Best QB in the NFL - Peyton Manning
Now obviously, this is a debate that goes on every single year, every single time the best QB is talked about, and recently, its all come down to who has more hardware. Unfortunately, that is the absolute WRONG way to determine who's the best.
Terry Bradshaw, a 4 time SB winner, couldn't even hold a candle to John Elway, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning. Yet, the man has 4 SB rings. So by most people's view (the kind who say Brady has more rings, he's the better QB), he's a better QB than Manning and Brady together.
Now, there is absolutely no way I can truly believe that. I'm sure that there are tons of others of you out there that feel the same way. Winning the SB is great, being a Champion is every players dream, but this isnt about just winning, this is about being the best.
In the last 12 years, only 5 teams have made more than 1 appearance in the SB. Denver, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and New England. Of those 5, 3 play in the AFC. All 3 of the AFC teams made it to the SB by being a dominating defense who forced turnovers, punts, and sacked the QB with extreme prejudice. The Giants, one of the NFC teams, also played the same way. (The St. Louis Rams had the easiest schedule of any team to play in the SB except the 17-0 Dolphins). They also tended to dominate time of possession as well as score often on turnovers. All 4 of those teams have 1 thing in common, they had a QB who was managing the game. Yes, all 4 of those QB's are capable of putting up numbers, but they didn't need to. They managed the game, played the field as they could, and took advantage of their DEFENSE getting turnovers.
Some of you are saying, well how does that determine the greatest QB? Easy, take the QB out of the equation and what happens to the team? Does the team still make a run at the playoffs, is it still capable of winning on a regular basis? We've all seen the answer in Miami and Denver, where both of those teams have struggled badly ever since the loss of their two HOF QB's, and we've seen it San Francisco since Montana/Young left. That determine's how truly great a QB is. And we've obviously seen it happen in New England, not once, but twice now.
Think about this, when the Patriots made their first SB win, a guy named Drew Bledsoe was their starter for most of the year. He was a Pro Bowler, putting up big numbers, and was generally considered a good QB. He gets hurt, and in comes this nobody and they make a run to the SB. Ironically, they win. Brady is now the superstar. He gets hurt, and in comes this nobody who hasnt started a game since like 1997 when he was in HS. They rip off an 11-5 season and only miss out on the playoffs because their defense fell apart in a few games. Now someone is gonna say well they didn't have Brady...but 16 other teams in the league didnt even have Matt Cassell and couldn't even win 8 games...so that is a moot point.
Now, let's look at Peyton Manning. Without Manning at the helm, the "Indy Colts" had only had 1 QB that had managed to make the playoffs more than once in a row (Captain Comeback!). Since Manning, the Colts have missed the playoffs only twice in his entire career. That's astounding. More to the point, the guy has put up stats that are eyepopping and gaudy. This is a guy who if you took him out of the lineup, the Colts would have been lucky to finish better than last in our division. Sure, we have talent on offense, but it's Manning who makes that work.
Let's take and compare the Colts defenses over the last 10 years to the Patriot's or Steeler's defenses. It's not even a fair match because the Colts defense has been average at best. The two best years of defense that the Colts had? 2007/2008, and ironically, the Colts couldn't capitalize due to a myriad of injuries on offense and defense. It was so bad on defense that Peyton could go out, score a TD, and the defense would turn around and give up a TD in less time than it took Peyton to score one on offense. I mean, the games against Kansas City in the early 2000's and of course Denver...it was just horrible. Now put Manning at the helm of the Steelers or Patriots offense and allow those defenses to work for him. What do you think happens? I guarantee at least 2-3 more rings would adorn Manning's fingers.
Lastly, people are going to say well Manning has all these weapons on offense and HOF players. Let's look at that. Marvin Harrison was in his second season when the Colts drafted Manning. Edge was drafted a year later. Granted, both of those players turned in HOF players who made Manning great, but it wasn't just those guys. Everyone saw what happened to Edge when he went to play in Arizona, with arguably as talented WR's as the Colts. He was not the same player, despite just having rushed for almost 1600 yards his final year as a Colt. Trust me, its far easier to manage a game when your team is averaging 2-3 turnovers on defense per game. Which would you rather have, a top defense and average offense, or a top offense and a 2nd rate defense? I think the answer here is option 1, considering the Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, and Buccaneers would all say that is how they did it.
Before I go, I would like to add that despite my utter hatred of the Cheatriots, I do have a ton of respect for Brady as a QB. The guy is a game manager, and can put his team in place to win on a regular basis. He's easily in the top 3 QB's in the last 15 years. However, I have to put Manning before him because of one simple fact. Brady does not carry his team. Brady has always had a good or above average defense. Manning has always had a subpar or average defense. My comparison is not 100% accurate, but you get the idea. Just want to throw a few stats at you before I click submit.
Who's the winningest QB since 2000? Manning. Who's got the best record since 2000? The Colts. Who's got the most MVP's since then? Manning. The only thing Brady has more of is rings.....and like I said at the start, ring's don't always make you the best.....just means you won..
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Makes sense to me!
Yep, sure does.
Of course, I wouldn’t mind if Peyton got another ring or two so NOBODY could refute his awesomeness!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
he will
believe me. at least one more.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 15, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Great write up
rec’d
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 15, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
It's nice to see that a non-Colt fan
appreciates the best QB in the game today (who will, someday be the best ever.) =-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
lol well it hurts me to see he surpasses Marino
but I’d take Manning over Brady any day. Actually I’d take Manning over anyone (besides Marino, of course) in the history of football. But when our teams play each other this year, I hope Joey Porter and Jason Taylor take Manning, down that is lol.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 15, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
being a colts fan i love manning. but here a few Qbs better than him RIGHT NOW.
Joe Montana
DAN MARINO
Brett Favre
Johnny Unitas
John Elway
These guys had established careers and put up either ridiculous stats (favre marino) or did it all. Superbowls, wins, playoffs, stats (Montana favre unitas) and elway was just a winner. He knew how to win regardless of QB rating and stats and all. Of course, when manning retires he will be the best there ever was. But as of now, consider Marino a top three QB. In a league with Favre and Montana only at this point.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 15, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Peyton>>Favre
In 11 seasons, to Favre’s 18 Peyton already has one more All Pro selection and only one less Pro Bowl.
Peyton’s rate stats destroy Favre, Peyton’s peak years are head and shoulders above Favre’s and he’s well on pace to surpass all Favre’s totals without even having to play as long as Favre. In PFR’s Approximate Value stat Peyton could have the worst year of his career and still pass Favre in career value.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm
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by shake n bake on Aug 15, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
a few things wrong with what you said
1. “he’s well on pace to surpass fall Favre’s totals”. That’s true. But has he passed them yet? No. Favre had a ridiculous iron man streak that i hope manning will break, but there is a lot of time left and you have no idea what will happen. Not to mention he would have to play around 6 or 7 more seasons to break them. We don’t know how long he will play.
2. “Peyton’s peak years are head and shoulders above Favre’s” While that’s true, it’s only his peak years. As much as I agree that Peyton will be the best and he will be consistent until he is done, we don’t know. How do you know that Peyton will be as consistent as favre was? Favre had an 18 td and 18 int season. You never know if peyton will do the same.
Let me just say it again. I think Peyton is better than Favre, just not yet. A lot of this is speculation that Peyton will play another 7 years and be consistent and match at least something close to his career average. My side of the argument is all speculation that Peyton could take a drop soon. Peyton WILL BE BETTER. Just not yet.
Ya Dig?
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 16, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No way in hell does Favre rank in the top 5, let alone top 3 Quarterbacks of all-time
He’s somewhere between #7-10. He had some good years in his career, but the reason why he holds all the passing records is because he played some long. If Peyton is still Peyton for the next five years, he’ll blow those records out the water.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
I have to agree
And I think Manning will probably surpass his consecutive games streak. I don’t care for Favre, I acknowledge he was good but he isn’t in the top five, at least in my opinion.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 16, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see that happen.
But as I have said hundreds of times “YOU NEVER KNOW”. Favre is a top five QB until someone takes his spot or it is proven that he used steroids.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 16, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
So what if he only has the numbers because he played long? He was one tough son of a b*tch. His Ironman streak may never be broken. His stats will be hard, even for Peyton to reach. And like you said “If peyton is peyton”. You never know. And how is he worse than Marino? He was more durable, he had a SB ring and his stats are better. While I agree that Marino was more productive, it’s pointless to argue that anyone is better than him, other than Montana and Johnny U.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 16, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no no no
take Favre off that top five lol
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 16, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you everyone except Favre.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 16, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 16, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
p.s.
We gonna kick yo’ ass! :)
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 15, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lol we will see
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You better knock on wood...
Some of us (cough, cough) older Colts fans remember not too long ago when the Porpoises used to be like Colts kryptonite. Back in the day we’d have trouble beating the Fish if someone handed us a club and a detailed diagram. ;) So don’t jinx us whippersnapper.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 17, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way guys
For Favre fans like me, seeing all of this just makes us like him more. Favre has always been criticized and hated on. “He only had one super bowl”. “He couldn’t make up his mind”. “He throws as many picks and touchdowns”. The fact that through all of this he was the toughest quarterback ever in the NFL and he continued to win, that’s just amazing. Don’t hate on Favre.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 16, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
saying pointing out flaws in your argument
makes you just believe in it more strongly is a pretty good way to get written off as irrational.
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by shake n bake on Aug 16, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to love Favre.
UNTIL that whole tantrum he pulled last offseason. I really lost alot of respect for him.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Please keep in mind...
That this article was more about the current NFL situation, not the past. I would not in anyway put Peyton ahead of guys like Montana, Marino, or Elway YET, as he is still playing.
However, to put Favre in the same category as those guys is unrealistic. Marino played with far less talent than Favre ever did, and won very consistently I might add with mediocre WR’s and RB’s…. In fact, most of Marino’s career was the polar opposite of Manning’s: good players on defense, and mediocre to average on offense. Granted, he still put up the numbers, but that’s a testament to the player Marino was.
As for the comments about Favre being the Iron Man, consider that in Peyton’s entire career, he’s missed a total of about 4 plays to injury. He’s also #1 in career starts from beginning of the career and second only to Favre in consecutive starts at the QB position. Not bad for a guy who they said had a gimpy knee when he was drafted over Ryan Leaf. Only 3 QB’s have started over 100 consecutive games at QB since like 1983….and that would be Brady, Favre, and Manning. (Marino might be 4th, but not sure).
Favre is indeed one of the greatest QB’s to ever play the game, but he’s not cracking the top 5 period….in fact, if I only used guys who are retired, he’d still be outside the top 5…
Montana, Elway, Unitas, S. Young, and Marino….and SB’s wins (which this whole post is about making irrelevant) is the reason why. Otherwise, you’d drop Unitas and Marino and add Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw…..
I want QB’s who are down right lethal when they have their hands on the ball, and Favre is not that. He is not someone who ever struck fear into the opposing defense when its 2 minutes on the clock and he had the ball. Manning has done that, and still does that. Marino did it, Montana did it, Young did it, but Favre??? They just waited to see if he’d sling it for an INT…
BTW – I am an avid Colts fan and still have mad respect for Favre. The guy is a testament to the grit a QB needs and an inspiration to play the game to the max. However, even in his prime, he was not Manning’s equal…
I agree with everything you said except
having respect for Favre, I never did. He just wasn’t a quarterback that I could say I respected. And he only made it worse with his wanting to go back to Green Bay, the going to New York, then retiring again, then wanting to go to Minnesota, then retiring again…..you know the story.
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