Last word on Chris Johnson's classless Twitter comment and the stupidity at SBNation.com
Over the weekend, we had a little incident involving me, Titans running back Chris Johnson, and a very bad article written at SBNation.com. The writers at SBNation.com seem to take exception to my criticism of their article regarding Chris Johnson's antics on Twitter and a SBNation.com editor's claim that Peyton Manning did not deserve to win his NFL record fourth MVP award. While the incident happened roughly two ago, the real news that is the NFL Playoffs prevented me from writing any kind of meaningful counter-response. With Sunday's games now over, I now have the opportunity to wrap-up what happened and offer some final thoughts.
On certain occasions, when the SBNation.com editors are not posting breaking news, they will write articles about sports or sports events in general, like Andrew Sharp did when he basically claimed Peyton Manning did not deserve to win his 4th NFL MVP award. Often, these articles written by SBNation.com editors are very informative and offer insightful commentary, like this one.
In Andrew's case, the article was anything but.
In fact, the article was an example of the kind of writing we often see on the lazy, over-paid, big media front rather than the normal content we expect from SBNation.com. However, instead of using my normal tact of insulting Andrew and the five or six other people who agree with him on this subject, I'll try a different approach: I'll ask him and others to try and see it from the point of view of Colts fans.
Here we are Saturday, celebrating our favorite player, Peyton Manning. He just won his NFL record fourth MVP award, and he did so in landslide fashion by gathering nearly 80% of the vote. By winning his fourth MVP, Manning is now beginning to establish himself as not just the best quarterback of his generation, but as the best quarterback of all-time; maybe the best player of all-time. For us Colts fans, this award is yet another uppercut across the face of those people who have screamed since 1998 that "Peyton Manning is an over-rated choker."
While in the midst of our celebration, after weeks of hearing (mostly from me) that the team was wrong to bench starters against the Jets, we head over to SBNation.com to read what they are thinking about Manning and his legacy. What do we get?
Nothing.
We get a generic news article telling us Manning won, and after that we get Andrew's article. When important events (like a great NFL player winning a record fourth MVP) are not truly commented on by a brand we all know and trust (SB Nation) it tends to piss off us diehard sports fans who are looking for real, insightful commentary.
Also, to make matters worse, when we Colts fans called Andrew out on his article, we were essentially labeled (in a very passive-aggressive and sarcastic way) as over-zealous, crazy, and hyper-sensitive.
Interestingly, these are labels and tactics often thrown at blogs in general by (you guessed it!) mainstream media outlets.
I hope that you all now understand where I come from when I attack articles and writers that present lazy or illogical arguments. At places like ESPN, when Skip Bayless goes on TV, talks a bunch of nonsense, and no one else throughout the day calls him out on it, the network loses credibility. It is because of issues like this that created the need for blogs in the first place. At SB Nation, when someone (Andrew Sharp) writes an article Skip Bayless would smile at, someone like me is going to respond and hold him accountable because, seemingly, no one else at SBNation.com will.
In my humble, schmucktastical opinion this makes our network better. Of course, the process is reciprocal. I am not above criticism. However, when someone does it, I expect them to be up front and in my face about it. Passive-aggressive sarcasm is about as brave, honest, and noble as Chris Johnson Tweeting that Peyton Manning robbed him of an MVP rather than being man enough to say it to his face.
On that note, bring on the playoffs!
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Ahhh...
more bad journalism…what is the world coming to? Glad you can be our beacon and keep things real!!
Regarding the CJ tweet…people are too darn sensitive. I took it as a joke…I don’t think he was serious….and who the hell cares anyway?
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Imagine if Peyton had said something like that after CJ won an MVP
Would people take that as a “joke?”
And no, CJ wasn’t joking. He even spelled Peyton’s name wrong. The guy is a douche.
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It's true that
the tweet could have been a joke, but misspelling Peyton’s name clearly shows it wasn’t.
The problem with our electronic world
is that people can’t always tell joking or sarcasm. It can be difficult to decipher so I generally give people the doubt if they say they meant one thing over the other.
He may be a douche
But I’m actually almost 100% when I say that I don’t think he “misspelled” anything. Great athlete, but pretty ignorant from what I’ve seen elsewhere.
That's a BINGO!
The media would barbeque Peyton Manning...
They would call him out on it and make it a huge story. They would call it a distraction and probably call him a “cry baby”…
This is truth
But if a Colts player doesn’t bow down before the media, says the right thing, does anything but win it explodes. The worst journalism I’ve ever seen was how they tried to make Marvin look like Lucifer incarnate last year. They had a few thousand word article that contradicted itself, used false reports and rumors as facts, and never once got his side of the story. Not allowing a side to state their point, especially when it’s a smear campaign, is breaking one of the cardinal rules of journalism. That’s what differentiates “reporting or journalism” from “tabloids”.
There was a great article I may dig up around that time that basically called out ESPN and other media outlets on how they “reported”. Essentially it said that the story, or more specifically breaking it first, was the crown jewel and there was no journalistic integrity. I think BBS had it at one point or shake..I forget. But basically they treated each network as a “franchise” that was “competing”. All these journalists and reporters were treated like free agents. That’s why they were ending up with Emmit Smiths (who wasn’t that bad other than just not knowing how to communicate) and the Cris Carters (who flat out should have been fired for saying twice during a radio broadcast that he would literally like to shoot T.O.) of the world. All they do is sit around and talk about their suits looking awesome now and either cheesing to the camera or trying to come up with THE POINT. It doesn’t matter what the point is as long as it’s THE POINT. That’s where all this absurd crap comes from. end rant
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by monstersbox on Jan 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
I kind of got a kick out of thinking that quiet little Marvin might be all Tommy DeVito on the inside.
Would people take that as a joke?
Yeah, probably. Why wouldn’t they? Does anyone think that an NFL player is going to drive to another player’s house and steal his MVP award?
Unless… this wouldn’t have anything to do with CJ being black and Peyton being white, would it?
Also, BBS calling someone a “douche” for bad spelling is just… wow.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
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Me missppelliiiiing the word “schmuck” is one thing. Anyone missspellinggg Peyton Manning’s name is another. The guy is on every commercial ever made. Mispelling his name is like forgetting how to say spell Barak Obama.
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I wasn't going to call him out on it
I thought it was endearing.
Some people you hope to never meet in person because the visual image you have in your head of them is too awesome.
That's a BINGO!
Exactly
:)
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I'd probably actually say it's worse
I could see people misspelling Obama. I think it’d be more like misspelling Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. He’s basically been the face of football since he was a rookie and has only furthered his legend by miraculously improving almost every season. Which is crazy.
Not to mention “Peyton” is not that uncommon of a name. But if you flipped it and Peyton sent out a tweet that misspelled something like Jamaal by typing it “Jamal”, he’d probably be called a racist honkie. Is it honkie or honkey? Honkey looks too much like a beer game that’s similar to hockey.
That's a BINGO!
I see what you did there
Intentionally, outrageously misspelling a bunch of words == COMEDY GOLD!!!!
Obviously I’m missing the subtle satire in your mistake-filled articles.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
Peyton never would write that...
…he doesn’t care. His team’s in the playoffs and he’s already won three. Perhaps you could see this situation from a NON-Colts fan’s point of view? Chris Johnson had the best individual season (not team season, but individual) in the entire NFL. That’s not debatable. He broke total yards from scrimmage as well as the 2000 yards rushing mark. That’s equivalent to Manning throwing for 45 TDs and breaking Marino’s yardage mark.
CJ had almost 600 yards more than the second place rusher. That’s a 43% increase over the second place rusher. That alone shows how valuable he is to the Titans- a Titans team with no passing game. Defenses enter the game knowing full well that CJ will be their main weapon just like people know that Peyton will be the Colts’ weapon. However, CJ wasn’t stopped. He rushed for 20+ yards almost twice as many times as Adrian Peterson (22 vs 12).
Was Manning deserving of the MVP award? Absolutely. Take away Manning and the Colts are not a playoff team. However, to not see the merit of discussing the lack of votes towards Chris Johnson is a result of blind homerism. Chris Johnson is clearly joking- would you take OchoCinco seriously if he tweeted that? Of course not. CJ is a competitor who likes to have fun. He may not spell words correctly, which adds to your ire, but he’s posting those comments in good spirit. Hell, CJ even challenged Usain Bolt to a foot race. He’s here to have fun. Give him a break.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure you're a Pats' fan?
I find myself in agreement with you the majority of the time.
/shudders
As far as CJs comment, I don’t care. He’s trying to be the Chad Johnson of the Titans is all. So what? I’m more concerned that he actually attended college and speaks the way he does. That’s a sad state of affairs if you ask me.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be serious...
…50% of football players who make it to the NFL aren’t in college to learn.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
True.
Unfortunate, but true. One career ending-injury away from hawking cell phones at the local mall kiosk.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's what the absurd signing bonuses are for!
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
One career-ending injury
from being a football “expert” or “analyst” on ESPN.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 12, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
zing!
Lucky us, eh?
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
yea no one denies (i dont at least) he deserved votes
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
"He deserved some votes"
The people who have used that argument still say that Manning should win. Let’s say that those people were voters. They think Manning should win, but also that Chris Johnson had an incredible season. Would those people cast their vote for Manning or Chris Johnson?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 12, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure he was being serious
Especially since he basically said that he was going for both Dickerson’s record and the MVP. He had been making noise about it for a few weeks. That’s probably about the time that I mentally thought a guy going for the MVP over just trying to be a good team player is a little contradictory.
That's a BINGO!
^^THIS^^^^
I wonder why everyone seems to forget this. There has been no indication that CJ was joking. All evidence appears otherwise.
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Of course CJ might be disappointed in not garnering a single vote...
…but look at what he wrote. He said that he was going to go and pick up the award from his house. That’s a humorous statement. Even if there was some resentment, he made a joke out of it. If he was really serious, he could have tweeted, “wat da hell i was robbd a my award!” or something to that degree. But he didn’t. Any competitor in the NFL wants to win the MVP award. When the Titans were eliminated from the playoffs, they made it a team effort for CJ to try and break the rushing record and win the MVP. An MVP award for CJ would be an MVP award for the Titans team. CJ had one of the top rushing seasons of ALL TIME. Maybe even one of the best individual seasons of ALL TIME. He has a right to be disappointed.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
First of all,
most of my spite is about Andrew Sharp’s article. He was not joking or was humorous in any way. He flat-out stated that CJ deserved the MVP, and when we dared to question his opinion (see how I flipped that from what Sharp said), he didn’t answer any of the criticism. He didn’t address any arguments that we presented. Instead, he went on a sarcastic rant about Colts fans in general. My spite is reserved for Sharp, who deserves to be roasted for that pathetic excuse for an article.
What I took from CJ’s tweet is that he felt that he should have won the award. I completely disagree with that and will argue with anyone all day about that. Aside from the minor annoyance of him spelling one of his rival’s names wrong, that’s what I took from the tweet.
Looking back over the comment, I realize that’s kind of a roundabout response, so I hope you get what I’m saying.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
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Alright,
I get the feeling (and I’m sure most of the other people who come here) that most of you are upset at the thought of someone thinking they deserve the award when Manning already won it. You can see my response at the top of these comments as to why CJ at least being considered for MVP isn’t illogical. I’m sure CJ feels slighted that no one considered him the MVP.
Seriously, Favre got more votes then him? Really? Anyone should be upset when Favre gets more votes than you.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not upset about
somebody saying that someone else deserved the award. I can sort of see the case for CJ. I don’t buy it because how can someone be so valuable when their effort didn’t get their team to the playoffs? Offensive/Defensive player of the year is meant for awards that are merited JUST on stats. Either way, I am alright wit someone making that argument, however, I don’t believe it should be made at the expense of Peyton. It’s one thing to say CJ deserved, another to say Peyton didn’t deserve it.
Hope that makes sense.
I also didn’t care about CJ’s tweet. He maybe an arrogant schmuck (tm BBS), but that doesn’t mean he’s not heck of a fball player. And fair fball play is all I care about.
im in full agreement my problem was with sharps article not CJ's comments
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
But, c'mon Cass -
who cares? Peyton has way too much class to ever pull anything like that. For that we should all be grateful.
CJ’s a great runner; a truly ignorant human being, but a great runner.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about Peyton there.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is JD's best daydream. Cracks me up every time.
No it wasn't a joke...
I’m sure Chris Johnson was serious. He went out and publicly started his own campaign to open the debate on him being in the MVP conversation. This happened to be the week before they played us by the way.
As the great Mark Levy has said, “Ability without character, will not win…”
I’m not saying Chris Johnson is a bad guy. In fact all that have encountered him have said he is anything but a bad guy. But true greatness doesn’t buy into their own hype. The problem with Chris Johnson is he bought into his own hype.
Hype???
He is a 2000 yard rusher…not bad really. I’m glad we can all sit on here and read a tweet and know the exact feelings of someone when they wrote it. You all must have a gift that I don’t……
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Chris Johnson would have an argument..
If Steven Jackson had been bitching for years about getting it. It’s not called the MTP (most talented player), it’s MVP. Valuable generally means “of great use”, important, or helpful. I may have disagreed with how BBS kind of said “You MUST make the playoffs to get it”, but he’s kind of right. Value is almost something tangible, so it kind of insinuates either something literally or…hmm..metaphysically? tangible. Which means either wins, playoff berth, or definitely the Lombardi.
Now I’ll agree that maybe the award shouldn’t be awarded until after the SB, but there’s a ton of factors that make the playoffs an unfair playing field and not everyone gets the same breaks. 8 home games, 8 road games, same schedule as everyone else, that allows everyone to have the same playing field.
And I’m sorry, a team that finishes third within their division and an 8-8 record has nothing to show for it other than a top 20 draft pick. Peyton hasn’t had a top pick to add to the mix since he was in his early 20s. Not to mention two HoF receivers that are from two different generations combined with first a second year guys looking like studs and probably a HoF receiving TE all need a QB to throw those passes.
That’s more of a rant than actually a response to your post. But if Chris Johnson is buttsore about not getting the MVP, Brees should have been irate and slashing Peyton’s tires last season. I mean, the Saints were 8-8 and Brees probably could have easily broken the passing record if he wanted to throw one more pass.
Not to mention that’s only the second time someone has gone past 5k yards. Although Peyton could have done that a couple times probably if he wasn’t sitting. You realize he’s probably sat over a season’s worth of games? Crazy. Anyway, CJ’s 2k season is the 6th one in history and Campbell only missed 2k by 64 yards. Factor in several of those were done in less games, and only Terrell Davis and Barry Sanders (who shared it with Favre) were the only two who won an MVP off that list. And they both made the playoffs.
Pretty simple really. QBs mean more to the team. 90% of the time a QB is more valuable to the team than a skill position player. Their chance for failure is exponentially higher than a RB or WR. RBs run by instinct. RBs are way easier to replace. Just look at Dom’s rookie year stats when Edge went out. His ypc was higher than Edge had his entire career, but you’d accuse someone of smoking crack saying Dom was anywhere near what Edge was. Pshh, look at who replaced Davis when he started having his injuries. Olandis Gary was a rookie in 99 and rushed for 1159 yards and had 7 TDs in 12 games. Not saying he’d break 2k yards, but Addai would probably be considered one of the elite backs in that scheme with that line and how they play. I don’t think Vince Young would be rocking it like Peyton though.
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You'll be disappointed with the brevity of my response...
…but while CJ’s 2k is a big deal, he broke the record for yardage from scrimmage. That means he helped both the rushing and passing game. He was basically the entire Titans’ offense, they just needed to bench Kerry Collins so they could get the ball in CJ’s hands more.
You make a great argument as to why Peyton won. It’s just that CJ was disregarded from consideration when he had one of the best seasons of all time from ANY position.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
My point
Is that it definitely is impressive, it’s not actually valuable.
Let’s put it this way. If you had a 600hp engine that you spent all your money on, but couldn’t afford anything else, you’re probably either going to kill yourself or at least cause a wreck. At the very best, you’re probably going to finish the middle to last in the race. The most VALUABLE part on any vehicle are the tires. Plain and simple. It’s the only part of the vehicle that actually transfers the entirety of the effort, money, and technology to build that car onto the road.
You can have anything else you want on a car, but you’re not doing anything without tires. So while Chris Johnson maybe a tricked out RB26DETT shipped directly from Japan (The R33 Skyline engine) with crappy wheels, most QBs are the tires of the “car”. However, it just so happens that Peyton is the wheels, tires, engine, trunk, tire iron, and whatever else you can imagine in a car.
When Chris Johnson has an entire team built around him, and isn’t a part that was placed on a team that was designed to rush the ball even before he got there, he’d have a point.
That's a BINGO!
I guess we just have different intepretations of what CJ means to the Titans...
…I’m understanding that you see him as the centerpiece that everything revolves around. I see him as the only piece and he carries the rest.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
No analogy needed.
CJ was tearing up the league when they were losing. VY comes in and they start winning. I’d say VY was more valuable to that team then CJ.
by ActionOxford on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's less of a factor of Vince Young doing things...
…and more of a “Kerry Collins NOT doing things”. Collins had the tendency to turn the ball over as well as take plays away from CJ. VY comes in, they start doing short passes to CJ (he led the team in receptions) and hand the ball off more.
Look at Mark Sanchez. When the Jets are winning, it’s not BECAUSE of Sanchez. It’s because Sanchez is letting the people around him perform. When they lose, it’s because Sanchez is turning the ball over by trying to do too much.
Current Sanchez:Vince Young as Mid Season Sanchez:Kerry Collins.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
But they definitely lost because of him
Because a QB means way more to a team than a RB does. Which, to me at least, would make them seem more valuable. Hey, Peterson fumbled a crapload, but they still won games. Peterson meant as much or more to the Vikings last season as Chris Johnson. But they didn’t start winning until Favre got there. And since Favre got there, even Peterson actually sucking for a stretch there, the Vikings were still winning. So take the best back in the league (and as was said, I believe that would actually be MJD or Ray Rice would be on the same level as CJ as well) and match him up to the best QB in the league. Put them on the same team, and play 100 games. I’m certain the team with the best QB would win significantly more games than the one with the RB. I mean Matt Stafford wasn’t the best player in the draft, but he was the #1 pick as has been the case with a QB more often than not, because QBs are more valuable to teams. I think there’s probably a handful of players that could do what Johnson did this season at RB.
Peyton set the NFL record for most comebacks in a season. Peyton had a QB rating over 90 10 times this season. Peyton passed for over 300 yards 9 times (10 if you include his 299 yards vs Baltimore) in the 14 games he didn’t sit early. His lowest passing yardage was 220, and he threw 4 TDs in that game. Peyton did this without his #1 (well, Marvin was a little more like a #2 last season, but it’s still the loss of a HoF receiver) and #3 receivers last season. The receivers he had this year were the #4 receiver who got to play in a final week garbage game, and someone that wasn’t on the team at all last season.
Yes, CJ’s total rushing yards at the end of the season are great. But did they lead to coming from behind in the 4th quarter? Name one team, just one, that was actually considered a legitimate rushing defense that he rushed for over 100 yards on. You can’t because he didn’t.
Not to mention if you notice the trend just after his MVP campaign, his carries went WAAAY up from what they were previously. Know why? Because they said screw it, they were essentially out of the playoffs so let him go for the record. The only game he didn’t have close to, or over 30 carries (36 in the final game even though he only averaged 3.7 ypc) was when they were totally decimated by SD. And he had almost a 7 ypc average and almost 150 yards that game. So it’s blatantly clear that he was GOING for the record. That doesn’t make you valuable, I’m sorry.
If you wanted to apply your logic to the entire league, Steven Jackson should have multiple MVPs by now. Not only is he far and away the best player on their team, he’s one of the best RBs in the entire league. And there’s absolutely nothing else other than him on that team at all. Or Barry Sanders should have way more than one shared MVP. Devin Hester should’ve definitely won it in 2005 and 2006. They didn’t have anything else that was a threat at all on their team and they made it to the SB.
That's a BINGO!
Again, you're valuing other members on the team...
…Peyton’s stats are so great in part because of how great of a passer he is, but also because of the talent (Wayne, Clark, Collie, the O-Line) that surrounds him. Manning has the ability to spread his value around to benefit others- yes that makes the quarterback the most valuable position on the team. However, with Chris Johnson, he doesn’t have the ability to pass his value around. It’s CJ and his O-line. He doesn’t have a strong passing game, just like Manning doesn’t have a strong running game. Doesn’t that mean CJ is just as, if not more, valuable as Manning?
You say that the QB is the most valuable position. Manning is, and no is is disputing this, the most valuable QB in the league. Put Manning in a situation without Wayne, without Clark and without a Pro-Bowl O-Line. His numbers and wins will look much more pedestrian. Is that his fault? No. That’s the situation that CJ is in. Manning’s stats are reliant much more on his supporting cast than CJ’s. Does that take away from Manning? No. But that shouldn’t take away from CJ either.
Also, yes. Steven Jackson should be in the running for MVP more often than he is. I’d support that 100%. If I had to pick the top 10 MVP candidates, I’d support:
1. Manning
2. CJ
3. Ray Rice
4. Steven Jackson
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Darelle Revis
7. Wes Welker
8. Drew Brees
9. Charles Woodson
10. MJD
in that order.
And your points are more pointing out the flaw in MVP voting than in those players. Barry Sanders definitely should have won more. Just as the Heisman trophy is “Best QB or RB on a BCS Bowl team”, the MVP is “Best QB or Record Setting RB on a playoff team”. CJ was slighted because his team didn’t make the playoffs, not from any lack of effort on his part. His defense was broken for the early part of the season which led to early defeats. It’s sad, but it’s true.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
You also state that the Vikings only became a threat when Favre joined...
…couldn’t you also make the argument that Brady’s MVP award is undeserving because he wasn’t posting those numbers until Randy Moss or Wes Welker joined the team? No, because Brady’s talent was there and it wasn’t until he was surrounded by talent that his value was shown. Manning’s in a situation where his value is visible. CJ has no talent around him and that’s why he’s not the MVP.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
1/12 THIS IS CURRENTLY UP ON THE TITANS SITE
Vote Chris Johnson as FedEx Ground Player of the Year
Go vote- Not only because he is a Titan, but because he deserves it. While you are there vote for anyone besides Peyton Manning for the air portion.
Don't be a schmuck...
I’m not calling his accomplishment hype… He is a great dynamic back.
What I’m saying is that he bout into his own hype. He started his own campaign to be the MVP over Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers. You know those players that actually carry their teams…
Greatness doesn’t need to start personal campaigns for recognition. Greatness is seen for what it is… He is a 2000 yard rusher sitting at home.
So as of right now the point is whether or not he was serious about his tweet or not… he left it totally to interpretation and right now it was interpreted to be a homer tweet that makes him look as stupid as the tweet he tweeted!
How's this for up-front?
BBS, you’re too sensitive. Chris Johnson isn’t going over to Peyton’s house to steal his MVP trophy. He’s a hyper-competitive guy who didn’t get the prize he wanted and he’s blowing off steam about it. That doesn’t make him a “douche”, a “schmuck”, a “loser” or any other brand of bad person.
Also, spelling Peyton Manning’s name correctly isn’t his job. I’m guessing that CJ is better at spelling than you are at breaking a tackle. Everyone has their strengths.
By the by, you already did insult Andrew Sharp in your previous article, calling him a “silly loser”. If he insulted you back… well, can you blame him?
Jesus, get the chip off your shoulder already. It’s like it’s not enough for you to have the winningest team of the decade with arguably the greatest QB ever to play the game. God forbid everyone doesn’t roll over and agree with that sentiment, or BBS will throw an absolute hissy fit.
Finally, use a fucking lead paragraph. Put the rest of the rant after the break. Please stop burying other articles under a mountain of rants.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
by szquirrel on Jan 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
On a side note,
this is now the 100th time BBS has used the word schmuck in a story! Congrats BBS!
Many of the things BBS said in this article I already said on SBNation.com.
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I'm just disappointed it was a well deserved use of the word schmuck.
Did you count the times he might have misspelled the word?
Record
I’m trying to set a record.
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I think you already did.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
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It needs more cowbell.
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Ask and ye shall receive...
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I've not really been here very long
but I guess it is.
But look at how many comments are in BBS’s opinion related posts compared to say mgrex’s stats related posts even though the content is far superior.
its not just you
ive been a die hard fan since as far back as i can remember and i cant ever remember having such an idiotic, snooty bunch of fans ever. peyton doesnt give a crap about chris johnson’s tweet or what anyone on here thinks about chris johnson’s tweet. it seems to me that a lot of people on here including the author of the above article feel like they have some viable stake in the colts franchise. get over yourselves—-really.. these articles are just snide opinions of someone else’s opinion. there is no real news or facts on here—just someones self indulgence of trying to be a part of something that really is quite fine without them—bbs your sense of journalism is skewered—true journalism should be factual and non biased. you seem to lack in both aspects.
Really?
His sense of journalism is “skewered”? Is that your final answer?
Skewered like this?

by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Mmmmmm....kebabs...
…however, they don’t look straight and vertical in that picture. They look skewed to the right.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is part of your
grand plan to fatten me up so you can have Spaz all to yourself, isn’t it?
Or is it part of the plan to have me be worthy of Eyebrow Busted Navel Man?
Ahhh
The ol’ Chunky Soup commercial curse….
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
So let me get this straight...
Bitching about bitching makes it…not bitching? Is that like a double bitchative?
Hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinions, but accusing something who has repeatedly stated “I am not a journalist, I am a blogger. I have claimed this several billion times, however, apparently people don’t understand this.” is…well..just no. If you keep calling something that it isn’t, and it actually said it isn’t, it’s not just going to magically change into what you’ve made up your mind it is.
I’m sorry, apparently I’m a little awe struck that someone feels soooo “OOO! I JUST GOTTA SAY SOMETHING!” about something probably shouldn’t be taking the tactic of “Who cares? I obviously don’t care because I’m above you! Saying stuff that I don’t agree with on a blog (that I don’t care about) deserves a response! But I really don’t care about my response, I’ve just decided to waste my time by telling you I don’t care.”
Yeah, little confusing isn’t it? However, that’s the point of a blog. Nobody actually cares that much. It’s a place for people who are passing time to ramble on something they’re interested in. Let me know when you start your blog up at www.IDON‘TCARE.com and I’ll swing on by and make sure to bitch about how I don’t care more than YOU don’t care.
That's a BINGO!
A blog is one large editorial with columnists that don't get paid.
We’re all columnists! Some just have more exposure than others.
by Gwen on Jan 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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I'd understand it more
If Chris Johnson was actually the best RB out there. I’d say MJD and AP are both better.
Mm
Definitely MJD. I think AP fumbles waaay too much for that honor though. Steven Jackson’s a better back than AP is, just plays for a crap team. Ray Rice is pretty sweet too. Chester Taylor doesn’t have the touches he does because they’re saving AP. He’s just better at pass blocking and receiving.
AP is definitely one of the best rushers, just not RB since it implies the entire duties of the position. I think Beanie Wells may end up shining…just maybe not for a team that doesn’t know what anything other than passing is.
That's a BINGO!
I would rank them...
…
1. Chris Johnson – Best all around back. Teams make defenses AGAINST him and can’t stop him.
2. Steven Jackson – Only player on the Rams. Terrible situation, terrible everything, yet still produces.
3. Maurice Jones-Drew – I put him in the same category as CJ. Tremendous all around back, but he CAN get slowed if the defense is geared for him.
4. Ray Rice – He’s a great all around threat, but he has the help of having SOME offense around him (unlike the above 3).
5. Adrian Peterson – He’s not gotten worse, it’s just that everyone else has raised their level of performance.
Yeah. Peterson’s production is down because of St. F****, but when he HAS has the ball, he just isn’t the same.
I put the top 3 there because they’re in bad situations where they’re the ONLY player on offense and they still perform.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well CJ is younger than both of the mentioned RBs
Maybe next year he’ll step up and play better than both. He already runned for more yardage, and doesn’t fumble as much as the “Purple Jesus”. If he gets equal in TDs as AP and the Titans get a playoff berth next year, sooner NFL will direct its spotlights to CJ
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
uhm
isnt this the guy that called the pro bowl bogus last year when he didnt make it?
yes, clearly joking…
when i become a brazillianaire, im gonna open the all colts all the time network. if she hadnt spurned me, i would have hired dia to be the head anchor working out of hawaii.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
CJ made the pro bowl last year...
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 11, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think you may be thinking about the fact that he didn't win RotY.
"Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."
--Paul "Bear" Bryant
"All winning teams are goal-oriented. Teams like these win consistently because everyone connected with them concentrates on specific objectives. They go about their business with blinders on; nothing will distract them from achieving their aims."
--Lou Holtz, former Notre Dame football coach
He was whinning about not get the OROY
but he did make the Pro Bowl as a rookie…he’s douche.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
You spurned me.
And I’ve a terrible voice, it’s for the best I’m not the head anchor. The Colts deserve better.
To the Titans’ fans: Don’t you think he’s a little too “outspoken”? He toots his own horn a little too much. Fantastic football player, obviously. Deserves OPOY.
look,
just admit that you messed up and that you’re sorry and you want my forgiveness, we can work it out, you just have to meet me 99% of the way.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
sorry, you all are right
was OROTY
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
Manning > CJ can be explained
by just looking at what it took for the Titans to start winning, a QB change. It wasn’t until Young started playing did they start winning. On the flip side look at what it took to make the Colts start loosing, they took out Manning.
Argument over. Case Closed.
Attn Colt fans!!! Public service message
Gramsey 712 who masquerades as a Titans fan is nothing of the sort. He is a Phony wannabe and a LIAR!! This guy sends out phony e-mails to board moderators pretending to be other people and spreading lies to get them thrown off! He is a clueless assclown who knows NOTHING about the Titans! All his commentaries and retorts should be ignored and not taken serously as he is a full blown RETARD!!!! and a bonafide douchebag!!! Any of you who have been on MCM can attest to this LOSER’s continuous barrage of stupid comments and narrow view points. Thank you
by tephlonboy on Jan 12, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm...
Sounds like somebody got the banhammer from the Tits blog and made a duplicate account to bitch about it. On a Colts blog. I got an idea, why don’t you guys take your little hillbilly slap-fight to Jerry Springer and be gone. We’ve got bigger concerns right now. They’re called the playoffs.
Thanks for stopping by. Please come again next season. :)
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 12, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I KNEW it!
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oooooohhhh...........
This is funny. Gramsey is cool. Maybe a little homerish at times, but I enjoy the articles I see.
I’m willing to bet you were banned from the Titans blog and are trying to get revenge.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is JD's best daydream. Cracks me up every time.
Never mind.
Didn’t see the comments below when I typed that.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is JD's best daydream. Cracks me up every time.
Not quite.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is JD's best daydream. Cracks me up every time.
Rooting for Colts to beat Ratbirds
Figured I’d say it and not waste too much more time ranting about the MCM traitors! I guess i realize now Colt fans are the more loyal ones to their own and would never do the kind of underhanded cheap stuff these MCM desperados have pulled behind the scenes. At least you let people speak their minds on here and I respect you for that. As for the rest of the “loyal baby gramsey cronies” that enjoyed piling on, hopefully you wont get chaffed on your reach around. I wont lie and say I like the Colts or anything but I HATE the ravens and hope they get dismantled!

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