Interesting quote from Peter King regarding 2009 Colts
by Brad Wells on Aug 13, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
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The Colts have a bit of an inferiority complex. For years Indy's been the king of the hill in the conference, along with New England. Now the Patriots, Steelers and Chargers are all seen as their superiors, and the Titans their equals. It's one of those things the players are hit with every day. They feel the outside world thinks time is passing them by, and they've all filed it away as motivation.
I don't know how the Colts would have this kind of complex seeing as they defeated all four of those teams last year, including the Chargers in San Diego and the Steelers in Pittsburgh. And the Colts team this year is vastly superior (talent-wise) to the injury-riddled mess that won 12 games last season.
Also, the Titans lost their best player to free agency (Albert Haynesworth). So, if anyone in the media is claiming they are "equal" with the Colts, that person is, quite simply, a moron. The Titans aren't going to suck or anything in 2009, but they are not a 13 win team anymore. You don't just lose Albert Haynesworth and go "Do-di-do. We'll be OK. Jovan Haye is just as good. La-de-da-de-da." And, let's just be honest, the only reason they won the AFC South last year is because Peyton Manning played the first half of the season on one leg.
And if people think the Patriots are the "superiors" of the Colts, maybe we should point them to Indy's 4-1 record against New England the last five years, including last year's win in at The Luke. Yes, I know Tom Brady did not play, but I'm not one to buy into the hype that Brady is vital for New England to win. The Patriots won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started a game since high school, and they should have made the playoffs had their defense not sucked. Look no further than the Miami Dolphins "Wildcat" game and the New York Jets game in November where Brett Favre threw all over the Patriots' putrid secondary.
Again, this is why people like Peter King should focus less on analyzing football and more on reporting facts. It is just too easy these days to flush Peter's analysis down the toilet.
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Personally
I like being the underdog. I think it is a good motivational tool for the team. I think a not-so-glorifying review is good for the Colts.
P.S. did anyone else see the ball washing of an article that Don Banks did about the Titans. Like they actualy needed even more of an over inflated sense of self.
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by hoosier in sodak on Aug 13, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
Re: Don Banks' piece
I think it will come back to haunt the Titans…remember how EVERYONE loved the Jags last year? Didn’t work out so well for them. I have a strange feeling Titans’ fans are in for a bit of a shock this season.
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by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's not to say that the Titans are going to stink it up this year
because I believe they are, in fact, a good team. But I seriously believe they are overrated a bit.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
I mean PK…but really, what’s the difference?
And aren’t we all used to this by now? This feels like a typical preseason to me. The Colts never get the respect they deserve…and possibly that’s why they hit the ground running every year (with last year the only exception in a long time)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Respect?
I have yet to see anyone’s Power Rankings with the Colts not in the top 5 and typically thats with you ahead of the Titans who did when the division last year. Would you guys prefer everyone say your the best team even though you lost in the 1st Rd of the playoffs last season?
Taylor Mays > Eric Berry
Oh stop whining.
After we won the SB, we were ranked 5th. We’re always ranked 5th. Riddle me this: why is it that the Pats are #1 with Brady coming of ACL/MCL reconstructive surgery?
tbh, my post had nothing to do with the Titans. I really don’t think about them that much.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Banks has us at 10 I believe
And ESPN’s panel has us averaged at 5 with a couple votes lower than 5 I believe
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Not everyone loved the Jags...
In fact I picked them to finish last after their close game with the Titans in Week ONE. Shake can back this up.
(OK, yes, I’m bragging. I rule.)
The Titans are solid from top to bottom and have an exceptional OL. But Kerry Collins won’t play as well as he did last year, the linebackers are getting older, and Haynesworth is gone. They’ll be a ten win team and two tough games for the Colts, but the Colts are the best team in the division, even with question marks on the line.
Agreed.
And btw by “everyone”, I was referring to the MSM. I, personally, will take credit for my prognostication that 2007 was a “fluke” – (so, yes, I rule as much as you – lol)
I completely agree about Collins. Game managing will not be enough this year.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
San Diego
Has kicked us out of the playoffs two years in a row. However, I agree. Had we beaten the Titans in Tennessee, then they wouldn’t have won the division. It’s as simple as that. They’re not “equals” in any means. The Colts own the AFC South, sorry Peter King, but you really should do your homework before you decide to write anything about the NFL.
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I wouldn’t say he didn’t do his homework. He’s not reporting it as fact, simply saying what the perception is. Like it or not, the perception is that the Titans are equals, based on their talent level and placing last year. I don’t think there’s anything unfair about his statement about all 4 of those teams. We may not believe it, but that’s what some Colts players and coaches are using as motivation. Good. It should be helpful.
At least last year
I believe that San Diego didn’t beat us as much as the NFL rules did. That isn’t taking away from what SD did, their D played their best game all season, and our D was dominated. Yet, I find it ridiculous SD got home field advantage just because they won their division. They went freaking 8-8. I believe all division winners should make the playoffs, but home field should go to the team with the better record.
That rule annoys me, but at least there is some logic in it, even though I disagree. I hate the NFL overtime rules more than anything in football (outside the BCS). Basically the winner of the coin toss wins the game. How is that fair? It should be like college in my opinion. The other team should have the opportunity to match.
I don't want to get in an argument over overtime rules,
(that could take all day), but I’d just like to say that I disagree with you on them. I like the overtime rules as they are.
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If they used college overtime rules the games could on forever.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
And who doesn't love extra football?
I would prefer the college rule if the team started at midfield instead of the 25 though.
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"Had we beaten the Titans in Tennessee, then they wouldn't have won the division?"
Excellent logic there. Oh, and if the Titans had beaten the Rams in the Super Bowl, then the Rams wouldn’t have won the Super Bowl. Just so you know.
Last year, the Titans manhandled the Colts in the only meaningful game they played. Sorry if that still hurts, but you simply weren’t the best team in the division, let alone the AFC.
by DoofusOfErasmus on Aug 13, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean the game
where the Titans trailed at end of the 1st, at the half and were tied going into the 4th?
quite the manhandling.
The Titans won that game, that’s obvious and can be taken away from them, but don’t look like a idiot homer by pretending the game wasn’t closely fought.
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you mean,
“and can’t be taken away from them,”?
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some day I’m going to write a post without a typo. It will be a good day.
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It will also be the day when monkeys fall from the sky,
and Bill Simmons professes his undying love for the Colts.
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Politics will be discussed on a sportsblog without creating hurt feelings and personal grudges
The words “Joseph Addai” will be said without everyone duck and covering from the shitstorm of controversy following
A discussion of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady will consist entirely of “They are both amazing HOF caliber QBs”
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A miraculous day indeed.
I hope I’m still alive to witness it.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 14, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad.
You’re right. I should have said “manhandled in the fourth quarter.” Forgive me for not giving you props for your one-point lead at halftime.
As for being an “idiot homer” – sounds like an apt description of someone who thinks that beating the Pats without Brady is an accomplishment while beating the Colts with a gimpy Manning is no big deal.
by DoofusOfErasmus on Aug 14, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like everyone's missing the point
Peter King isn’t saying that these teams are better than the Colts or that the Titans are equals (although he might think that). He is saying that in the national media, these teams are being ranked consistently ahead of the Colts going in to the season. Look at ESPN and CNNSI’s NFL rankings. The Colts are lower than the Pats and Steelers in all of them. And we’re around the same place as the Titans and Chargers in all of them.
Look back at King’s quote and think about what he’s saying. Those teams “are all seen as they’re superiors…they feel the outside world thinks time is passing them by”. Do you really disagree with that? We sit here and complain all the time about not getting respect from the national media, and Peter King is saying the Colts’ players notice the lack of respect. King may or may not agree but this paragraph has nothing to do with his personal opinion on team rankings at the moment.
What is the big deal guys?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Lack of Respect
is a very good motivational tool IMO
"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."
You're absolutely right
I think the whole post was written from a misunderstanding of PK’s comment. True, PK is a supreme dumb ass, but all he was saying is that the Colts are drawing motivation from the consistent lack of respect given the team by the national media.
I actually agreed with his point…and then promptly threw up because I realized that I agreed with him.
What I don't understand is...
The Pats didn’t even make the playoffs last year, yet no one seems to think the Dolphins are their equals. They’re still the freakin’ golden-boys of the NFL for chrissakes!
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by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to forget that the Pats
have the QB with the “molten stare” and “bedroom eyes”
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s not to understand? The Dolphins schedule was even weaker than New England’s, they got freakishly lucky with injuries, and New England has added a great QB to their team this year.
Quality-wise, Miami was an 8-8 team that won 11 games and a tiebreaker. The Pats were a 14-win team with that schedule until they lost their QB. Looking at this year, it’s not insane to expect the Dolphins to regress and the Pats to improve.
Some of the same...
Would then have to be taken into consideration when comparing the Colts to the Titans as well. Such as our #1 player, Peyton, starting the season injured. A rash of other injuries (especially on the O-line), a not-so-easy schedule, the Titans loss of their #1 defensive player in the off-season.
All of these things factor in. The only discernible difference for the Pats over the ‘Phins coming into this season is the return of their starting QB who is recovering from a notoriously hard to recover from knee surgery. Personally, I’m not sold on the inherent dominance of the Pats in the East any more than I am assuming the Colts are going to dominate the South. They both seem equally as iffy to me, but aren’t treated as such in the eyes of the mainstream because, for some reason, they think Tommy-Boy and the Pats have magical wish-granting genies flying out of their asses every time they rub their helmets!
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by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 13, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea where I can get one of those genies?
and what it might cost? And if they take Visa?
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
I thought I said...
They come from Tom Brady’s anus. Still want one? ;)
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by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 13, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm
The media usually picks the previous season’s division champ as the early leader before any games are played. It is respect that has been earned, the Colts will play the Titans early enough in the year to settle this issue regardless….
As far as the Chargers are concerned, any wins the colts have against them are flukes, they present a match up nightmare for us and have consistently beaten us when it ‘s mattered… I don’t want to hear about how we beat them in week 5 or 8 or 10, PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS! are the only thing that matters!!!
Agree
about the playoffs part. Week 8 doesn’t matter….see Colts vs Steelers in 2005.
"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."
He has got one thing right though
The outside world does think we are inferior. but thinking and knowing are two different things
Soooo
you are convinced that the injury to P. Manning was what prevented the Colts from winning the division and beating the Titans, but the injury to Brady was of no consequence because the Patriots won 11 games against a weak schedule in a weak division? Let’s face it, a healthy pro-bowl quarterback is vital to a team’s success.
Let me ask you this, how many of those last five games(4-1 to the Colts) were played in Indianapolis? Besides, i thought we were discussing this year, because if you want to discuss past match-ups I’m not so sure you can make a strong case for the Colt’s domination of the Patriots.
Both quarterbacks are (hypothetically) healthy now. Let’s see what happens this year before we make any decisions about who will dominate who.
Let me ask you this, how many of those last five games(4-1 to the Colts) were played in Indianapolis?
2 of 5, Colts went 2-0 at NE, 2-1 in Indy. Not really a factor.
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
*3 of 5
obviously
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus you could make the same point about the previous 5 years of Patriot domination. The Pats were better, but home field certainly helped them out a bit too.
This year’s game is going to be good. I fully expect these two teams to be 1a/1b this year, even with the tougher schedule for the Pats.
Actually, speaking of schedules, that’s the thing I thought PK was most wrong about. at Arizona, at Miami, and at Buffalo aren’t the slightest bit scary. The weather will suck in Buffalo, yeah, but there’s nothing frightening about the Cards. I don’t care that they were in the Super Bowl. They’re no powerhouse. Miami is an easy bet to fall back to earth this year too.
Hopefully, the weather in Buffalo won't make a difference,
because we have already clinched everything before then.
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Arizona, Miami and Buffalo
I disagree with the Arizona and Miami parts. Those teams are still going to be good and those road games will be tough. If the Colts start 3-0 I will be very happy….
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I don't see the problem in this
Teams have used quotes and media perceptions for motivation for years.
The way I see it, the coaching staff may be using this kind of stuff as a way to get that extra edge and to push this team over the top again.
I like being underdogs.
"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."
This is pure genius. I might come back a dozen times today just to read it.
So, if anyone in the media is claiming they are “equal” with the Colts, that person is, quite simply, a moron.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Love the haranging of Peter King
BTW Peter King reported recently that Tony Ugoh is being replaced at RT…and in the past that President Obama was born of an “African-American father”….though President Obama’s dad is from Kenya…….I guess in PK’s eyes people of African descent everywhere in the world are “African-American.”
This guy REALLY IS a total dumbass….it’s documented….
Also, don’t let up on the stinging sarcasm….you may be becoming to the blogosphere, “like Erich von Stroheim from the movies…the Man You Love to Hate….” (in the words of Val Kilmer, protraying Jim Morrison)….Anyway……
BTW you guys should do a story about ex-jocks who become color commentators….like Sterling Sharpe and the like….these guys are IDIOTS…..Howard Cosell despised the trend that has become LAW in sportscasting….of ex-jocks in the booth…. worthy of a good “content” read….
You’re right, but there’s nothing especially new or edgy about complaining about those morons. Everyone knows they suck, can’t talk, have IQs lower than my dog, and make broadcasts worse. But once in a while there’s a player who can speak english and use his experience to add to the broadcast, and there’s nothing more credible than a guy like that, so they’ll always continue to employ them.
What might be good...
But time consuming, is a parody script featuring Emmitt Smith, Sterling Sharpe, Boomer Esiason, Phil Simms, Cris Collinsworth in the booth. With poorly timed interruptions by Bradshaw and Howie Long. If well done, I bet it would have a healthy viral life across the Net.
Hmm, my work load lightens next week…. any commentators I am missing? Oh, yeah, Joe “I was having dinner with Junior Seau just last night and we were discussing this very point” Theisman. I actually miss him these days. Yikes.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Piling on
Somebody at FO used to do a spoof of the TNT Nitro crew within hours of the late Sunday night game. It was stupendous and ran at least 1,000 words. Easy to be funny when yo have such a receptive audience—my wife, by comparison would get about 10% of the jokes/barbs.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
In my perception, in the long run, after all is said and done with P's career,
These 2009 perceptions will mean Nothing.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
_"I don't know how the Colts would have this kind of complex seeing as they defeated all four of those teams last year"_
really, you’re counting tha last game of the season as a win? the game that we played like a preseason game. the game where our backups were in by the 2nd quarter. whatever helps you sleep at night.
I'M DISRESPECTFUL TO DIRT!! CAN YOU SEE THAT I AM SERIOUS?
GET OUT OF MY WAY, ALL OF YOU. THIS IS NO PLACE FOR LOAFERS. JOIN ME OR DIE. CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?
Meh - you could have said that the year before when the Colts had Jim Sorgi play...
and the Titans beat them because…oh, yeah…the colts already clinched everything.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Besides – the article is not a big deal because whenever someone throws out the disrepect label, the fans are usually the ones who have the inferiority complex.
This story isn't the problem
It’s the months leading up to this story in which King hasn’t bothered to challenge the presumption that the Colts are worse than they were last year. Absolutely nothing would indicate the Colts have gotten worse, only that there are some unknowns concerning the new coach and depth at the WR position. But King continues to repeat whatever the mouth-breathing hacks around him posit as the status quo. There are only 32 teams. I don’t understand how an NFL writer can be so clueless about the particulars. Or, if he hasn’t the time to check the facts, how he can go around making statements about certain teams’ standing in regard to the rest of the league. At the very least ESPN has this right, that the NFL should be covered division-by-division or not at all.
Other complaints against the SI staff, to be discussed when I have less to do: King’s failure to remember any standout play of Marvin Harrison’s that would seal his Hall of Fame credentials. (He’s a journalist. He’s supposed to put things in context by doing research. Even a cursory search of Youtube turns up standout plays. What PK means is that ESPN doesn’t show footage of Harrison scoring touchdowns and doing dances often enough for a moment to stick in Peter’s head.)
Andrew Perloff has made a similar error in regard to Edgerrin James, claiming on the Dan Patrick Show that because Edgerrin James played in a smaller market he’s less deserving of acclaim. Hello, jerkoff, your job as a journalist is to report, that is, do some real work to make accurate comparisons, not simply to conclude that because you see Edge James less, that he’s not as good as whoever is carrying the ball for the Cowboys.
Why is it that journalists seem to think everyone should be doing the job of a journalist but themselves?
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