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Colts roster moves: Three players injured-waived, TE Colin Cloherty cut

Indianapolis Colts receiver John Matthews was (shockingly) not cut today (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

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Indianapolis Colts receiver John Matthews was (shockingly) not cut today (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

Tomorrow, the Colts must trim their roster down to 75 players. Today, they took the first steps to doing so, placing Michael Coe, Curtis Johnson, and Rudolph Hardie on the injured-waived list. This is the same list the Colts placed Roy Hall on. Basically, when the players clear waivers, another team can pick them up. If a team doesn't, the Colts will then place them on the Injured Reserve (IR) list, effectively ending their season.

Again, just like with Roy Hall, it seems Coe, Hardie, and Johnson will not play for the Colts in 2009.

Indianapolis also cut Colin Cloherty. By my count, they need to make one more roster move to get to 75. One possibility is cutting kicker Shane Andrus and bringing Adam Vinatieri off the PUP list.

Cutting Coe was something many of us saw coming. I don't think he's played in a single pre-season game. Likely, he is still recovering from last season's knee injury during training camp, which is very unfortunate. Hardie was injured in the Lions pre-season game on Saturday, and apparently that injury was serious enough to get him waived-injured. Curtis Johnson is a bit of a shocker. Some of us (aka me!) thought he'd make the final roster. Not sure what his injury is.

Also, Kelvin Hayden, Matt Giordano, Raheem Brock, and Jacob Lacey returned to practice today, according to IFR. Held out of practice were Mike Hart, Mike Pollak, Sam Giguere, Clint Session, and Tom Santi. The Colts seem to be listing Santi's injury from the Lions game as an ankle injury, and, as Phil B of the Indy Star fears, it could be serious.

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Shocking indeed!

No time to say more. I have to go update my roster prediction!

by LukeM on Aug 31, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

I’m sorry but I feel the CuJo waiving is on par with the Seward waiving. Too early and there are clearly worse players still on the roster who make more sense to waive at this point. So much for four pass-rushers. It’ll be up to Marcus Howard alone to get regular pressure on the QB from the DE spot should Freeney or Mathis miss time.

by bamock on Aug 31, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brock

You’re forgetting about Raheem Brock. He’s a pretty good pass rusher from the DE spot.

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by BigBlueShoe on Aug 31, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I haven’t forgotten him but I think CuJo is potentially, if not already a faster speed rusher than Brock. That said, our rotation will be solid with Brock too. As some had indicated earlier, I suppose it has a lot to do with having TOO MANY good players at certain positions. DE is on of those positions. I hope CuJo clears waivers and we can see how he has developed next year.

by bamock on Aug 31, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dawson

CuJo being waved is going to be good for Dawson I think. I would also like to see Marcus Howard get some more playing time this season.

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by AceOfSpades on Aug 31, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought Ace

No CuJo = Dawson likely makes the roster.

by bamock on Aug 31, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will get plenty

Unless Josh Thomas plays his way back onto the team (which wouldn’t surprise me, despite him being a late re-signing and never a big time player), Howard could very well see lots of time at end spelling the two beasts.

As for Johnson… maybe he was actually injured. At least now he’ll get paid, which is good for him, and they’ll retain his rights for another shot next year.

by willyduer on Aug 31, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Colts.com...

There are 74 active players plus two PUP (Bob and AV). Do the PUP count towards the 75?

by LukeM on Aug 31, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

PUP players count against roster limits up until the cut to 53

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Aug 31, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

copy-paste from the fanpost

Nooooooooooooooooooo

Not CuJo. I love CuJo. Almost as much as I like his nickname. Hopefully he clears waivers and can bulk up on IR all year and come into 2010 camp beastly.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Aug 31, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Funny I didn’t read this first Shake.

by bamock on Aug 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santi to IR?

Could they be waiting to the last minute to decide between this and and something else. They would have to find a holder, but I suppose McAfee could also kick in the last pre-season game if need be. Hopefully AV is close.

by GonzoBlue on Aug 31, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Sorgi held some in camp

if Sorgi’s healthy I’m all for letting McAfee get some kicks in.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Aug 31, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Not Curtis Johnson! That is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but that is just flat out stupid. John Matthews is still on the team. John Gill is still on the team. Freddie Keiaho is still on the team. Brett McDermott is still on the team. Dumb decision.

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by Colts Homer on Aug 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

shut up

You really need to stop calling a top 5 Personnel department stupid. You don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t have all the facts.

Furthermore, cutting a DL in no way signifies that they think a WR like Matthews is more important. Only that they have more depth for the D Line for game 4 while still needing bodies at WR. Guys like Matthews and McDermott and Gill and Nick Graham are filler. They take reps so the valuable players can get enough rest in practice and preseason games. They’re guaranteed to be cut later, but for now, it’s more useful to have them around. Because of their position, not their abilities.

Not to mention, Johnson could actually be hurt… given that it’s the Injured/Waived list.

by willyduer on Aug 31, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Seriously, what kind of hubris is it around here that people think they can read a couple of blog posts, see a couple of preseason games and make a better decision than one of the best teams in the NFL.

IR usually means exactly that. If the player clears waivers, the Colts will have to pay them something, if they were cut they wouldn’t. This means the Colts have incentive to cut players they no longer want, and IR players they do.

by kasey_junk on Aug 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up?

Rude…

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by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah... you shut up too!

Take that!

I fail to see how telling him to shut up is any more rude than calling the Colts personnel department dumb. Maybe it is. I don’t care. I’m right.

by willyduer on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care. I’m right.

This seems to be your mantra for everything you write on here. Not a healthy attitude, young man.

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by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 1, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I’ll try not to disagree with the FO and the decisions of the team. I must have forgotten that they can do no wrong.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
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by Colts Homer on Aug 31, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are allowed to disagree

But it would be nice if you had some sort of realistic argument. Ad hominem attacks are pretty useless, especially when I compare the source. On 1 side, somebody who posts on a internet message board. On the other, a professional NFL team that has had pretty good success in the last decade in the staffing department.

It was obvious from the beginning of camp that some good Dlineman was going to get cut this year. You being surprised is the “ridiculous” and “flat out stupid” thing in this news.

by kasey_junk on Aug 31, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you hold people's opinions...

Around here in such low regard, why do you bother reading this blog at all? It’s obvious you’re more knowledgeable than everyone else, so why bother?

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by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coe and Johnson will get picked up

It seems like there is some team that could use them. Coe was long gone anyways, but I am very sad that Curtis Johnson may be gone. Dumb, dumb, dumb move. Hopefully no one picks him up and he can have a chance with a team next year.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Aug 31, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pickups from Waived/Injured almost never happen. It’s an unwritten rule that they give teams the courtesy of letting their hurt guys pass through waivers. It was a really big deal earlier this month when the new Jags GM took a rookie DB that the Browns waived; everyone else was pissed at him.

Johnson has talent, which is why they want to keep him on IR. So it is possible that he gets scooped up. But teams don’t often have much use for someone else’s injured player, so more than likely he’ll pass through and sit the year out, and hopefully be ready to come back and compete for a spot next year. Obviously they think enough of him to try to keep him around instead of just plain cutting him.

by willyduer on Aug 31, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forget who first suggested this on Saturday during one of the live threads...

Matthews needs to change his number. At this point, it’s blasphamy. Nobody so crappy should wear Stokley’s number. Nobody. Now I’m beginning to get upset by it.

I credit whomever came up with that – I’m sorry I can’t remember who it was.

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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Aug 31, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we start a petition?

I also liked the idea that Austin Collie would take over as #83, but that’ll never happen. At least he’s following Hunter Smith. Christian rocker and mormon are close enough.

On an unrelated note, Matt Schaub just ran for a first down and decided not to jump into the air. I hope Sage was watching on the sideline…

by hoosierdore on Aug 31, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Start a petition. I mentioned that right after he dropped that pass that turned into a pick. How dare he wear the number of the great Stokley?

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Aug 31, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All credit to you, CH.

I think you’re absolutely right. They need to retire #83!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty pissed that CuJo is gone

Key has no ability to make plays from the DE position. He hasn’t impressed this preseason and he lacks the ability to rush the passer. I hope that CuJo will find his way on the roster again, because you can never have enough pass rushers.

by metal_militia on Sep 1, 2009 4:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Serious question...

What is with all the CuJo love? Its gotta be the nickname…he has played well, but jeez you would think he was all pro or something.

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by TRDean on Sep 1, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I will list the things I like about Curtis Johnson and others can chime in if they like.

1) Solid special teams player. He has the kind of speed and motor, along with the strength and size, to be a Darrell Reid type of contributor on special teams. When I saw a man his size display enough athletic ability to run down on kick coverage, overrun the ball carrier, fall to the ground, get back to his feat, and run down the ball carrier from behind to get in on the tackle… only another 10-15 yards downfield no less… I was impressed.

2) Two years ago we had both of our primary pass rushers banged up. We were livid because we had no suitable pass rushers left on the squad. We were elated when we drafted Marcus Howard and excited to see CuJo show potential. With the two young pass rushers I think many of us saw promise for the future.

3) He has speed off of the edge. He also tracks down the ball across the field to make stops which others were unable to make. A valuable asset.

4) A deeper look into Johnson reveals that he is an outstanding athlete but not quick to pick up new defensive schemes. Accordingly, with more time in a system to develop, he becomes a much stronger player. As it was, in the preseason, I saw some very positive things from Johnson, improvement, and he seemed to have a lot of upside with very little cost.

5) Even if he is not a future Pro Bowler and will only serve as a back-up pass rusher and special teams player, he brought more to the squad in value than a host of other players who are still here.

by bamock on Sep 1, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's because he was cut now

if he had stuck around for another week or so and then not made the 53, then I think there’d be mild disappointment rather than the outcry you’re getting here. He’s clearly one of the top 75 players in camp. I think it only makes sense if he’s hurt enough to be limited for a couple weeks.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this gives them more options

   this really looks like a tactical move. If no one picks him up, he ends up on IR and the colts bring him back next year. Might not be the case if they did it another way. And who knows how injured he actually is.

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by bluegirl on Sep 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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