Luke Links: The TWO DAYS TO CAMP! Edition

Two more days until Training Camp 2009 officially begins for the Indianapolis Colts! We did not do a Luke Links earlier this week because we were too busy bashing ESPN senselessly for their shameful ethics when it comes to sports reporting. Yet, despite our wicked beatdown of the Worldwide Leader, ESPN's own Paul Kuharsky did not take it personally. He was kind enough to dedicate his Thursday link dump title to one of our articles: MasterRWayne's The Stretch Play.
Despite how horrible his employer is, Stampede Blue thanks Paul for not assuming our merciless decapitation of ESPN is a reflection on him personally. Paul's a good guy. We still haven't forgiven him for his opinions on Brady v. Manning, but in general he's good.
Here are the links:
- One should always Know Their Colts History.
- Despite a horrible economy, people still have money to see Colts games. Remember when the anti-stadium crowd kept screaming that the new Lucas Oil Stadium would never sell out? This is a good example of smart people (pro-stadium crowd) ignoring dumb people (anti-stadium crowd). Restaurants and businesses downtown are struggling, but if they did not have The Luke they'd be closed right now.
- 18to88 doesn't like MasterRWayne's The Stretch Play. I don't agree with their critique of the article, nor do I agree with their opening paragraph, which states "10 years ago, Colts fans were among the least educated in football. Today I read an article that wound the clock back 10 years." I do, however, appreciate them reading and breaking down the article.
- Paul Kuharsky talks with Gary Brackett, who tells Paul his favorite hit was the one in the 2005 playoffs where he leveled Jerome Bettis on the one yard line, causing that legendary fumble. Too bad Mike
VanderchokeVanderjadt couldn't deliver for Gary. - The Sporting News says 12 wins this year for the Colts.
- The Packers have signed Clay Matthews, who was drafted just prior to the Colts taking Donald Brown in the first round.
- This off-season, DE Curtis Johnson bulked up from 237 pounds to 252 pounds.
- Jordan Senn LOVES plays special teams.
- This is from a little while ago, but it is still a good read: Johnny Unitas' grandson getting into football.
- Bill Polian says six players will enter camp on the PUP. Wow. That's a lot, folks. That means the team will only start camp with 74 guys practicing. My PUP guesses include Adam Vinatieri, Mike Hart, Bob Sanders (again), Ryan Lilja (again), Gary Brackett, and Marlin Jackson.
Finally, I'm giving you all an update on two things. First, I'm still waiting to hear from SB Nation on what deal we have in place for Fantasy Football in 2009. We might stay with the same provider (Flea Flicker). We might not. I have no idea. Until I get more info, we're in limbo. Like last year, we will likely do two leagues; maybe three, if lots of people want in. I don't know if I want to manage a league because of all the other duties I have here and at other blogs (like Mocking The Draft).
The second item is this weekend, before training camp opens, I am going to follow in 18to88's footsteps and really rip into Cold Hard Football Schmucks Facts. I mean, we're talking legendary ripping. I had an exchange with them, off blog, regarding a story and let's just say it didn't go well. I usually let stuff like that go, but if any group of asshats deserves getting their behinds handed to them, it's these arrogant jerks. Keep an eye out this weekend for the CHFF beatdown. And hide the kids.
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Jordan Senn
I participated in a women’s football clinic at 56th St. last year. Jordan was one of 2 players who volunteered their time to be there. He was funny and friendly. Great guy. I hope he makes us proud on special teams. But, he seems so small in person. Maybe speed will be his thing.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
In 2001...
After the Colts season went south, fans were calling talk radio arguing that Manning should be benched so the Colts could get a look at the back up quarterback. MANY callers agreed.
Before that, people tried to run Marshal Faulk out of town because he was a little banged up.
Colts fans were amazingly ill-informed. That changed around 2003.
18to88.com
by deshawn zombie on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
but there I go with...
using anecdotes as evidence. Bad form by me. Sorry.
18to88.com
by deshawn zombie on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
AKA the Dark Ages
It did take Manning a couple seasons to live down the “as many interceptions as touchdowns” knock, despite the fact that his rookie season was the only one that fit that description.
I don't know..
…if I’d go so far as to use callers on talk radio as strong examples of a majority of Colts fans. If you recall last May, many people called into Bob Kravitz’s show, agreeing with him that blogs were inferior to newspapers. But every where else outside that call in show, Kravitz was ripped for his stupid and inaccurate comments. In fact, I know many major media outlets that use our interviews on that show of examples as to why blogs have matured while newspapers have been bitter and petty. So, don’t go thinking at people who call into the radio represent a majority of Colts fans.
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Its ok
There are still bitter Colts fans like you that bring the collective IQ for the rest of us down. Keep up the good work!
by MasterRWayne on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's unfortunate for you guys
that the refs made an atrocious call on the Polamalu INT in the 4th quarter. If they make the right call, you’re spared the devastating ending and the offseaon flashbacks. Anyway, Bettis wasn’t “leveled”, he was hit right where he was carrying the ball and it popped out. Brackett was clearly aiming for the ball when he lowered his helmet.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
You're right.
We had absolutely no business being in that game, and the fact that we came back from that enormous deficit was a testament to how good that 2005 Colts team actually was. Still, I prefer it went down the way it did, because if Polamalu makes the interception (and it is ruled that way), then Vandershank Vanderjerk Vanderchoke our liquored-up, idiot kicker would have never “attempted” (word used loosely) that last second field goal, and he might have stayed with the team. Then, we might have never won the Baltimore playoff game and our Super Bowl. Think of it like “The Butterfly Effect.”
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The World Series of Poker is finally back on ESPN starting this week (Tuesday nights). To commerate the event, here's a video of my favorite poker player at his best.
I would respond...
I would respond to 18to88, but then I remember that we don’t negotiate with terrorist (or Reds fans).
well that didn't take long
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/7/31/970455/luke-links-the-two-days-to-camp#19008811
http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/july/the-problem-with-fans.html#comments
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
by shake n bake on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I stopped taking DZ and his retarded ape for a brother seriously when he had that meltdown on the Kravitz and Eddie show.
“I’M NOT TELLING YOU MY NAME, I DON’T WANT TO GET FIRED!”
And then a few days later he spills the beans on his identity and even included pictures as well. You really showed him!
what an incredible ass
“… and his retarded ape for a brother…”
uncalled-for ad hominem attacks like this are a big part of why i will never visit your new blog KR. i know i’m not alone on this…
I don’t even visit my site that much. What makes you think I give a shit if you do?
Oh and for the record, DZ’s retarded ape for a brother called me an idiot a long time ago. Just figured you should know that consindering you are trying to make it seem like my attack was uncalled for and all that jazz.
How about...
DZ’s insane meltdown on this site over BBS article? BBS and I have been nothing but gracious towards 18to88. I can’t figure out what DZ’s problem is. Then he said he didn’t like me because I am an “Addai Hater” (whatever that means).
The issue here is not me being an “Addai hater” the issue is DZ just being a hater. Period.
it's awesome how predictable things are around here
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
well it's hard not to be when there isn't anything new to discuss
that’s why it’s great that the season is almost here.
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
it’ll be nice to have some substantive issues to talk about
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Agreed.
Just as long as those issues do not involve the “i” word…I think you all know which word that is.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 31, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can think of a few "i" words I don't want to discuss
But I think I know exactly which one you’re talking about
How can you not love a team that does this?
I have no clue which word you're talking about.
Can someone please fill me in?
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The World Series of Poker is finally back on ESPN starting this week (Tuesday nights). To commerate the event, here's a video of my favorite poker player at his best.
The ones that come to mind are interception and injury
but I think ptb was talking about injury
How can you not love a team that does this?
Ah.
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The World Series of Poker is finally back on ESPN starting this week (Tuesday nights). To commerate the event, here's a video of my favorite poker player at his best.
uh-oooooooooooh
really classy comments in this post. they really focus on the original arguments made by DZ in his critique of the stretch play article.
by torontocoltsfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Apology
Hey listen, I wanted to apologize for some of the stuff I said up there. Its been a long day and I’ve had some problems with the new house that I moved into. Long story. Anyways, I just wanted to say sorry to Saint Nixon and Slash. I didn’t mean those comments. My bad.
To Whom It May Concern,
This was posted on 18to88 a few minutes ago.
RE: Peyton
written by DZ, July 31, 2009
I was hard on this piece. Harder than on most pieces I disagree with.
All I can offer you is this:
my attack on the piece was an honest representation of how I felt about it. I did not oversell my disgust for effect.
All this has made me think a new about this topic. Can we agree to table your complaints until I can address them in a longer post later tonight? You’ve raised an interesting discussion, and if you’ll indulge me, I’ll comment more later.
Again, I disagree with your position, but believe me, I’m taking you seriously.
What an exciting way to spend a Friday night, huh? I may have to break out the whiskey for this one.
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
you wanted a legitimate well reasoned explanation
I think there’s a clear line between saying someone’s opinion or post was poorly written and/or poorly argued and calling a person names. If there isn’t then there is no disagreement without personal attack.
That’s how I feel and what I’d guess would be a key point in DZ’s upcoming reply.
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares?
I wrote an article just stating a very non-controversial opinion and DZ acts like I slapped his mom across the face. The dude needs to grow some thicker skin.
by MasterRWayne on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the opposite
I’d say that you need the thicker skin.
Peytonsurdaddy pointed out that yes, DZ may have insulted you indirectly, but you acted as if it was all a personal affront, repeatedly attributed this to him hating you (despite no evidence whatsoever of this), called him names, acted like a child, all while completely ignoring any of the evidence he presented and repeating your initial erroneous claim that the stretch play is bad.
Your final conclusion that they need to be better at all running is a no-brainer. Of course they do. Nobody disagrees with that. But when things are working well, the stretch is at the heart of that. They are absolutely right to criticize your logic in that piece because their running failure in 2008 had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the stretch play. They didn’t run it in 2008! Why you repeatedly try to deny this instead of saying “you know what, you’re right, I had some flaws in my reasoning, but I stand by my overall point that the run game needs to improve, especially in power situations” is beyond me. If you simply acknowledged that, I don’t think anyone would be fighting. And I know that I and others would think a lot more highly of you.
DZ has his flaws, but he has you beat on this. You made it personal, not him, and he has the facts on his side. There’s really no reason for it to have gone this far.
You and DZ miss the point
The stretch play can gain yards, but it hurts the team when we need to gain The Yard. its been a problem with the Colts for over 10 years. That’s all there is to it.
The stretch play has its place and I never advocated getting rid of it. I just said the Colts need to use more “basic” running formations. They need to get back to basic running the football. And I know they didn’t run it in 2008. If you read the beginning my article you would have seen that I talked about it. Because they over rely on that play they seem inept when they have to resort to more basic run formations.
My issue with DZ is that he took something non controversial and attempted to turn it into something that its not. He had an axe to grind over the Addai issue and even admitted that. I have no problems with people debating, but I don’t consider “hatchet” pieces to have substance.
by MasterRWayne on Aug 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
An example
An example of the over-reliance on the stretch play would be the fact that this team does not have a true full back on the roster. It hurts the Colts a lot. The more flexible you can be the better you can be.
by MasterRWayne on Aug 1, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
agree, but...
they did have a true fullback on the roster back in the days when they actually did run the stretch. Last year, when they didn’t use it, they also had no fullback. This was largely a function of them having to carry so many damn extra DBs and interior linemen because of the damn injuries.
It always makes me mad that regular centers can’t long snap. Seems like having to waste a roster spot on Snow really affects one position group every year.
True
In fact, and I can’t say who told me this, but people in the Colts organization are not happy about wasting a roster spot on Snowe.
Tamme was a long snapper
maybe down the road they’ll be able to do without Snow.
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Aug 1, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
I just typed out a whole long post wherein I actually started agreeing with you, but then I replied to your other thing below and lost it. That SUCKS.
But I basically said that I’m not missing the point. i see your point. I see that you have more than one. But you go astray in trying to assign blame, given that the problems in 2008 had nothing to do with the stretch, because they never ran it.
I understand that you’d prefer that they ran better in power situations. We all agree. If you were to say that the 2007 stats about that are a bit of an anomaly, I’d agree with you too. But the fact of the matter is, they have to play to their strengths. They don’t have the personnel for a smashmouth attack. Despite Saturday’s famous pancake block, they’re not an especially strong or powerful unit. Additionally, in 2008 they were hurt and stocked with rookies. But the root of it is that they have smaller, more athletic guys – late round value type picks that are necessary for building a good team – and their strength is their speed and conditioning. The stretch plays to those strengths and also helps the play action passing and outside running game.
You make some statements that damn the stretch and others that say “it has its place but they need more ‘basic’ formations”. The problem is that with their personnel you can’t really have it both ways. And if you want to say they should change it up, that’s fine. It’d be cool to have a Baltimore-esque rushing attack. But as long as they have the guys they’ve got, they’re going to go with the plays that work best for them. And there’s ample evidence that when the O Line and RBs are healthy, the plays that work best all start with the stretch, which is effective. The failures in 2008 have nothing to do with the stretch, because they didn’t use it. In your 9:47 post you mention an overreliance on the stretch in reference to the 2008 roster construction. That’s the problem. In 2008 they didn’t rely on the stretch.
Anyway, the people running this team are a lot smarter than any of us. (Except for me. I’m smarter than everyone.*) It’s kind of silly to come out and suggest that they start changing the playbook, especially on the eve of a training camp with massive roster turnover. For all we know, they have all sorts of new plans for this year. Maybe they’ll do what you say. Maybe they’ll do something completely different from what any of us say. Or maybe they’ll base the offense off the stretch like they have for years, but be wildly successful because there won’t be injuries.
My money’s on #3. Formations are overrated. It’s about execution. Healthy people will execute. And both Addai and Brown will look very good next year if the line does its job. And that’s true of runs around left and right end just as much as it’s true of runs over the guard.
- - And better looking.
by willyduer on Aug 1, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome post man
You should really consider turning that big post there into a fanpost. You put a lot of time and effort into it. I’d hate to be the only person to read it.
I accept all your points on this. I agree that the Colts don’t have the personal for a “smash mouth” running attack, but I never argued for that. I’d like to see us get there, but I wouldn’t want us to force that system with the players we have.
The issue is that this team is meant to run the stretch and only the stretch. Hence, my point about it being a “One-Trick Pony.” In football, much like life, the more adaptable you are the better you are. That was the issue with 2008 the Colts needed to adapt to running without the stretch and they failed at doing at it. They failed pretty fantastically at it I might add. There was no reason the Colts couldn’t have at least an average running game especially when teams were running Nickel defense against them on 1st down.
All I am arguing for is just a little more diversity in our run approach and judging by the fact that this team drafted Donald Brown (who is more of a North-South style runner) I would say that Polian and company agree with me.
But
when things are going well, there IS diversity. They did shove the ball right up Baltimore’s asses in the 06 playoffs, and very effectively ran to kill clock in many other games in 07 and before that. It’s not like those running plays were stretch plays.
But the line was a lot more cohesive then…
Exactly!
In the 2006 playoffs the Colts moved away from the stretch play mentality and look at how much physical our running attack because?
+1
Well said! Let’s trash both MRW and DZ’s post and put this one in its place! ;)
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
but I’m not in the mood for trashing. And I still agree with DZ for the most part on this matter.
Re: fanposts and whatnot, MRW, I don’t care if anyone else reads it, it was meant for you. If I was interested in having feature pieces out there in front of lots of eyes with my name in the byline, I’d have gone and gotten one of the writing gigs.
he Colts needed to adapt to running without the stretch and they failed at doing at it.
This sentence states your point better than anything you wrote in the initial post or the arguments. This is 100% true.
Still, I would argue that the main cause of that was the continuity issues with the line; not the offensive design.
It’s always about line play. Because of last year, the OL is the only real question mark this year, but I have faith in Coach Mudd to get it taken care of. They were 12-4 last year without great blocking. Imagine what that could mean about this year.
Joking, joking...
Good insight, though.
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 1, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to turn this into a ten-headed argument...
I merely thought to inform interested parties at SB who may want to read DZ’s post. That is all…
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 31, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's margaritas for me tonight
I started the day with a visit to the dentist to get a crown (after being up most of the night fearing the pain). Two needlefuls of novacaine and 10 minutes of excruitiating drilling later, I walked out with a temporary crown. Three hours after I got home, that crown fell out and I had to go right back. I think I’ve earned the margaritas, no? I may have to drink my meals for the next 10 days.
Thanks for pouring the pity this way, so to speak ;-)
How can you not love a team that does this?
Yum...
Cadillac Margaritas…
Yes, you have certainly earned a few ’ritas.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jul 31, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmmm...
Whiskeritas…
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Jul 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
I like it with Ginger Beer.
When not drinking it straight up, of course. But if I’m drinking straight whiskey, I usually choose the kind from Scotland.
ginger beer? interesting, i'll have to try that out
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