ESPN continues it own wonderful brand of selective "journalism": No mention of Ben Roethlisberger harassment case
by Brad Wells on Jul 21, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
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PrintAs you may or may not know, Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger has been sued for sexual harassment. A casino employee claims in the suit that Roethlisberger asked her to his room to "fix her TV." He then allegedly assaulted her and forced her to have sex with him. Now, according to the link, there have been no criminal charges filed. But, despite no charges, when a Super Bowl winning QB is sued for (essentially) raping someone, that's news. I can guarantee you if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had been sued for something similar, it would be serious news.
However, despite this rather important news story, ESPN has made absolutely no mention of it on the their website, on ESPN News, or on Sports Center. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Like Vanilla Ice's career, it seems it isn't worth discussing.
Perhaps their reasons for not mentioning the story has to do with the lack of criminal charges. No one has been arrested; no one convicted of anything. It is, essentially, a she said, he said case.
It's a pathetic reason, but at least it is something.
Now, I'd like you to think back with me. Think back to another incident that involved another high profile NFL player last year at (roughly) the same time. Like this Ben Roethlisberger case, this other case had no criminal charges filed. No one was convicted. It was, in essence, a he said, he said case.
However, the main difference between that case and Roethlisberger's case is ESPN was all over last year's incident, covering every rumor, lie, suggestion, and insinuation. Can you you recall what case I'm talking about?
That's right: The old Marvin Harrison is a gun totting maniac case, where ESPN and their troop of hacks, led by the Pillsbury Doughboy of Sports Reporting (Sal Paolantonio), ran Marvin's name and reputation through the mud.
In the end, the Philadelphia D.A.'s office did not pursue the case due to lack of evidence. During the entire evidence gathering process, Marvin Harrsion was never a suspect in the shooting. Even members of the Philly press thought the story was blown way out of proportion. Heck, the Philly D.A. even went so far as to verbally jab the over-zealous Paolantonio at her press conference, suggesting Sal Pal was disappointed Marvin Harrison wasn't arrested and in handcuffs somewhere. Hell, months after the case was dropped, ESPN continued running hit pieces on Marvin, desperately trying to keep the dead story breathing.
Two essentially identical cases. Two completely different decisions by the "Worldwide Leader" to cover the story.
Now, the only difference I can see between both stories is Ben Roethlisberger is a white NFL quarterback from a nice, small town in Ohio while Marvin Harrison is a black NFL wide receiver from inner city Philadelphia.
I leave it to you to determine why ESPN has ignored Ben's supposed romp with a casino employee but was flies on sh*t with the Marvin non-story.
[UPDATE: It is now 12:26pm Eastern, and ESPN still doesn't have the story up on their site. Yahoo! Sports, which gets more hits than ESPN.com, does. Unbelievable. --bbs]
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I hate to say it
but I think it has something to do with race. Pacman Jones really ruined it for all black athletes. If one of them screws up in any kind of way, whether its a robbery or a speeding ticket, then it must be true and shown on ESPN.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
oh shut up about ESPN already. Can’t you find something better to write about then complaining about other writers?
And two other things
1. Who says the story won’t be on their site later?
2. Unlike the Marvin Harrison case where it was determined that it was his gun for a fact, this case has no evidence other than a “she said”. Shouldn’t we wait to see if he’s innocent or not before making a big deal out of it?
ESPN lives for this stuff
1. IMO, this would’ve been breaking news if the player was black.
The Media nowadays doesn’t care about if the report is correct, but who delievers it first.
2. Marvin’s case was also “he said, he said”.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
Considering how it was determined by the police that the gun in fact did belong to him and was found in his house iirc, it’s far from being a “he said” case.
Seeing as how it was his gun, he does have some responsibility in what happened as you are expected to take care of your weapons
ESPN was the first national outlet on the Harrison story
Philly Radio, then ESPN.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/5/2/471799/marvin-harrison-accused-of
Now they are dragging their feet behind the rest of the outlets.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The gun was supposedly found in his car wash or auto shop
ESPN constantly switched between the two locations.
Just because the gun is in his name, doesn’t mean he used it on that idiot. Yes, I do believe Marvin is responsible for his weapons, but for what we know, the case is closed. You seem to forget that the so-called “victim” was a convicted felon who regularly caused problems at Marvin’s bar. He’s the one who kept switching his story about the shooting, so yes, I considered that “he said, he said”.
Since your so hung up on evidence, what the employee kept her clothing that Roethlisberger might had touched or got his “DNA” on? Would you considered that as Evidence? What about if the employee went to the hospital to have a sexual assault examination done and it provide that she had sex? Still not enough evidence for you?
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
that's the point
it was marvin’s gun and there was a related incident at marvin’s bar. therefore, it was a story about marvin.
In this case, there is no evidence of anything, so far. And it’s awfully suspicious to go for the civil suit when there was no criminal investigation (as far as I know). A criminal report would go a long way towards making this story credible.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
True, but my point is
why does ESPN care about the credibility now? They allowed that Sal Pal dude to ruin Marv’s name, but not one mention Ben’s incident? Like Tim55 said, it’s a double standard.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
No I mean I mostly agree
Once it was clear that Marvin wasn’t a suspect, they should have killed the story. But at the very beginning, there was evidence of direct ties to the incident instead of a (probably) baseless lawsuit.
I guess I just don’t think ESPN needs to cover every time someone sues an athlete since it often is just a scheme to get money. For my tastes, they do it too much as it is. Criminal stuff is of a different breed in my book.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Why would a double standard not exist in the NFL.
When it exists in every fibre of American culture?
I was gonna say Kobe
That was like, OJ part 2, and this is pretty much an identical case.
I never considered Kobe's case as OJ part deux
since Kobe was accuse of rape; and OJ, double murder. Ben’s case is more like Kobe’s.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
yeah
an alleged rape that might have been consensual is a bit different than a double murder. well, a LOT different.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
That's what I meant
In terms of media coverage, Kobe was comparable to OJ, and this case is EXACTLY like Kobe’s. Actually, it’s worse, because the person in question is an EMPLOYEE.
Based on media coverage
you’re absolutely right.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
When..
has the MSM ever “learned a lesson?”
right right
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Amen
ESPN is nothing more than a hype machine, and their refusal to even put up the AP story regarding this shows their bias.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meh
This is a civil suit for an incident that as far as I know involved no criminal report, investigation, etc. It just looks like she’s trying to get some money out of it. I would be surprised if any such incident even occurred.
Marv’s story involved someone actually getting shot, a criminal investigation, etc. Clearly something happened there.
Look, I agree that their coverage of Marvin’s issue was horrendous but at least there was a criminal investigation involving an NFL player. Even though he didn’t do it, it involved his gun and his bar. Stupid story, but I can see why it’s reported. In this case, there is nothing other than a civil suit. She’s probably assuming he’d rather just settle the case and she’ll get a little money out of it. But there’s literally no other information on this yet. In fact, Florio was one of the first guys to talk about this and he is of course hated by us for how he covered Marvin, FWIW.
In my opinion, they should have stopped the Marvin coverage as soon as it was clear that no charges would be pressed. And this story doesn’t need to be covered until something credible comes out.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jul 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
More a comment on the allegation than the non-coverage by ESPN
But I am bummed that this assault by Roethlisberger is even a possibility. He’s not the most charismatic QB, but also didn’t seem like the kind who would get into this type of situation. Thank goodness we have the QB we do.
How can you not love a team that does this?
i get the feeling it's not even a possibility
or else there would have been at least an inkling of a criminal investigation prior to the lawsuit
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Well,
Rothlisburger doing this is no surprise. He’s a nasty drunk and it is known he has no respect for women.
And Manning has his own past that is in the same ballpark as this.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
right, because Peyton was accused of rape
that’s exactly what happened.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I said ballpark.
You know the deal. We don’t need to rehash it. But if you want……. okay.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I wasn't aware that rape and a mean inappropriate practical joke were in the same ballpark
That must be the Petco Park of morality.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You think
Manning sitting on a woman’s face against her will with his naked anus and testicles while holding her down is a practical joke?
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
A really fucked up one, yeah
I don’t think it’s on the same plane as rape.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and I think it's important to point out
that the Mannings say it was just a mooning, and Ben says he didn’t rape anyone. So neither guy can be condemned yet no matter how you feel about where their alleged actions ranks.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
what Manning was accused of was not as bad as rape. But it is sexual assault or close to it.
When you pay people off, twice, most folks will see it as an admission of guilt.
But, that’s over. We are talking about Rottenburger. I only mentioned this because Lovin said “Thank goodness we have the QB we do.”. That was a bit more than I could take. Sorry.
But I’m willing to drop it if you are, and get back to crucifying BR.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
two things
1st settlement to her was from the university for multiple instances of sexual harassment by many athletes (and her complaint against Manningthrough the university calls it a mooning, nothing close to sitting on her head naked)
2nd, the suit was for defamation in a book written by Peyton, Archie and a Professional Writer that talked about the incident. It was confidentially settled between the 3 authors, the publisher and her. Who knows what the terms were, or if Peyton even paid her a cent.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I see you refuse to drop it, so.....
“Court documents raise questions about Manning’s veracity. In denying Manning’s request for dismissal, Polk County Circuit Judge Harvey A. Kornstein wrote, in part: “Even if the plaintiff is a public figure, the evidence of record contains sufficient evidence to satisfy the court that a genuine issue of material fact exists that would allow a jury to find, by clear and convincing evidence, the existence of actual malice of the part of the defendants.”
“Specifically, there is evidence of record, substantial enough to suggest that the defendants knew that the passages in question were false, or acted in reckless disregard of their falsity. There is evidence of record to suggest that there were obvious reasons to doubt the veracity of Peyton Manning’s account of the incident in question. The court further finds that there is sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendants entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the passages in this case.” (USA Today)
The judge is calling Manning a LIAR. He was toast in the book case. Of course he paid her.
As far as the “mooning” …….
" In a court filing, her lawyer wrote that she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when “entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright’s head and face.”
As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: “It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”
The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning. Written in December 2002, the letter reads, in part: "Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. …
“She was minding her own business when your book came out. Peyton, the way I see it, at this point, you are going to take a hit either way, if you settle out of court or if it goes to court. You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. … Your celebrity doesn’t mean you can treat folks that way. … Do the right thing here.”" (USA Today)
He stuck his ass and balls in her face, period. So stop trying to cover for his despicable act.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
The judge's statements are saying there's enough to bring it to trial
it’s not a ruling against Manning and the language makes it clear he’s not saying that Manning is lying, but that there’s enough evidence that it would be possible for a jury to find he was.
Her original complaint is posted and she said mooning. She’s the one with a different story. She said one thing happened when complaining about harassment to the Uni, and another when seeking money from the Mannings.
A major point of the defamation case was him saying she had a “vulgar mouth” and it possibly costing her a job. Even if there was a significant settlement (which you have no evidence for) it’s not proof her account was right.
He stuck his ass and balls in her face, period. So stop trying to cover for his despicable act.
You have no proof for your statement. Even your star witness talking about Manning’s lack of grace towards her has his comment introduced as talking about a mooning. It’s Peyton and her original statement against her while suing for $$$.
Don’t accuse players of criminal acts or posters of lying when you don’t have any proof, or you are taking some time off from the blog.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll explain
The judge said “there were obvious reasons to doubt the veracity of Peyton Manning’s account”
veracity -
1 : devotion to the truth : truthfulness 2 : power of conveying or perceiving truth 3 : conformity with truth or fact : accuracy 4 : something true
He is EXACTLY saying Manning is apparently lying.
He is not merely saying there is evidence. He is saying there is proof. The only question that remained is what a jury would say.
As far as Manning’s FRIEND’s letter…..
Manning stated that he didn’t think she was even able to see the “mooning”. Obviously he was lying because his friends letter states she was examining him.
Here’s the link.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/colts/2003-11-04-manning-suit_x.htm
She NEVER said mooning. Another trainer coined that phrase in an attempt to mask the real incident.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think
“pullled down his pants and exposed himself to me”
means sat naked on my head
instead of mooned
?
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
She didn't say that...
she said,
“entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright’s head and face.”
As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: "It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. …
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
not in the initial report that I linked and was talking about
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the second story she told about it
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the link again
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/manning1.html
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What is that?
An excerpt from the University report?
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
with her reporting that he "pulled down his pants and exposed himself"
contradicting her later story.
Are you just reading the links I posted now. Because that would explain a lot, but not really reflect much better on you.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I can look at a dictionary too
Doubt To be undecided or skeptical about, To tend to disbelieve, To regard as unlikely: I doubt that we’ll arrive on time.
I doubt you are thinking about this story rationally, doesn’t mean I’m calling you irrational on this story. It means somewhere between I’m uncertain and I’m thinking it loudly.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Judge
said he doubted Manning’s truthfulness.
You should have been Peyton’s lawyer. You could wiggle out of every little tiny loophole.
It is obvious you will try to spin this to make your boy look as good as possible.
Myself, on the other hand, see it for what it is.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he said there were reasons to doubt
you are the one dropping words out of the quotes to make your case.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just
PROVED to you Manning lied about the incident.
The letter from his friend the runner is proof that Manning lied.
The judge is saying there are reasons to doubt all of Manning’s statements because he was proven a liar.
This is a slam dunk and you’re playing games with words to try to cover your boy.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof, I don't think that word means what you think it does
Everything you’ve put forward to support her second statement is also consistent with a mooning, some unkind words in the book and her changing her story when Manning’s cash was on the table.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Slam Dunk
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
The letter from Malcolm Saxon clearly shows Manning lied when he said he thought she wasn’t there.
“The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning.”
""Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. …"
“You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened.”
Manning Busted!
Refute that.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
in the book he says he wasn't mooning her
Manning claimed in his book that, while in the training room, in response to a track athlete who made a remark, Manning dropped his shorts to moon the athlete. “I did it thinking the trainer wasn’t where she would see. … Even when she did, it seemed like something she’d have laughed at, considering the environment, or shrugged off as harmless. Crude maybe, but harmless.”
That’s the start of the section you are citing. Are you not reading the whole thing or being intentionally dishonest?
Again, it’s just as consistent with him mooning the trainer as sitting on her. You haven’t proved anything. To claim certainty either way being is dishonest or irrational.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He thought
she wouldn’t see it? She was EXAMINING him according to the eyewitness Saxon.
I have proven Manning was lying when he said he meant the “mooning” for Saxon.
So, we know Manning is a liar.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and we know that she told two accounts of the events as well
it’s flat out ridiculous to claim to know what happened either way. Provide some real evidence (that isn’t just as consistent with mooning), drop it, or it’ll be dropped for you
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ni again.
You are offering the report of what the university said she said. They are hardly an unbiased party in this. Throw this in the trash.
I am offering excerpts from the court record including the letter of an eyewitness that shows Manning to have lied about the incident.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but it doesn't say what he did
it says he didn’t attempt to moon the witness. Nothing more.
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and the Judge statement doesn't say anything about the truth of the mooning story
it says there’s reason to doubt the account in the book, which I don’t question, but it wasn’t even addressing the truth of his second account vs her second account. Just that Peyton’s first account was untrue (worth noting that one of her two accounts has to be untrue as well).
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The first account
isn’t an account. It’s what the university says. Circular file that. You might as well be quoting what Manning said about it.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
so you think the university lied in it's report
changing HER STATEMENT in the report. Not dismissing the statement as uncreditable. Putting out a report that had her statement altered?
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by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
they reported some of what she said.
You don’t give somebody $300K because somebody accidentally mooned them. In any case they could not have been found negligent. They were not responsible for Manning’s behavior.
Why do you think they paid her?
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've posted twice already that the suit was for numerous incidents with many athletes and pointed out the dishonesty in saying the case show Manning did anything
You get some time off for dishonesty.
n 1997, she agreed to a $300,000 settlement with the university over 33 alleged instances of sexual harassment surrounding her job in the athletic department, and her complaint included the encounter with Manning. Manning was not personally accused of sexual harassment
Hit me or another mod up in a few days if you want to try again.
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by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't even go there again.
Really. Stop.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Jul 21, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if I hit a nerve. I understand your concerns.
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"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Believe me, it isn't that.
And I think that most of the time you are pretty funny. But, to come over to a Colts’ site and repeatedly trying to stir the pot is getting old. You’ve brought this up a few times. Let it go. And, please see Shake’s response above.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a cotton pickin' minute.
Lovinblue said, “Thank goodness we have the QB we do.” in his dismay about this alleged Rothlisburger nastiness.
I just couldn’t stand by and let that pass in this context. I made ONE statement about it and that was to be it. But you guys are keeping it going, not me.
When I have brought this up it is in response to things like that quote or entire threads about how much of a jerk Brady is. People who live in glass houses…..
But the Rothlisburger incident is another story on another level. I’m content to talk about that if you guys want. Just don’t bring up how Peyton is a saint and we should be okay.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
No one's a saint.
But I don’t get how you can use a mooning incident in college over a decade ago in a guy’s life as a basis to judge someone. Anyways, on to the topic. I think Ben is innocent until proven guilty no matter how he is as a person (to me, I’ve always believed him to be a good guy).
by ihateshrimp on Jul 21, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It was
MUCH more than a mooning incident. Sorry to burst you’re bubble.
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by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and you base that on uncritically accepting the statements of someone trying to win $$$ in a suit
telling a story against her complaint to the university.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I'm sure
the university report is a joke. Yeah, they’re going to lay the lumber on their star athlete. Hell, they named the street there after him!
I give you quotes from a court of law and you offer me the university report? The same university that gave her $300K. C’mon shake, put something on the table here.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The judge was suppose to rule whether there was enough reason for doubt for the case to go forward
he said there was enough reason to doubt Peyton’s side that the case could go forward. It takes ridiculously selective reading to take it as a pronouncement of Peyton’s guilt.
And pointing to the uni’s settlement as proof of your side is flat out dishonest. I pointed out hours ago that the suit included many other incidents with many other athletes.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are claiming the university altered the complaint she made in the report?
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm claiming
they selectively chose parts of what she said for the report.
They are correct that she said that. They were under no obligation to say everything she may have said.
How can you possibly rely on the report of the university? They are on Manning’s side in this.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
who's side is she on when she said he sat on her?
this is he said, she said on the question of mooning or sitting, and if you don’t post something that actually addresses that point in your next post on this thread you are getting the night off from the site.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take the night off anyway.
Be well.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Youre not bursting much.
The whole topic doesn’t really bother me. I just don’t see much into the incident.
by ihateshrimp on Jul 21, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The incident
is despicable if not criminal behavior. But, if it doesn’t bother you…. well, I guess that says something about you.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're pretty quick to insult for someone who called for a ban when someone called him a jerk at the Steelers site.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Who did I insult?
BR? But he doesn’t post here.
I drew no conclusion about the poster. I said his stance said something about him. That’s not an insult.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Your statements throughout this thread say something about your rationality and honesty
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if you're right...
and there’s no proof whatsoever that you are, collegiate face-sitting is not in the same ballpark, league, or sport as sexual assault and rape.
It’s certainly inappropriate behavior, and something that should be punished if it wasn’t welcome, but it’s not that big a deal. If he had a history of harassing this girl and truly showed himself to be a jerk or womanizer, that’d be one thing, but in isolation it’s nothing more or less than what most college kids have been through. Stop trying to take some moral high ground here by pulling up an unconfirmed incident when your own QB has done some shady shit himself. Ditching the pregnant girlfriend is just as mentally damaging, albeit in different ways, as ten seconds of crack in the face.
95% of girls would be proud to have gotten the star QB’s balls in their face anyway. I’ve never met a female sports team trainer that wasn’t doing her best to get noticed by the players.
lol
ok. Funny that all of this “judging” (both Roth and P Money) and yet, you have a quote from whom? CALIGULA?! That’s funny!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Otherwise known as
the crazy Roman emperor who tried to make his horse a Senator.
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This would probably happen to me if I ever won anything.
He does it at BTSC too…..
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are lucky!
BabeParilli has commented on this blog 221 times! He’s only commented on yours 41 times. But, then again, he’s only commented on his own site 83 times, which leads me to believe, as I’ve said before, he’s a closet Colts fan and possibly has a man-crush on Peyton Manning.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol thank god
I can barely stand his 40 some posts he has made on BTSC. Terrible, extremely biased comments with no facts or knowledge to back them up. He apparently has a lot of “reliable sources” that he cannot divulge. In other words, he is talking to the walls and they are telling him what he wants to hear.
by John Stephens on Jul 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You can have crazy opinions that no one else agrees with
but you can’t have your own set of facts. That’s what got him the boot.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong.
It’s one thing to be like I do not like Ben Roethlisberger. Ok. That’s fair.
It is another thing to say I do not like Ben Roethlisberger because he raped this woman and he has a history of being disrespectful to women and I know all of this because of sources I cannot tell you about. Errrm…what?
by John Stephens on Jul 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a crazy opinion...
Tom Brady is totally lame.
And here is the proof:
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 22, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not crazy at all.
In fact, very sane.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Alot of the Pats' fans on PatsPulpit
are getting sick of him as well.
That says something.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
from deadspin on why ESPN isn't reporting it
UPDATE: PFT’s Mike Florio says that ESPN “issued a ‘do not report’ memo to all of its outlets and reporters” instructing them not to discuss the Roethlisberger case, but did not provide explanation or justification for the order. They pulled a similar move last year on a story they believed not to be true, but that is not the case this time.
However, an ESPN source tells Deadspin that it’s a previously established company policy to not report on civil cases involving athletes. Presumably this means that were it tied to a criminal case (like the Zendejas situation) or there were other extenuating circumstances, it might become “news,” but they would otherwise stay out of it.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
splitting hairs
ESPN can rationalize it all they want to, but it amounts to the same thing – Roethlisberger got special treatment. Period.
Keep the faith!
Agreed.
I wonder why, though? I’m befuddled on this one. Is ESPN really that much in love with him? I thought they were true to Brady – =-) if either Tom or Peyton pulled anything close to this I’d bet money that ESPN would be all over it.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
About the Marvin incident,
I wonder if the reason ESPN was all over the marvin story is because of the way Tony Dungy always talked about winning with the right kind of guys? He always talked about how great the Colts character was. And the media love it when someone gets knocked down a peg.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
ESPN jumped all over that non-incident involving Randy Moss back in January, 2008
Moss’s ‘friend’ confessed that her lawyer convinced her to press charges against him within weeks of the Super Bowl just to pressure him into a settlement, but Moss knew he didn’t do anything wrong and didn’t give in.
ESPN didn’t give Randy the benefit of being innocent before proven guilty, in fact they used it as an excuse to rehash his past. Female writers like ESPN’s Jemele Hill also took advantage of the alleged incident, using it as a basis for an article against violence by atheletes against women.
Keep the faith!
you are absolutely right
I forgot about that one. I really can’t believe ESPN is refusing to acknowledge this story.
That bothered me then, too.
ESPN wronged Moss there, IMO.
by coltsfanawalt on Jul 22, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to believe this guy
could do such a thing. He looks so harmless. I’m sure you would all trust him with your daughter alone.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I find pics like this all the time when looking for links
and I show them to my daughter and her friends to warn them NOT to be these girls. Yeah, Ben definitely looks like a champion in that pic.
Keep the faith!
I'm sure we all have some unflattering pictures of ourselves out there somewhere
Me and my buddies just know better not to share them on-line and beyond our circle of friends.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Rottenburger
doing this is no surprise to me. Over the years I have made many posts about what he is like, about how he treats women. The only surprise to me is that somebody hasn’t accused him of this sooner. People who have seen him party have said he treats women like garbage. They also say he is a nasty nasty drunk.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
"doing this?"
He did it? How on earth do we know that?
I don’t believe these charges for a second. I believe he’s probably a low class womanizer and I know he’s an idiot, but there are no criminal charges and probably won’t be. The woman is well documented to be completely insane and full of shit. I would bet that this goes nowhere.
I did like the implication in the statement though that even if he was a rapist, he’d rape someone much hotter. That cracked me up.
I have actually heard the exact opposite, that he’s a life of the party drunk. Given my expertise in the field of drinking, there’s a good chance he has been both. Everyone has good and bad benders, and if you’re an NFL QB your bad ones will be noticed and the good ones ignored.
Let’s wait for the facts before we start assuming that this woman is right to sue him.
I think Ben has offended him personally somehow
this is Babe’s fanpost on the Pats site on the story
The Pittsburgh Steelers Ben Rothlisburger has been accused of rape. I’m not surprised one bit. I have spoken in posts in the past about his lack of respect for women and that he is a nasty drunk. Some of this kind of stuff has been in local Pittsburgh papers and I have heard a few anecdotal things as well. I suspect he has raped before. I’d bet my last dollar he did it.
I guess Goodell may have to come down hard on this monstrosity if this is true. What say you Pat’s Nation?
Posted two hours after someone on the site had already covered the story evenhandedly.
and here’s the poll attached to BabeParilli’s post
Babe, show me on this Tom Brady fathead where Big Ben touched you.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he touched the fathead itself
and that’s why he’s so offended
How can you not love a team that does this?
Maybe
you find all this stuff funny. I don’t. I find the abuse of women despicable.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I find treating an accusation as proof funny
like
HAHA laugh at the homer.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can
have an opinion. If my opinion is that he is guilty…. oh well. My opinion doesn’t come with a consequence for him so it’s okay that I have it at this point.
If you find that funny, I’m glad I could bring some joy into your life.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ok so you get it
I’m not making fun of rape. I’m making fun of your opinion.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem with that. I make fun of yours all the time.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 21, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My opinion
Is that you are guilty of rape. And murder too. I have as much proof as you do about Roethlisberger. But my opinion doesn’t come with a consequence for you, so it’s OK that I have it at this point.
Perhaps you can see why an unfounded, unsupported opinion is not worthy of discussion on a blog? No? Are you Tommasse?
by ctnyc on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There is nothing funny about rape.
Your comment about raping somebody hotter is offensive. I’m sure if we were talking about your mother, sister or daughter it wouldn’t be so funny to you.
I was fully expecting something like this to come out sooner or later because somebody I find very believable says he knows people who partied with Rottenburger and he treats women like crap, and that’s in front of other people. Obviously, there is the potential for much worse when he is alone with them.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Someone who I know who knows someone else’s sister’s best friend’s cousin told me he was a jerk too. Other people I know who work in high positions in the NFL, as well as who went to college with him, have told me otherwise. Since I haven’t actually met him or watched him deal with women, however, I’m not going to judge him one way or the other. See, I’m rational and objective.
Everyone who has ever gotten drunk in public has less than savory stories that could be told about them, good person or bad. You’re letting hearsay influence your opinion about a case whose facts are completely unclear at this point. All we know is that there haven’t been any criminal charges filed in the YEAR since this happened, and that he’s denying it. That is ALL we know. We don’t know if this woman is truly nuts, as is claimed, we don’t know if Ben is universally a dick to women, as is claimed, and we sure as shit don’t know if he raped her. To come right out and accuse him from afar is ridiculous.
It wasn’t my comment, but if it offended you, good. You deserve to have a lot of much more offensive things said to you.
That subject line and first paragraph
are the first sensible things you’ve said on this blog since you started posting trolling here.
I’m not saying the 2nd para is b.s., but I don’t know either way so will refrain from speculation.
Shake, when can we expect him back from his timeout?
How can you not love a team that does this?
Once this thread is dead and buried I'll let him back if he e-mails me
no idea what BBS’ criteria would be if Babe wants to go that route.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On the subject of BabeParilli...
Although at times I have found his adversarial ranting quite humorous, in this instance I believe his “time-out” to be justified. The guy has stepped close to, or over the line more than a few times in the past and has been spared the axe. While usually the master of bending the site rules just to the point of breaking them, this time he may have taken it too far…
+1 on the smack-down.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 22, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah
And while he’s not here to defend himself, I’d like to take this opportunity to say… Bite me, you Pats-lovin’ crabber!
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 22, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
good one.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What amazes me
is how some of these young girls let guys treat them these days. It is horrible. They things they allow guys to say to them. The things they allow them to do. The world is going to hell in a hand-basket ;).
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Kind of a ridiculous coincidence....
PFT is now reporting that Dennis Dixon, Marvin’s accuser, was shot 7 times today.
Of course, he manages to mention BBS’s comparison between Marvin and Ben (good) while still hinting that it’s worth checking into Marvin’s alibi (dickish). Can’t let a good chance to take a shot at the Colts pass by when the opportunity presents itself…
link
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/072109_Man_Critical_After_Shooting
Shouldn’t it say “former” before “Indianapolis Colts star”?
Can’t let a good chance to take a shot at the Colts pass by when the opportunity presents itself…
That’s why I stopped reading him. If I can’t get a Colts story without a dig at them included I’ll wait the extra time for legit sources to confirm or for someone to mention whatever rumor PFT is floating.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It is now 7:30
I broke my vow to not go to ESPN.com anymore just to check and……nothing.
I have nothing against Ben and am inclined to believe he is innocent of rape (although I did hear he is a major creeper, according to a friend of mine who was at UM Ohio with him, so maybe he just creeped her out). But the fact that they dare not report on this and had no problem completely driving Marvin’s good name into the dirt just proves what a biased network they are. That is just shameful.
ESPN released a DO NOT REPORT order on the story.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/7/21/956476/espn-continues-it-own-wonderful#18464440
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 21, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just sent an email to the ESPN ombudsman about this,
questioning the special treatment and kid glove handling afforded to Ben Rothlisberger. The ‘evidence’ against both Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss was flimsy at best, yet ESPN chose to run with those stories. Interesting. If Le Anne Schreiber receives enough emails on this topic, she’ll respond on the website.
Keep the faith!
It's not Schreiber anymore
There’s a new ombudsman in town. He hasn’t written anything yet.
And even when he does, nobody will even notice or read it. The ombudsman is completely buried on their new site anyway.
They still list Schreiber on site
but thanks for the heads up. It seemed like the thing to do anyway. They’ve addressed issues in the past, but you’re right – by the time the issue gets acknowledged, it’s usually too little too late and buried somewhere. Oh well.
Keep the faith!
(off topic)
BBS, are you going to be doing a podcast tomorrow? I always like to know a day or so ahead of time so that I don’t miss it.
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This would probably happen to me if I ever won anything.
You betcha!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So Peyton wasn't a saint in college.
He’s a man isn’t he? How they behave while at college is not a true reflection of how they’ll be as grown men. Peyton is the man, now.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
good take but might i suggest that perhaps
they’re not running with this because they realize that they made a mistake last year? I mean, you ask for them not to do such a thing, and now they are not.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
maybe
They haven’t really ever demonstrated that they deserve that kind of confidence in their intentions. They also issued a Do Not Report last year when Favre gave Packer advice to Detroit. They pretty clearly favor certain teams and players. In this case I’m not convinced it’s a racial thing so much as I think they just have some favored golden boy QBs.
It’s also entirely likely they’re trying to kiss Pittsburgh’s ass after the deliberately inconvenient timing of their Fish report about the team doctor and HGH prescriptions a while back. Wouldn’t surprise me if they had their access threatened by someone in the organization… which would’ve been a perfectly logical reaction.
They’ll hide behind the fact that they don’t want to give credence to civil suits without criminal complaints, but I’m sure someone with some time could probably dig up several recent examples of when this rule wasn’t applied.
Browns fan here who respects your continued assault on ESPN.
As I just heard on the Dan Patrick radio show, apparently ESPN picks and chooses which civil lawsuits they report on.
So the intent to file a civil lawsuit on a Lakers bench player is more important than an actual civil lawsuit filed against one of the network’s golden boy players.
You are reading my signature.
Fox News reported this,
This morning, they got 2 lawyers and Megyn Kelly(SO HOT) was a lawyer and she played the judge, they brought out some good points to the story. Including, why didnt she go to the cops (security and casino laughed at her, supposedly trying to shut her up), but they also pointed out her story was very explicit, that she was very detailed. But once again, she didnt go to the cops first, and she wants money, $400K…
Hey Espn, you are so lucky Fox doesnt give two shits about sports reporting on their cable/sat stations, they would bury you, no-one would watch your monopoly on sports reporting cuz anymore becauz anyone who tried it would be better than ya’ll!!!
the only reason ESPN isn't covering it
is because they are too busy being the Tom Brady Fan Club. ESPN is a joke. They basically have already declared the Patriots as Super Bowl Champions for the season that hasn’t even started yet.
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 22, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
Just checked again
Yep – still happy we have the QB we do
How can you not love a team that does this?
LOL
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 23, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That should be in your sig,
with how much you keep saying that.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This would probably happen to me if I ever won anything.
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