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Colts v. Lions Preseason Review: Odd Flashbacks

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford (9) is sacked by Indianapolis Colts defensive end Marcus Howard during the third quarter of an exhibition NFL football game Saturday, Aug. 29, 2009 in Detroit. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

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2 months ago: Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford (9) is sacked by Indianapolis Colts defensive end Marcus Howard during the third quarter of an exhibition NFL football game Saturday, Aug. 29, 2009 in Detroit. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

Was I the only one who had flashbacks to last season during this game?  The way the Lions controlled the clock, the stuffed runs, the way Peyton had to carry the team.  It was scary.  Thankfully it is just the preseason and this team should look great in the regular season.  If they would lose to the Lions in the regular season I would freak out.  I think the Lions are definitely improved and could have a very good offense with Stafford, Jones and Johnson.  Their defensive line isn't very good though.  In fact, it's pretty terrible.  Their defense could keep them from not having a top 5 pick this year.  Here are some of my thoughts on the game.

~Peyton Manning looked like I expect him to in the regular season.  I love to see Peyton take the Colts down the field to score.  It is one of those special things in life.

~I have been very harsh to Curtis Painter.  The "Out with the old, in with the new" speak around here has irritated me.  Sorgi is a good backup QB and it seems like people are trying to force him out for the new guy.  However, Painter was very good today.  He made some great throws.  Obviously the interception was not his fault.  It showed why the Colts drafted him.  I still don't see him making the 53 man roster though.

~The running game wasn't good today.  It looked like the right side of the line was letting the Lions get to the runner right at the line of scrimmage.  Although Charlie Johnson is starting at left tackle, I'm more worried about the left side of the line.  Mike Pollak really needs to have a good year or else he will lose his starting job.  It's that simple.  Charlie Johnson and Jamey Richard both can be very good guards, and Pollak needs to earn his spot.

~John Matthews sucks.  He is disgracing the holy number 83.  Any number that graced the great Brandon Stokley should only be worn by players who can actually catch a football.  I propose that John Matthews is cut and Austin Collie takes the number 83.  The number 83 goes to players I like.  I do not like Matthews.  I like Collie.  My favorite Colt ever cannot have his number be worn by someone who cost the Colts a game.

~The pass blocking was very good today for the most part.  I'd say it was better than the first two games.  The Lions only had two sacks.  One was on a great defensive play by Julian Peterson on a stunt blitz.  No one was going to stop that.  Charlie Johnson looked pretty good today as did Jamey Richard and Kyle DeVan.

~No chance Steve Justice earns a spot on the 53 man roster.  DeVan was very good today and of course Jamey Richard and Mike Pollak could play center if necessary.  Justice was terrible last year and was a big time miss by Polian.

~I didn't notice Ugoh in this game.  I can't say if he played good or bad.  Of course not noticing him probably means that he played okay but not great or not terrible.  I still want him starting at left tackle.  There is no need to leave that kind of talent on the bench to prove a point or what not.  If they really wanted to push Ugoh they should have drafted a left tackle early.  Good thing the 2010 draft looks like it is loaded at offensive tackle.

~Marcus Howard is fast.  His sack on Matt Stafford looks like something he would do to Colt Brennan.  If Colt Brennan is ever committed it would definitely be because of Marcus Howard.  I wish the 'Skins and the Colts would play in the preseason again.

~Overall the defensive tackles played pretty well.  I still think Fili Moala is going to be a great pro.  He just needs a little more strength.  His burst off of the line is phenomenal and he draws double teams.  I would not be opposed to playing him as a nose tackle because of his ability to draw double teams.  I'm looking forward to seeing him progress.

~Ed Johnson dressed but didn't play.  I firmly believe that it was to prepare for the Jacksonville game.  He's suspended for it, so why play him?  It's obvious that the Colts couldn't give a crap about preseason.  Muir and Antonio Johnson will be the starting defensive tackles for Week One with Moala and Eric Foster getting a lot of playing time.  Adrian Grady and Terrance Taylor will also be on the roster.  So many defensive tackles, too little roster spaces.

~Why did they re-sign Freddy Keiaho?  He can't play middle linebacker as we saw today.  It's pretty clear that Ramon Humber and Mike Tauiliili are better players.  Tauiliiiiiiili played great today.  His goal line stops were things of beauty.  To be honest I think this is more of a competition between Humber and the guy with 50 "i"s in his name with the "loser" going on the practice squad.  These guys appear to be future Polian gems.

~Jamie Silva is good.  He's a mad man out there.  He always goes to jack players up.  I wouldn't feel great about that when it is Maurice Jones-Drew coming at him, but it is very fun to watch.  He's got to make the final roster, doesn't he?  I would be very surprised if he got cut.  I would much rather see him on the roster over Matt Giordano.

~Jerraud Powers was a nice find by Polian.  I'd say that Powers was the most criticized pick on draft day.  He was taken a couple of rounds higher than he was projected, but it was worth it if someone else was going to take him.  I'm not a fan of small corners and I never will be, but Powers can be the exception to the "Small corners aren't ideal in the Cover-2" rule.  Tim Jennings shouldn't make the roster if you ask me.  Watching him go up against Calvin Johnson was comical.  Tim Jennings looked like he is 16 inches shorter than Megatron Johnson.

~I'm almost certain that Pat McAfee could punt the ball over the Cowboys video board.  He looks like a future Pro Bowl punter.  He is going to have a great net punting average.

~The return game isn't going to be very good at all.  Hopefully they will cover it in the 2010 draft (Perrish Cox!)

New roster prediction after the jump.

Star-divide

Quarterbacks
Peyton Manning
Jim Sorgi

Running Backs
Joseph Addai
Donald Brown
Mike Hart
Lance Ball

H-Back
Gijon Robinson
Jacob Tamme

Wide Receiver
Reggie Wayne
Anthony Gonzalez
Austin Collie
Pierre Garcon

Tight End
Dallas Clark
Tom Santi

Left Tackle
Tony Ugoh
Charlie Johnson

Left Guard
Ryan Lilja
Jamey Richard

Center
Jeff Saturday
Kyle DeVan

Right Guard
Mike Pollak

Right Tackle
Ryan Diem

Left End
Robert Mathis
Keyunta Dawson
Marcus Howard

Under Tackle
Ed Johnson
Fili Moala
Eric Foster
Adrian Grady

Nose Tackle
Antonio Johnson
Daniel Muir
Terrance Taylor

Right End
Dwight Freeney
Raheem Brock

SAM Linebacker
Philip Wheeler
Tyjuan Hagler

MIKE Linebacker
Gary Brackett
Mike Tauiliili

WILL Linebacker
Clint Session
Jordan Senn

Cornerback
Kelvin Hayden
Marlin Jackson
Jerraud Powers
Tim Jennings
Dante Hughes

Free Safety
Antoine Bethea
Jamie Silva
Matt Giordano

Strong Safety
Bob Sanders
Melvin Bullitt

Kicker
Adam Vinatieri

Punter
Pat McAfee

Long Snapper
Justin Snow

Practice Squad
QB Curtis Painter
WR Taj Smith
WR Sam Giguere
OL Jaimie Thomas
OL Tom Pestock
DL Rudolph Hardie
LB Ramon Humber
DB Jacob Lacey

I will say that I was struggling with the 53rd spot.  It was down to Taj Smith (for special teams purposes), Dan Federkeil, Adrian Grady, Ramon Humber and TJ Rushing, but I went with the player that I thought had the most potential and could make the bigger impact.  That was Adrian Grady.  Yes, I know that 12 defensive linemen is a lot, but all 12 of those guys are either very good or have the potential to be very good.  I have no problem with four wide receivers with Dallas Clark and Jacob Tamme being able to line up at wide receiver.  Yes, it is very scary to only have eight offensive linemen, but the dropoff after those eight is tremendous.  With Thomas and Pestock on the practice squad and Federkeil most likely being able to be signed at some point (probably after the CFL season if he is cut), I'm not too worried.  If four offensive linemen get injured in a single game, then I don't think the Colts were destined to win that game anyways.  I feel like these are the 53 best Colts.  This should be the roster.

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my changes

In
Painter
Federkeil
Rushing
CuJo

Out
Hughes
DeVan (they already have 3 guys who can play center so I’d rather have another guy that can play tackle)
Silva
Grady

Position Swap
Tamme the backup TE, Santi backup H-Back

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Aug 29, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 QBs on active rosters?

I doubt it. Sorgi will be the backup this season, Painter on the practice squad being the backup next season.

by MarkFive05 on Aug 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Other than it simply being an unsafe place to keep a good back up because someone else will more than likely pick him up.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 31, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's it.

That’s the reason.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I don't want this guy to get anywhere near me.

by Cassieper on Aug 31, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why people keep saying this

They have said publicly ever since the draft that they’d carry 3 QBs this year. The only way they won’t is if they decide Painter can beat Sorgi out.

by willyduer on Aug 29, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did you read that about keeping 3 QB's?

I don’t recall ever hearing them say that, must have missed it. Anyway, I’m starting to think they should keep Painter. I’ve seen a huge improvement in him in a short time. I kinda like his style.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino

by Indy Lori on Aug 30, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I heard that too

but I just don’t understand the reasoning behind it. If Manning goes down, we are screwed either way. Sorgi is a backup and really no better than that. Painter would be a fine backup, but why would we groom him to be “the next backup” for the future?

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about Hughes now

I have always wanted him to be a good player, but he is one of those guys that I would characterize as a “doesn’t get it” guy. He doesn’t seem to have it between the ears. I don’t especially love Jennings either, but at least he has shown playmaking ability in the past.

I am still split about whether Painter should fill Sorgi’s spot or not. Painter has good potential, but really, do any of these guys inspire any confidence that they could lead the team in case of emergency?

Curtis Johnson would not make the final 53 if it was up to me.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I would feel pretty good with Painter

And I would really like to see what Sorgi could do with the first team O…if he could ever be healthy when it was his time to play. And THAT is why we have Painter – because Sorgi alway seems to be injured when we need him to play.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 31, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How sad is it that a guy who rarely plays is constantly injured? The Colts need to kick Sorgi to the curb once and for all.

by KingRichard on Aug 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would replace

Out:
Silva
Muir
Hughes
Dawson

In:
Painter
Lacey
Rushing
cujo

by metal_militia on Aug 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Muir

Muir has potential, but why does he keep jumping offsides? How hard can it be as NT to just watch for the ball to be snapped directly in front of your face and not jump before that? He should know better.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curtis Johnson.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I don't want this guy to get anywhere near me.

by Cassieper on Aug 31, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem.

Glad to help.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I don't want this guy to get anywhere near me.

by Cassieper on Aug 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction...
Although Charlie Johnson is starting at left tackle, I’m more worried about the left side of the line.

“right”, right?… I don’t think we’ll keep 12 D-linemen, specially when Keyunta Dawson and Raheem Brock can play DT in an emergency… I liked bamock’s prediction of Taylor going to the PS, or Adrian Grady could go there too. I didn’t see Eric Foster playing that much, he might be getting cut. Also, we could keep Adrian Grady, for example, for one more week and then cut him-PS because Big Ed is out for week 1 (suspension)

Go Colts!

by fpacheco on Aug 29, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I hate to say it, Taylor probably would be better off going to the practice squad instead of Grady. Grady is more of an impact player when he is in the game than Taylor is. I still love Taylor and think he can be a good player in this league, but he needs more time to polish his skills.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor

Would be picked up before he got near the practice squad.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Aug 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings

He actually did a half-decent job on Megatron. He covered the deep ball really well.

by slash196 on Aug 30, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you for admitting painter is better than you first originally thought. sorgi needs to go. he is pitiful. painter needs to be the backup and I think he is more than capable. although I was not able to see the game yesterday I saw him play against the eagles and was impressed for being his first year. I think he is a very capable backup

hit the road sorgi

the offensive line is going to be our achilles heel again. it will, like you said, effect the run game more than the passing game because peyton is peyton and any other average qb , minus the likes of brees, rotheislburger, and a few others would be sacked on almost every throwing play. but we need this line to start run blocking effectively again.

mcAfee is going to be awesome. I always thought hunter the punter was just average and unlike most fans here I thought he needed to be replaced. thrilled with the replacement. as we know from the san diego and tennessee game…one great punt OR TWO could change a game completely

by kinnickcolt on Aug 30, 2009 5:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 about Hunter

I also thought he was overrated. McAfee will be a better punter than Smith was and as long as he doesn’t eff up any important holds for Vinatieri we will all have forgotten about Hunter Smith in a couple years. I’m glad people are finally coming around to that.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorgi will not get cut

He is a better quarterback than Curtis Painter right now. Maybe not in the future when Sorgi is old, but Sorgi is a better quarterback. He has always played well when he gets a chance in the regular season. He has to know the system inside and out. Painter is a rookie who was mediocre in college and has had one good game in preseason. Sorgi won’t get re-signed after his contract is up most likely and that is where Curtis Painter steps in. Painter has not earned a roster spot and in no way is he capable of beating out Jim Sorgi.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But I think we can all agree as far as potential goes, Painter has much more potential then Sorgi. Granted this is only preseason, but from what we have seen of Painter is that he is mobile, makes good reads, and has a strong arm. Remember last year Cassel was a mediocre QB in college but stepped his game up when he had to. I could see Painter in that role based on the Colts strong coaching and stellar receiving core. I’m hoping he makes the team.

by jantz101 on Aug 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your roster, CH

I think I would have picked the same 53 players.

The only problem with Sorgi is that he’s getting a little old himself.
What do you Sorgi bashers expect from a back-up, another Peyton Manning waiting in the wings? He’s quite capable as an emergency back-up, but he’ll never be starter material, how many back-ups in this league are?
If they released him it wouldn’t bother me, though, now that Painter is showing some potential, I just don’t understand the hostility.
Painter does have more potential, and he has plenty of time to develop.

by HoosierHorseman on Aug 30, 2009 6:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Two Words

Gus Frerrotte (sp?) – is he still available or did someone pick him up?

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorgi won't get cut

If that happened, he would immediately be signed by Jacksonville. He knows everything there is to know about this offense and the Jags have no reliable backup. They would have more inside info for the first real game of the year than the Hoodie ever did with cameras.

by coltus on Aug 30, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

 Sorgi won’t get cut this year. But, I think if painter has 1 year in the Colts sytem, Sorgi is in trouble next year

by dkloster3 on Aug 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Colts Homer

I read every one of your bullet points and nodded my head, agreeing with every single one of them. I especially agree with your initial point about long, time consuming drives and of course with the Keiaho remarks.

I still don’t think the entire defense is on the same page yet. That is, when the LBs are showing blitz, or we bring a safety or corner blitz, I would expect a little tighter coverage than we give. The added pressure on the QB does nothing if he still has 10 yards of cushion on the side to throw to whoever he choses to make a big 3rd and long conversion again. I know it’s still preseason, AND it was mostly backups yesterday, but they should be rounding into regular season form by now. I am at a 3 or 4 out of 10 on the nervous scale right now.

Keiaho is a bad MIKE. There is no way to sugarcoat this. He is bad in coverage, does not give the effort to make up for his shortcomings, and doesn’t have enough size or open field tackling ability to make up for it either. Taulilili has more potential and seems to have a mean streak in him which we need. I also like Humber because he makes plays and he is usually around the ball unlike Keiaho who is typically blocked out of the play at the onset or running towards the pile after the play is already over.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Painter

The Colts will keep him. But if they don’t, why does anyone think he won’t make it through waivers? Which team is desperate for a third string rookie QB?

Agree with the Hughes comments, he’s had more than his share of chances. If he’s our 5th CB, we’re in trouble. TJ gets that spot. Hall starts the season on PUP, probably keep Simpson.

by smonroe on Aug 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the D line needed to get down to 10, who would get cut?

I know we have alot of Eric Foster fans here, but he would be one of my players who will get from CH’s roster and from the Colts in general. He hasn’t shown me that he can get to the QB at all, which I thought is what he’s suppose to do. I like his attitude and work ethic, but a fellow UDFA in Grady has impressed me more than Foster. I don’t see the point in putting Grady on the PS when he’s been playing better than Foster in my opinion. Next, I would have to say either Terrance Taylor or Daniel Muir. I like the risk on putting Taylor to the PS and keeping Muir. But that’s a risk that could backfire if a team picks up Taylor though. I like the versatility that Brock and Dawson bring in that they can play outside but in a heartbeat play the UT position and still be effective. This could limit the need for Foster.

My Answer: Foster and Taylor

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Aug 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who to replace?

The current roster displayed by Colts Homer looks really good, but is thin on the Oline. With injuries to Lilja and Saturday last year, Diems injury history, Pollaks and Richards youth, and DeVans inexperience, I think another versatile/veteran player on the line is needed. I think Dan Federkeil can come in and be a reliable backup. I think he played some LT yesterday and obviously can play guard, I think he could be a realible/needed backup veteran to help the line. I would also add T.J Rushing to the team for ST purpose, but also can add reliable depth at the CB position. He obviously looks the most explosive retuning punts and kickoffs and has some playmaking ability with that speed of his.

Answer: Federkeil and Rushing

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Aug 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor won't get cut

The team drafted him knowing that he wouldn’t make an impact this season. He won’t see the field that much. He is a major project. If they cut him, he is gone. He will get signed before he could make it to the practice squad and it would have been a wasted pick. I would definitely cut Grady before Taylor. Grady would definitely make it to the practice squad. Taylor wouldn’t.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Aug 30, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope so

Polian made comments regarding Moala that he really wouldn’t be effective in this system until the end of this year at the earliest because the DT position is a tough transition from college to the NFL. You have to think he feels the same way about Taylor.

Since a guy like Brock is on the back half of his career, Moala is likely being groomed to take over his future starting spot. Taylor should be kept and can hopefully be coached into a solid NT over time.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

I like Grady too. He has good size and strength and makes plays. Granted it is the preseason but I like his potential. I am afraid that Foster may be in trouble but they may keep him because of his experience level.

"I'm looking for Ray Finkle....and a clean pair of shorts."

by AceOfSpades on Aug 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way off on Justice

You’re way off on Justice. He filled in nicely as a rookie last year and is performing well this preseason. He’ll be on the 53 man roster despite what one blog says, which leads to what another blog says ,.. and gets regurgitated to your blog.

by acoltfollowing on Aug 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Heh...

Wow. For whatever it is worth, I have watched each game multiple times, all of them are saved on my DVR. I don’t know Colt Homer personally, and frankly we disagree on a number of things concerning the roster and probably even the performance of players in the game. However, we both saw that Steve Justice has looked bad this preseason. I don’t even know the opinions of anyone else.

So… there’s a group of 2 or more people who are unrelated or connected in any way who independently have reached the same conclusion. In the Lions game he was particularly bad. He and Diem were the goats of the offensive line.

Your suggestion that people read things on each other’s blogs and adopt the opinions they read to their own posts or blogs. That’s silly. The people who take the time to write long posts, analyze the games, etc. are far too confident in their own opinion to adopt the opinions of others. No offense to Colts Homer, BBS, John Oehser, or anyone else who actively writes a lot about the Colts but I don’t think they are any more qualified to form an opinion about the Colts, the talent-level of players, or break down plays on tape than I am. So… why would I pass on the opportunity to say what I think for the sake of just adopting what they think?

I respect their opinions. Hopefully they respect mine and eachothers as well. But to think that these people are simply adopting or borrowing the opinions/analysis of others and accepting it as their own… well that’s inaccurate and a red herring. You don’t like the opinion so you try to illegitimize it through a false representation of those who have it. Agree to disagree. I wish Steve Justice was the second-coming of Jeff Saturday. To this point, unfortunately, he’s not.

by bamock on Aug 30, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Answer

I started to reply to that last night, then a thought occurred to me. What if that IS Steve Justice?

by coltsfanawalt on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts...

Too many dlinemen on your 53. I know you mentioned it but no way they keep “potential” over T.J. Rushing’s production in the return game. “Potential” is a coach killer and Rushing’s skills are sorely needed. Has anyone had a decent return in the preseason other than TJ?

Freddie’s play was the equivalent of signing his death warrant…he was flat awful.

Did anyone seriously think John Mathews was making this squad?

Jamie Silva is not good, he’s average. I think the coaches will assess him with a tough grade in the Lions game. He’s a hitter but doesn’t have the speed to be good in the NFL. Tough call between he and Giordano because they’re both average. Silva seems to be a better special teamer. Very tough call.

We would have beat Detroit by 21 points if Brackett, Freeney, Ed, Mathis, Lilja, Bethea, et al. would have played their maximum amount. I like our roster and thought Caldwell approached the game intelligently. Painter’s in.

by Merr on Aug 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...

by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you call Giordano average?

Remember – this is the guy who took, head on, Adrian Peterson who was in a full flat-out run and just completely owned him all the way to the ground. The guy is a master-tackler and one of the top three fastest guys on the team. No, he isn’t average. He and Bullitt will be the two back-up safties behind Bethea and Sanders.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He isn’t that good of a tackler. I do recall seeing him whiff on a shit ton of tackles on special teams, that or he completely blows past the guy taking himself out of the play. He’s an above average backup, nothing more. I wouldn’t want to see him play for an entire season in place of Bethea that’s for sure.

by KingRichard on Aug 31, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My roster

This is my recent stab at it – Notables:

1) Coe, Hughes, Giguere, Dawson, Justice, Keiaho do not make it
2) Our LB core needs quality depth with Tauiliili and Humber, so Lacey makes PS instead of one of those 2 LBs and both Tauiliili & Humber make the roster.
3) We don’t have much quality for the 5th WR, so John Mathews makes the PS despite his drops in the Lions game, plus note that few plays were run for Taj Smith or Brett McDermott at WR the first 2 games and they were for John Mathews, obviously the coaches know something we dont. So, Mathews does better in the Bengals pre-season game and makes the PS
4) Petrowski makes the PS due to injury concerns for Tom Santi

QB
Peyton Manning
Jim Sorgi

RB
Joseph Addai
Donald Brown
Mike Hart

WR
Reggie Wayne
Anthony Gonzalez
Austin Collie
Pierre Garcon

H-B
Gijon Robinson
Tom Santi

TE
Dallas Clark
Jacob Tamme

LT
Tony Ugoh
Charlie Johnson

LG
Ryan Lilja
Jamey Richard

C
Jeff Saturday
Kyle DeVan

RG
Mike Pollak

RT
Ryan Diem
Daniel Federkeil

LE
Robert Mathis
Raheem Brock
Curtis Johnson

UT
Ed Johnson
Fili Moala
Eric Foster
Adrian Grady

NT
Antonio Johnson
Terrance Taylor

RE
Dwight Freeney
Marcus Howard

SAM
Philip Wheeler
Tyjuan Hagler

MIKE
Gary Brackett
Ramon Humber

WILL
Clint Session
Mike Tauiliili
Jordan Senn

CB
Kelvin Hayden
Marlin Jackson
Tim Jennings
Jerraud Powers
T.J.Rushing

FS
Antoine Bethea
Jamie Silva

SS
Bob Sanders
Melvin Bullitt
Matt Giordano

K
Adam Vinatieri

P
Pat McAfee

LS
Justin Snow

Practice Squad
QB Curtis Painter
RB Lance Ball
WR John Mathews
OG Jaimie Thomas
OG Tom Pestcock
DL John Gill / Rudolph Hardie
DB Jacob Lacey
DB Nick Graham

by chad72 on Aug 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scratch Petrowski

He has been on the Titans PS for about 3 years, and so is ineligible for PS for us. So scratch Petrowski.

by chad72 on Aug 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

roster

you have to keep tj rushing vs jennings since no one else on the roster seems to be able to return kicks at all

by bigjohn93 on Aug 31, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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