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2009 Colts Training Camp: News and notes from 8/12/09 afternoon practice

The morning practice was a casual walk-through, as several practices this training camp have been. The emphasis was on the mental side of the game, focusing on situations like goal-line offense, wide receiver run blocking, etc. In the afternoon, the colts put on their pads and started hitting. Head coach Jim Caldwell stressed how important this afternoon's practice needed to be:

We really want to see the kind of effort we saw yesterday. We really had a good, sharp, crisp practice, and we are looking for the same thing. Even though we are emulating someone else’s scheme, we need to keep up on our work as well.

So, what kind of effort did coach get? Eric Hartz tweeted his thoughts from camp and John Oehser provided an update on IFR. Here are some notes:

  • Dallas Clark is suffering from a "mild concussion." He's having headaches that are re-occurring. This is the reason he has sat out the last three practices. Dallas will not play against the Vikings Friday.
  • All the tight ends save Jamie Petrowski sat out the afternoon practice.
  • T.J. Rushing and Austin Collie are sharing the kick returning duties in practice.
  • Donald Brown whiffed on a pass block against Philip Wheeler. In all fairness to Brown, Wheeler should beat him on pass rushing drills. Brown is 5'10. Wheeler is 6'2. 
  • Despite the whiffed block, Brown's afternoon practice was arguable his best so far. He was breaking several hard runs and caught a TD from Peyton Manning. Coaches and fans alike are very impressed with Brown.

More after the jump...

Star-divide

  • The issue with Bob Sanders is not his knee, but the strength of his quad muscles. Because he has been working so hard to strengthen the knee, he has not been able to strengthen his quads.
  • The second practice in a row sees Fili Moala at DE.
  • Run down situations often see Keyunta Dawson and Raheem Brock at DE positions.
  • Eric Foster is seeing a lot of time on the goal-line... as a fullback!
  • Collie is a manic worker. During lulls in practice, he is always working on something.
  • Antoine Bethea broke his hand in practice. He was replaced by Matt Giordano. Caldwell said Bethea will likely play with the hand wrapped. Playing with a broken hand? In pre-season? Antoine Bethea = one tough mutha!
  • Mike Pollak looked awful in the afternoon practice. Adrian Grady was consistently owning him.

Some quotes...

Reggie Wayne on the state of training camp:

Things are good. Just like (Head Coach Jim) Caldwell just told us, he likes where we are at. As a team, we feel pretty comfortable about where we are. We have gotten a lot accomplished in the first two weeks. It is about time we worked against somebody else, especially the defense. You can tell they are getting antsy, they want to tackle somebody.

Gary Brackett on coaches Caldwell and Larry Coyer:

It will be slightly different. Obviously, for me, Coach (Larry) Coyer will be more different, having someone else in my ear, making the defensive calls and things of that nature. But Coach Caldwell has really come into his own, he’s done a great job of communicating with the team…everybody has bought into what he’s believing in.

Coach Caldwell on Bob Sanders' health:

One thing about Bob is he is making good progress. We are all pleased with how he is working and the results. Obviously he’s not back there out on the field, but he will be in due time. How much time that will be, I’m not certain. I spoke with Dr. (James) Andrews and the rest of our staff, we all agreed on the prescribed methodology for what we are going to do with him, how we are going to go about it in terms of his workouts and rehab, and we’ve been pleased with that. It’s just time.

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what'd you do, anyway?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 12, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

fell off my bike working out, those ruts between the grass and concrete paths can be nasty.

wear a helmet kids, probably kept me from having a serious concussion.

It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.

by shake n bake on Aug 12, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, OK.

When you described it before, I thought it was a stationary bike. There was a little snicker from me picturing somebody falling off a stationary bike and hitting their head.

Good thing you were wearing your helmet.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

two of my friends thought that too and laughed at me before I explained

probably didn’t help that I had just gotten a gym membership with them the day before so they were thinking gym.

It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.

by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quads
Because he has been working so hard to strengthen the knee, he has not been able to strengthen his quads.

This doesn’t make sense to me… isn’t strengthening your quad one of the ways you strengthen your knee?!? Or are you referring to flexibility and mobility, which require different exercises?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Aug 12, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

True

But I think by not having run at full speed in some time, his muscles may have slightly atrophied. He may be more susceptible to muscle fatigue, cramps, and pulls. I am sure he is starting to get much treatment in stretching them out.

In other words, yeah, i think it’s more to do with flexibility and mobility.

by npb1985 on Aug 13, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He may have also lost some power

He may have just been trying to strengthen the quadriceps tendon and other petellar tendons and not the muscle itself. This could leave it weaker than it was before.

by Sanders_fan89 on Aug 13, 2009 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

quads/knees

my thoughts exactly. Serious, big-iron, leg pressing work builds quads and stresses knees, but building the muscle around the knees to support them should involve quad maintenance as well…..

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 13, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had the same thought.

You almost can’t strengthen the knee without strengthening the quads…but then again, I’m just a gym rat – not a Zombie. =-)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pollak

I hope its just a mater of Grady looking really good. He (Grady) showed some real promise coming out as a pass rushing DT. Hopefully by firday,, Pollak will look good blocking and Grady will look good pass rushing/stopping the run

by metal_militia on Aug 12, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm more concerned with Pollak's

run blocking than his pass blocking. That’s the area he really struggled at last year. Most of the pass rush last year was coming from the outsides.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Collie

Collie is a manic worker. During lulls in practice, he is always working on something.

Not only that, but right after the morning practice, he spent nearly an hour working his footwork on hitch routes. I’ve never seen a guy move his feet so fast. Collie showed some great hands in the afternoon practice too. While working scout team with Painter at QB, Collie nearly went up and caught a deep fade that Painter grossly underthrew, only to have Tim Jennings play amazing coverage and punch it out of his hands at the last possible moment. A couple plays later, Collie got back at the D and caught a slightly overthrown quick out along the sidelines while double covered.

by Daniel B on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Tim Jennings playing amazing (and tight) coverage?

Be still my heart.

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Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Gonzo and Hall both out

There will be plenty of chances for Garcon and Collie to show what they can do on the field. This is especially true in the first couple sets of downs when the first team Vikings D is on the field. This game could go a long way to at least showing which guy is ahead for the slot position.

And what’s up with Hall? Why is he out again? If he’s injured yet AGAIN then I have to think he’s not going to make the roster this year.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez

Our O-Line is starting to freak me out. I mean, no disrespect to the defense, i’m happy to see them blowing people up and putting the pressure on the O, but I’d be much happier knowing Peyton’s protection is a little more solid. Luckily, Peyton is kind of, sort of decent at getting the ball off quick and accurately. So I’ve heard….

Seriously, though, the Vikings D-Line is one of the league’s best. The O-Line better step up on friday night, regardless of it being the preseason. Peyton better be protected. Even if just for a couple of series.

by npb1985 on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

A elephant in the middle of the room

Don’t really want to say this, but I am now putting Dallas Clark alongside Bob Sanders on my “I don’t think he’ll be here in two years” list. Too many concussions.

Again, partly this is to preserve his marbles when he’s an old fart—I am sure he can play as long as he wants. But to avoid Mike Webster syndrome (minus the roid-related disabilities), guys who rack up 10 concussions, or miss a total of 10 games for the same reason, should probably hang ‘em up. And Dallas is getting pretty close to those limits. Just offhand, I’ll say he’s had official reports of 6-7 concussions and missed at least parts of 5 regular season games, plus this preseason game, and probably more.
I am officially worried. I don’t want both him and his newborn to struggle to read Magic Treehouse books in six years.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 13, 2009 3:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Can you look into that?

Because I can’t remembers Clark having an especially large number of concussions.

by slash196 on Aug 13, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh for sure

He’s had quite a few. I was thinking this same thing when I heard he had another one.

by Colts Syndrome on Aug 13, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only one I remember

was a blatant helmet-to-helmet that the opposing team didn’t get flagged for. I seem to remember it as the Chargers, but that could be my memory playing tricks on me just because I hate those bastards.

by slash196 on Aug 13, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That wicked hit to the head.

It was the Jags game, the hit was delivered by cornerback Drayton Florence. And Dallas was back in the game later on.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Aug 13, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it the Broncos?

IIRC John Lynch delivered the extraordinary hard hit.

by jocre on Aug 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we're talking last season, it wasn't Lynch.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Aug 13, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree...

I like Clark…but the concussions are getting more frequent. I think if a LB looks at him in anger Clark gets a concussion!! For his sake, I hope this does not turn into something bad!!

by TRDean on Aug 13, 2009 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just found the most amazing thing.

On Sports Illustrated, they have a database with every player’s injury history. It doesn’t say if or how many games they missed, but beggers can’t be choosers. So let’s take a look at Dallas Clark’s, shall we?

Here’s the link:

It looks like this is 4th concussion since 2003 (the year he was drafted). He got one in September of 2005, one in September of 2006, one in November of 2007, and one now. Is that too many for an NFL player? You be the judge.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow great information.

Considering he makes a lot of catches up the middle, I don’t think it’s too much.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Aug 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That IS awesome info

What may be missing is the weeks he has a concussion in game or practice, misses a few days but is suited up the next week—if he does not miss time, my guess is that it’s not recorded. My gut says 6 is more likely than 4. Also, I am pretty sure one is missing from th elist above—end of season, December most likely his rookie year against Denver. I’d say week 15 or 16. He was freakin’ hammered and missed the rest of the game, perhaps the next week too. Then came back in the playoffs with a monster game against the Broncos. Might not have been registered as a concussion—maybe neck/spine injury instead. I’m thinking Kenoy Kennedy or Lynch or maybe Romanowski—all true sweethearts. cough, gag.

Plus his broken leg and some other injuries may have me worrying about him more than is warranted. but I worry….

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clark's career games don't quite align with the injury records

But it’s hard to tell since instead of “did not play” it’s now listed as “did not play or accumulate any stats”. I guess he could have been shut out a few times.

Maybe I AM THE ONE losing his marbles….

Looks like the Den game I am thinking of was his soph season, 2004. Of course he has 1 catch for 4 yards and started the playoffs the following week (scorching the bastards), so no time lost except for about 75% of a game he started. And the injury was not listed as head, but I’m skeptical…

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Aug 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the list is an accumulation of the injury reports.

Like if Clark appeared as questionable on the injury report with a knee injury, they would list it there, whether he played or not.

By the same token, if Clark got a concussion during a game, but recovered quickly enough to not be on the injury report, then it won’t be listed there.

It seems pretty accurate to me to determine the # of concussions he had.

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Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOW THE HELL DID DALLAS GET HURT

FUUUUUUK HIS DA BEST TIGH END IN DA NFL MAN HOPE HE GETS BETTER I WANT HIM TO HAVE GOODASS YEAR HES GONNA BREK AL EM TIGH EN RECORDS

"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing".
Johnny Unitas

by 805 on Aug 13, 2009 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

well said

:)

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol.

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Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Cursed players this year (via my autograph curse): Donald Brown, Fili Moala, Jerraud Powers, Austin Collie, Terrence Taylor, and Curtis Painter.

by Cassieper on Aug 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really see Richard stepping in

If Lilja’s healthy, Richard was by far the best of the rookies, can’t we just slot him in at guard?

by slash196 on Aug 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I'm wasting my breath when I say...

… you guys are right about Haynesworth but wrong about Collins. Actually, KC himself won’t change at all. He is what he is; no argument there. But the receivers around him this year are about 100% better than the craptastic bunch the Titans had on the roster last year, and that will be significant.

At this point, I think TN is an 11-win team. That’s what I see on paper when I run the schedule here and now with only a week of training camp in the books. I’d guess that the Titans and Colts would split this year, especially since that has been the trend the last few years.

That said, if there is anywhere to attack this year’s Titans team, it’s running up the middle. I don’t know that that’s Indy’s strong suit, and so, while I can appreciate that everyone on this site is probably wearing Colt-colored-glasses, I think that saying that the Colts will “definitely” win the division is simply living in fantasyland. Until the Colts can either get Bob Sanders on the field or prove that they can stop the run without him, the Titans will continue to present them with serious match-up challenges.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Aug 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

For the record...

…I thought last year’s team was an 8-win team at this time last year.

DannoE

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

by DannoE on Aug 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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