Michael Vick reinstated; Tony Dungy suggests the Colts as a good team for him
Let's just get this settled before we go into the meat of the topic: Michael Vick is not signing with the Indianapolis Colts. It has about as much chance of happening as ESPN signing me as their new AFC South "blogger." But, because former-Colts coach Tony Dungy is mentoring Vick as he reintegrates into non-prison life, the eventual question of "What about the Colts?" had to come up. Dungy answered that question on Dan Patrick's Radio Show (via Indy Star):
"I think Indianapolis would be a great spot in a lot of ways -- with (coach) Jim Caldwell being there, (owner) Jim Irsay, the type of city it is, the type of locker room it is," he said. "From a lot of standpoints it would be great, but they don't need a quarterback. The whole situation has to fit, and I just don't know where that's going to be."
Michael Vick has two problems: One, he is a crappy quarterback; always has been. For over two years, he hasn't thrown a football in a live game. This means that Vick is now a crappy, rusty quarterback. His second problem is he likes to watch dogs kill each other. Yes, I know he has paid his debt to society. That doesn't mean that the stigma of his heinous actions will wash away just by doing some prison time. The other part of his "debt to society" is he must live with his actions the rest of his life.
If Bill Polian totally lost his mind and signed #7, the only possible use Vick could provide to the Colts is as a "Wild Cat" option. If Vick can still run as he used to, he is an interesting player to utilize out of that set. However, the Colts do not use this set in their normal offensive package, and Vick offers little as a back-up QB. And can you imagine the utter disaster Vick would be in the Colts' no-huddle, check-with-me system?
However, if one were to play devil's advocate, if Vick were looking to sign with a team for just one year (he is essentially suspended for the first 6 games of the 2009 season) where he can learn a system, work with respected coaches, and get re-adjusted to NFL life without an pressure to perform, what better place to go than the Colts? I mean, if you can't learn from Peyton Manning, Tom Moore, Jim Caldwell, and Frank Reich, you suck! And you shouldn't be playing football in the first place.
So, maybe Indy is a good fit. Is it happening? Of course not. But, it's fun to speculate while we countdown to August 3rd.
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Eh
Not a big Vick guy even if the Colts wanted to sign him. It seems like a bad PR move right now.
If they have money to sign a “veteran” I would rather see Derrick Brooks in a Colts uniform.
"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."
One "problem" player is enough
We’re still working on Ed Johnson, and I gotta be honest, Big Ed is a better DT than Vick was a QB.
I know you already stated this BBS
but yeah he wont be picked up by us simply because he would take up a valuable roster spot.
ESPN says that the Steelers and Pats are the "best fits" for Vick. WTH???
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
I have to believe they're thinking only of one angle,
which is the environment perpetuated by the coaches for those organizations. He’s gonna need a very strong coach and as much as I hate belichick, I believe he could provide the leadership and discipline required. I also believe Tomlin would be a fantastic role model for Vick. That said, I’m not sure there are glaring needs on either team that screams Vick.
How can you not love a team that does this?
That's the only reason I can think of...
We already have an athletic backup QB in Dennis Dixon (Who apparently got shot by Marvin Harrison ;-) ). We don’t need another reciever or RB either. Unforunately for Vick, the only teams that have an environment that can help him have no need for his services.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dixon
is a great QB… if you read any of my comments you’ll know I’m a huge Cal fan. Oregon is traditionally a solid competitor, but with Dixon they were awesome.
How can you not love a team that does this?
I know it
Unfortunately, I wouldn’t put it below Arians’ intelligence to criminally misuse/underuse Dixon. He could be great for a Wildcat-type offense, especially considering Ben was honorable mention all-state at WR his junior year at high school.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Great idea... hope it comes to fruition
except against the Colts, of course ;-)
How can you not love a team that does this?
I wouldn't be losing much sleep if I were you!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
It sounded like Dungy was basically just saying that we have a great coach, GM, city, locker room, etc. and it would be a good situation for Vick in terms of staying out of trouble.
And yeah there’s no way we get him
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Vick returning home to play some football.
Well everyone think that Vick isn’t ready you don’t go to prison for 18 months sleep eat and think. What do you all think that he was doing in there just looking at the walls this man is getting ready to bring football back to it’s finest,I think that thge Tennessee Titans should pick up Vick because he will get plenty of love in the south people in the south are more down to earth and they understand where Vick is trying to go and that is straight to the top. Whatever team he get’s on they better be grateful because they are getting a Hall Of Famer at the price of a All Star.
WOW!
I really hope you aren’t serious… Mike Vick, an All Star? A HOFer? Not in your wildest dreams buddy. I hope your right about Tennessee picking him up though. Young and Vick on the same team… Can someone say Realtiy TV Magic!
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
*Reality*
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for him returning to football
but not for my team. Yes, I’m a big hypocrite on this one. Too much negative publicity. Can you picture what the opposing fans (and maybe even the team’s own fans) will be doing when he steps back out onto the field? Hissing and booing will be the worst of his worries – I see beer cans, frozen oranges, and dog doo being flung onto the field. I see fist fights breaking out in the stands. I see PETA unloading wagonfuls of protestors to harrangue fans, old and young, for a decision that they had nothing to do with. Pure mayhem.
How can you not love a team that does this?
I for one
Still think Michael Vick’s acts are absolutely dispicable and it will be hard for me to ever look at him and not see a complete piece of human trash. Yet, I do believe in forgiveness, and if he truly is remorseful, and Tony Dungy believes he is, I say let him play. I’d prefer it not be for the Colts, just because…what’s he going to do, return kicks?
As for his ability, the dude can play. He was NOT a crappy QB. He pretty much single handedly carried the falcons, who were garbage without him. I am adament in my belief that a “dual threat” QB does not work in the NFL, but he actually is the exception to the rule. He is the exact type of athlete 10-12 yr olds create on Madden. Yet, true that he is rusty, along with being deservedly tagged with the “bad guy” label weighing on his mind, it will be interesting to see if he still performs at the level he did in ’04, ’05, etc.
BigBlueShoe comments on Michael Vick
Mr. BigBlueShoe, your comments are unwarranted and are rather lame. Mr. Vick probably has more athletic talents and abilities in one toe, than you have in you whole body. The hell with PETA dog fighting started long before MiKe Vick. I think it started in hoosier states and the boot hills.
How come we haven’t arrested Billy Bob and Leroy Jenkins? Could big names are involved?
P.S. Let this man make a living and you go ahead with your life. Maybe you should be more concerned with rapists and murderers.
HE WOULD SMASH INJURED/WEAK DOGS INTO THE GROUND!
It also has to do with the interstate illegal gambling ring he was a part of. I’m in law school, and if I was part of a dog fighting ring, I would never be allowed into the legal profession. Vick has absolutely no right to return to the NFL. He’s very lucky to get off so lightly.
by hoosierdore on Jul 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It smells like shyt, must be a lawyer in the room……LOL! Quit now and pursue a football career. Lawyers stink and every year they are building more and more prisons, that soon become overcrowded. Looks like the system is winning. Pls concentrate on rapists and murderers. Dogfighting needs to stay in the “relative” state of W. Virginia with the good old boys. P.S. by the way Dog is on the menu all over the world. Sharon please past the dog tongue and the salt and paper. (Something to think about)
Wow...just wow.
I’m not even going to start with all the things I think are wrong about what you just wrote.
what do you mean?
aren’t lawyers the people who build prisons?
Aren’t all lawyers based solely on criminal law?
Can’t just anybody quit law school and pursue football?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
I'm sorry - but this post was a pile of dung doo
A guy deserves a second chance, sure, just not with this team. When he played for the Falcons, he definitely was not a 100 million dollar QB, athletic ability be damned. But, hey, it’s not my money.
Just because dog fighting existed before Vick did it doesn’t mean it’s not wrong. And no, I’m not comparing the criminality level of dog killing and people raping.
Also, I didn’t realize there were more than one hoosier state(s).
Let me see if I am understanding you here:
1) because dog fighting started before Vick, it’s OK that Vick did it.
2) because Vick has more athletic talent than BigBlueShoe, we should all leave him alone and let him play.
Wow… that’s some weapons-grade stupidium right there. I would refute your “logic,” but everybody who is reading this already knows why you’re wrong, and I doubt you will ever understand why you’re wrong, so what’s the point?
(corrections)BigBlueShoe comments on Michael Vick
Could it be that big names aren’t involved in everyday dogfighting?
While it is true that the locker rooms of the Colts, Pats , and Steelers would be best equipped to handle the return of Vick, I would question it if they did. Vick really only gives these teams value as a Wildcat package QB, something to give defenses more to study. However, would that really give you a bigger advantage than already having the ball in the hands of Manning, Brady, or Big Ben. Nope.
He would give you that wow off the bench in the case of catastrophic injury, unlike Sorgi . I just don’t see Vick fitting with the Colts or the Colts changing what they do under that scenario. Plus the PR hit. I obviously vote no.
Dungy supporting Vick is OK with me.
Dungy truly believes in second chances. Let him go for it. But as far as Tony saying the Colts would be a great spot for him, well, that was just an easy thing to say, because he knows the Colts have no needs in that area.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
To everyone who says he "deserves" to be let in
How many decent jobs would hire a criminal back?
Ultimately, it won’t matter, he’ll disappoint whoever gets him. But saying that it would be a travesty to suspend him is foolish, because most criminals spend the rest of their lives with crappy jobs.
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He's just not that good anyways
Besides the fact that he’s been out of the league for 2 years now, towards the end of his “recent” playing days his play had leveled off anyways. He continued to argue about how he could be a pocket passer and not just a running QB. Meanwhile, his passing stats remained mediocre and through all this he was basically scheming to murder dogs.
Sound like someone you want on your team?
If we ran the wildcat offense it might make a little sense, but we don’t so that’s the end of this story.
"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."
So where could Vick end up? Well, you’re going to need a unique combination of factors.
- You can’t send him anywhere where there’s an established, Pro Bowl-quality veteran QB, because those teams don’t run the Wildcat, which is the system in which Vick would thrive.
- You need an owner that doesn’t care or knows nothing about public relations, and just wants to put the best team on the field possible with no regard for chemistry.
- You need a team that’s willing to have him under constant surveillance, with a head coach that will keep him toeing the line.
So, the first bullet rules out the Colts, Steelers, Patriots, Bengals, Saints, Giants, and Chargers.
Second bullet point eliminates everyone but the Raiders, Redskins, Bills, and Cowboys, because Al Davis, Dan Snyder, Ralph Wilson, and Jerry Jones are the only owners crazy or senile enough to basically actively antagonize their fanbase.
Third bullet point eliminates the Raiders, Redskins, and Cowboys.
Basically, the only place that Mike Vick fits right now is Buffalo.
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