Who here is Bubba from Beech Grove?
After a nice positive article from Kravitz the other day, he's back to business this morning. His article pans the Colts for not allowing media to blog or tweet while at the open practices. He continually harps on the fact that "Bubba from Beech Grove" can do it all he wants, but Kravitz can't. I have a few concerns
1 - Who is Bubba from Beech Grove? I don't think BBS is from BG, but I assume Kravitz has someone in mind. Anyone? (I know it's not really someone specific, but if I was new to SB, that would be a GREAT screen name)
2 - It's not totally clear why Bob cares. He keeps saying that he doesn't blog or use twitter, but he thinks the Colts should allow him to. What??
3 - Is this just a little man syndrome type deal where he always has to find something to complain about?
Just want to add, I'm not usually one to harp on the MSM and I think SB is oftentimes too hard on them. They fill a different role in the sports world than blogs do and we have to understand that. ESPN has to make as much money as it can and it does so by reaching out to the lowest common denominator. They don't need to attract the super football fans. But this article was a bit much even for me.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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Kravitz's piece
is Exhibit A as to why newspapers are going into extinction.
the symbolic “Bubba from Beech Grove” knows just as much about the team (if note more) as a reporter/columnist with access does.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 5, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
A little background on Beech Grove.
The stereo-type is this, small minded, white bread, yokels. So Kravitz is dissing them and bloggers at the same time. Kinda offensive.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
can we get a stereotype on bubbas?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Urban Dictionary says:
Bubba
1. (Noun) One of the redneck hillbilly duo. This species tend to be large, small brained, even less teeth, and speaks in a language that cannot be understood. Scientist suspect years of inbreeding to get this effect.
2. (Noun) Prison inmate who decides who gets to be a bitch. Tends to have the characteristics as above.
More definitions can be found here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bubba
Most were too graphic to post or too bizarre to have any relevance.
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we're all a little smarter now
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Exactly
It’s that kind of ignorance and dismissive elitism that will finally rid us of the media dinosaurs of yesteryear. Ironically, Kravitz is launching his arrows from an ivory tower in Indiana, of all places.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Indiana
Hey now watch it, I thought you came in peace LOL.
I think BBS summarizes everything up nicely below(which I am glad he didn’t make a full post, because I don’t want to hear anymore bellyaching about SB’s coverage of media stupidity).
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
I know
I live in PA so I get plenty of flak. Especially after the election and the “bitter” controversy. I’ve only passed through Indiana, but it seems like a nice place. A little too flat for my tastes, though.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 6, 2009 4:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We've got our share of hills here.
I think that I may live on the steepest driveway in Indiana.
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I will be at training camp this Saturday (the 8th) to get lots of autographs. Let me know if you're going Saturday (in comments or E-Mail address in my profile), and you may be able to actually meet me in person. I'm sure you're all excited.
oh yeah
I haven’t seen hills, but i swear to god the houses are an upside down V as far as I can see. The backyards are COMPLETELY slanted as are the driveways (where i live)
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point of the article is that it's an open practice...
which I have to agree with him. I enjoy reading the updated blogs and such from people, but why disallow one person the choice to report via blogs, tweets, whatever in real time, compared to Joe Sitsonbench who has unimpeded obversation?
To me, it’s not so much ‘who’ knows more, it’s ‘how’ something is being done. That makes no sense to me. So what if Kravitz doesn’t blog or tweet? That’s not the point. Disallowing notebooks on the first day was utterly ridiculous and put that in the ‘Say What’ hall of fame.
Let’s face it, the Colts aren’t the most media access friendly organization out there keeping things like injuries close to the vest. “Manning only had one surgery on his knee, we swear!! He’s just playing Scrabble in the back room trying to get the triple word score!”
Love the Colts, but I just prefer watching them on Sundays.
overall I agree
The ban on notebooks was ridiculous and it’s silly to draw a tweet/blog line between MSM and everyone else. I just thought that he spent way too much of the article referencing “Beach Grove Bubba” and panning blogs (again). He could have just said this is a ridiculous policy, the Colts need to change it because of how it affects me as a journalist. There was no need to (again) put down blogs and say they’re unreliable, unprofessional, etc. More than anything I’m just pointing out his continued insistence to put down the blogging world.
While there are 11 other teams with similar rules (according to his article), it still is stupid and something that should change
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
A lot of NFL teams are paranoid about things like that.
It’s not just the Colts. Maybe they have valid reasons for the seemingly silly rules. You know one of their slogans is, never explain.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
My take
The Colts, like many NFL teams, are beginning to finally get the notion that new media (like blogs, Twitter, etc.) is changing how people get their information about a team. Prior to new media, NFL teams had nice, cushy relationships with reporters. They would arrange what would be reported, when it would be reported, and how it would be reported. In return, the reporters got “access” (aka, they could interview players and coaches). If reporters violated these under-the-table relationships, they would be denied access to players and coaches, and shut out of all the “team access.” They wouldn’t get news scoops. They wouldn’t get insider info. and, eventually, they’d be fired by their news organization for not being effective.
Today, if you notice on blogs like this, you get just as much information (and, in many cases, more information) about the Colts than you get from Indy Star. All we do is publish what fans send us, or write summaries of what we see and what other bloggers see. We get this information via email, Twitter, IM, Skype, etc. this kind of technology breaks down the wall destroys the filter the old, traditional media applied when fans wanted coverage of their team.
For old school football people, like Bill Parcells and Bill Polian, this drives them absolutely crazy.
If reporters Tweet news back to their readers without it being “approved” by the Colts, Polian and Parcells can point a finger at that reporter and cut him or her out of the loop. This gives them control over the information that comes out of their team. However, when a fan does it, what are Polian or Parcells going to do? Yell at them? The fan is the paying customer. You start banning mobile devices or, worse, closing training camp and practices to fans, your team will see a STEEP decline in ticket sales and fan participation. You’ll see players get booed more at home. you’ll see less patience from fans.
In short, you can treat a reporter like garbage and get away with it. Treat a fan that way, and you’ll quickly be checking the want ads.
Indeed, it is bloggers like me that drives people like Polian and Parcells nuts. I am a paid media professional (just like Bob Kravitz). I work for a nice sized company that is affiliated with a larger company (just like Bob Kravitz). However, unlike Bob, I’m not a columnist at a newspaper and I do not seek “access” to the team in a traditional way. Guys like John Oehser can give us plenty of access to players which (and this is not a knock on John, who is vital to Colts blogging in general), often is rather dull. Players are coached and educated to talk a certain way when interviewed. Much of what they say is the same old recycled crap no matter who is interviewing them. It’s called “media control.”
My job is to collect information and present to my community (you guys) for consumption and discussion. My job is not to take only the information the team approves and report on it in order to satisfy my editor. This gives me much more freedom to be critical and, in some cases, a little more “honest” than guys like Kravitz.
In general, the NFL’s banning of Twitter is just another example of how the league wants to control all information coming from their teams. When players and fans are empowered, it takes power away from the top brass. They don’t like that. But, like always, there are ways around such draconian rules. One of the cracks in the system is blogs, like Stampede Blue. And while I have a very nice relationship with the Colts, I personally feel my most effective role is to remain outside their system. I can get player interviews through their agents, or through their foundations. I can get access to the team through several contacts I have, or by going to a practice or camp and writing what I see. If I write something that pisses off Bill Polian, he has the right to contact my boss (Jim Bankoff former executive with AOL and current President of SB Nation) and tell him I’m an asshole. Jim then has the right to say “Thanks Mr. Polian, but we don’t play the kinds of games you play with more traditional media. My guy has the right to call you a Get off my lawn you dirty kids! old man. Did you also know he called you the greatest football man in the history of the league?”
So, as the media landscape changes, not just here but also in politics, Hollywood, and other places, the old, entrenched guard will try and resist it, but like all things they will grow old, whither away, and the new will supplant them. The same thing will happen to us one day.
Hope this explains a few things.
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that could have been it's own post!
It’s definitely an incredibly interesting time to follow journalism and it’s role in society (both inside and outside sports). Being in the Information Age/Revolution means there is more and more ways to provide and access information. There’s obviously no way to know how it will all turn out, but it really is interesting to see how quickly things are evolving. Hell, most people found out about twitter in the past 6 months and now it’s a huge source of information for sports fans. And when we started getting breaking news from players themselves, through twitter, well shit that really changes things. Kevin Love breaking the Mchale firing was something that could have never happened before.
It’s always tough to be part of the old guard when things change and a revolution is afoot. I’m only 25, but I would hate to be Polian’s age and having to continue in my profession when I can’t just keep doing things my own way. You just can’t be too stubborn anymore. Life is changing quickly. And above all else, it is a GREAT time to be a sports fan. There is so much information out there for us to digest that if I ever get divorced, I can guarantee it’s because of blogs like this one.
On a related note, anyone see the deadspin post about ESPN banning all employees from twittering about sports (or something like that). I’m curious to see how that’ll turn out. I had been following the NBA guys lately for FA news (Adande, Bucher, Stein) and they were really insightful and interesting to follow. Too bad we’re losing that but I get the feeling that soon enough it’ll be common and expected for reporters to twitter their findings.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Word
And your last paragraph is particularly relevant: this is happening in all aspects of society. Sports is now experiencing the seismic changes we’ve seen in other milieu, especially politics. And, like in the political arena, the old school, back-scratching wheelers and dealers can’t or won’t accept that it’s a brave new world now.
On a related note, Antonio Cromartie was fined $2500 for complaining about lousy training camp food on Twitter. Can’t wait to see how these new technologies affect management/player relations. I think the freak show has just begun….
I saw that and thought it was pretty funny
You have to wonder where they draw the line. What if Cromartie had a twitter account that was private and only for his friends? Would he still get fined for complaining about the food? What if his was public but only had 10 followers? I’m sure we’ll be seeing a lot more ridiculous stuff like that soon in the near future
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Follow-up
Bill Parcells banned fan Tweeting at practices: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-miami-dolphins-twitter-s080509,0,956819.story
Bill Parcells is a silly sack of crap.
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damn
i’m sure it was a great point. But i just stopped after you started comparing yourself and kravitz, i got bored.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
3
Definitely 3.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
Kravitz...
What can I say? I love some of his articles, when they actually have some relevance to football! I hate how he just thinks of something random to put in the newspaper because he can’t think of anything. If nothing else, give us some sort of game-by-game breakdown of the 2009 colts or something.
But you want to know what made me want to kick him in the soft spot? “Marvin has been a shadow if his former self for the last two maybe three years.” WHAT?!?! Three years ago Marvin had 95 catches for 1366 yards and 12 TDs. That’s a SHADOW? It’s a pretty damn good shadow. Two years ago he was INJURED. And most of the time it’s not really the player’s fault. And last year, well fine. You win Bob. ONE YEAR.
by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Aug 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions

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