star.’

Montana (great as he was) had the good fortune of playing for the greatest offensive mind in the past quarter century, Bill Walsh.

Both Montana & the guy who followed him, Steve Young, are in the HOF. They are the only example of back-to-back QB’s to end up in the HOF in the modern ea.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that playing in Walsh’s system was a BIG factor in getting them to the HOF doesn’t understand football at the NFL level.

This isn’t meant to knock either Montana or Young. It’s just to provide a little perspective on the issue at hand.

by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give plenty of credit to the West Coast Offense

I understand what you’re saying but that still doesn’t take away from the fact that you have to have a good QB for it to succeed. Montana was more than a system QB. He left the 9ers and still went to the Playoffs w/ the Chiefs including a championship appearance.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 11, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did not mean to make that all bold lol

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 11, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montana was a great QB

that would’ve thrived almost anywhere.

Through no fault of his own, however, if he had been drafted by doormats such as the 80’s Bucs or Cardinals, for example, it would have been a much different story for him.

But the fact is that his career was helped immeasurably by being drafted by a QB/Offensive guru like Bill Walsh.

Much the same with Mike Singletary who was coached by Buddy Ryan in his innovative system (Ryan was not only the DC back then but also the LB coach).

Players such as Montana & Singletary performed almost to perfection within those systems, but those systems were big factors in their successful careers.

That’s not a knock against either one . . just the reality.

The only two players from the 80’s that basically did things on their own were LT and Reggie White.

Those two players were so dominant that it didn’t matter what system was used and really who the other 10 guys on defense were.

Those guys were truly ‘one man’ wrecking crews.

by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record

The Chiefs were 10-6 the year before Montana got there with Dave Krieg as QB.

In Montana’s first season in KC they went 11-5 . . . a ONE GAME IMPROVEMENT with Montana over Dave Krieg.

Perspective . . .

by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did they make it to the championship with Krieg?

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 13, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope he didn't

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 14, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you brought up the point

about Harrison getting grilled by the media for being set up by a guy who went to jail for providing police with false information, while you hardly here a whimper about Brady’s henchmen. ESPN….wow. Heaven forbid anything happens to their golden boy that could tarnish his media-created image.

by npb1985 on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I sometimes have a hard time separating the person

from the player…I had such a major hate thing for him a couple of years ago I had to wonder…am I a just a hater of Brady…or a lover of Manning? seriously, I questioned myself.

After Brady’s injury last year alot of the hate subsided. But I have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Brady as a person. ewww.

As people our QB’s couldn’t be more opposite Colts and Pats fans. I love the fact that I can always point to Peyton (to my kids) and say: “be like that”…or as it has jokingly become in my house “What Would Peyton Do?” But we’re dorks like that.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or as I repeatedly hammer over my 8 year-old's head

“Please explain to me why that was the right thing to do…” after he’s hit one of his brothers, or done something else reckless or thoughtless. I may just be dorkier!

I’d rather not set up too many humans as role models (thanks, Charles Barkley) because they all have flaws, Peyton too. If I can just get him thinking about how and why something might be right or wrong, I think it’ll work out. Now if I were Todd Marinovich’s dad trying to make my son a robo-QB, I’d be all over the Peyton comparisons.

On the flip-side, we could say “what would Todd Marinovich or Art Schlichter do?” and do the opposite!

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jul 10, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Peyton flaws? Nah, can’t be. ;-)

If my kids knew who Marinovich was, I might actually try that approach. It isn’t a bad idea. Maybe a more current example would be Pacman. ??

The WWPD was actually my husband’s idea. I talk alot about the charity work Peyton does in the offseason. So, basically its his way of reminding me when I’m going off the reservation…

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 10, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my husband has a similar phrase...

“I don’t understand the thought process behind …” whatever it is that the kids did that obviously had no thought process behind it whatsoever. Some things transcend all fan rivalries.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a T-shirt that says, WWPD- What would Peyton do?

I’m a dork like that too.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer is simple.

Stick his butt in their face ;).

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to loathe Manning.

But then I realized much of that was because he was the star of a rival team.

If he played for the Pats I would probably be more forgiving of some of the things that make him unlikable. Same for Brady. If he played for the Colts I might well find some of the things about him unlikable.

I don’t know Peyton Manning. I don’t know Tom Brady. I suspect they are much like you or me. They have done a lot of good things and made some mistakes as well. Hopefully they are in good with the Lord in any case.

But they are both phenomenal football players. They use this ability to bring thrills to we who appreciate the game of football. And that’s what really matters.

So, I don’t hate Manning or the Colts anymore. In the heat of the moment during what has been a rivalry for the ages it was easy enough to get cranky about it. But upon reflection it has been the highest form of football excitement. I’m grateful for this great great rivalry we have had. When these guys are gone we will all look back and appreciate it all the more.

The Colts have gotten the short end of the stick as far as how truly great their teams have been and what they have to show for it. But even though the Pats have had more success they still had to endure the Tyree catch. How would you like to have that BS happen to you? And spygate took a bit of the joy out of the enjoyment no matter how bogus the charge.

So these days I just hate the stealers. They truly are loathsome.

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this, so I will only say in jest

After all, Brady IS a deceptively fast, hard-working, fan favorite.

There is probably some truth to the implication, but not much.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jul 10, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy

From the Boston Herald story:

Dennis Paiva of Malden, who claims the whole thing is a big misunderstanding, spends his days begging on the street after a Boston Municipal Court judge ordered him to pay $4,000 restitution to Brady’s realty trust.

Do you honestly believe a guy with a realty trust knows he even HAS flower pots let alone that someone stole them? Methinks it’s my turn to suggest you haven’t had enough coffee.

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by MaPatsFan on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gold star

to you for catching that little nugget. The guy who did this is no victim. He’s an ex-con. Some lowlife trying to make a sleezy buck, nothing more. Did this guy actually think people ordinarily “throw out” scrap worth $450? What a load of malarkey. This punk knew exactly what he was doing and got off easy.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought I'd say this

but I agree with you! This guy had to know that the steel containers were Brady’s property. And taking somebody’s property without permission, whatever the circumstances, is called stealing. I HATE it when crooks play the victim card to generate public sympathy for their criminal and stupid actions.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 10, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep some perspective, folks

This is the same blog that crucifies ESPN for their “crap” reporting, but you’re willing to believe the garbage printed in the biggest rag in New England, The Herald? And not only The Herald, but the Inside Track gossip page. Come on. That’s like quoting the Enquirer for pete’s sake.

No one here liked the trial-by-press Marvin Harrison received, which swayed the court of public opinion against him from the beginning. It didn’t matter if he was innocent or guilty because the national media already printed their assumptions.

Now you’re all guilty of doing the same thing.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

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by KingRichard on Jul 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

I’m not touching this story

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by MrNFL on Jul 11, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lemme see....

Brady didn’t want to talk to the press after one game. No crime there.

The only game I remember Brady re-entering against the Fish was a game where Cassel was stinking up the field. No crime there.

Could it be Brady was chuckling that somebody was talking trash? Seems a natural reaction to me. You can’t know that he was laughing at the possibility of the Giants holding them to so many points. And what if he did? They scored 38 points against the Giants a few weeks before. Your bias is showing through.

You are actually saying because he had two ceremonies he is a jerk? You know she is from Brazil and he is American right? Do you think maybe not everybody who wanted to see them wed might not have had the ability to go to another continent to see it? Very weak dood.

Brady said the security guards did not shoot. You have no idea what it’s like to have two huge celebs to keep safe from wackos. And even if they did shoot, and were wrong to do so, why is Brady to blame for their act? I can’t believe this is somehow evidence to you that Brady is a jerk.

I don’t know what to tell you about the pots. Maybe we should have somebody come over your place and scoff some stuff worth $8000. I’m sure you wouldn’t mind. The thief was an ex-con. You’re right. Tom should let the ex-con thief off for stealing $8K because he has a lot of money. The guy already has done time, but he’s taking $8000 pots that were “left in the trash”. That’s a credible story, right.

As far as Harrison…. the gun he owned SHOT somebody! That’s kind of a big deal.

What do you think of Manning’s sticking his a$$ and nuts in that poor lady’s face?

I can’t say your post is coming from an unbiased eye.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't his nuts!

He’s too much of a gentleman for that. It was his ass, though….

Yes, I am kidding. I don’t recall the details, but a 20 year-old in college and a 30 year-old public figure are very different things. It doesn’t make what he did right, but I find it hard to come down too hard on 18 for the incident. It also doesn’t seem to be part of a pattern. But I digress….

Back to the real “issue,” I’m willing to bet that when this all plays out, somebody working for TB was putting out garbage and put it out in these expensive metal containers by mistake, never dreaming that somebody would steal the “garbage cans.” When they did, he was justifiably worried about his job. I officially now feel sorry for EVERYBODY involved in this.

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by Bobman on Jul 10, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These guys

are human beings. They don’t do everything perfectly. And it is 100 times harder for them because of their money and fame. This Brady stuff, and some of the Manning stuff is no big deal. It’s just being petty to get bent out of shape over it.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She said it was

He also tried to rehistory the event in his bio by calling it what you are calling it, playful hijinks. She sued him for libel and won. I guess it wasn’t very playful.

by Enoch Root on Jul 10, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manning did what he had to do.

According to what she said he did, he could have been charges with sexual assault. In the first case Tennessee coughed up the money in a settlement. In the second case Manning paid a settlement.

He had to downplay it or he could have faced criminal charges. I think it was a case of a young and dumb kid who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth who thought he could do whatever he wanted. I’m sure he learned something about what his limits were despite his fame from the incident.

But yeah, people who live in glass houses……

by BabeParilli on Jul 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but the thing that gets me is that he actually tried to rewrite it.

I could write off the actual incident as just a dumb, schoolkid move, but when it got serious, he should have realized that and not try to minimize a few years later to the point where he was sued.

It tells me that he didn’t learn anything the first time and that extends from how his actions can be perceived, to the feelings of other people (especially women), to personal responsibility to understanding his actions have consequences.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you "misremembered" the Dolphins game
The only game I remember Brady re-entering against the Fish was a game where Cassel was stinking up the field. No crime there.

Here is the game in question, a 49-28 victory over the 0-5 Dolphins in 2007. Cassel’s first, and only series, came with 11:28 to go in the 4th quarter, up 42-14. He was in for 1 series, throwing an INT for a TD (I’m sure you know all this), making it now 42-21 with 10:30 to go in the game.

Then Brady comes back in the game, passing on 3 of the 5 plays on the next drive. AdvancedNFLStats tells us that the Win Probability went unchanged after the INT for a touchdown, at 99% for the Patriots. Brady most certainly came back in a blowout game, to pad his stats. Was it necessary for him to be chucking balls 20 yards down the field to Moss or Welker?

by mgrex03 on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said,

Cassel was stinking up the field. Who knows why Brady was even out? Maybe he got dinged for a series. Seems people are drawing major negative conclusions without having the facts. One fact is: BB has NEVER been one to take Brady out very early.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You accuse Brady of padding his stats??!!??

When Manning has been doing that for his entire career!?! If it weren’t for Fantasy Football, Peyton would be reviled for his statistics more so than his commercials. But Brady does it for one season and suddenly it is pure evil. That’s ripe.

Just like the Celtics were tanking games to improve their draft status a couple of years ago, but the following year the Heat do the same thing while their coach takes a couple of months off to scout the players that they are losing games to get in the lottery. But nothing was said about that.

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, this isn't a basketball blog.

And second, when did Peyton ever pad his stats. Where’s the proof? Baseless claims aren’t accepted here.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I repeat:

“Baseless claims aren’t accepted here.”

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course he pads his stats Cass

how else do you think Jim Sorgi gets 31 passes a season. Because the Colts never pull Peyton when they are far ahead or have clinched their playoff seed.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course!

How could I be so stupid?

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by Cassieper on Jul 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throwing touchdowns from within the 5-yardline....

on many occasions when they had Edge (who could have busted through on his own). Don’t ask me exactly which seasons or games, but I do remember this because it helped me win two Fantasy Football championships since I also had Marvin and Dallas Clark. Understand that I don’t hate Peyton (except when he plays the Pats). He actually seems like a good guy, but don’t tell me that he didn’t pad his own stats earlier in his career when the Colts had such a high octane offense.

Interestingly enough, when Brady had less than stellar receivers, the argument I always got for Manning over Brady was Peyton’s individual stats and people didn’t care that Brady’s receivers were not close to the same quality. Now that Brady has a quality receiving corp, if his stats rival Peyton’s, the argument is that Brady is padding HIS stats and now it is unacceptable. Sounds like a double standard to me.

As far as that Miami game, I present that Bill Belichick put him back in that game. My guess is that it was done to send a message to the 2nd team (and probably to Miami) and it never really sat well with me. Look at at the entire body of work for these two and tell me which QB has thrown the ball more times when a clock-controlling run game could have done the job. With all due respect, the answer is 100% obvious.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol Peyton is padding his stats because they are pass heavy inside the 5, just like they are outside the 5

Have you considered that they throw inside the 5 because passing is what their offense is best at?

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can say the same for today's Pats

so don’t say Brady pads his stats for throwing so much now when Maroney is always injured, Sammy Morris had a broken bone in his chest, and Kevin Faulk is not a 3-down RB. Until everyone is healthy and steps it up in our offense, passing is what works for them. I would rather have had Edge in his prime, than the 3-headed running back by committee that was the Pats run game in the ONLY year that Brady put up gaudy numbers. Manning had a Pro Bowl running back, but chose to pass to Dallas Clark from the 1 yard line on 1st and goal on several occasions in one particular season and he has had gaudy numbers for most of his early career (except playoff wins.. back then).

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did anyone say that the Pats were padding Brady's stats by passing inside the 5?

All I saw and all I’d argue is that they were doing it by leaving Brady in games long after they were effectively decided.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belichick is the coach....

and he decides how long to keep Brady in the game so don’t blame Brady for wanting to stay in the game. If I were a pro, I would want to stay in all day. Belichick was pissed at all of the scrutiny he got for Spygate (most of it, deservedly so) and he wanted to tear up the league in defiance. It came back to bite us in the ass because Brady got injured in the playoffs and was still injured in the Super Bowl and we lost. Oh well, lesson learned.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that's why Peyton didn't....

restructure his deal so that Edge could have gotten a decent deal of his own and stayed in Indy. Getting rid of Edge would deplete their running game so that he could throw more touchdowns and pad his stats some more. I know this is BS, but why didn’t Peyton restructure his deal to keep Edge in town. Brady did it so the Pats could sign Moss.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peyton re-structured his deal after 06 to give the Colts cap room

there really isn’t much a player can do to restructure when they don’t have a large roster bonus coming that season. When you hear about a player restructuring their contract it’s nearly always converting a large roster bonus, which all goes against the cap the year it’s paid, to signing bonus which gets spread over the remaining life of the contract.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can restructure by.....

making you contract money-heavy on the back end (when there is more of a chance that you would get cut). Brady put off money to later so that the Pats could keep Moss now. That means that the Pats could cut Brady if he is not producing or Brady could sign an extension to spread the money out more. Also, Brady could have asked for a bigger deal, but didn’t. Brady’s contract was completed a year after Peyton’s and he had 3 Super Bowl rings at the time. He could have said “I want to be the highest paid QB/player in the NFL.” He didn’t. He took 30 million less and he only has a higher cap number than Peyton in 2007.

While the bulk of Peyton’s contract is at the end, he still could have put more of it off to keep Edge. Other guys could have done the same, but didn’t.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

less Brady was so selfless in restructuring his deal

so selfless in taking 5 million dollars in signing bonus and 1 mil in salary instead of 6 mil in salary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2859992

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the cap money was put off for later

Brady actually got the real money sooner.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that has something to do with Brady's restructuing not actually being a sacrifice how?

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

greed is the difference

Tom took less money so as not to make things difficult for the organization. Peyton took the “highest paid player” route and the organization be damned.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since Peyton signed that contract

The Colts won 4 division titles (of 5), a Superbowl, averaged 12.8 wins a season and gone 4-3 against the Pats.

Since Brady signed his contract that was suppose to help the team so much more they’ve won 3 division titles (of 4), no Superbowls, averaged 12.25 wins a season and gone 1-4 against the Colts.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

compare

Peyton’s deal over 99 million (7years)
Brady’s deal over 60 million (6 years)

once again, Brady had more Super Bowl success at the time and could have gotten more. He didn’t ask for more because he wanted the Pats to be able to sign other players that could help them win.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or because he/the Pats knew he wasn't as good and couldn't get Peyton money

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good enough to win

3 Super Bowls with Deion Branch and David Givens. Oh and only one of those years had a RB comparable to Edge. Lets go back in time and give Peyton Manning….. Deion Branch, David Givens, and Antoine Smith. Meanwhile, give Brady…. Edge, Marvin, and Wayne. How many Super Bowls does Peyton win? Zero. How many does Brady win? More than three, I guarantee.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many does Brady win without an elite defense?

You’ve been all over the cap implications, but are ignoring the benefit Brady got from how the Pats were structured. The Pats didn’t set the money they didn’t spend on Brady and weapons for him in a pile and burned it, they spent it on a defense that carried them to their 3 titles.

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by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Brady had better success winning because of having a better defense. Manning had better success passing because he had a better offense.

So, they are both great.

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by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta go...

I’ll catch up with youlater.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put the NBA thing in there to......

demonstrate the point that the recent success of Boston area teams has led to an “all things Boston are Evil” sentiment throughout the sports community of the country and to point out a double standard when it comes to Boston area sports teams.

Another FOOTBALL example of this was the whole Spygate thing (which I do not defend at all… very embarrassing). Not one person on ESPN mentioned the fact that a couple of years before Spygate, the Dolphins beat the Pats in a game where they had used video footage of the Pats to get the audio of their calls at the line (both Defense and Offense) and this helped them to beat the Pats. I even remember Tom Jackson and Chris Berman chuckling about how smart the Dolphins were to do this and, when interviewed about it, Belichick agreed. Where was there any mention on this when ESPN covered Spygate to a greater extent than the OJ trial?

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's add some more

The gun he owned that he said was at his house shot somebody, but somehow ended up in a bucket at his car wash. I am sure he just gave access to his house to his frenemy because maybe he just needed a place to sleep and the guy stole the gun and then shot at himself with it. It certainly sounds far less plausible than Marvin shooting him.

by Enoch Root on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude,

are you seriously trying to suggest that Marvin was the shooter? I didn’t realize that you were the cops or detectives in the case. So what inside info do you have?

FACT IS:

Just like us, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. You are making conjectures based on wild speculation, incomplete facts, and your own opinions.

All anybody knows is that Marvin was never charged with anything. You know nothing else as that’s classified information that we will never find out.

Don’t ever come around here with that story again. I’ll shoot it out of the sky again and again and again.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

LOL, Are you seriously saying that he couldn’t have been and isn’t probably the shooter?

Put together the facts and use Occam’s Razor.

How did anyone else get access to a gun that Marvin stated was in his house?

They didn’t charge him because they don’t have enough information. They didn’t have enough information because people suddenly forgot what happened. And, Marvin lied to them.

“My gun? Yes, I have one but I left it in my other pants. Oh, that gun in my pocket? Yes, that is the same gun. I must not have changed my pants like I thought.” The fact that you believe that ridiculousness is proof enough that just don’t want to believe Marvin shot the guy.

By the way, denial and ‘shooting things out of the sky’ are two highly different things. You are just denying.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets look at the facts you've excluded

Shell casings were found inside Dixon’s car

Both witnesses that identified Marvin as the shooter have admitted to lying to police at some point during the case.

Marvin owned a sizable number of guns and several small businesses.

So alternate scenario 1. Ex-con who has been feuding with Marvin drives up to Marvin’s auto garage, and opens fire on Harrison, Harrison returns fire and hits Dixon in the hand.

Alternate scenario 2. Marvin leaves some of his guns at his businesses for employees to use in self defense. He doesn’t remember which gun is where or and says it was out his house after an employee has a fire fight with pissed of ex-con.

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by shake n bake on Jul 11, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite a reach

If it was self-defense, why would Marvin tell an different story? The answer of course is it wasn’t self-defense.

I didn’t read that Marvin as multiple weapons. But it isn’t relevant. People who collect guns are like any collector – they don’t just view them as indeterminate objects, but the know aspects about each one. Each one has a specialness to them. He wouldn’t just leave them around indiscriminately at his businesses. He would know where each one was. And before you say he just bought a bunch for protection and did view them indiscriminately, please be reminded that this was a special Belgian made weapon and not one you get in some back alley. He didn’t just happen to buy it. He bought it because, if he has multiple guns as you say, he collects them.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because he didn't want the media shitstorm around his fights and shootout with the guy?

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by shake n bake on Jul 11, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he wasn't guilty

ESPN the magazine had a great in-depth story about this.

If people won’t testify against someone (and if the crime isn’t ‘caught on tape’ )then sometimes guilty people walk.

by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, because when the other guy is pleads to making false statements to police

and Marvin isn’t charged, the right assumption is that Marvin was in the wrong.

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by shake n bake on Jul 11, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not making any assumption

All I am saying is that just because someone isn’t charged, doesn’t mean that they didn’t do it.

Prosecutors don’t charge defendants (ESPECIALLY high-profile defendants) unless they believe that they will get a conviction.

That’s all.

by GeoMak on Jul 11, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the most inept kind of argument

Your point, as near as I can discern, is that because sometimes in this country the guilty go free, Marvin did it. OK that may have been a bit of an exaggeration and I know you didn’t say those exact words, but it’s pretty clear what you’re implying here.

There is no perfect criminal justice system anywhere in the world, let alone in this country. Of course sometimes the guilty go free. And of course sometimes the innocent are punished. Both of these circumstances are lamentable, but both do occur.

Your logical inconsistency lies in your assertion that (basically), “Sometimes A happens. Therefore A might have happened here.” This is so generalized and unrelated to the specifics of the particular case as to be essentially meaningless. I could just as well say, “GeoMak has never been charged with raping goats. But sometimes people do rape goats and don’t get charged. Just because GeoMak hasn’t been charged with raping goats doesn’t mean he hasn’t raped goats.” This statement is structurally just as valid as yours. I hope you see why this sort of argument is logically flawed and incomplete.

And of course in this country, one is presumed innocent until guilt is proved beyond the shadow of a doubt. You may bemoan that accordingly the guilty sometimes walk free. And this is true. But the alternatives are far more horrible. Just ask the North Koreans or the Chinese.

by ctnyc on Jul 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and,

Brady didn’t have an awful game in that Super Bowl. He was sacked 5 times and knocked down some 24 times. He didn’t throw any picks. He threw for 266 yards and a late TD that could have been the winner, except for the fluke catch by Tyree.

You obviously have no objectivity regarding this whole thing.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I'd love to believe this story on Brady,

Something tells me it’s a little bit fishy. Maybe Boston Cod or something.

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by Indy Lori on Jul 10, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why

would you love to believe it? You want him to be bad?

I don’t want Manning to be bad. I just want him to throw lots of interceptions ;).

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garbage Cans

Just goes to show that the Pats are filming everything they possible can in hopes of an advantage… you would think garbage cans would be safe from Patriot cameras but nope!

by FUBAR69 on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why bother

with a security camera? They should have just pumped some crowd noise into the area and it would have scared the thief off ;).

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now are you trying to say that the Colts pump crowd noise in?

Do you have any proof of that, or are you just giving your opinion based on nothing? And don’t even try to give me that crap of the 2007 Patriots-Colts “disk-skipping” game. The National Football League, CBS, and a stadium of 67,000 fans (of which I was part of) already trashed that.

And if you honestly believe that the NFL and CBS collaborated and made up the story to protect the Colts, then I can’t help you. I refuse to argue with people who believe in conspiracy theories. There’s just no point.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the crowd noise claim has always been a joke

I remember not that long after another game clip was released with the exact same hiccup on it with two other teams. People just can’t take the fact that the RCA Dome was maybe the loudest NFL stadium ever

by LBizZLE on Jul 11, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just teasing dood.

That’s why the wink thing. I really don’t care if the Colts did pipe in crowd noise, or if they turn up the heat. If they are doing that stuff and get caught they will have to suffer punishment. But teams do try to pull shenanigans from time to time. I believe the Colts have been accused of doing the crowd noise thing a few times though. A game against the stealers comes to mind.

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by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accusations mean nothing if not supported by any evidence.

Anyone could accuse anybody of anything. I could accuse you of being arrested 15 times for DUI. That doesn’t make it true. Multiple accusations do not stand alone as evidence of wrongdoing.

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by Cassieper on Jul 15, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Such Hatred For Nothing

I have seen some bias in my life but this really takes the cake.

It is the worst form of yellow journalism out there and you guys all fell for it.

Oh, to the guy who thinks Peyton is a saint, you should read about how he sexually assaulted a female trainer at Tennessee. She sued and, of course, won. Now, you would think he would leave well enough alone, man up and move on. Nope. A few years later, Manning decides to write his side of the story in his bio and passes off his lewd behavior as a boyish prank. Guess what? She sued him again…and won again.

So for as to “What Would Peyton Do?”, well, it looks like he will pay for his mistakes for as many times as he doesn’t learn by them.

by Enoch Root on Jul 10, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to blame

Colt’s fans for being bitter. They only have one ring to show for a decade of great football teams. And it took the greatest comeback ever to get even that one. I feel their pain, so I try to be gentle.

by BabeParilli on Jul 10, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh No

Not when that comeback was against the Pats ; )

by Enoch Root on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup,

that was one hell of a comeback. Colt fans must have been absolutely super depressed through the first maybe 3/4 of that game. "Oh no, NOT AGAIN , to these bastards!!!!!! But they were happy as larks by the end ;).

Despite the excellence of the comeback it did take some choking by the Pat’s D to help though. And that call on Hobbs for interference was absolutely terrible. The NFL apologized to him for blowing it later. But, I give the Colts credit for bringing it and winning the game.

As a Pat’s fan the one that really sucks beyond belief was the Eli Houdini/Tyree Fluke catch. Losing a Super Bowl to that kind of BS is about as bad as it could ever get.

"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl

by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ONLY one ring?

What the heck are you talking about? That Super Bowl run and win was the greatest experience of my life. I wouldn’t trade that for anything in the entire world. A lot of great teams with a lot of great fans never get to experience the feeling of ultimate sports triumph. I will never, repeat never, fault the Indianapolis Colts for only giving me the greatest experience of my life.

And as for the comeback in the AFC Championship Game, I wouldn’t have had it any other way. The fact that the Colts had to overcome so much in that game made it all the sweeter and also made it, by the way, the #1 conference championship game of all-time. They will still be showing that game in NFL Network specials in 30 years, and I will still watch it in its entirety whenever I get the chance.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AMEN

Face it…Tom Brady choked in that playoff game! He had the chance to be the GREAT TOM BRADY HERO, and he threw the INT.!!! Who has LOST more SB’s? That’s right…Brady! They said Peyton couldn’t win the big one, but he won a HUGE one against Tommy and his cheating cronies, then went on and crushed the Bears in the biggest game of them all!!! When Tom can start more consecutive games, throw more TD’s, throw for more yards and win as many MVP’s as Peyton, then MAYBE we’ll talk. Even if he could pull off such a feat(which he can’t), he would still NEVER be as great a man off the field as Peyton! He’s proven that with an unwed mother etc.

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The reason why Peyton hasn’t lost any SBs is that he has only made it to one.

He choked every other time trying to get there.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is every playoff loss Peyton's fault?

There are 52 players + coaches on a team, and 1/2 of the time, Peyton’s not even remotely involved in the play. Quarterbacks get too much blame (and sometimes too much credit) for the outcomes of games.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello

Read what I was responding to. They claim Peyton is the second coming. The rest of the team doesn’t matter.

Aside from that, the only and I mean only time Manning made it to the SB was when he finally realized he didn’t have and couldn’t carry the team. The comeback in the AFCCG wasn’t him. It was Addai and Rhodes. He finally let go. I am glad he has forgotten that already.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

The Pat’s defense choked. Brady & Co. scored over 30 points. He pretty much had joke WR’s.

Nope, bad defense and a great effort by the Colts won that game. (and the Hobbs call)

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by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Hobbs call?

I believe you might be thinking of a different game….

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by Cassieper on Jul 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Sorry you are defending a convicted robber and a man who has multiple arrest for theft? Then bad mouthing the person who had his belonging stolen? Sorry trash doesn’t cost $450 and this poor crippled man was carrying how many pounds of stainless? Sorry for a scrap yard that is a lot of money so it had to be over 100 pounds. Not sure what the prices are there but most scrap yards in the US I would feel safe to say probably pay $2-$4 a pound for stainless.

Also Marvin Harrison was involved in an argument with the man that was shot, at the bar earlier, at least that was what was written in every story I ever read about it.

Also those flower pots were valued at $8000 according to the story I read, so $4000 is a nice discount.

by Asmodeus1971 on Jul 11, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See my Marvin comment above.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no Tom Brady fan...

But this is muck raking at it’s best.

And Tom didn’t know Moynahan was pregnant when he broke up with her. God forbid that anyone leave a relationship that isn’t working, eh?

by eltharion_doa on Jul 11, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

muck raking is right

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This hurts me to say...

As a die hard Colts fan and someone who was hatin’ Brady way before he was a Pat. (He did go to Michigan after all!) I seriously doubt he knew anything about this. It’s entirely likely he’s not even sure which of his houses this happened at. But more importantly why does the fact that he has money make it okay to steal from him? I appreciate the story being told about close to the trash cans and its entirely possible this is some sort of misunderstanding. But honestly, having money makes it okay for people to steal from you? I don’t remember my mother teaching me that….

by racer39girl on Jul 11, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't

make it right to steal from him. But, there is no proof that they were STOLEN! Trash left out in public by law is public doman. Maybe if rich boy was more careful, he would have people take better care of his stuff. om MUST know about it now. Why doesn’t he forgive the debt and let the poor guy go? Because he’s an asshole! All wolverines are assholes!! Charles Woodson, Peyton called…he wants to know how that stolen Heisman looks. He said to tell you that his SB ring looks AWESOME!!! Too bad you’ll never have one!

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read below.

They were not in the trash, nor were they put there by Brady.

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Read Below I meant......

Scroll down to the post “Without all of the facts……”

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and one other thing....

Don’t call Brady “rich boy” unless you want to do the same to Peyton as Brady’s deal was over 30 million less than Peyton’s with less of a signing bonus (and he won three Super Bowls). Brady’s deal was done after Peyton’s so he could have asked for more considering his success rate at the time, but he didn’t. Also, did Peyton ever offer to restructure his contract in order to sign people that can help his team win? Ask Edgerrin James that question and see what he says!

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feel Sorry

I guess we should feel sorry for Tom and all of the rest of the idiots in professional sports. It’s extremely hard to be an MVP player and still be a good man. We hold everyone up to Peyton’s standards, but let’s face it….NO ONE can EVER live up to Peyton’s standards! He is and always will be the BEST OF THE BEST, ON AND OFF THE FIELD!!!!!! Peyton has a beautiful wife, he didn’t knock up one chick and run to another and knock her up too. Tom may have 2 more rings, but Peyton has 2 more MVP’s. Which one shows how great the PLAYER is, not how good the players around him are? That’s right….MVP’S!!!!!! Tom Brady has always been an ass. How do I know? He went to Michigan didn’t he?!!!

by Peyton's Biggest Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Individual or team?

Most people would rather win championships than accrue individual accolades. That’s why Brady restructured his deal to bring Moss to the Pats while Peyton kept his deal and helped usher Edgerrin James out of Indy. How about his father and baby brother telling San Diego not to draft him because he didn’t want to play for them. What a beautiful family!

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guy got a break

If you go on the link above to the original news story, you’ll see an update. Some guy paid the 4 grand for him after reading the story.

by peyton's gal on Jul 11, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good for him.

He’s at least got part of his life back. Now he can beg for important things, like food.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without all of the facts...........

One could assume that Marvin Harrison was guilty of that shooting last year. Remember that? Well I never believed he had anything to do with it even though I am a Pats fan.

Here is what most of the nation doesn’t know about this story (which I got from talk radio hosts in Boston that know almost all of the details).

1) The pots were delivered and nobody was home to receive them, so the idiot delivery guy left them behind Brady’s condo. The trash is also out back.

2) Brady was out of state when this whole thing happened.

3) The police are the ones that ordered the man to pay for them.

4) If the police dealt with anybody it was legal representatives who handle Brady’s estate.

5) This man has a criminal record or theft.

6) It is highly doubtful that Brady had any knowledge of this until it was already in print.

Now this man had an aneurism and back surgery after he was ordered BY THE POLICE to pay Brady back and, therefore, cannot work. While I don’t think that the man should get off “Scott Free,” I would hope that Brady would just let him out of paying for these ridiculous flower pots. I do hope that they aren’t items with some sort of historical or sentimental value for his wife (who probably was the one that purchased them).

I would hope that most of you would agree that just because a person is wealthy, they don’t deserve to be stolen from. If you don’t agree then my level of respect for the people of the Midwest has taken quite a hit. In my experience, Americans in the Midwest and the South are the friendliest and have the best values while the people of the Northeast can be the rudest and pushiest (and I live in Massachusetts so I know of what I speak). While we both may hate each others’ respective teams, we should always get all of the facts before we form opinions and it is a good idea to know someone as a person before you attack their character.

FYI. While Bill Belichick may (purposely) allow himself to be portrayed as a jerk, those that know him know a different person. Several years ago, a man was on the side of the road near Gillette Stadium because his car had a flat tire. A stranger pulled over to assist him in changing the tire. It was Bill Belichick. I would like to know how many other professional coaches have done the same thing.

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While not that exact story,

Dungy has done that kind of stuff many times.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes one.....

And I would consider it a compliment to any person to be compared in character or class with Tony Dungy.

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I don't believe you, but.....

can you actually name one? I would expect that of Tony Dungy, but my story was actually printed after Spygate on either the Boston Globe / Boston Herald website or ESPN’s website. Cannot remember which, but the whole thing was about how BB is actually a nice guy, but keeps the persona in the media because he is so private and because of how the media treated him when he coached / left the Browns. I only ask for specifics because it is easy to say that about someone with a reputation like Dungy has (and deservedly so) and nobody would question it. On the other hand, if you say it about someone that people love to hate (like BB) and people don’t believe it because they don’t want to (sometimes even when you prove it to them).

by chesneyfan on Jul 11, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure I can.

In 2007, the Colts played the Falcons on the Thursday night NFL Network game. In their preview show, they did a nice story with a truck driver with the truck driver telling the story. He had a daughter who played high school sports very well and one day, without warning, she committed suicide. As a way of honoring his daughter, he wrote in to Sports Illustrated to have his daughter featured in their “Faces in the Crowd” feature. Obvously, there was a note there about the suicide.

Dungy somehow found out about it, and soon, the grieving truck driver and his wife received a phone call from Dungy. I don’t know exactly what was said on the phone call, but I imagine a lot of the time was spent talking and telling each other about their kids. After the lengthy phone call, they started exchanging frequent E-Mails and became friends.

To top it all off, Dungy invited the truck driver’s family to the AFC Championship game and the Super Bowl in Miami, where he stood on the sideline (around the 25 yard line) and watched his friend win it all.

This is the story that I always think of first when I think of Coach Dungy, and I am sure there are hundreds of untold stories like it. There will never be another man like him in the NFL.

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by Cassieper on Jul 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to take anything away from Dungy...

but it is a little different when this kind of thing is done spontaneously and without any media coverage. That doesn’t mean that Dungy is less of a person by any means, but what I am asking for is something where a wealthy famous person performs a selfless act without any kind of media coverage or being asked to.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Dungy did was spontaneous and without media coverage

at the time. Remember, this wasn’t mentioned in the media until a year or 2 after it happened.

Wait, are you asking me to tell me a story of Dungy kindness where there is no media coverage? How am I supposed to know about the kindness unless it is covered by the media? Do you think that I know Dungy personally?

Let me spin this another way. How did you find out about the Belichick kindness? It was the media, wasn’t it?

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by Cassieper on Jul 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much respect for Dungy...

Make sure that you don’t think that I am a Dungy hater because I have been a fan of Dungy’s since he was still a coordinator with the Steelers and the Vikings. Since I am also a Buccaneers fan (being born just outside of Tampa) and have been since I was little, I was psyched when the Bucs first gave him his shot as a head coach.

by chesneyfan on Jul 12, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dungy

is in good with the Lord. And that is an awesome thing.

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by BabeParilli on Jul 15, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady's trash story

Great post and even better comment about pointing a security camera at the trash. So good I RT’d and posted about it at examiner.com http://tinyurl.com/m9mknh

by jurisdiva on Jul 11, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Little Confused Here

Why do you think that is a great point? The security camera is in the back. Where burglars tend to try and enter homes. Where burglars feel they won’t be seen by neighbors who will cal the police. Your name implies that you are a lawyer. Do they not teach critical thinking in law school? A camera watching the back entrance is in the exact spot it should be.

by Enoch Root on Jul 11, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Brady kicks puppies and eats kittens

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 11, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the rivalry with the Pats and all.

However, this story is a big nothing. Brady is a famous name and would therefore get exposure for something like this. He was the victim of a theft here, not the bad guy. How much money Brady has is inconsequential. If someone does the crime, they should pay for it. If it was somewhat accidental on this ex-con’s part, he still needs to make this right. Brady is not the bad guy here.

As much as I’d like to get mad at a couple idiot Pats fans posting here for continuing the kind of comments that made me go from liking to hating the Pats, I can’t blame them when provoked like this.

Perhaps a better plan (for us) would’ve been to take the high road when a rival is attacked, and perhaps even defend him from the scrutiny. Much like we would’ve wished someone to do for Marvin last year. Alas, I ask too much.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 11, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the details to the story are probably misunderstood but…..

tom brady should drop all charges because this is beyond ridiculous. come on tom and jungle women, give the guy a break. if this is anybody who had a heart they would drop the charges knowing the struggles the guy is going through. this is just almost laughable how rich both are and they actually making this homeless guy scrap for $$. move on richies. the fact that he is doing nothing about it even thought it innocently happened on both parts says to me…tom brady is somewhat of a jerk!

Im sorry but I dont think peyton would have not dropped the charges and said forget it. and yes I think peyton has a way bigger heart than tom brady and the scary jungle women he is married to

my image changed of tom brady when he refused to shake peytons hand after the big choke when peyton has shaken his hand and answered all the crap thrown his way each and everytime. thats said all we need to know. tom brady is NO peyton manning

by kinnickcolt on Jul 12, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair,

this guy should pay some price for just walking on to private property, deciding what was trash, taking it and selling it.

Forty hours of community service would suffice. He could talk to kids and warn them not to go just grabbing stuff you think is trash and selling it.

(the debt has been paid on his behalf, so this is moot really)

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