From Twitter: Dwight Freeney has torn quad

by Brad Wells on Sep 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT in Colts News

This Twitter was sent from Will Carroll at injuryexpert:

Freeney has a torn quad. Waiting on MRI to see severity but sounds bad. Def out for Week 4.

Again, no confirmations as yet, but it sounds bad. Tip to kzmavz for the update.

~~If this information is indeed correct, Freeney's season is over~~.

[UPDATE]: As some have rightly pointed out in the comments, because this initial information is so vague, it is jumping the gun a bit to say "Freeney is done." As Cassieper and others have pointed out, this could be a Grade I or Grade II tear, which is not as devastating as a tendon tear, an ACL tear, or a broken foot. So, we'll wait and see.

One thing seems pretty certain: Dwight is out for next week against the Seahawks.

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lets hope

its not this bad! We NEED YOU FREENEY!!

by coltsfan723 on Sep 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

According to the first site I linked to

here, a muscle strain is the same thing as a tear. It’s all semantics. A tear just sounds worse. My diagnosis is so far correct. All that’s left is to determine the grade/severity of it.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions

By the way,

for my prognosis, I was really on the fence between Grade 1 and Grade 2. It really could be either. Grade 2 just makes if slightly iffy for the St. Louis game. Our bye week is really at a great spot this year.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I edited post

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by Brad Wells on Sep 28, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks.

No need to give Colts’ fans heart attacks. They already have enough to worry about.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

NOOOOOO!

A serious blow to a Superbowl run. Hopefully Freeney’s season isn’t over.

Hang in there big guy.

by gmarius on Sep 28, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions

This "tear" as Cass said, is not like "tearing" an ACL.

He is definitely gonna be out for the next couple weeks at least. Should be back by the New England game.

EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks.

I hate the thing with semantics. I purposely used the strain language in my FanPost because I thought that language best fit the prognosis.

By the way guys, the quadriceps is a big group of muscles, not one muscle. The # of muscles torn has a direct impact on the grade of the injury.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

damnit

by MARVININDY on Sep 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions

Probably a grade I, possibly a II

There’s no way it’d be completely torn. He wouldn’t have walked off the field and he would’ve been writhing on the ground in pain. I’ve had a grade I before and I’ve seen a grade III. He could be back in two weeks easily, if he pushed it (which I wouldn’t suggest) he could probably play this week.

At least it’s only muscle.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Sep 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions

You've had a Grade 1?

Can you give me a little anecdotal of what that was like? You know, how long the pain lasted, how long you had to stay off it….etc.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

When it first happened there was a “POP”. It went a bit cold and the leg was a little unstable but the knee was fine. Swelled a bit and hmm…not sure if you’ve ever slightly torn a muscle, but it burns a bit and tightens up a little. Your range of movement goes down a little but after being off of it and then stretching it ended up just being sore after about two weeks like a little too much of a workout then was pretty much back to normal in 3 weeks.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Sep 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh

Guess I should’ve said that I tore the ligaments in my ankle (which eventually jacked the tendons by my toes) and that was more of a POP POP POP. Didn’t exactly hurt at first but it felt like you were kneed in the you know where. That was a “deeper” one. That swelled up so fast that I had to take my shoe off about 30 minutes later.

My SLAP tear was probably the one I was really “Oh crap” about. That one I could almost feel just get extremely tight and then way to loose. That one hurt the most. And still hurts pretty bad on and off, been dealing with an ortho on that.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Sep 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

breathe, breathe, breathe

Wow, I freaked out when I read the headline, but the comments sound more reassuring.

by Jamison1 on Sep 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions

sheet

please don’t let it be a serious injury

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Sep 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions

"Def out for week 4"

This is not something the injury expert dude would write if he believed the diagnosis entailed being out for the season.

by shoein on Sep 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah.

It was obvious he was out for week 4. I would have put everything I owned on that when I filed the Dr. Cass report.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

hopefully

its only a few weeks. we are a completely different team with out 93 out there. Although, Brock has been playing well lately. It would hurt the DT rotation to take Brock out of it.
Why hasn’t Moala played yet? Does he suck that bad?

by indyboys on Sep 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions

Hasn't learned the defense.

The other guys are better and have more experience. Give Moala time.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Is there a possibility that Phillip Wheeler

could play some DE?

"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."

by KMR24 on Sep 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions

Don't see it.

Expect lots of Dawson and Brock until the St. Louis game. We may also sign a veteran for depth.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Why don't you see it?

He played quite a few snaps at DE after Free went out. He immediately had pressure.

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on Sep 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Wheeler looked great at DE

by 18to87 on Sep 28, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

WHARRGARBL!

This blows goat balls. This is a bigger loss than any other player possibly could be minus a certain QB.

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by MrNFL on Sep 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions

Did you read the 20 comments

above yours?

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry, 40 comments.

Forgot to refresh the page.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Even if it's a best case of a month or two

I stand by my WHARRGARBL

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by MrNFL on Sep 28, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

That's fine.

I was just making sure you weren’t thinking he’s going to be out for the year. There is a next-to-nothing chance of that happening.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

What if he comes back but isn't the same speed he used to be?

That would suck

by laker on Sep 28, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

That would suck,

but I’ve seen no evidence of that happening from my research.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

BBS

I can’t believe you just wrote that his season was over. Did you even do any research at all on a muscle tear or did you just assume it was the same as tearing an ACL? He is definitely out week 4, and everyone on here should have assumed that.

I had a muscle tear in high school. I was running my 40 and felt a pop just like freeney did. I immediately went down (almost exactly like Barber did last week). I felt slight pain, but played the rest of practice, then woke up the next morning and could barely walk. I was stubborn and didn’t tell anyone until the next practice (two days later). Our trainer sucked and provided me no treatment other than ice, advil, and stretching. I was out about 5 weeks and played the rest of the season through the pain.

If he tore the tendon, or if it was grade 3 (in which case he probably would have been carted off), then yeah, he’s done for the season. But nothing in that tweet assumes that. That tweet is absolutely no basis to assume he is done for the year. He may well be, but that tweet proves absolutely nothing other than he’s out next week and probably one or two more weeks at the least.

by npb1985 on Sep 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions

Just saw the update. Disregard.

by npb1985 on Sep 28, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

OK

I will stress that if, and right now it is indeed an if, Freeney is hurt, the season is not “over.” The Colts have a new defense with new people running the show.

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by Brad Wells on Sep 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh S**t....

I just had a grade one heart attack upon hearing this news.

by MileHighHoosier on Sep 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions

recommended treatment: R-I-C-E

Raise a glass
Implore the gods that Freeney heals quickly
Curse the refs for not calling more hands to the face / offensive holding
Elevate another glass

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Sep 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

+ sideways eight

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Freeney is the second most valuable player on this roster

No 93 cost us the 2007 season…
At least all you anatomy experts aren’t expecting a catastrophe.

by torontocoltsfan on Sep 28, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions

The thing is what if he loses his explosiveness because of this.

by laker on Sep 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Devil's advocate question

A few commentators have noted that Freeney walked off under his own power, smiling as he went, and that nobody who had anything but a Grade 1 or Grade 2 quad tear could have done so. Something sticks in my mind like a bad smell… Brady walked off the field last year under his own power after showing very little pain. He was said to have screamed on the field when he was first hit, and he wasn’t smiling as he left, but he nevertheless walked off. I know the injuries are different – quad v. tendons, but could Freeney have been that tough if the injury is in fact a Grade III, or are we talking about physically impossible?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Sep 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions

Brady's ACL and Freeney's quad

are not even close to being the same thing. Brady was down on the field for a while before he walked off slowly. He was obviously in pain, too. I had a muscle tear (twice) in high school. It is not nearly as bad as an ACL, unless it is a severe grade 3 or a tendon tear (in which case he would have been carted off probably). If it were either of those, then Dwight is one tough SOB for not showing an ounce of discomfort in his face because most people would be in a lot of pain.

by npb1985 on Sep 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

great thanks

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Sep 28, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Personal experience

Had a bad shoe which decided to go one way and my foot decided to go another way when I took a shot from a winger. The ankle “popped” and swelled up like a golf ball in minutes. I couldn’t even put any weight on that foot after that.
Constant icing and rest for 5-7 days was what cured it.
But if Freeney was able to walk after the injury, it may not be a serious injury. I’ve seen guys with severe quad injuries (usually happens in a bad pileup after a scrum) and as someone said you can’t walk off the field like that.
Of course the in-house PT is the best person to answer this :)

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by rangerover76 on Sep 28, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions

Just to be clear.

Are you talking about rugby?

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes sir

Even though rugger doesn’t see even half the kind of injuries AF sees, some of them are pretty similar.

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by rangerover76 on Sep 29, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Polian show

from DaveMiami at Coltfreaks.com:

Listening to Polian’s radio show right now. He’s mention Freeney a couple times, said the tests were done today and that there should be some kind of results later in the evening. But he wouldn’t say anything definitive and said that he didn’t think there would be anything definitive to say for quite some time. Also said that Freeney was walking around last night and told Polian he felt good and that if he can walk he can play.

by coltus on Sep 28, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions

Good to hear.

Still banking on a more-severe Grade 1. We’ll see him back for St. Louis. Honestly, we don’t need him for Seattle/Tennessee that much.

The sky isn’t falling yet guys. We can return to enjoying the Cardinals win now :-)

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Raheem Brock

will also eat your baby

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on Sep 28, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

That is so obviously Photoshopped.

I still love it though.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

we can haz open thread for MNF?

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Sep 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions

I would be happy if we haz one.

Would hopefully take the talk off of Colts’ fans panicking over Freeney.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

would be but better not to

we want them to read this thread that way they wont be panicking anymore. i think we have clarified or i should say u guys have. we have poeple that can and have stepped up last time he was hurt we will be fine lets just hope and pray he takes his time and is 100 percent so he doesnt re injure it.

by TheAngelsColts on Sep 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

was worried

this is good to here and its always nice to have a PT to talk to when injuries are involved instead of all the sepculation u can get from people that no nothing about injuries :). i think that he is out till at least the rams. i would think even if it is a grade 1 and it is possible he would be able to play next game that he should still sit till after the bye cause the worst thing that we could have happen is he come back and strain it worse and actally be out the full season.

by TheAngelsColts on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions

Agree fully.

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by Cassieper on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Freeney is tough he'll get better

He’ll use this as a motivation just watch he’ll end with 13+ TD’S

by wayneoutofthebatcave on Sep 28, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions

Take this for what it's worth

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=11214464

8:40 update – Sources tell Eyewitness Sports Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney will be out for at least a month with an injury to his right quadriceps.

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by Jake Whitacre on Sep 28, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions