2009 NFL Pre-season: Colts 23-Eagles 15
Pre-season is pre-season. It's long, slow, and likely full of a lot of bad football. But, after two open thread and well over 1,000 comments, I think it is fair to say that we are starving just a little bit for some footballin'!
We'll have a more thorough breakdown of this "slug fest" in the Luke, but in a nutshell, the Colts looked damn good Thursday night. The offense looked crisp, especially the running game. The defense was active and stout against the run. Dwight Freeney laid a wicked spin move on a back-up Philly tackle en route to a tackle and forced fumble on Donovan McNabb. Reggie Wayne caught a long TD pass, and in the process put his own "you've been pwned" move on outstanding Eagles safety Quintin Mikell.
Biggest concern from the game? Charlie Johnson. He looked awful at LT. The longer Jim Caldwell keeps Johnson at LT, and more inept and ridiculous Caldwell will look in the eyes of fans. Tony Ugoh played better than Johnson again tonight. If this trend continues and Ugoh is not named the starter by Kickoff Weekend, then I will have some serious doubts about Jim Caldwell's competence.
But, overall tonight, the team looked good. Thanks for commenting so much tonight, folks. Go Colts!
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Definitely a great time
I would recommend joining the live threads to all of you non-nerds as well.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Best live thread for me was...
Even though the Colts lost the game, the live thread in 2007 for the Chargers game in SD was awesome. Manning throws 6 INTs. Freeney breaks his foot. Refs blow Tomlinson’s fumble, which was run back by Clint Session for a TD. Manning wills Colts to almost win the game… until Adam Vinatieri shanks a gimme FG. Still, depsite lal the disasters, the live thread was amazing. Best ever, IMHO.
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I so wanted to
but got home late and was never up to live football… didn’t want to ruin any surprises by reading ahead!
How can you not love a team that does this?
Way.....
Better showing this week. I feel MUCH better now. +1 on putting Ugoh back. Manning sacked four times in two games. How often does that happen? Once every never.
Ugoh Not Better
As much as I hated watching Charlie Johnson whiff time after time on blocks, Tony Ugoh wasn’t much better. Ugoh had two penalties and missed numerous assignments.
I’m not an expert by any means, but, to my eyes, Johnson looks better run blocking while Ugoh looks better in pass protection.
Let’s hope they both improve in each area, but what do you think the chances are of Polian making a trade? Will anyone be out there worth trading for?
by MileHighHoosier on Aug 20, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Ugoh didn't get the QB hit
he didn’t look great, but he wasn’t bad (CJ was)
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 20, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Both looked kind of weak. Ugoh didn’t allow the sack, but in his first (or second, was it?) drive, he had 2 quick penalties. Not good. And he flat out fell over on another play.
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Thats the look of a CHAMPION…Hes so focused
by coltsfan723 on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that Manning Peyton?
That’s what my mom said when Kurt was interview Peyton on the sidelines,lol. She is a very casual football fan. The only other NFL players she knows are Favre, Vick, and T.O. because of their media coverage and reality shows.
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
SUPER-MANNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That look says it all. That’s his “I’m the Sheriff around here” look, and I’m gonna go out and kick your asses.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
The play action pass is back, y'all!!!
I was so excited when Peyton made that play action pass to Clark (I think) for like 20 yards. When Peyton can use play action, then you know the passing and running game is on point.
Charlie sucks, but Ugoh wasn’t that great either. He did have a few penalties, but he did play better than CJ, IMO.
The 1st string defense looked sharp as well ( Even though the Eagles had one 1 starter out there on the O-line). That sack/strip by Freeney was AWESOME!!! They made some good stops on 3rd down. Hopefully the defense play will translate into the regular season.
Is it me or does the special teams punt/kickoff coverage looks the same as last year’s?
Anyway, it was a great game being the pre-season. I can’t wait for September 13th!!!
"Peyton Manning flow, I just go no huddle."
- Lil' Wayne, Put Some Keys on That
Yeah but at least
Rushing had one good return
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Aug 21, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Play action and stretch play!!
WOO-HOO!! This looks like the team I’m used to seeing. That quick strike to Reggie was freakin awesome!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 21, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugoh > Johnson
I definitely agree that Ugoh is a better option than Johnson, but he definitely didn’t inspire a whole lot of confidence. Oh how I long for the days of Tarik Glenn!
by MileHighHoosier on Aug 20, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Your overlooking...
the difference between Left Tackle and Right Guard. There’s a big difference in how you react, read, and even handle blocking assignments. The guy has played this position for what…3 weeks? Meanwhile, he’s been a LT for most of his career….
I’m not saying Ugoh is great, just saying the guy isnt a guard, and it shows…
charlie johnson
oh how i loathe the. that piss poor pass block just before manning took a fall is the Standard Charlie Johnson Pass Block – - tiny shuffle, tiny shuffle, whiff on the rush. oh and thanks for standing around like an oaf for 3 seconds while the ball was loose.
by Rocky Top Manning on Aug 21, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
yep
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Aug 21, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wake up
Ugoh was horrible tonight. And he took a step back probably in the coaches eyes. Until he shows more consistency and growth he will NOT start. He often has has setbacks all the time. Until those stop, he is in the doghouse.
And this is probably a Mudd decision as well.
Also, the starting o line tonight outside of one play was not that bad. You will focus on that one play since you want another excuse to bash CJ since somehow everyone thinks Ugoh is that good. Let the line gel a little. They did OKAY for their first game this year.
Were we watching the same game??
Did you not see the guy blow right by CJ and then did you see the ball look at him and shout “here I am grab me!!” and just looked at it?? CJ was terrible. Ugoh will be the starting LT when the season begins if not before
Let me get this straight
You watched our starting offense tonight and thats it? You want to harp on 1 play? 1? 1 play when this is the first time this unit is out there on the field starting together? 1 play where Peyton threw flawlessly and we actually ran the ball? 1 play against a very good Eagles defense?
Listen, I am rooting for Ugoh. But he is half assing it out there and sick of making excuses for him. He is up one week, down the next. And he has been like this for 2 seasons. Tonight was a joke for him. Watch it over without biasness. He was horrible. And honestly I think the team was hoping to see more fight in him. He has to have a stellar final 2 games this preseason.
I found it interesting that a few weeks ago Mudd commented on how the o line needs to get back on track and he mentioned the veteran guys who know what it takes to win a SB. He mentioned Saturday, Lilja, Diem and CJ.
In order for Ugoh to get his job back he needs to show more fight and consistency. He did not care tonight at all.
Watch the game over
Despite the sack given up CJ was better then Ugoh tonight. And an o line usually takes many weeks to gel but Ugoh showed how lazy he was tonight again.
An educated football fan can see this. Don’t let your bias for CJ cloud your judgement. This blog is always doing it. Don’t play favorites. Just watch it and see how bad Ugoh was tonight.
He was bad. It’s a fact.
+1
CJ is the new whipping boy I guess!! Ugoh played badly. CJ played better. By reading the OP and some of the others here you would think that Ugoh is an all pro or something. Last night I saw a guy looking like he might not make the team for christ sakes. Ugoh has all the talent…he needs to step up and take the job from CJ. It will not be given to him no matter how much the OP or posters on this site blather!!
I don't have a dog in this race
As I’ve not seen either pre-season game and have no strong feelings for CJ or Ugoh.
But shouldn’t you consider that maybe your bias toward CJ or against Ugoh is clouding your judgement? Aren’t you playing favourites?
by eltharion_doa on Aug 21, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
I (and I assume the other writers) are just giving our opinions on what we saw from the game.
He was bad. It’s a fact.
It’s an opinion. One that all the people not saying it don’t share.
It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.
by shake n bake on Aug 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
CJ supporters
Everyone supporting CJ out here keeps saying it was one play rewatch the tape he got Manning hit two other times and one was not pretty. I am sorry any other QB thats three sacks. Ugoh may not be the solution he has the potential but CJ has no business being out there at all. 14 pass plays 1 sack 2 pressure/ QB hits. Tell me thats what you guys want to be watching all season, hell I could do a better job.
I seriously doubt you could do a better job...
even in jest…that is a dumb statement. Ugoh needs to take the job..not have it handed to him. And darn right..I am a CJ supporter. He is nothing more than the current whipping boy…the next Rob Morris. Ultimately we have to deal with this situation because Ugoh is not playing up to level…meaning CJ has to come in and play a position he shouldn’t .
The coaches aren't inept, they have a bad situation to deal with
Charlie Johnson is not a starting LT in this league. He got beat badly by NFL starting caliber DEs.
But this doesn’t mean that Ugoh is the answer and that the coaches are inept for leaving him out. Did you watch that game? He was getting worked by the 4th stringers. He was making tons of mental errors. His guy was constantly in the back field disrupting the plays.
Once again BigBlueShoes extreme hyperbole, makes him look inept, not the coaches.
Rob Morris please
Rob morris was not a whipping boy he played terrible for years, partially the coaches fault he was put in the wrong position, but he played poorly either way. Have you ever played a sport at a high level college or pro. I played basketball in college and when you are having to make up for poor defense by your teamates it can make you look bad because you are trying to help. I know twice when Ugoh was in at left tackle the gaurd beside him had the DT beat him and Ugoh had to help once he made the right choice and the other time he didnt. When he is in there with backups you have to understand the entire time you are worring about what the man beside you is going to do. Is the gaurd going to pick up the right assignment is the running back going to chip if you let your man by to help. I saw this going on numerous times.
Im not saying that Ugoh is the tackle of the future by any means, i do think he could possibly replace DIEM when the time comes, however he is better than CJ. CJ got blowwn by on three of 14 pass plays. If they were serious about him being the left tackle they would be letting him get more reps. Ugoh may not be the answer but there is no way that CJ should be playing over him. Our tightends look better blocking on the edge.
Ha
you playing basketball in college does not impresss. I raced bicycles internationally in the 80’s…so what. Funny you bring up Morris and making up for poor play by teammates. Most of the Morris bashing was done because he WAS trying to make up for poor (out of position) play by teammates. It was always the fault of Rob Morris.
By the freakin way…CJ is just coming off an injury. Ugoh is still suffering from lazy ass!!!
Bicycling hahahahha
Racing bicycles does not translate into a sport where you have to think on you feet and know what the other person is gonna do man you are stretching. Anyways Morris was the one everyone was having to make up for when he was at middle linebacker. He was not a leader to start with, you middle linebacker needs to be the heart of the defense until he could go out and just play and not think about what he was doing he didnt cut it. I loved Rob Morris but he was by no means a middle linebacker in the NFL. Your probally one of thos people that love manning so much he can do no wrong.
Yea and playing basketball
means nothing in terms of football either. Shit, I played high school basketball and know it is totally different than football. I never said cycling meant anything..quite the opposite. The point being that Morris took the brunt of the “sucky defense” talk…this is fact as most here will agree. Sorry you don’t. Actually, we may have more in common than you know…I definitely am not one of those manning people!!! I call manning out very often. He is a great player..but definitely not infallable. At least my handle isn’t “manning is god” or something.
Lastly, I do take offense to the shot at cycling. You obviously have no idea of the sport and the time that goes into it. Ride 6-8 hours daily for a week or so and get back to me. It is also much more of a team sport than is realized…but that is neither here nor there.
Since you have pegged me as one of those Manning guys…let me peg you as a frustrated jock that couldn’t make it. About as accurat as your guess about me I would presume.
No putting cycling down
It is not the same type of sport, but that does not mean I have no respect for it. Same with running a marathon something I have great respect for that takes a huge commitment as well but it is a different type of sport. Thos sports involve getting through the mental fatigue, which I can’t do when I just go for a run It drives me crazy. I played in college for fun I knew that a 6’4" white guy wasnt gonna make it anywhere past college. I actually regret playing because I had better academic oportunities.
I will agree with you that the blame was placed on Morris, more than should have been that is why I said the coaches had him playing the wrong position not his fault. I just dont see CJ or Ugoh as the answer which I doubt you do but I think Ugoh has a better shot at keeping Manning healthy if he can stay healthy.
Fair enough...
We are Colts fans brother!! No fighting…lets hope it all comes out in the preseason and the best player gets the spot. We all want the same thing!!!
Go Colts!!
I know
that the “Yay Ugoh! Boo Johnson!” philosophy is the cool thing to say around here, but after last night, those of you saying that are either in denial or just really hate Johnson. Johnson looked mediocre at best last night and got owned by the Eagles DE who put Peyton on his back. I literally said right before that play, “You know Charlie hasn’t looked all that bad tonight.” Jinx. After the sack, I was like, okay, you got us Jim, the experiment and motivational tactic is over. Put in Ugoh.
Then Ugoh gets in. This is his time. Charlie just about got peyton killed, and Ugoh had to capitalize. And what does he do? Absolutely nothing. Provides average protection against the second team D and gets flagged for a bunch of stupid penalties. In other words, HE LOOKED AWFUL. Worse than CJ. He costs us plenty of yards against a weaker unit, and everyone is calling for Charlie’s head. Yet Ugoh gets the benefit of the doubt.
It is still my opinion Johnson sucks and Ugoh is better (and yes, he 100% should start at LT). I think last night’s performance was a fluke, but it also makes me very pessimistic about our left side. We have one guy who at his best, is mediocre. And the other guy with loads of talent and potential, is a 5-10 yard penalty waiting to happen, and I have yet to see the intensity everyone seems to say he has in him. All I know is one of them better step up to the plate. I hate to be so negative after such a great performance by the first team O, but the LT tackle seems to have no happy ending in sight, regardless of the starter.
I'm getting a little tired of all the Ugoh/Johnson angst around here.
I think we’ve talked it to death. For pre-season, I thought the game was a success. The Peyton lead offense put on a great show. It was exciting and well executed. Freeney gave us a thrill, and Peyton took advantage of a blown coverage with a perfect strike. He gave the fans something we really needed, a reason to cheer and good look at why he was MVP last year. GO COLTS!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
Well put.
Just be grateful it isn’t the Addai argument. =-)
Addai looked pretty damn good to me, actually. That says something about the line.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 21, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks PTB
That catch of Addai’s on the sideline was monster considering the coverage he got. And it felt good to see 2 ex Patriots look bad, Samuels and Hobbs.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

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