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Football Outsiders gives us predictions about 2009

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The number munchers and crunchers at Football Outsiders (specifically, Mike Tanier guest blogging at The Fifth Down), are now giving us predictions for the 2009 season. Some are not so bold (the Chargers winning the AFC) and some are pretty ballsy (the Rams winning 9 games).

It turns out that Spagnuolo isn’t the only reason for optimism in St. Louis. Many statistical indicators suggest that the Rams are close to rising again. One is their fumble recovery percentage: the Rams forced 17 fumbles last year but recovered just 5, a sign that with better luck and a dose of Spagnuolo’s coaching, their defense will create a few more turnovers.

The Rams were one of the worst teams in the league in red zone running, and it takes only a slight improvement in that area to make a big difference on the scoreboard. The Rams lost many of their starters to injuries in 2008 and can get better just by getting healthier.

Tanier also makes note of the Rams' division, the NFC West. To put it bluntly, the West stinks. The Arizona Cardinals might have been a one hit wonder, the Seahawks are a huge question mark, and the 49ers still don't know who will play QB for them.

Tanier also went on to say that the Chargers "look like a 9-7 or 10-6 win team to the naked eye, but our models project them to have one of the best records in the league: they have an 87 percent chance of winning eleven games or more."

Part of the reason Tanier thinks the Chargers will do so well is their division: The AFC West. I take it you see a pattern developing, huh? The Broncos have blown up in the faces of Pat Bowlen and Josh McBoobhead. The Chiefs are in full re-build mode and the Raiders continue to exist in the black vortex of suckitude they have always existed in since Al Davis started making all the personnel and coaching decisions for the team again. If the Chargers do not sweep their division in 2009, they are underachieving.

So, what about the Colts?

Well, for the last three days, 18to88 has been breaking down their thoughts on FO's Almanac and how they view the Colts (so much for their feeling about off-season coverage of the Colts, I guess). In fact, the breakdown is so thorough I almost don't see the need in buying the Almanac. I mean, I already have, but when I have this kind of detail available to me via a blog (because the only reason I get the Almanac is to read what they think of the Colts, and to try to keep up with shake n bake when he talks to me about de-yarrrrrr!), it seems a waste to buy the book.

Anyway, 18to88 reports "sunny weather" for the Colts in 2009, according to Football Outsiders.

Here are the projections for the 2009 Indianapolis Colts:

2009: New staff + same Peyton Manning = same results.
2009 Mean Projection: 11.5 wins

Here are the likely number of wins for the Horse.
On the Clock (0-3): 0%
Loserville (4-6): 0%
Mediocrity (7-8): 4%
Playoff Contender (9-10): 28%
Super Bowl Contender (11+): 68%

In other words, according to their numbers, Indy has a better than 2 in 3 chance to be right back to the same level they have been at for the past 5 years, and a 96% chance of being in the playoff hunt.  I think all Colts fans would take that in a heartbeart.

Despite 18to88 spilling the beans on the Colts projections, I agree with them that buying the Almanac is a fun investment for the serious football fan. And if you don't but much faith in numbers and statistics as a way to predict how teams will perform, check this out:

Take last year: The [Football Outsiders] computers predicted that the 5-11 Ravens would bounce back from a bad season and go deep into the playoffs. We all had a hearty laugh about that one. We stopped laughing when the Ravens went 11-5 and reached the A.F.C. championship game.

Before the 2007 season, our models said the Packers would bounce back on the strength of — get this — a comeback season by Brett Favre. Another howler that just happened to come true.
Scary accurate, huh?

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nice post but...

Really could have done without the negative comments towards 18to88. To me it was clear from the beginning that they won’t write about offseason stuff just for the sake of writing it. If it’s interesting, they’ll do it but they don’t do stuff that they consider fluff. The FO almanac is interesting and worth writing about. The battle for 3rd string RB in June might not be as interesting (although I’ll still come here, read and comment about it all too much).

As their stats show, they write mostly about the Colts and still post a good amount of stuff during the offseason. No need to keep making comments like that.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

OK

There are no negative comments about 18to88 there. I’m not bashing them, calling them names, or saying they suck. Hell, I just linked to them, which will likely send a little traffic their way so people can read the numerous articles they are posting on FO’s Almanac.

And while you and they might not consider discussion about the 3rd RB interesting, you are in the minority when it comes to what Colts fans want to read. 15,000 computers hit that article. They want to read about the 3rd RB. They want to read about who is competing for the nickel spot. More important than reading it, they want to discuss it. You might not want to. 18to88 might not want to. But most Colts fans who frequent the Net do.

And while you seem to suggest I am writing off-season article "just to write them," I am going to respond with a kind "thank you" and a less kind "WTF!" I don’t write shit just to write it. I write shit because I want to read people’s comment about it. I want to see if YOU agree or disagree with what I’m saying. You use the 3rd RB and corner examples again, I want to know if you think about Lance Ball and TJ Rushing will win those respective jobs, because I think they will.

Again, 18to88 might not consider that interesting, and that’s fine. That blog is written for the writers, not for the readers. They said that themselves. That’s an editorial choice on their part and in my opinion it limits them. I am not the only blogger who thinks this. Most established bloggers I have talked to agree with me on this. I’m just the only one who wrote something about it.

No one here is "bashing" 18to88. I poke a little fun at some supposed "blow up" last week and people think it’s bashing. Honestly, this is tiresome. If you want to get on my case for calling them “classless” or insulting them (as they’ve done to me), I can see that. Since I’ve never done that, I don’t get it with you. Seriously, move on already…

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by Brad Wells on Jul 12, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it as negative at first too

I believe you that you didn’t mean it, unfortunate choice of words I guess.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 12, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Rushing is going to win the nickel spot?

I can see Rushing as the dime back and kick/punt returner if he proves healthy (and that’s a big if, because of that knee surgery), but I can’t see him overtaking Jennings for the nickel spot.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Snails can sleep for three years at a time.

by Cassieper on Jul 12, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah

I just thought that “so much for their feeling about off-season coverage of the Colts, I guess” was a really unnecessary subtle dig after all that went down.

And I made a note that I read and comment on all those 3rd string RB articles too. I’m in that 15,000. In fact, I make up probably 5-10 visits on it as I keep coming back to make comments on those types of articles. I’m a huge fan of all the offseason stuff. I just really like 18to88, love what they do, respect that they don’t try to be something they’re not, and was a bit put off by what I saw as an unnecessary slight.

We’re all friends here and I’m on this website WAY too much as it is (ask the IT guys at my internship…)

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 12, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh trust me, we all know how much you like 18 to 88. I’ve read enough of your whiney articles and cry sessions you’ve had over there with Cassieper and shake to last me a lifetime.

This isn’t 18 to 88. BBS can write what he wants. He obviously dislikes that fact 18 to 88 promotes itself as a Colts site and then talks about other stuff that isn’t even NFL related. That’s his prerogative so deal with it. This argument died a couple weeks ago, apparently you didn’t get the memo.

Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.

by KingRichard on Jul 13, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

whiney posts rather

Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.

by KingRichard on Jul 13, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’ve posted about 4 times on their site and only once in reference to this site. I’m on here way more than I’m on there.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 13, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, how nice of you to include me in your mini-rant.

Except…I don’t remember complaining on either site about Stampede Blue. I love both sites and split my time between the 3 Colts blogs (4 once Phil B starts his blog back up for training camp) pretty evenly. That is all.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Snails can sleep for three years at a time.

by Cassieper on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT???

three years in a row? That’s crazy? How often do they make it out of that slumber alive? That may be my favorite fact you’ve had

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Jul 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I always love FOTW compliments. It’s what keeps me thinking of new ones every week, and it’s not always easy.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Snails can sleep for three years at a time.

by Cassieper on Jul 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but this isn't Colts related.

Apparantly some bad influences are rubbing off on you. Get it together.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Snails can sleep for three years at a time.

by Cassieper on Jul 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I love your random facts as well. I always look for a new one whenever I see your comments. Please continue. It is especially helpful during the offseason, my friend.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 13, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I just re-read your earlier comment.

I get it now. I am often slow on jokes. Just ask any member of my family. My sense of humor is, in their words, “nonexistent.”

Also, thanks for the kind words. I never thought that the RFOTWFTEVTIMM’s would be this much of a hit.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Snails can sleep for three years at a time.

by Cassieper on Jul 13, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

good post, regardless

I’m so thankful for this site and 18to88, along with Oehser. It’s tough being a fan so far away (CA).

This season is so exciting, as they are every year for me it seems. I think there will be some let downs, to be sure, but I am so optimistic about our defense and the new receivers. Part of me believes there will be regression to the mean at some point, but then I realize that that phrase doesn’t really apply in this situation because there are so many variables. I’m no statistician when it comes to sports, but I did finish a doctorate in which I had to write a [PTSD inducing] dissertation supported by sound statistics. From what I recall, regression to the mean only occurs when there are static variables and a normal probability curve. When regression doesn’t occur, this is a clue that there is a variable causing a distortion in the predicted outcome – an intervention, per se. In this context, that means a team does everything possible to produce such a variable. The Colts have done this quite well; intervening to produce a more desirable outcome. Hence, 12-4 every season.

I apologize if my logic is flawed, this is just off the top of my head.

by lefpsyd on Jul 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the pic

Someone you know? LOL

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 12, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Wood paneling

Barf…

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by Brad Wells on Jul 12, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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