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KC Joyner is pretentious "blogger," hates Peyton Manning

I don't normally make a habit of reading the NY Times "blog" about sports, called The Fifth Down, because it kind of... well, it kind of sucks, to be bluntly honest with you. One of the reasons it sucks is because Fifth Down uses "football scientist" KC Joyner as a contributor. I personally cannot think of a more pretentious title than "Football Scientist." I almost thought it was a tongue-in-cheek joke, but since both the NY Times and their blog are completely and utterly humorless, I have to conclude that Joyner thinks it makes him sound important, or something. If I can offer a comparison, you can title yourself Sanitary Engineer, but that doesn't change the fact that you're cleaning toilets.

And calling a silly fool like Joyner a "scientist" is like adding PhD after "Bozo T. Clown."

Joyner's most recent column at Fifth Down is even more enjoyable than his usual nonsense (he used to write articles for ESPN). Rather than write a new article about something relevant and interesting as we get ready for training camps to open, Joyner re-posts an article he wrote two years ago and asks his readers to answer the seemingly burning question Why Does The Peyton Manning Fan Club Have Membership Issues?

Joyner lists ten reasons why Peyton Manning isn't more revered, most of which are nothing tangible and (in some cases) simply not credible. When you read them you cannot help but wonder if Joyner once caught Manning sleeping with his sister in college, or something. The knocks are the kind of typical crap we often hear from drunken Patriots fans: His "gestures" too much at the line-of-scrimmage; he "pouts"; does too many commercials; he isn't physical; plays indoors, etc. Again, if most of this stuff sounds old, it is! I'm almost shocked Joyner didn't include "Hasn't won a big game." He might as well have.

Here's my favorite quote from Joyner, a man who refers to himself as (once again) a "football scientist":

7. His intellectual style. I make my living by reviewing stats and other metrics, so I’m all for this approach, but even I don’t want to make the game quite as intellectual as Manning seems to want to at times.

Seriously, people pay this guy good money to write this stuff. Or, in Joyner's case, they pay him good money to re-post old stuff.

In other news, Peyton Manning was recently rated as the #3 quarterback of all time in the NFL, ahead of Brett Favre (who Joyner claims is "just as successful as Manning over the years.") Maybe someone should pass that link on to Mr. Football, PhD.

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Small correction

s/b “pretentious” in your title ;-)

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

spelling pretentious right

is pretentious

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

fixed

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the article/nonsense.

This Joyner person sounds like a little girl, trying to convince people of something that is so lame even she doesn’t really believe it. It’s crap on a stick.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Jul 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh.

I read this a couple of days ago…its stoopid, Joyner’s an idiot and the sky is blue.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Almost forgot...

what I found interesting were the comments. 99% of them were questioning this “article” and favorable to Peyton – from Colts’ fans and non Colts’ fans alike. There are some pretty good comments in there.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bleacher Report has a nice rebuttal on the above mentioned article.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Jul 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Off topic

but is there going to be a podcast tonight? I noticed that wednesday nights are the trend for doing them.

by metal_militia on Jul 22, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I asked yesterday in a previous thread

and haven’t gotten a response yet. So, I’d say no, but check back in later to make sure.

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by Cassieper on Jul 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and in regardes to this article

Who the hell questions intelligence in the game of football, especially at the QB position?

by metal_militia on Jul 22, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

A stupid idiot who's grasping at straws.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Jul 22, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

About Peytons Toughness

8. His lack of physicality. Manning has already started more consecutive games than just about anyone in NFL history and there is a good chance he will end up breaking Favre’s quarterback record in this category. Despite this, he still isn’t seen as a tough guy. This is partly because he has an offensive system that is designed to protect him. He rarely takes any hits due to this, though he is also helped by his ability to get rid of the ball quickly. Not taking hits does help him survive physically but it doesn’t do much for his reputation.

Having superior field vision and the ability to release the ball quicker than pass rushers can get to you makes you less tough? The first sentence in this paragraph completely foil’s his number 8 reason for not liking him.

Didn’t he get his jaw broken on an illegal hit and miss one single friggin snap because of it???

Yah, Pansy right there

by Hitstick Killer on Jul 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

I’ve seen Peyton take plenty of hard hits. In fact, I think it was the 07 season, one hit he took (which was a late hit) he had to go over to the sideline and sniff some smelling salts – his bell was rung.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 22, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah i really remember that one

because it was against the Washington Redskins, I’m from VA so all of my friends are “Skin Headz”

Week 7 of the ‘06 season, Peyton got wrapped up low and another guy came in late and bent him frickin backwards, all my friends got hyped because the hit looked nasty and i’m ridiculously pissed off because it was late and should have been called for unnecessary roughness. Alas, he misses one play, smells some salts and comes back. just as the Gatorade commercial goes, “That’s G”

by Hitstick Killer on Jul 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He not only came back

But, IIRC, he threw 3 TD’s after that hit. That was a hell of a game by PM.

by coltus on Jul 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freakin' awesome.

Boy, I sure hope Addai can get back to form. I forgot how good he was before last season.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 23, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

alot of people forget how good Addai was before last season

by Hitstick Killer on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another dick head column......

Written by a dick head so called prognosticator. If you can’t be informed and original, I know, make shit up.

by tim55 on Jul 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Its the NYTimes

Im surprised this Joyner douche bag didnt have his #1 reason being…Well he plays in Indy and everyone knows Indiana is a perennial red state (tho it went for obama…barely) and they are all hick red necks who cant even sniff our elititst heels. I mean seriously I work for the most liberal paper in this country, so of course I hate him and his fans.

Hey NY Times, articles by this idiot, and a total lack of truthfulness overall, is why your papers stock is pretty much at “junk bond” status

by dezznutz1001 on Jul 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

poeple always attack the pats

when some1 insults you fave QB you go and attack the Pats
you guys need to stop doing that

by Z-money12 on Jul 22, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

uh...

who attacked the Pats, in the article or the comments?

by willyduer on Jul 22, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

He is referring to this line:

The knocks are the kind of typical crap we often hear from drunken Patriots fans
Basically, he’s whining. For years we heard Pats fans say Peyton can’t win a big game, and that he can’t beat Belichick. Now, we rub it back in their fat faces and they cray like little children. Hilarious.

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by Brad Wells on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any bets on him having made some variation of one of Joyner's shots at Peyton?

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha i dont care you dont beat the Pats enough to have 3 SB rings

i went there
im not crying how can a Pats fan cry about a Colt comment thats not possible at ALL!

by Z-money12 on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may have 3

but, we remember the feeling of winning a super bowl more recently.

Amazingly, that is a really effective trump card. It works with Yankee fans all the time.

by dmstorm22 on Jul 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

he said

The knocks are the kind of typical crap we often hear from drunken Patriots fans
right there all you need to do is Ctrl Pats to find that

by Z-money12 on Jul 23, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whole article is based on a Wrong premise anyway

How is there any proof that Peyton is less like around the league than Tom Brady. I’m pretty sure, after reading reports and articles from around the league, that Peyton has equal if not greater respect from his peers than Tom. The media loves Brady, but that has more to do with his propensity to date and wed models, and his “rugged good looks” and the fact that his TEAM won three super bowls, and they now have entered into a phase of kneeling down to his team that has failed to win a super bowl in the last four years.

Peyton will never be as beloved as Favre (the guy he will take over as the leader in numerous categories) becuase he’s Brett Favre, and he plays for the Packers. THe Packers history and Lambeau, and Frozen Tundra and all that other crap drum up Favre. I hate that, but I have to admit it.

Overall, though, this is a pointless article by a pointless man, who, despite throwing out random stats, has no real credibility and no proof of his inteligence in football, which one can easily get from reading his book.

by dmstorm22 on Jul 23, 2009 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

as a dolphins fan

i personally love peyton manning. his attitude, the way he plays, all of it. one of the greatest qbs to ever play.
i hate brady…well im a dolphins fan what do u expect.
i hate that the media loves brady. brady is a great qb and all but dang everyone seems to have a serious hard on for him at espn.
peyton manning is the best qb in the league rite now. id love to have him on my team. he is one of the classiest players to ever play in the nfl as well.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 23, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

It amazes me

But let’s face it, Brady is the “cool” kid, and Peyton is the nerd trapped inside a fread of a body. The media is going to love Brady because they are idiots and it seems like Brady doesn’t even try. Meanwhile, Peyton is probably walking around Football School hunched over while toting around a backpack stuffed with playbooks. He’d be wearing a pair of really uncool sneakers because they helped him stay on his toes to release the ball quicker and all the models would make fun of him for it.

Or I’m just bitter about my childhood. I don’t know.

by hoosierdore on Jul 23, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

FABULOUS!

Perfect. In every possible way. Rec’d.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 23, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

I would Rec’d it 1 millions times if i could! I can’t believe ppl can hate on someone that hard.

"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That

by KMR24 on Jul 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Checking here, too

Yep… still glad we have the QB we do.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jul 23, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

recd

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"Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting."- Man on Fire

by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Colts fans probably don't care..

but this same idiot all but said Cutler and Grossman are equal when it comes to QBs. He has even made up a statistic. He calls it a “near interception”. Nobody but him seems to know what that is. That’s the only way that he can justify his position on Cutler. It makes me question the NY Times and their choice of sports writers.

We are who we think we are.

by Bearfan1973 on Jul 23, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

From what I've read of him that's what he does

it’s not Football Outsiders type stuff. It’s him making up a subjective or self defined stat, watching tape recording it then writing about what his new stat says.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 23, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's not arrogant,

then I don’t know what is.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This would probably happen to me if I ever won anything.

by Cassieper on Jul 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a completely unqualified idiot

He does chats weekly on the equally reprehensible ESPN, and it seems to me that the only stat that he ever throws out are POA (point-of-attack wins) stats. At least the FO guys have a multitude of stats that are explained and mentioned. This guy just pretends to be a guy who knows something about the game. I really get no indication that he has any idea about what real football is. To me, even Tuesday Morning Quarterback’s Easterbrook is more knowledgable.

by dmstorm22 on Jul 23, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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