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The Ravens can sure as hell run the ball

Against the Patriots yesterday, the Ravens won a blowout at Foxboro despite their quarterback throwing for only 34 net yards passing.

34!

While early Patriots turnovers significantly contributed to the Ravens rout, anytime a team like the Ravens can win in blowout fashion with only 34 net total passing yards, that should raise a few eyelids. The reason the Ravens won was because they rushed for 234 yards on 52 attempts, averaging 4.3 yards a carry. They also scored three TDs running the ball, one of them was their first offensive play from scrimmage; an 83 yard TD run by Ray Rice.

Contrast this with the Week Eleven game between the Colts and Ravens in Baltimore. The Colts held the Ravens to 98 total rushing yards on 31 carries (3.2 a carry). The Colts won 17-15 behind a clutch field goal by former-Ravens kicker Matt Stover and a key interception by Gary Brackett late in the game.

Controlling the Ravens ground game seems pretty paramount if the Colts want any chance of advancing in the post-season.

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If you take out his massive 83 yard run, Ray Rice ran for about 3 yards a carry.

by slash196 on Jan 11, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

3.6-3.7, actually.

But yeah. It wasn’t as bad as it looked. Combined, they averaged around 3.6 per carry, without that huge run. I’m pretty sure yall would have stopped it too. Three bad angles by our CBs and Meriweather and they got a TD.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to denegrate that run

It was a great run by Rice, but the Pats were in a bad defense with only Merriweather over the top and Merriweather is a shit safety so that’s six points. I can’t really see that one happening again with the Colts.

by slash196 on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Pats defense wasn't fantastic

but it seemed to be an offensive failure more than anything else.

Then again, I didn’t get to watch it. I’m guessing NFL Replay will run all four games and I will verify that when I see the three I didn’t catch.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you're right. Our offense game them the ball...

…with sub-30 yards to go (twice already in the red zone) to score.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok?

And if you take away all the long runs by Chris Johnson he does not get the all-purpose yards record. The fact of the matter is that long runs are part of an elite RB performance. Really does not make sense to say this at all.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

...about as well as he ran against Indy

in week 11, minus the big run. Ronnie Brown was the only back to really destroy our defense this year, and we still won the game. Our d will earn the respect it’s been missing all year. can’t wait for saturday…

by naptown_ninja on Jan 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Ravens Pass Attack

The reports about Flacco having an awful game are exaggerated and in the case of citing his injury as the reason for his 10 attempts, incorrect. The game was bizarre, Baltimore was up 24-0 with 48:00 minutes left in the ball game. Why take chances? The Ravens just ran the clock out from then on, even when Flacco threw it was to convert so the Ravens could keep running the clock out. The Ravens can pass the ball well enough, especially on play-action because of the constant running threat.

Well if you ran the ball 50 times your yards per carry would go down too.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

So in other words

the Ravens got shit lucky and coasted the rest of the game.

by slash196 on Jan 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not lucky.

Their defense made plays against us that put them in the position where they COULD sit back and coast.

I’m pretty sure they won’t get that luxury against you guys. Expect Flacco to throw at least 25 times.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

shit lucky?

so going up 24-0 in the 4th quarter is shit lucky? Ray rice breaking a 83 yard run on the first play was shit lucky? Tom Brady throwing pick after pick and T-Suggs forcing the fumble was shit lucky? that is an idiotic comment. the ravens simply dominated the patriots from the beginning.

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit lucky because

1. Yes, Ray Rice breaking an 83-yard run was lucky, and they were lucky the Pats are a bunch of frauds. Nothing against luck per se, it’s a big part of who wins at football, but being lucky is not being good.

by slash196 on Jan 11, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that was in no way lucky. that was good blocking and rices patience before exploding right through the hole. anybody who watches that play over can see it forming from the beginning right to when rice explodes into the secondary

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i replied to this in the other thread, but the action seems to have migrated

its not ‘taking chances’ if you trust your QB.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

incompletions stop the clock

and running the ball demoralizes and tires out the other D more.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

scoring points

demoralizes the other D. Regardless of how you score them.

Are you really worried about stopping the clock on incompletions in the 2nd and 3rd quarters?

If you have 2 or 3 score lead in the 2nd or 3rd quarter and you’re afraid to throw because
of incompletions stopping the clock, i think that shows a lack of faith in the your QB and your defense. You gotta go for the knock out blow.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens were able to play prevent on defense the entire second half...

…because we had to play catch-up. Prevent works on offense as well. They could have all the trust in Flacco in the world, but Ray Rice and Willis McGahee were working. They trust their entire team. Why change what’s working?

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

we're almost there...

so your Qb wasnt working, at all, then, right? You guys had the blow out, and instead of taking any pressure off your RBs and saving them, they were afraid to use Flacco to throw.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

your insistence on characterizing a tried and true formula of winning football games by taking the air out of the game and life out of the opponent by running down their throats is non-sensical. Flacco threw to convert key 3rd downs in the 4 quarter on on short situations when they wanted to, they simply didnt need to do that before then with the looks the Patriots were giving them.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

your insistence

on ignoring the fact that Joe Flacco has been a subpar playoff QB in general, and has struggled the second half of this season specifically, are what I’m pointing to.

The running game being highly successful would tend to lead to an easier time for your QB. Instead, your coaching staff decided that you wouldnt throw the ball at all.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

suggesting he’s a subpar playoff QB because he was a rookie last year is stupid. Flacco hasn’t had the best 2nd half of the season but neither had our secondary and they did a pretty damn good job yesterday.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, tell me

how many games i need to make a proper assessment of joe flacco, and both of us can stop discussing the subject until that point.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You can look at his stats this year

3600 yards and 21 tds. In our style of offense, 3000 yards and 20 tds is a great performance. Sorry that he isn’t peyton and does not put up 4500 and 30 tds every year. Joe is a huge reason why we are where we are, regardless of low stats. Sometimes its not what you do, but what you don’t do. Joe has not messed up enough to make us lose.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, Flacco hasn't been as good as he was early in the season...

…but what both Balt and I are trying to say, is that Flacco wasn’t needed to throw. Their confidence in him doesn’t matter because Flacco wasn’t needed.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

at some point in time Flacco's going to be required to throw a pass

if you don’t trust him with a 24 point lead, how much will you trust him with a 0 point lead.

I’m getting at a key point here, I’m not sure its flying over heads. I promise you that wild card weekend was the exception, not the rule, with the Jets and Ravens winning on legs.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

They didn’t NEED him to throw with a 24 point lead- in fact, it would have been DETRIMENTAL to throw with a 24 point lead. Not out of lack of faith, but due to game strategy. If you have that large of a lead, you want to milk the clock. You don’t care about scoring more because it gives the ball back to the other team. Running the ball drains the most clock time while maintaining possession.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

this is incorrect

You milk no more time by running the ball than passing the ball, unless you cant throw for a high percentage of passes. As a matter of fact, if you can throw for a high , say, ~68.8, and your QB can milk the play clock, you might gain a few seconds.

There is no NFL Rule that says more time will be taken off by running the ball. You just seem to fall into the MSM trap that running the ball and chewing up clock go hand in hand… and are important to winning

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You're completely missing the point...

…passing the ball might work for the Colts to milk the clock. Running the ball worked for the Ravens. Raven receivers don’t have the best hands in the league. It’s a MUCH MORE SURE BET to run down the clock by running the ball FOR THE RAVENS than passing the ball FOR THE RAVENS.

That doesn’t have to do with confidence in Flacco. The game was already decided and Flacco wasn’t needed in the end game.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

You can definitely milk time more by running it than passing it. This is because an incomplete pass stops the clock. Do you not know that or something? We controlled the clock yesterday because of us running the ball.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i can see the public schooling system

in maryland is living up to its hard earned reputation.

Read my post, then get back to me. I specifically mention incomplete passes and completion percentage.

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Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to get throw around personal attacks

Makes you look immature and idiotic.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

it wasnt an attack

well, maybe against Maryland Public Schools.. if thats not where you failed to learn to read, tell me where you failed to learn to read and I’lll issue an apology to the MPS…

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Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If a run play doesn’t work and you get no yardage the clock still runs, if a pass is incomplete the clock is stopped. Thats the difference that Malor’s point. Stop being obtuse.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

if the dog didnt stop to shit

it would have caught the rabbit.

Im not being obtuse. I don’t put knee pads on and kneel before the altar of running the ball and highlight hits.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

read your own quotation and dont generalize.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i do not see any quotations in my posts.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I’m rarely right.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

those arent quotes

score another one for maryland public schooling.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No quotes,

but sure as hell funny! How long does that bet last, anyhow?

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by peytonsthebest on Jan 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

only the first line is required from my bet with him

the last one was his own addition because he felt he deserved it. Not sure where the Addai one came from.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Jan 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Until the season is over.

So, until February.

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Passing or running

You still have 40 seconds to make a play. You can throw for small, medium and big gains, as well as run for small, medium and big gains, but both sides have low points

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by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

We've led 8 minute drives that mainly involved short passes

It’s all about staying inbounds and getting positive yardage.

But I think the point that I see here is that so far Flacco has been sub par. Even if he wasn’t required to be par or above par, the fact is he has been sub par.

Can the Ravens while he is sub par? Obviously they can.

It’s just like the Colts SB run, Peyton had a few below Peyton level games, but we still won. That does not mean that Peyton didn’t have a bad game.

I also happen to think sub par play from him won’t win the game in Indy.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

y r u agree w/me????

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

betrayed by my words, again

DAMN YOU WORDS, DAMN YOU

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And we have led 8 minute drives with short runs. Look at yesterdays game and you will obviously see that. We had a 50 yard drive last over nearly 7 minutes and we never threw the ball once and got the TD.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously you can run the ball and have

clock killing drives. Nobody is arguing against that. The point was that RUNNING isn’t the only way to kill the clock. Everyone thinks it is, but it’s not.

If that’s your strength, then go with it, but that also means acknowledging that the passing game is your weakness.

Flacco has not played well in his playoff games. Just because he hasn’t needed to play well in three of them doesn’t mean that he has played well.

It’s like the Colts rushing game. Would you call it an amazing rushing game? No, right? We have probably the fewest rushing attempts (or close to) and us fans believe that when we do rush, we’re pretty successful. But that still doesn’t make it on the same level as say the Jets rushing game. It’s still sub par.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Small pass plays

will do the same effect when you run the ball. But with throws, there’s a chance of getting intercepted, that’s higher than a chance of your RB fumbling the ball. Anyway, we’ve seen a situation that’s pratically the same as the Pats went through at our game against Miami. The Dolphins had got 45 minutes of possession, and who won that game?

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, my QB is Tom Brady...

…so I don’t know what you’re referring to. They had their RBs run 20 times each. Sure, they may not have wanted Flacco to throw, but they had no need to. They were already up 3 scores. If it were the Patriots, we’d be called out for running up the score if we passed from that situation. They ran down the clock in a very effective manner. They got the win. They let Flacco get some more rest. It’s a win/win/win/win all around.

I’m also saying that the Ravens won’t get the luxury of so many 1st quarter mistakes that we gifted them.

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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If my QB

had the playoff game numbers Flacco had (yesterday just completing 4 passes) I’d have no faith in my QB either.

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Jan 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets take it a step further

Combined stats for games won: 24/65 (36.9%), for 330 yards (5.1 YPA), 1 TD, 1 pick , rating of 52.7

Game lost: 13/30, 141, 3 INT, 18.2 rating

Those numbers for a QB playing in the playoffs are terrible. Flacco is 3-1 in the playoffs.

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by coltsfan723 on Jan 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ravens will mix it up

Flacco is a solid QB as his stats on the year show. You don’t pass for +20 TD’s and about 3,500 yards if you don’t understand hot reads and check downs which is all he’ll need if the Colts constantly stack the box. Also, unless Freeney and Matthis are enormously superior to last time then Gaither and Oher will keep Flacco pretty clean. Todd Heap, Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton can all make plays, it just depends on who shows up from week to week.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I sure hope so :-)

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They're healthier now than they were in that game.

In addition, difference in venue will have our speedy team this time around. Our secondary is also healthier. And the lbers have gotten better.

All in all, Joe has not thrown a single TD against a Colts defense EVER. Not saying he won’t do that, but I wouldn’t count on him having the game of his life either.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

They are vastly superior to last time.

Both Freeney and Mathis were injured going into the game. They’ve pretty much been injured all season. Now they are completely healthy.

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Heap injury not severe

and the Colts secondary won’t swamp the Ravens receivers, the Colts have the 14th ranked pass D and the Ravens had the 18th ranked pass attack, by those numbers alone its close, add the fact that our run game is so good and the balance is drawn even closer.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

the Colts have an above average pass D

in which Tim Jennings played a significant role, and where they didnt even try the last 5 1/2 quarters, and the Ravens have a below average pass O… and soemhow that makes it balanced?

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

4 spots in rankings combined with the fact that our pass offense is not called upon near as often because we have a run game unlike indy.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

fwiw

your run game was less effective against the colts than your passing game. i dont think it’ll be as effective this week with a healthy hayden and freeney and mathis

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

it doesn't have to be as effective

It just has to be good enough to take a step off of Freeney and Matthis when we drop back in non-obvious pass situations. You can’t say how well Freeney and Matthis will play against Gaither and Oher, because they were held without a sack and not even too much pressure in the last game, you can only hope they have recooperated significantly from earlier in the year to the point where they can be more effective against our tackles.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even too much pressure?

Not sure about that one. Flacco and the Ravens pass offense was clearly in a “quick release,” “dink and dunk” scheme for much of the game. Your coaches planned on getting the ball out quickly, and you had some success keeping our pass rush at bay by doing so. If you’re unsure, again, watch the game again.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're making your assessment...

based upon season statistics, you should be prepared to be disappointed in a lot of games. Season stats are no indicative of matchups. We matchup well against your “18th ranked passing attack.” Our corners are better “cover corners” than we’ve had in this decade, our defensive scheme (base Cover 2) is difficult to throw on to begin with, and your biggest mismatch potential (Heap) is hobbled. By all accounts, your passing attack is not a good “matchup” with our defense.

Does this mean you will have no success throwing the ball? I don’t know, we’ll have to see in game how we scheme and how you approach it. If you approach it like Pennington and the Dolphins did in Week 2… you could put up respectable numbers. If we sell out to stop the run because we struggle doing so, for whatever reason, you could find more success throwing the ball. If we fail to put up point, get up on you, or it is a close game, you could have put up respectable passing yards. That said, relying on season statistics as the basis of your opinions is foolish.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Statistics are basic parameters which allow a vague projection of performance in a league infamous for its difficulty to anticipate. I have no idea how our offense will perform against your redoubtable secondary and you in turn have no notion of how well your team will start the game after a month of competing, or not, in obsolescent contests. The Baltimore Ravens are the most physical team in the NFL and I don’t think the Indianapolis Colts personify much in terms of physicality and toughness. Except for Bob Sanders when he is healthy. I’m not saying you have to be known for your physicality to win but if we hit you in the mouth then thats one more thing in our favor.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then... in the words of great sports fans around the nation during the playoffs...

I say “BRING IT!” I am not afraid of your “toughness” or getting “hit in the mouth.” Last I checked, our second year wide receiver took Ray Ray’s best shot and wasn’t impressed.

Keep holding on to your notion that our team is soft. This team is bigger than it has been in years, the last time we were this big was in 2006 (we were actually a little smaller then, without proven depth McFarland/Brock). So, we have size, we’ve been tough enough offensively and defensively to come back from 7 fourth quarter deficits, and we beat you in your house despite handing you opportunities to win the game.

On top of all that, we’re fresh, as healthy as we’ve been since the beginning of the season, at home, and have a chip on our shoulder. Come out swinging. Just don’t be surprised if the knock out blow is supplied by your opponent.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said bamock.

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by Indy Lori on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The last time I saw a highlight hit by a Colt was against the Titans a year ago on a special teams play. And you haven’t seen Ray’s best shot, but Tom Brady has and so will Peyton artificially enlarged forehead Manning and I think Haloti Ngata is better than both your starting DT’s put together. And if red zone picks and fumbled punts don’t count as missed opportunities that were gifts to you that ALLOWED you to win the game last time then I don’t know what are.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

oh noes

highlight hits!

Highlight hits have earned the ravens how many wins against the colts?

HIGHLIGHT HITS!!

rofl

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The Colts are a finess team who are built around Peyton Manning’s incredible abilities. They have a quick defense who gang tackle well most of the time. The Ravens are a physical Juggernaut and if Manning has as poor a game as he had in 06 and your defense is left out there with our offense very long, you will lose this contest.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We will see how much finesse your team has...

If it gets down by two scores. And we’ll see how much you will be wishing it had some finesse if that happens as well. Keep drinking the “reputation from past year” and “mainstream media” kool-aid my friend.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Having the 3rd ranked unit in the league has nothing to do with reputations from the past and we’ll see who’s down by 2 scores when the game gets here Saturday.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop... wait... read slowly

I’ve not insulted, cut down, played down, or disrespected your team’s toughness or your defense. So, your continued statistical support and conversations about your team, as though defending what you’ve accomplished is necessary, is wasting your time.

I give your team credit where it is due. Your insistence on the Colts being a finesse team, weak, talk of hitting us in the mouth, and all that shenanigans is where I’m focusing my attention. But I’ve already told you as many ways as I can that you don’t know who you’re playing, you don’t really know your opponent, you don’t know who are players are and why this team is different from years past, you make your lack of knowledge obvious by relying on season statistics and naming Bob Sanders (a guy who barely played for us at all this year) as someone who helps define the team’s toughness.

You’re relying on your perception about the Colts form previous years more than anything, that much is obvious. I’m inviting you to do so and telling you that you will soon realize that you’re very wrong about this team’s toughness, finesse, and all the other mainstream media garbage you’ve been stuffing in your face. You will see. Nothing more need be said. I don’t have to defend this bunch, their talking will be done this weekend.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are we even defending our team

We are 7-0 against them. Not to sy we can’t lose the game, but we certainly shouldn’t feel we can’t win.

If our offense gets going, they’re toast.

God hates the New England Patriots

by Juri on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

thing is he probably has only watched our team when we play them lol. so he there for knows

nothing about our team. should he from our game against him? YES but he doesn’t as he probably didn’t pay a lot of attention because we are the COLTS

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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 12, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

asphinctersays what?

if the colts are finesse that would make the ravens, 0-7 vs them this decade, what, exactly?

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens won in 2001.

They’ve not won since the division realignment.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

bite me

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Addai saw it...

Problem is apparantly Ray-Ray din’t see Addai!

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Jan 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How about that highlight hit

Ray Ray missed when Joe Addai broke his ankles on a juke move into the end zone…Damn that was pretty.

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Jan 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

I’ll have you know that Peyton’s five-head is ALL NATURAL baby!! No artificial enlargement required! Now as for your nether regions… ;-)

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah... another thing

Statistics do provide information to someone who is looking to analyze a matchup but knowledge about football and having an accurate perception of the strengths and weaknesses of each team will go further.

I think Baltimore has a tough defense, I think you have a tough team, I think you do hit hard, I think you have a solid running game, I think your passing game is somewhat suspect, but I think your offensive line is young and strong.

I think we have one of the highest powered offenses in the league, I think we can throw on anyone including you, I think our running game is efficient but not the focal point of our offensive scheme. You think our defense is soft, or weak. I think our defense has been stronger, harder, and tougher than I’ve seen it since Peyton Manning was drafted. I think Clint Session, Melvin Bullitt, and Antoine Bethea has showed every bit of the toughness and tenacity that Bob Sanders shows when he’s healthy (I prefer Sanders over Bullitt when healthy but still). You also don’t know or respect Eric Foster or the quickness and strength Daniel Muir has off of the snap. Said succinctly, you don’t know enough about the Colts as a team, its players, its strengths and weaknesses to have an opinion that isn’t tainted by an over-reliance on stats.

When I formed my opinion about your team and this game, I didn’t look at stats at all. Frankly, I don’t care what the regular season stats were. I know who will be taking the field, for the most part, and have a pretty solid grasp on each team’s strengths and weaknesses. Your interpretation of this team, its players, and the strengths and weaknesses is based mainly upon past years, this is not the 2008 Colts, this team is different so your notions and memories from years past, supported by statistics, will lead you astray. And they have. And I’m confident on Sunday you will see and sing a different tune.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Colts stats are skewed by the sit-down

They’re much better than 14th with their corners and DEs healthy.

MUCH better.

by slash196 on Jan 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Heap injury update

Back x-rays were negative

So does anybody else find that wording odd? Every time I see something like that I think, “Oh my gawd! He has no bones in his back!”

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That's like a joke my boyfriend makes...

but he’s a radiologist. So I don’t know if that’s good company to keep. :)

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

cooky humor, I know

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, I never thought about that.

We just have a spine and ribs in our midsection, no? Anyway, do you think Heap still wouldn’t been a threat if he wasn’t injured?

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Jan 11, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

any viable option

must be viewed as a threat, in my mind

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

that makes sense about the statistics.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

An important stat to look at is average starting yardline

I not sure what the Raven’s was but it sure as hell helps your scoring if you only have to run 30 yards a possession to score. I doubt the Ravens can count on such great field position against the Colts.

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

That depends on intangibles, how the game unfolds and special teams, with the first and last of those being contained within the second. Obviously.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

I think you’ll admit you had astonishing good field position the entire game. Nothing wrong with that however. Just unlikely to happen again.

What was Baltimore’s longest drive?

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I found it

1 play – 83 yards – great run Ray
5 plays – 17 yards
6 plays – 25 yards
12 plays – 52 yards

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that is true

every time the ravens got the ball after the opening drive they were pretty much in the red zone.

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Ravens had great special teams and defensive play. I think the Colts will really focus on making the Ravens move the ball 80 yards and put them in some 3rd and longs.

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya especially our pass defense

the pass defense has definately stepped up from where it was before. i was skeptical about foxworth at first but hes alright now. and having ed reed back is huge. as long as the ravens stick with the run game and just try to grind it out it against the colts, that should help minimize mistakes and keep some pressure off flacco. basically, if the colts can shut down ray rice and mcgahee, they can keep a ton of pressure on flacco

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Flacco will still have to step up

Flacco will have to provide the offense through the air that Steve McNair couldn’t back in 2006. I think that game is hugely relevant to predicting this one given how many key players from that game will be featured this one.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They dont predict them but they can provide insight. Key players from that game in Reed, Manning, Lewis, Clark, Wayne and Heap will be in this game and that at least gives you enough to speculate about how things might turn out.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

u can never compare past teams or games with the present

back then we had the second to worst rush offense, thats why it was on mcnair. and mcnair was in the decline of his career where flacco is on the rise. flacco’s still got a ways to go, and i have no doubt he will be a very good nfl quarterback. but this game is all about our run game and whether or not the colts can stop it. if they can, then the game is put in flacco’s hands and well see what he can do

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post

I think the game will be whether the Ravens can get the Colts to punt and whether Flacco turns the ball over.

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

for the ravens, its all about stopping peyton manning. for the colts, its all about stopping our rushing offense as a whole

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So the 1st play from the LOS

is the only scoring drives of 50+ yards or more?

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by KMR24 on Jan 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya im pretty sure

the very last drive might have been over 50 yards too. but i didnt get to see it. but every other time, there was a turnover that the ravens were able to make good returns on to give the offense great field position

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They're trying to keep the clock running

How difficult is to understand that? They didn’t need to pass the ball. It’s not a matter of lack of belief on Flacco’s arm. We’ll probably have to do the same thing if we get a good advantage at the scoreboard, trusting in Addai and Brown’s legs to run the clock and get in range to try at least a FG from Stover

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by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was referring more to the 1 st quarter scoring drives

But you are correct, they did a great job of milking the clock. Outstanding game by the Ravens in every aspect.

by Drakul on Jan 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

its gonna be a physical game just like last time

if the ravens secondary and pass rush play like they did against the patriots, then hopefully well have some sort of shot at containing peyton manning. if this game gets to the point where the pressure is all on flacco to make plays, im not so optimistic.

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Flacco's a good QB, by pointing that it's his 2nd year at the NFL

But he don’t know yet all the mechanics of the game, and with a good team of runners on Rice and McGahee, we won’t have too much work if the Ravens handle to maintain the running game accurate and harmful to the Colts. Yet, if the defensive of the Colts imposts itself like has been doing on previous games a little earlier, Flacco will be obligated to throw. And that’s a risk

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by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I love this discussion.

I’ve learned a lot reading the comments here. Good job folks.

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by Indy Lori on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Ravens won with defense

And one big running play. After the first quarter their drives looked like this:

punt
punt
time expired (halftime)
punt
FG
TD (failed the 2PAT on a rush)
punt

Not exactly a domination. Now look at NE after the first quarter:

TD
punt
punt
punt
INT
TD
missed FG
TO on downs

The Pats had plenty of chances to get back into the game. Their inability to do so is a credit to the Ravens’ D, not to the Ravens’ running game keeping Brady off the field.

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by szquirrel on Jan 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

ok?

when ur run offense gets 240 yards on the ground and puts points on the board so fast that the quarterback only has to throw 10 times, then that is a dominant running game. ray rice had 150 yards and 2 tds, hows that not dominant. and we were up so fast that all we did the rest of the game was run the ball to run out the clock. who cares if we had to punt on those drives? we burned time of the clock just like we wanted to so we could minimize the chance for offensive mistakes. the domination can be credited to both the defense and run game

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Pats were disabled to do a comeback

They were worse than the Ravens at their drives. Brady was knocked up, as well as Moss, and the other starters. Its defense is pretty young, but not as good as the young defense of our Colts. They may be better statistically speaking on defense, but being tired and by letting teams to beat them up at the 2nd halftime were some of the main points of this defeat

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by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

but still

u cannot claim that the ravens rushing offense was not dominant. we ran the ball 50 times and the patriots could do nothing to stop us. we didnt even need to throw because of our rush offense

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But the scores came on an 83 yard run. Plus several short fields from turnovers and special teams. If we take care of the ball, you will have to go to the air.

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by Juri on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats did stop them

After Q1 the Ravens had one TD, one drive that fizzled at the goal line for a FG, four punts, and one sorry excuse for a two-minute drill. They didn’t keep the Pats O off the field, they didn’t consistently find the end zone, and they didn’t average more than 3.0 yards per carry for the rest of the game.

That’s not dominant. That’s one good quarter followed by 45 minutes of holding on. The credit should go to the Ravens’ D, and even that depends on how badly you think the Pats O was affected by injuries.

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by szquirrel on Jan 11, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense couldn't

cause they’re knocked up as well as Brady. I doubt Brady wouldn’t at least evolve a comeback if the defense guaranteed that they weren’t going to give up any more points

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by trOOly on Jan 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We have one of the biggest offensive lines in the league who love to run the ball, once the run is established then there is nothing better for finishing a game where you have the lead then running. Even if you punt after 4 plays, if they were runs that 3 min off the clock at least and you just march closer to the end of the contest

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

not really..

pass (& opportunistic running) 3rd/4th quarters, time and time again peyton does it. 8 min drives.

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

well while I will contest a lot of things between the Ravens and Colts Joe Flacco vs. Peyton Manning is not one of them. Manning can do that so confidently because he’s Peyton Manning and he doesn’t throw incomplete often and converts most 3rd downs.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is

The same BS they encountered in 2006..KC will run all over Indy. We all know how that turned out.

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by rangerover76 on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and Baltimore fans...

How terrible did the Patriots play in that game? I mean, let’s be honest, they sucked, in just about EVERY phase of the game. Not taking away from your win, you earned it, and we look forward to seeing you this weekend in Indianapolis, but really, you have to feel pretty good about how terrible the Patriots played.

The only game the Patriots of played that came close to the disaster over the weekend was the game in NO. Had the Saints played the same team, who played the same game, as we did when they played us at home, that would have been very different. Would the outcome change? No clue. But it would not have been the thrashing people saw on television.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

if colts execute and limit mistakes

ravens have ZERO chance..
only way for them to win is if we beat ourselves..

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

if our defense can create the opportunities

than yes we have a chance. its all on our defense next week

by Ravens4Life on Jan 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

obviously

its easy to say that if your team executes and then doesn’t make a mistake that you will win the game.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where our defense makes me feel comfortable

I know you will actually have to earn the points you get.

If we take care of the ball, you will not get the supershort fields you saw against the patriots (1st quarter).

God hates the New England Patriots

by Juri on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Our defense did a pretty good job on you guys last time i checked, not in total yards but keeping you to 17 points and mostly out of the red zone? It was a very close game and playing at Indy doesn’t change that much.

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

you guys lucked out, we easily had 28 pts. 1 fumble and a 1 dropped pass that was instead a FG

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't stop Cedric Benson or defend Ochocinco!

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by rangerover76 on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

More than

Individual players I think this game will come down to strategy. In that area, I don’t think you can get any better than the current Indy coaching staff. Besides to be honest, NE is a shell of its regular season form. It seems that the Welker injury was the last nail in its post-season aspiration.

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by rangerover76 on Jan 11, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Anything can happen in division games and we were penalized a lot in both games, including the first one when they scored the winning TD with 0 secs left. And we were playing like a different team then. Teams can have stretches of bad play you know

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

penalties

for the record, I thought you should have beaten the Pats the first time around, too

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

One of many weapons.

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by Indy Lori on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

very aware

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

and it was because your boy Manning was going to your “weapons” so often that he got picked twice, one by Landry going to Clark and once by Reed when he tried to get the ball to Wayne

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

so

you picked him twice, santi fumbled at the goal line, he dropped a touchdown,
 yet we still won. you couldnt get into the endzone. end of story

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

More like Ray Lewis knocked the hell out of him and the ball forcing the “fumble”

by BALT21 on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, given.

yet, you couldnt get into the endzone.

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Great pic

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by gizzardfanny on Jan 12, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

dude

you guys lucked out, we easily had 28 pts. 1 fumble and a 1 dropped pass that was instead a FG

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Its not luck

Ravens force turnovers. That is what they have been consistently known for over the years. It’s not like some deity forced the ball out of the hands of their (Ravens) opponents.

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well no doubt

im not questioning that or thier abilities. i meant it as a reply to another post. but in any case, colts this year have proven they can overcome turnovers and bad play on their part, offense or defense

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again...

The opinions of fans are so freaking tainted by their tainted homer glasses. Dude… the pass Manning threw to Wayne was 1) overthrown and 2) a poor decision… Manning had plenty of time but made a mistake. That wasn’t a great defensive play as much as it was a bad pass.

The fumble by Santi, should have never happened. Santi has very little regular season experience in the NFL and made a “rookie-like” mistake by stretching out for the goal-line, selling out his body and control of the ball to do so. If he goes down the Colts have a first down and are very likely to get 7.

I don’t recall the other INT specifically, but I do not remember seeing the Ravens pass defenders do something that caused a turnover which shocked me. Manning had numerous tipped passes, probably close to half of his INTs on the season, which were picked and resulted in turnovers. I vaguely remember, though I could be wrong, and one of those tipped passes resulted in an INT in the regular season game as well.

The Colts made mistakes which nearly cost us the game, which is why I say that we gave you opportunities to win. If you think it was outstanding defensive play that duped Manning, or shut down the Colts offense, then I guess there’s no reaching you. You played a solid football game, but the Colts nearly gave it away.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

the 2nd INT was a horrid play by manning forcing it into clark

i dont want to be a finesse fan, but i thought the fumble by santi would have been called helmet to helmet/hit on a defenseless receiver if the it was anyone but a guy that might stab you in an atlanta parking lot (ALLEGEDLY)

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah... yes, I remember now that you mention it

So… again… overthrow, forcing a pass, bad read, bad decision… all words which accurately describe the Colts turnovers.

Apparently those things, to a Baltimore fan = we created turnover, because that’s what this defense does.

K. Got it.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

did you win?

or have you won the last 7 games against us with your vaunted turnover defense?

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a point here?

That the Colts are a consistently great team and overcome turnovers is not in dispute, so relax. Attempting to down play a good defense that creates turnovers is a separate issue.

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not downplaying your defense... God you all are sensitive...

I am discussing ONE game from you entire defensive season. ONE. If you want to take that as an indictment of your defense, or if you take from it that I think your defense does not create turnovers, that’s on you. In the game we played against you, I think the turnovers were much more due to mistakes, oversights, bad decisions, etc. by our players than due to great plays by yours. That’s it. That’s all. Nothing more.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

my comment

was only in response to bamock’s jawing.

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

my comment is in response

to the allegations that i was having an affair with shake n bake.

This rumours, while true, are completely baseless, without evidence. I will not allow my good name to be tarnished by these vicious attacks on my character.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

on the other hand

these types of plays happen to all teams, in every game… just because Manning made a bad read or tried to force the ball in one game doesn’t mean he won’t do it again in the next one, just under different circumstances

let’s tread carefully here…

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You might want to look in the mirror

Do you realize that you’re attempting to rationalize every turnover the Colts committed? I guess every opponent the Ravens face could make similar excuses…If a team gets turnovers consistently, it’s more than just the other teams making mistakes.

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen turnover that were created many times this season...

I’ve seen corners read routes and pick off Manning, I thought Cushing’s INT was a solid play, I thought Addai’s fumble was created… I could go back and look at them all if you wish. I just think tipped passes are more luck than a credit to the defense when they result in INTs, and I think that Manning (like every other QB in the league) has made some poor decisions, bad throws, and handed opponents some turnovers as well. Against the Ravens, I thought the Colts were far more responsible for the turnovers than the Ravens defense was for “creating them.”

You tell me which part of those turnovers were more “created” by Baltimore than given away by the Colts. Explain it to me and we can talk. I don’t think you can do it without exposing your bias.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, for example

As previously mentioned by a poster, Manning made a good throw to Wayne. Reed diagnosed the play and came screaming across the field to cause the turnover.

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

On that play in particular, Manning would likely make that throw every time if he saw that coverage. He’s super accurate and trusts his abilities. There’s just no accounting for a ball hawk like Reed.

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well... frankly, I disagree with the assessment no more than one account...

First, I won’t take anything away from Reed for making a play on the ball, for covering Wayne deep, and for coming up with the football. All kudos to him.

Where we differ is that the throw was not on-target… it would have been unlikely that Wayne would have made the reception even if Reed wasn’t on the field. The throw was off, not hitting Wayne in stride, and sailed on Manning, allowing Reed more time to get under it.

Second, it was a bad decision because forcing a long throw to Wayne who was double-covered was unnecessary and extremely risky. Manning didn’t think Reed would get there… he was wrong. So… bad decision, bad throw, bad play, good reaction by Reed = turnover.

I think the bad throw and bad read by Manning did more to lead to that INT than Reed’s reaction and running to the football. But heck, I’ll call that one a toss-up and say, for the sake of argument that you can have it. 3 TOs, one due to Ed Reed, and the ball-game would have been different absent so many offensive mistakes (2 unforced TOs and arguably 3). That’s all.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was curious...

So I looked up highlight from the game which you can find HERE

1:27 in you’ll see Manning throw into triple coverage, a tipped pass, which one of three Baltimore defenders come down with. Great defensive play? I’d say the turnover was due more to a bad decision by Manning throwing into triple coverage. Wouldn’t you?

2:08 in you’ll see Manning throw deep to Wayne on the left side of the field. Reed comes over beyond Wayne, read “beyond” as further down the field than him, and catches the ball cleanly, in stride. What does this mean? It means, yes, Reed made a good play on the ball by getting over to it. It also means that it was a bad pass, OVERTHROWN, and would not have been caught by Wayne. If it was on-target, the best Reed would have done is broke up the pass by laying a hit on Wayne as the ball was arriving. As is, it hit him in the numbers and was out of Wayne’s reach. A great play? In some respects, yes, few safeties in the league could make that play (Reed may be the only one). Was the turnover more due to Reed’s solid play or the overthrow? You can judge that if you want.

The Santi turnover, in my mind, is obviously on him. If you don’t think so, that’s fine too.

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird

Link

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by bamock on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens would likely have 12 or more wins going into the playoffs

If a few offensive/defensive mistakes weren’t committed, but there’s no use in pondering what might have been….

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the hit on Santi

was Lewis creating a turnover – a nasty one, but a turnover nonetheless

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 11, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, the interception

that was thrown to Reggie was simply a great defensive read.

But as we’ve said here, that game will have little to no bearing on the game being played Saturday. Same kind of mistakes can happen again.

They also gave us some opportunities to win, a missed fg, the stupid forward pass at the end of the game, etc.

All I know is that there is no aspect of the Ravens that I don’t feel like we match up well against. They might win a particular battle, but we have a good chance of winning all of them.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i disagree

if you match up the Colts ability to commit a felony vs the Ravens ability to commit a felony, I think we’re at a huge disadvantage. The only thing that keeps it close is that Jamal Lewis no longer plays for them.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Ravens have committed how many felonies in the last 10 years? Ray was found innocent to murder and the Jamal situation was from his college days. What felonies have we committed recently?

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by Mr MaLoR on Jan 11, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2009/4/19/844562/story-title

more than the colts, anyhow.

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's only because we've

selected to rest against the felonies.

Or perhaps if Peyton had committed a felony, there is no way you would’ve heard about it. He’s just that professional.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

well no doubt

im not questioning that or thier abilities. i meant it as a reply to another post. but in any case, colts this year have proven they can overcome turnovers and bad play on their part, offense or defense

by bluehelmet on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Colts starters

Have only allowed one touchdown off of a turnover.

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by Colts Homer on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's impressive...

I’m sure the offense really appreciates that!

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So then it's .5 of a TD.

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Colts defense is no joke

They certainly held the run game in check last time the two teams played. If the Ravens are forced to pass, they’re in deep trouble

by lobsterfest on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

The Ravens offense is often in deep trouble even if they're not being forced to pass!

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 11, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally OT

but Iowa CB Amari Spievey is in the draft. I kinda hope he falls to the 3rd, but he’s probably a 2nd rounder. Really great, physical zone CB, and awesome special teamer.

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by shake n bake on Jan 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe the Steelers can grab him in the middle of the second, or trade up in the third...

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 11, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you wanting the Colts to grab him?

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

if he falls to the 3rd I'll be screaming for him

but the 2nd is kinda high to be taking a guy that would be a dimeback/STer for the foreseeable future.

He’s started 2 years in a cover-2 scheme, is a very sound tackler and was great on STs

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by shake n bake on Jan 11, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

no idea, why dont you scout for us

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by SpazMo on Jan 11, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a negative

Just playing commercials over and over.

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by mgrex03 on Jan 11, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, decided to have dinner instead.

Hopefully, someone like Cass will fill us in.

by diagenesis on Jan 11, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry,

I’m back at Purdue. Don’t get Indy local radio here.

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I can't believe this thread has exploded so quickly!

The Ravens fans must be braving the sunlight and emerging from the dark shadows of Baltimore to proclaim their team’s greatness after the win over the Pats. ;-) Anyways, I rethought what I said yesterday about the Ravens giving you a game and I think I was wrong. You’ll contain Ray Rice and pick Flaccid off several times. Keep their D off balance with lots of runs and short passes. Taking a few deep shots away from Ed Reed wouldn’t hurt either. Their best CB is Domonique Foxworth, so…

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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

I like your change of heart.

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by Cassieper on Jan 11, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Knuckleheads in the media

Why doesn’t anyone in the media understand that a running game is only useful if you are able to establish a lead and keep it. To make the run work, you must get ahead and make the game a two possession game. The further behind you fall, the closer the game, the more you have to pass. There’s a reason that pass and stop the pass is the new rule. It’s always been there.

I suspect this game will have a lot in common with other teams that tried to run over the Colts.

by indymike on Jan 11, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Before the Pats loss to my Ravens

 If you even told me we’d throw for 34 and win I’d have thought you were crazy. However, it did happen and you can call it luck, bad play by the Pats or whatever, but we’re advancing and they’re staying home. who cares about the numbers and if no expected us to win and we did, then no reason it can’t happen again.

When these two teams played earlier this season, Indy was playing as well as ever and the Ravens were struggling mightily, but we still made it close. I thought Indy would win that game no matter how close we kept it back then, but everyone here has a different feeling this time. I guess we’ll see Sat. nite and well congratulate each other after the game.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jan 12, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Indy was not playing as well as ever

Then you have not seen Indy when they are playing their best.

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by gizzardfanny on Jan 12, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The best we've played

all year is the 1st and 4th quarters of the Denver game. He needs to watch that if he wants to see the Colts truly at their best.

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by Cassieper on Jan 12, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

this is the year that trends break

dallas broke it 12 year drought pats broke it 8 game opening playoff streak so anything is possible

whats up

by colts18to85 on Jan 12, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

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