Good reader quote regarding the mindless analysis at NFL Network
From npb1985 in this thread about NFL Network's segment on the 2009 Indianapolis Colts:
[NFL Network] strikes again with their terrible analysis. That’s what you get though, when you get a group of no brain meatheads with a collective IQ of around 80 to give their "expert" opinions. We don’t invest in defensive "bodies"? I understand, I guess, since we didn’t trade up to take Fili Moala, draft Terrence Taylor and Jerraud Powers, re-sign Ed Johnson, sign Adam Seward, and didn’t draft young guys recently like Clint Session, Phillip Wheeler, or Marcus Howard either. Yep, I guess Bill Polian just doesn’t care about defense, and Ron Meeks was the best DC ever, esp. better than some guy we just got to replace him that’s not even worthy of mention. Right, NFLN?
When I talk to other established bloggers (i.e., people with blogs that give them national recognition, or some junk), one topic that always comes up is the surprising amount of stupidity that comes from former players who try and analyze the game of football. Many of us marvel at just how dumb these half-brain dead morons sound when they discuss basic football topics on TV or in print. There is an old saying that players play, coaches coach, and few know how to do both. When you watch NFL Network's breakdown of the 2009 Colts, I think it is pretty safe to say Jamie Dukes does not have a future in coaching. In fact, if he keeps sounding as ignorant as he did in the Colts piece, his future in broadcasting might be in jeopardy.
Dukes makes the suggestion that the Colts do not invest enough "bodies" on defense. I got the distinct impression "bodies" was Dukes' definition for "first round draft picks." Apparently, in Dukes' world, the only players (or, bodies) worth a damn are players drafted in rounds one through... well, one. Rounds two through seven aren't worth his time, and if you are an undrafted rookie, the team should just give you the Spartan weak baby treatment.
What is funny in all this analysis is that Dukes himself was an undrafted player who managed to eek out a decent career in the NFL: Ten years with three different teams, most years with the Atlanta Falcons. He was an offensive lineman, which (of course) makes him totally qualified to talk about how a future Hall of Fame GM like Bill Polian should build a great defense.
If NFL Network wants to carve a niche in the TV world, why is it trying to be like ESPN? Fans like us stopped watching Chris Berman and his mindless pre-game show because it was short on analysis and long on Keyshawn Johnson (a guy no one likes, and no one respects). We stopped watching Terry Bradshaw and Howie Long do their fake comedy routine because they had about as much insight into the actual games as my 80-year-old landlady. The only reason I watch CBS' show is because James Brown (best sports program host in the biz) does a good job keeping Bill Cowher (a very knowledgeable coach) and Dan Marino on topic. I totally tune out Shannon Sharpe because even at age 40 the man still cannot speak the English language.
If NFL Network wanted to separate themselves from this pack of mindless drivel, why not tailor their content to the knowledgeable fan? Why not bring in people who might not look "flashy" on TV, but do a great job talking about the game. Don't they understand that, to us, the game is everything. Personalities come second to the game.
Why didn't they try to rope in Tony Dungy when he retired? Why not bring Mike Holmgren on set to talk about teams running the West Coast offense? ESPN's Trent Dilfer is one of the best analysts on TV when it comes to breaking down what teams like to do on offense and defense. Why not get him?
Instead, we're stuck with Jamie Dukes, Solomon Wilcotts, and Rod Woodson. Meh.
Maybe I just don't know TV, but I do know this: When just about every NFL fan I know complains that there isn't any good, intelligent pre-game coverage, that suggests to me that an up-and-coming network could have a shot at roping in a very loyal, very attention-starved demographic: The real NFL fan. Because, in all honesty, the only person watching any of these pre-game and post-game shows is an NFL fan. It would be nice if the network that is, you know, owned by the NFL would tailor its content to the NFL fan.
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So True
But should we be surprised? This falls in the same category of how blogs like SB, Oesher’s, 18to88, etc. have made the Indy Star irrelevant when it comes to Colts information. I expected nothing from their report, but got even less.
BTW, you’re spot on with the review of the network pre and postgame shows. They believe it’s more important to put on a comedy show than a sports show.
by smonroe on Jul 18, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I smell Sports Nation TV brewing...
… but can we get Warren Sapp? I don’t care if his analysis is poor… his personality is fun.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Jul 18, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The ony pre-show that I watch is Fox
since the local CBS affiliated station sold the CBS NFL pregame show’s time slot to a local church. ESPN is horrible, but I only listen to Ditka and occasionally TJ. I actually like the humor on FOX, but I only take Jimmy Johnson’s analyses seriously. The only “experts” that I listen to are the coaches since they know what it takes to prepare and motivate professional athletes to win at the highest level. Just because you were a great player doesn’t mean you would be a great coach.
For example, Magic Johnson, arguably the greatest b-ball player ever; couldn’t handle being a player-coach. Phil Jackson, on the other hand, who played only during garbage time when he was with the Knicks is concerned to be the greatest professional sports coach ever. Emmitt Smith was a great Running Back and a even better dance ;-), but the man sucked at being an analyst. My point is that just because you might be a great player, doesn’t mean you know how to talk about and/or coach your respective sport.
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by KMR24 on Jul 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
theres only one nfl player that comes to mind that could be a great coordinator or coach.
Peyton Manning.
nuff said
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
Enter Fili Moala. Thank you Polian
by skywalker on Jul 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Said
I actually enjoy watching the NFL network, in terms of the combine, draft analysis, etc., and am grateful for the games it broadcast, both current and classic, but the analysis is such garbage, I can’t bare to stay tuned in for long. Guys like Woodson, Dukes, Deion, etc., make me want to punch them in the face for their stupidity and how they are completely incapable of making one rational thought. What analysts should do is inform the fans by providing them with credible, non-biased, insight. But instead, they get former pro bowlers or former players with big personalities to analyze the league, but why? Because we used to watch them ten/fifteen years ago? Who f***ing cares? I also prefer CBS with Brown, Marino, Cowher, and Sharpe (although that’s mainly because CBS is generally what channel the Colts play on), and rarely am dumbstruck by anything said.
Ex-football greats do not equal great analysts. Period. Once these networks figure this simple, obvious fact out, the better off all fans will be. It’s all about ratings to the network big wigs, though, unfortunately, rather than intelligence and professionalism. So it remains unlikely we will see any improvement on this front.
by npb1985 on Jul 18, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nfl network Colts Haters
It is just ridiculous to see this network so blatantly down on Peyton and The Colts. Yet, he who laughs last, laughs best. Go Colts!!
by baller3 on Jul 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NFL Network is mostly good
The real people that they have to host NFL Total Access (Eisen, Faulk, Sapp, Sanders) are all pretty knowledgable, have engaging personalities, and do their homework. I actually like the guy they have to replace Schefter (I don’t know his name), and Mike Lombardi is usually quite insightful, unless he is talking about the Pats or Bill Belichick.
They lose me when they trot out a sideline reporter and a washed-up no-name NFL player/idiot in Wilcots and Dukes. When they have actual NFL people like Lombardi, and Mayock (who I like much more than either Kiper or McShay), it can be enjoyable.
by dmstorm22 on Jul 18, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've always liked Marshall Faulk as
one of the NFL Total Access guys. He was also really good as a color announcer in a Thrusday night football game a couple of years ago.
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by Cassieper on Jul 19, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faulk is an exception
Great player, great on TV. Very smart and coherent.
by slash196 on Jul 19, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this post 100%
I once said on this blog that my secret wish was to part of NFL network, but as time goes by, I’ve decided they are a bunch of Ego driven morons. With the exception of Rich Eisen. He’s funny and doesn’t knock the Colts. I did see though that one of their personalities, named Wyche, put Peyton over Brady on his list of the top 10 QB’s ever to play the game.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Jul 19, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
3k from TurfShowTimes here. It seems Shoe has gone insulting the infallible traditional media again. When will you learn, Shoe? When will you ever learn?!
Anyway, I wonder why isn’t NFL Matchup on ESPN more. Sure, Jaws & Hoge drop some fluff in there from time to time, but there’s also tons of quality analysis. I’d love it if ESPN got this show on half as much as NFL Live.
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by 3k on Jul 21, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have it on ESPN every Sunday during the season,
but have banished it to a really early time like 5:30 AM.
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by Cassieper on Jul 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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