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Around SBN: What If This Is It For The Celtics? End Of An Era Looming

Tim Jennings= Goat

There was a very interesting comment from the Indy Star's PhilB in his post-Monday Night Football live chat with readers:

Jennings definitely gave more cushion than Powers or Hayden. I guess we have to attribute that to the guy's coverage skills. The Dolphins receivers had little problem running him back at least 5 yards, then making that out cut. I know it's maddening to watch. It reinforces that Jennings is probably nothing more than a fill-in guy, a nickel back when needed if Jackson is ever moved out of that spot.

After re-reading several comments in the post-game thread, one consistent criticism of Jennings was that he gave too much cushion to the Miami Dolphins WRs, in particular Ted Ginn Jr. Chad Pennington seemed to pick on Jennings a bit, always throwing his way whenever he needed to convert on third down.

Interestingly, Bill Polian discussed the "zone cushion" on his HANK FM radio show Tuesday night [via Colts.com]:

First of all, you need to understand the construct of our defense, which is that we try to get pressure with our front four. If you get pressure with your front four, then you can drop your linebackers and your corners and safeties into zones, then you can drive on the ball and you can make the kinds of plays necessary – usually a hit that will knock the ball out to prevent those kinds of plays. In our style of defense, which is designed to prevent the big play – which we did a good job of Monday Night, by the way – you’re going to give up some of those depending on the coverage you call.

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This game was really no different – albeit with more talented players on the opposition side – than the Cleveland game last year. We won that one on a sack/fumble recovery by (defensive end) Robert Mathis in the fourth quarter. We played a cleaner game last year. We had too many penalties Monday Night, and we didn’t to a good job stopping the Wildcat, but the talent level on their offense was better than that of Cleveland. Essentially, it was the same style of game. Our theory was, ‘Let’s not give up big plays if we can avoid them.’

The issue with Jennings is two fold: One, he isn't that great of a coverage corner. He seems to give big cushions because he is coached not to get beat deep. Second, when he closes on the ball carrier, which is what he is told to do, then he is not doing enough to create turnovers or disrupt the receiver prior to or after the catch. With Jacob Lacey looking better at corner than Jennings, and with the eventual return of Jerraud Powers, Tim Jennings might fall further on the depth chart.

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Jennings isn’t that great of a coverage corner? Dude… you’re being way too kind. Fans have been ripping on him for at least a year now.

Look, I’ll give him this much: He’s a bit more sure of a tackler than many of the other DBs. But the problem is, since he can’t cover, by the time he gets there, the receiver’s got good yards or even a first down.

We most certainly do need a better coverage corner. But that’s what Powers was drafted for. As someone ponted out (I think it was Phil B in that very same chat), your 3rd or 4th string cover guy is going to have some weaknesses. And that’s really what he is: Someone down on the depth chart who’s playing because others are injured. I don’t like it a whole lot, but we’re just going to have to grit our teeth and survive it while the injured players heal up.

by aldctjoc on Sep 23, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

why can't anyone watch the damn tape?

I looked at every single play. Jennings did NOT give any more cushion than anyone else. Phil B is flat out wrong about that.

I don’t know why everyone here thinks they know more about defenses than the actual defensive coaches and Bill Polian.

I feel like a crusader here for Jennings even though I agree with the conclusion: He’s the 4th corner, and Lacey could very well pass him. But he was NOT the problem last night.

With the exception of two Wildcat runs I can think of Monday Night – the reverse and one bad missed tackle that let a lead draw get out – there were no big plays in the passing game, and basically we limited them to four- and five-yard gains in the running game. You can get up and press and make them make the perfect throw and blitz, but you can also give up the big play. Our theory by and large is, ‘Don’t give up the big play.’ Again, if people choose to play the way Miami chose to play, they can possess the ball a good deal, but as happened last year, they didn’t get into the end zone. They had to settle for field goals. …… Our theory was, ‘Let’s not give up big plays if we can avoid them.’

That has always been the theory of the defense. Asante Samuel and DeAngelo Hall make big plays when they decide to jump those routes and not be conservative. They also get burned a ton. The philosophy of this organization has always been to concede certain short plays in favor of preventing the big ones. We all saw last night what big plays can do to a game. The Colts won because they were the team that made them.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Polian did a great job describing the role of the linebackers and their failures too, which is very informative. Seems that they didn’t miss their gaps, necessarily, but that the timing was off and that they were trying to read too much in the backfield. So I was incorrect in other comments when I said things like “it’s not about the gap control” because that’s certainly an element of it.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

All offseason the team has been preaching on and on about being more aggressive and taking chances on the defensive side of the ball so we can stop teams on 3rd down and get the ball back on offense. Why not actually put that plan into action?

I know Jennings gave a similar cushion to Hayden, but Jennings doesn’t have the reaction time that Hayden has. Jennings is below average as we all know. So, after about the 5th time in a row that Miami ran a 5-7 yard out route and got the first down over on Jennings’ side, why not give him safety help over the top and see if he can jump the route?

Furthermore, why didn’t we see any safety or LB blitzes once the game started wearing on and Freeney and Mathis were sucking oxygen over on the sideline at every opportunity? Isn’t that another thing we have been hearing out of the defense during training camp as it relates to Coyer’s scheme? They were obviously gassed, but Coyer or Caldwell (whoever was making those defensive decisions) continued to sit back and let Miami run plays all day. It took another remarkable performance by Manning to allow everyone to make excuses for it.

My problem is not that we gave up so many yards, but that we made no adjustments while Miami was running the same 3 plays all game (draw play, Wildcat to the right and quick out to Jennings side). Meanwhile, our defensive players are on the field 45 minutes in a single game and now Brackett is injured because of it. Injuries happen to this team and one of the biggest reasons why has got to be because we are on the field so much longer than we should be.

I can’t say it enough and I can’t say it any more clearly. The problem here is that this team gets snake bitten by injuries every single year. As we continue to accept giving up 7 and 8 minute drives, those injuries are going to continue to be a problem.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a rant aimed moreso at the Colts philosophy and not really to be directed at you willyduer.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

np

I agree.

I always end up playing devil’s advocate and defend the coaches here, which means almost every post becomes an argument… but sometimes it’s just me trying to guess what they’re thinking or offer counterpoints for the purpose of encouraging deeper analysis. (For instance, I’ll be responding to your first post in just a sec…)

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I was playing devil’s advocate on behalf of Polian and Caldwell earlier in the offseason while they were making draft picks and roster moves so I understand completely.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

All offseason the team has been preaching on and on about being more aggressive and taking chances on the defensive side of the ball so we can stop teams on 3rd down and get the ball back on offense. Why not actually put that plan into action?

I think it’s situational. As bad as the constant 5-8 yard runs were, at least they weren’t getting beaten for big huge plays, which is always a risk when you take chances. Mostly though there didn’t seem to be that many opportunities in that game though. You can get as creative as you want, but when they’re ramming the ball up the middle every play, it mostly comes down to whether you win battles at the LOS or you lose them. In fact, I remember one instance of a run blitz around the weak side by 2 players – Bullitt and Brackett I believe, or maybe Hagler – that was a total failure because the play just went the other way and they only had to block 6 guys instead of 8.

I think we’ll see MUCH more creative blitzing and chance-taking against the Cardinals.

I know Jennings gave a similar cushion to Hayden, but Jennings doesn’t have the reaction time that Hayden has. Jennings is below average as we all know. So, after about the 5th time in a row that Miami ran a 5-7 yard out route and got the first down over on Jennings’ side, why not give him safety help over the top and see if he can jump the route?

I was surprised by this as well, but they actually completed several of those on the other side too. I think 3 against Jennings, 2 against Hayden, and 1 against Lacey was the total tally, with the other annoying conversions being while they were in zones, not man. Anyway, with Bullitt cheating into the box a lot, that left Bethea back deep alone, meaning he couldn’t just help over the top of one side. And if he did, they would’ve just run the same route on the opposite side of the field.

Basically, they were so successful with the run that even on 3rd and 5-8 we had to respect it, which meant fewer chances could be taken by the secondary since only one safety was back.

Furthermore, why didn’t we see any safety or LB blitzes once the game started wearing on and Freeney and Mathis were sucking oxygen over on the sideline at every opportunity? Isn’t that another thing we have been hearing out of the defense during training camp as it relates to Coyer’s scheme? They were obviously gassed, but Coyer or Caldwell (whoever was making those defensive decisions) continued to sit back and let Miami run plays all day. It took another remarkable performance by Manning to allow everyone to make excuses for it.

See above note about the blitzes from LBs. There were some, but no more in this game than in Dungy/Meeks years. They weren’t effective at all, which is likely why more weren’t called.

I personally have always wondered why the DL relies so heavily on a rotation, while the same three LBs play every snap. On a long drive like that, you’d think that there’d be a benefit to rotating the LBs too. Wheeler did play one play (and we saw Keiaho once GB got hurt), but that’s it. Of course, LBs are fitter than D Linemen….

My problem is not that we gave up so many yards, but that we made no adjustments while Miami was running the same 3 plays all game

They made some, but nothing too major. And even having 8 in the box didn’t help all that much.

Still, I would definitely have supported more varied fronts, even if it was just that annoying constant faking a blitz that teams do to Peyton over and over. Something like that could let them disguise some coverages and allow them to maybe do something like sneak a safety over to help Jennings, allowing him to try to jump a route without too much downside if he fails. I’m all for still preventing the big play, but sometimes risking a 15 yard play instead of 5 is worth it if the upside is a 20% chance of a takeaway.

Meanwhile, our defensive players are on the field 45 minutes in a single game and now Brackett is injured because of it. Injuries happen to this team and one of the biggest reasons why has got to be because we are on the field so much longer than we should be…. The problem here is that this team gets snake bitten by injuries every single year. As we continue to accept giving up 7 and 8 minute drives, those injuries are going to continue to be a problem.

This is a great insight and one that is often overlooked.

Polian made the point that given the circumstances, the D was actually in decent shape at the ends of those drives and the end of the game. And he’s right. But here’s a different way to look at this: What is a big reason that they’re converting a lot of third downs? Because they’re 3rd and shorts due to an extra yard or two per carry on 1st and 2nd. What’s a big reason for that? Getting stood up tall and/or blown off the ball by the interior line. What could be a cause of that? Not being all that strong.

This is something I’ve seen a lot of, and obviously it’s a natural consequence of being smaller and faster: Our team does not have the strongest players. Even when the OL was playing at their peak a few years ago, they weren’t a bullying, overpowering bunch. Saturday’s famous pancake was kind of an anomaly. Obviously there’s more to it than gym lifts, but Pollak actually came in fresh from the draft stronger than any existing lineman in a lot of lifts. (We’re seeing how this doesn’t help him though, as athleticism and positioning still trumps a gym lift, of course.) The same is true of the DL. They get pushed back a lot, even this year with the bigger bodies.

So what we have is a team that’s not as strong as many others, which also seems to be vulnerable to injury year after year… Yes, there are hundreds of factors that lead to this, tradeoffs between strength and speed, etc… but perhaps there’s someone else who could have a finger pointed at him?

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wildcat

We will definitely see the Wildcat again this season, although no team is as good at it as the Dolphins are so that’s good news.

If we had it to do all over again, I wonder how a 5 man defensive front would have worked against the Wildcat? Miami substituted Pennington out of the game every time they ran the play, so we knew it was coming. I wonder if we would have been more effective if we had substitued one of the DBs for an extra DT or DE since we knew it was coming and couldn’t stop it with our base defense.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strength

And yet we waived our biggest and strongest DT (Taylor). Taylor was a wrestler in college (right?) and had the most bench press reps at the combine (for what it’s worth).

I would like to see Moala get some reps and see how he can do.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

taylor

Obviously strength isn’t everything. Brock Lesnar is damn strong too and it didn’t help him in Minnesota (definitely helps in the UFC so far though!)

That 225lb bench press test is a joke though, as strength goes. You can condition yourself to beat it and doing so is a total waste of time. How does doing something for reps like that at all replicate an NFL situation anyway? It’s pointless.

Moala should be good eventually, but so far he seems to still be learning. It’s funny – at this time last year, idiot Todd McShay insisted that both he and Malauga (sp) were going to be top 5 picks. Oops.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But I agree with your points about the Colts just not being a “strong” team. However, all that said, most of the shortcomings of this defense can easily be fixed. Gap control is a fixable issue, Powers will be back this week, and no teams run the Wildcat as well as the Dolphins do. Also, the Dolphins will likely not make the playoffs so that issue is dead.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some wildcat info

Nothing too in depth, but it discusses the formations and blocking on a few wildcat plays:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/cover-3/2009/cover3-schemes-and-dreams

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

On a side note

I used to love Bob Sanders. Then, he was always injured and I stopped liking him.

Then, games like the Dolphins game happen and I remember why I liked him so much. Bob is such a great tackler and playmaker. His ability to run in and blow up a play, similar to Polamalu, is uncanny.

After re-watching the Dolphins game, another thing struck me. Bethea and Bullitt, although good players, are too small and not physical enough to try tackling players above the waist like they typically try to do. Watch the tape again. Sanders is so good because he takes out the legs and makes the sure tackle that way. Bethea and Bullitt go high and more times than not bounce off of the other player, giving Miami (in this case) an extra 2-3 crucial yards.

Where is that tackling coach I was asking about a month ago?

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Sanders was injured at the time he was drafted

and missed the first half of his rookie season. Did you like him at Iowa?

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like his skillset and I like it when he is on the field.

I didn’t even know who he was at Iowa.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the at Iowa line was a joke

because he’s always been always injured in the pros (and did have some smaller injury issues in college).

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing i noticed when watching the Red Zone channel this weekend (best channel ever) is that the missed arm tackles on important plays are not unique to the Colts.

Not that that makes it OK, but when it’s our guys we tend to really key in on them and sometimes it’s just not a likely tackle anyway. If you’re barely shedding a block and a runner goes past at full speed at the edge of your reach, it’s not exactly an awesome matchup. So some of the tackles that someone like Bethea misses that bother us aren’t huge sins. (Total misses like the Browns on AP in week 1 during that one overhyped run, where two DBs had him totally surrounded and did absolutely nothing, though… that’s another story. And the title of that story is not “Adrian Peterson is God” in that instance like everyone said.)

But you’re right. Bob somehow finds a way to take what looks like a risky move and make it work damn near every time. You’d think it’d be easier to beat too – just jump over him – but he gets them anyway.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's so damn fast

Just like Polamalu. His limited play against Tennessee in week 1 was downright awesome to watch.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jennings = Crap

I think Giordano could play DB better than jennings. He has speed and can tackle. What can Jennings do better?

It seems that the only reason Jennings is still on this team is that Polian is to stubborn to give up on someone that he wasted such a high draft pick on. Let him go! Jason David almost always played better than I’ve seen Jennings play and he’s out of work. Give him a call and give Jennings his papers!

by tapper on Sep 23, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

right

Polian never gives up on his draft picks.

Taylor, Hughes, Condren, Hall, Howard, Hart, and Justice, all cut from drafts more recent than Jennings, beg to differ.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

There was a series of posts around cut-time detailing how Polian doesn’t give a care about draft position. And he doesn’t. He cares about talent, cost, and age, preferably high talent, low cost, and low age.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I blazed through my test in 20 minutes and sprinted back to my room just as the MNF theme song ended. Good thing too, with that 1st play. So, my streak of seeing every minute of every game since 2003 Tampa still stands. So, my Chem TA lives (for now).

by Cassieper on Sep 23, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he didn’t ever give up on them. I would discount all the players on your list that have been dumped by injuries first of all and I wouldn’t include Hart as being completely given up on yet. He’s still with the team, technically. Also, I’m talking about a (let me go check to be sure) yeah, 2nd round pick. That’s huge compared to 4th, 5th and 6th rounders. Ugoh is another 2nd rounder that I look at and wonder if he’ll be the next Jennings.

by tapper on Sep 23, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

Ugoh has talent and ability but they need to fix his head. If they can’t, they’ll ditch him. There’s no reason to keep a guy around who could get Manning hurt.

Jennings is around because he’s a fine 4th corner and isn’t as bad as people here think, not because people are being stubborn. Stupid and stubborn are Al Davis traits, not Bill Polian traits.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jennings & D

Hey everyone, I’ve been reading since preseason and really enjoy the articles & (usually) the comments.

For this week’s game, I thought the entire D played poorly. The front 4 couldn’t get any pressure even when they jumped offside 5 times. The infrequent blitzes were poorly disguised and easily picked up. The front 7 was routinely beaten and the secondary was left to do the tackling, which I thought they did with relative certainty.

To say Jennings was alone in his poor play is overlooking the rest of the team. Sure he was giving a cushion, but so was everyone. And from my perspective the majority of that goes to coaching, telling the DBs to give space and ‘avoid the big play’. The problem with that strategy is that the Colts can never create the big play for themselves. Powers, Hayden, and Marlin were intelligently aggressive in week 1 and played a fantastic game. Aside from the Wildcat, Jax and Miami are similar offensively but the defensive strategy was so different for each team. Very strange and I hope we see much more week 1 than week 2 the rest of the way.

by ian1432 on Sep 23, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Agree with that assessment. I think the Dolphins game was a matter of the Colts being forced into a position that they couldn’t handle given the injuries to both Powers AND Marlin. If either of those two were healthy enough to play significant minutes, it wouldn’t have been a big deal. Jennings was forced to play out of position and it hurt us.

In the end, we won the game and that’s the biggest thing when we couldn’t play the game the way we wanted to.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jennings wasn't out of position

Even when everyone is healthy, he plays (well, playED, now that Powers is here) the edge in nickel and Marlin slides inside.

Not totally sure what the rationale behind that is, other than that Marlin is more versatile, having played some safety as well as just being all around good in run support.

If Marlin was 100% though we still would’ve seen plenty of Jennings, since Hayden went out. Though they really didn’t play very much nickel at all til the 4th corner. Something like 2 plays total in the first 5 drives.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor choice of words

I didn’t mean out of position as it relates to being on the edge, I meant out of position as it relates to him being on the field at all.

Marlin isn’t a good cover corner either. He is better suited as a nickel back or safety I think. He is a good tackler.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

PERSONAL REVIEW

I was at the game Monday night, 50 yard line seats. I thought Jennings played a respectable game, made a few solid tackles and did not get beat for long gains. Pennington threw the same passes at Hayden’s side mostly all completions also.
It is also incorrect to report that the Colts missed a lot of tackles,,their tackling was solid. However the front 4 was dominated from first series until the end. Obviously they didnt study film from Dolphins previous game, as the linebackers were no where to be found on the wildcat formation. In many respects this was a mirror of the Minnesota game last year, lines completely dominated and Manning somehow “wills” the game.
Other things I noticed,,Gaurcon, altho fast, gets very little separation, defenders on him like glue. Manning doesnt look for Collie very often, doesnt look like he trusts him yet.
Robinson should have caught pass for a td, Manning threw it perfect for most tight ends, however Robinson is very slow, no wonder they few passes he catches are 5 or less yards. On the positive side,,,I did see some holes, both left and right, considering Colts only ran 11 times, this is hopeful. Protection other than the sack by Porter, was excellent. Brown his the hole faster than Addai, and showed he can catch. Manning threw a great pass, incredible accuracy with 8 seconds left in half to set up a FG. I would say most qb’s would have thrown “hail mary” or taken a knew

by oldnjcoltsfan on Sep 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You were at the game?

and you had 50 yard line seats? I’m extremely jealous. How far up were you?

I have season tickets and go to all of the home games, but I’ve always wanted to go to a road game. That’s something on my Bucket List for sure.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I blazed through my test in 20 minutes and sprinted back to my room just as the MNF theme song ended. Good thing too, with that 1st play. So, my streak of seeing every minute of every game since 2003 Tampa still stands. So, my Chem TA lives (for now).

by Cassieper on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hit Nashville and Cincy

they’re not too far away. Chicago either, in 3 years.

My favorite road venue so far was Houston. Easy to get along with the people, nice stadium, and a Colts victory.

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only been to Chicago

both the new and old versions of it. I would love to go to Houston, Tennessee or Boston to watch a Colts victory.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Running game

it bothers me that we only ran the ball 11 times in a close game where time of possession was a major factor in the effectiveness of our defense. Those guys were trying so hard but didn’t have the gas to be effective as the game went along. On the last play, Freeney and Mathis both quit their pass rush because they were so beat and tired.

Manning admits that Moore calls the plays and not Peyton. My biggest complaint with Moore is that he goes pass first all the time. I can’t blame him since we have #18, but we now have 2 solid running backs and I would like to see this team go back to the 06 style of ball control offense that paid off so well in the end.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Colts had an offensive drive while leading

they started every drive either tied or trailing if I remember right. That’s probably going to cause a pass heavy approach.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tied or trailing by 3?

To me that shouldn’t be the marker for going pass heavy. Trailing by more than 7 in the third quarter or beyond in a game where we are unable to effectively run the ball would signal a need for pass heavy in my opinion.

I just see so much talent and already proven ability in Brown and I want to see him get more touches. I don’t play fantasy football so it has nothing to do with that.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're taking what they're given

If there are obvious openings for big passing plays, they’re going to take them. Obviously they saw things in the defense that led to those calls.

Unless the Cards jump out to a big lead next week (they’d better not!) I think we’ll probably see some solid running plays. Maybe even a 100+ yard game! (What’s that?)

by willyduer on Sep 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see that

What if (and it’s a big what if) we win the game vs Arizona while rushing for over 100 and holding them to under 85 yards rushing?

It will go to show that the only thing that matters continues to be winning because getting into the playoffs (and hopefully winning the division) is the only way to be a contender for and win the Super Bowl.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's move on....

I want to talk about Arizona now.

"Put him on the board. Houshmazilli....got it. CHAMPIONSHIP!"

by AceOfSpades on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

they also trailed by a TD at least once

but I’m just saying that it could skew that stats a bit. It’s not an excuse to pull out the 07 Pats playbook, but I’d expect the run-pass balance to have a better strong relationship in good playcalling (given that the D isn’t selling out or especially weak in one aspect). Plus 11 runs sounds really bad, but less so in the context of 35 total offensive plays.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

screwed up my thought there

but I’d expect the run-pass balance to have a strong relationship with the margin, in good playcalling

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

isnt this also skewed

by the fac t that the colts either went 3 and out, or averaged 300miles per pass play? I’m sure they would have run the ball more, but every caught ball was averaging over 20 yards. Its hard to sustain a drive when you’re in the end zone in 3-4 plays.

My complain with run v pass and pass v run on Monday, and this has been a reoccurring theme in general, is it seems (and I stress SEEMS) that the Colts audible into runs a lot when it seems there is a blitz coming where they are running to. I don’t know if it just appears that way, if its dumby audibles, or what, but I can remember thinking more than once ‘run it here’, and they passed when it was a clear cover 2 shell and thinking ‘play action pass here!1111111111111’ when they were crowding the LOS, and they ran into a trainwreck of humanage.

Also, I think when the score was 20-13 and the Colts got to the 20, they were going to make a concerted effort to prolong that drive (it seemed like they had gone to shorter passes after they crossed midfield), and then stupid Donald Brown goes and rips off that long (for the Colts) TD run.

It was just a weird weird game. I would ignore the entire thing except the W, which is the only official stat that matters.

by SpazMo on Sep 24, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is some sweet analysis

both from Big Blue Shoe and the comments. Thanks to all. Plenty to chew on.

by Tom Lewis on Sep 24, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

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