The cutdown to 75 complete, now on to 53
by BigBlueShoe on Sep 1, 2009 10:05 PM EDT
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The Colts cut Marcus Paschal today to get their roster down to 75. After Thursday's pre-season finale against the Bengals, the Colts will have until Saturday to trim their roster to 53 active players. Without considering who will likely get re-signed to the practice squad, I've compiled a list of who will likely get cut on Saturday. Please note that I will cut more than the Colts need to as it is likely they will cut extra players so they can sign some people cut from other teams.
After the jump, you can check out the list. Keep in mind, the Colts have a lot of very good talent on this current 75 man roster. Several good, quality players will get let go. Some may even be high drafts picks from years past.
John Matthews (duh)
Ramon Humbler
The big cuts are Muir, Jennings, Hughes, Foster, and Ball. Based on Muir's poor showing last week against Detroit, and the impressive praise Caldwell has given to Adrian Grady, I think the Colts will want to keep Grady, work Terrance Taylor into the nose tackle rotation, and keep someone like Raheem Brock in reserve at under tackle in case of an injury. Foster falls in the same boat as Muir. Antonio Johnson, Ed Johnson, and Terrance Taylor can all play nose tackle. This makes Muir expendable. Ed Johnson, Adrian Grady, Raheem Brock, and Fili Moala can all play under tackle. This makes Foster expendable. Thus, both Foster and Muir are (sadly) cut.
Jerraud Powers has flat outplayed Tim Jennings and Dante Hughes. Caldwell has also been very pleased by the play of Jacob Lacey. T.J. Rushing is a decent corner who is vital to the return game. Thus, Hughes and Jennings are gone.
Finally, there is Lance Ball, who has (in my humble opinion) outplayed the injury-prone Mike Hart. But, I don't think the Colts are ready to give up on Hart just yet. Since they cannot PUP him, and since the Colts will probably keep three QBs, I think Lance will get cut.
Again, I'm likely wrong with these projected cuts, and we don't know what the injury situation will be until after the Cincy game. But, for right now, this is how I think it will shake out. Thoughts?
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Why would they cut extra players before they see who is available from other teams’ rosters? That doesn’t make sense to me. You can cut people any time. Did they do that last year? Or did they just cut to 53 and then wait to see if they should cut more to make room for the others?
by LukeM on Sep 1, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CBs
You think they’re going with just Powers, Lacey, and Rushing behind Marlin and Kelvin? I think Powers and Rushing make it for sure, but I’ll eat my hat if Jennings and Hughes are both cut. I like Lacey too, but he’s safe on the Practice squad, right?
by LukeM on Sep 1, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Lacey is a PS guy. Unless we keep 6 CBs – which I could see with Rushing as designated returner – he doesn’t make it.
There is no way, we are going to rely on 2 rookies and Rushing as back ups/nickel backs.
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by gizzardfanny on Sep 2, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see Lacey than the other guys...
In my mind, the guy who have played the best have earned the right to be on the roster. It isn’t like his rivals have done anything last season or the seasons prior to lastseason that should give them an edge. If Lacey have done the best job, then I’m all for giving him the spot ahead of some of the veterans…
by jocre on Sep 2, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree again
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Sep 2, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I saw Powers' picture
I thought you were including him in your list and was about to jump to the conclusion that you had lost your mind. I had my retort ready in mind, but I just assumed wrongly. Thankfully. I knew you were smarter than what I had assumed, but you never can tell sometimes.
I agree with you on Foster. I like the kid, and he works his ass off, but Grady is better (at least in homeristic opinion), and so are guys like Taylor and Moala, who we obviously are not cutting. Foster will find a home if cut. I am fine either way and wish him luck either way. I do think Jennings and Silva will stay on, though. Don’t give up on Hart just yet. Ball was pretty solid, but mgt must see that Hart is worth the injury risk. Although 3rd RB is hardly a make or break position. Ball will find a team somewhere if cut, Simpson may have to pay a team to let him on.
Hopefully we sign some low risk, high reward talent other teams gave up on. That’s always fun. Mookie has been a pleasant addition, although nothing spectacular. I’d like to see us grab Dexter Jackson or someone who can return.
by npb1985 on Sep 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cut dawson
keep foster. Foster can at least bring some pressure when moved to end, Key can’t. Add to the fact that Foster can also play FB and he beats out dawson in versitility.
I know that he hasn’t been able to stay healthy, but I think we should keep Santi as well. I think Santi is a better blocker than robinson, whom ive been very dissapointed with lately since he (robinson) was regarded as a blocking TE.
by metal_militia on Sep 2, 2009 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dawson can...
he got some decent pressure from right end on the 2nd series against the Lions. On one play he beat his guy so badly he almost seemed confused by all the empty field in front of him.
Not that I think this makes him more valuable than Foster or anyone else… just making sure he gets his due.
by willyduer on Sep 2, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Foster really brought pressure?
Has even recorded a sack? I like his work ethic and attitude, but other than playing fullback, Dawson is more effecient on the outside (Brock style) and has shown he can play UT effectively with good NTs around him (‘07). I know Foster had less to work with last year, but I just don’t see the need to keep Foster over other players on the line such as a Grady or Dawson. I just don’t like the idea on putting Grady on the PS when he’s been playing BETTER than Foster, Taylor, and Moala.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 2, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foster won't get cut
He’s the only guy getting snaps in the Power I, I think this means that he’s got a safe roster spot. I think Taylor has practice squad written all over him, he’s not flashed anything tremendous so I think he’s a pretty safe player to try and stash.
by slash196 on Sep 2, 2009 6:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Silva
I don’t see Jaime Silva getting cut – they love him on Special Teams and he’s not a terrible safety. With the Bobzilla situation, plus the fact that Bethea and Giordano will be UFAs after this season, I see them keeping 5 safeties, same lineup as last year.
by GoHorse88 on Sep 2, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roster Cuts
BP hates to give up on his draft picks, always has and probably always will. I don’t think he cuts any of his higher picks period. I said in an earlier post he keeps guys too long that can’t play at the needed level. He’s still done a great job for us, none better. The record speaks for itself. Go Colts!!!!!!!!!
by RvHauler1 on Sep 2, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say he gets emotionally attached, but I do agree that there are too many 1 and 2 year old picks on this list that are likely to keep their spots.
They really do have impressive depth this year. I don’t remember being too terribly over any cuts in previous years but I can see 4 or 5 capable players being cut this year.
by willyduer on Sep 2, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 QB's?
There’s no way they keep Painter on the 53 man roster
by gocolts1 on Sep 2, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
He should make it to the practice squad. There are way too many other QBs out there that other teams may pick up before a rookie. Plus, it takes away from other spots where we might find ourselves thin, like O line or secondary.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take this into consideration
One major reason why the Colts used two QBs for year was because the “emergency” QB (aka the third one) was punter Hunter Smith. He was recruited to Notre Dame as a QB, and converted into a punter. So, Hunter had experience throwing the ball, running and offense, etc. Now, Hunter is gone. So, in the course of game, if both Peyton and Sorgi go down, who runs the offense?
I think this is why they will keep three QBs.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 2, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should forfeit
Just kidding. We could run a permanent wildcat offense with Addai, Brown and Hart running three man weaves down the field.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 2, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will take those chances
of losing both players during a single game. But I see your point.
However if the Colts are a great team this year and Manning goes down, I still think we would be better off searching free agents than with Sorgi OR Painter.
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by AceOfSpades on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say
If both Manning AND Sorgi get hurt in the same game, they weren’t destined to win anyways.
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by Colts Homer on Sep 2, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if it happened with a solid lead?
and all they need is someone to keep 11 out of the box?
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 2, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention....
they have said they were likely to keep three QBs. Which is why I think think they will.
I just wish someone else could learn to long snap. Nothing against Snow, but it’s stupid to have to use a roster spot on a long snapper that does nothing else. And that’d open up the slot for the extra QB.
by willyduer on Sep 2, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
additionally...
I don’t think they would’ve played him so much this preseason if the intent was to sneak him through to the PS. Often if they think they’ve got a secret diamond in the rough they’ll sort of hide him through the games so noone else will think to pick him up, thus ensuring that he’ll get through. They did this with Federkeil a few years ago when he first got switched to the offensive line.
Harder to hide someone like a QB of course, without making it too obvious. But he has definitely played well enough that cutting him would be a big risk.
by willyduer on Sep 2, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if you don't have a dedicated Long Snapper
you probably need 2-3 guys that can do it competently on the roster because the chance that your long snapper(s) get hurt is a lot higher when they are playing other places.
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 2, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
I know that Santi can do it, but I’ve never understood why regular centers can’t or why it isn’t something that can be taught/practiced over the course of a training camp or summer. I didn’t get the chance to ask when I was at camp.
Obviously you don’t want to take your chances with someone prone to the yips or who can’t duplicate the same movement perfectly every time, because the consequences of failure are so great. And I understand that not everyone can do that – like golf or bowling, we can all do it once in a while, but every single time without fail? God luck…. but you’ve got to think that one or two other guys out of 53 could be taught… right?
by willyduer on Sep 2, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tamme is listed as the backup
and I’m pretty sure he long snapped in college.
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 2, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is very, very likely
I don’t think Polian wants to take the chance on letting Painter get away.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Sep 2, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m becoming a huge Painter fan… he looks like a goofy-eyed Peyton in terms of his handling of play-calling. I’m not calling him Peyton by any stretch, but have seen glimpses that he can get there – more so than I’ve seen Sorgi (but that may just be recent memory). I really hope he stays on the roster. I might order a Painter jersey so I’m ready once Peyton retires (in 100 years).
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Sep 2, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going more for 200 years.
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by Cassieper on Sep 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’re probably better off with Frank Reich if both Manning and Sorgi go down in the same game. Besides, Painer 1) almost wasn’t even drafted, and 2) he isn’t exactly tearing it up in the preseason, so if he does get cut I don’t see the rest of the NFL tripping over themselves to sign him
by gocolts1 on Sep 2, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I disagree here...
he was drafted…and many great QBs come from the lower rounds. So who is to say he won’t end up being a very good pro. I think he is doing very very well this preseason. No bones about it. I don’t know what tearing it up means…but is Sanchez tearing it up? Not too sure. If he gets cut my bet is he will get snatched up pretty quick with the showing this preseason. There are some teams that would love to give him a shot.
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by TRDean on Sep 2, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Painter has earned a roster spot IMO, and I can’t help but feel he’s more competent than Sorgi.
I think he’d get picked up. Hunter’s gone so they need a third QB, as BBS said.
by yellowsnow on Sep 2, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Painter
I think he makes it as well. Think of how the veterans they picked up last year struggled to learn this offense. He seems to have picked it up pretty well quickly. I would have an issue with carrying 3 QBs. Its better than the days of keeping a kickoff specialist.
by GonzoBlue on Sep 2, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was some other QB some team drafted in the 6th round out of a Big-10 school...
but his name escapes me.
by ctnyc on Sep 2, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it?
Dick Thornton? Mike Cliek? Babe Laufenberg? Randy Wright? Jim Miller? Steve Bellisari? Brooks Bollinger? Drew Henson? Jeff Smoker? Jim Sorgi?
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Beat me
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-Mitch Hedberg
by Colts Homer on Sep 2, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bellisari!
THAT’S who it was! Bellisari!
by ctnyc on Sep 2, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Henson?
Oh SORGI!
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by Colts Homer on Sep 2, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has to be thinking of Sorgi
He has the best comp% and the best TD-INT ratio of all of them (including that other Michigan guy that Shake forgot).
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by gizzardfanny on Sep 3, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just some observations
Keeping in mind there’s one more preseason game to go, with unknown injury possibilities and performance results:
I think Lance Ball should stay, Hart hasn’t been able to show otherwise.
There is no point in taking up a roster spot with Hart over Ball in my opinion.
Can’t Hart be placed on the practice squad?
If Ball goes then Foster should stay as he serves dual roles.
I once again fear that the Colts have not solved their short yardage running game.
How many years are we going to have to watch Peyton throw on 3rd and 2 because of an unsure running game in this type of situation?
I’m not convinced Addai or Brown can get that type of job done.
The offensive line still seems a mess, maybe it’s not too late to overhaul it after the results of the last preseason game are in.
Thomas, Pestock and Toudouze are all worse that Justice?
Santi seems injury prone but Petrowski has some good size that Tamme lacks, which could be useful with an offensive line that is questionable.
Painter needs to make the practice squad at least.
Sorgi’s days are numbered anyway.
Taylor might be better placed on the practice squad this year.
I’m still concerned about the field goal kicking as well.
I hope the Colts have the telephone numbers handy for many of the players on this cut list, like Silva.
by centauri on Sep 2, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not convinced Addai or Brown can get that type of job done.
That makes one of us.
by KingRichard on Sep 3, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All evidence from the preseason says that
the running game is a go. We could possibly see 2 rushers close to or over 1,000 yards.
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by Cassieper on Sep 3, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000
"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"
by AceOfSpades on Sep 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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