Chris Johnson wins Offensive Player of the Year Award
The Titans Chris Johnson won Offensive Player of the Year. Predictably, SBNation.com's Andrew Sharp is crowing about it, saying this award justifies his theory that CJ should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning. Andrew joins Terry Bradshaw as the only people in creation who think a runningback on an 8-8 team deserved the MVP award over the game's best quarterback playing on a 14-2 team.
Next up, both will share their views on evolution, the science behind black holes, and how NBC can solve the Jay v. Conan dilemma. Can't wait. It's like Einstein and Picasso talking shop at the Lapin Agile, only louder and with more hot air.
Congrats to Chris Johnson. We highly doubt we'll get any Tweets from Peyton Manning or Drew Brees suggesting CJ robbed them of the OPotY award. It's called "class", Chris.
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Agreed.
He had a monster year, and this was the right award for him.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 13, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Congrats to him
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
So, the second paragraph makes fun of Chris Johnson and the third paragraph tells him to have class? Hypocritical much?
I think the 2nd paragraph
is towards Sharp and Bradshaw.
Congrats to CJ, he had a great year and got the award he deserved.
Hmmm
The second paragraph makes fun of Terry Bradshaw and Andrew Sharp. The third one tells a multi-million dollar football player who is looked up to by small children to stop acting like one.
Thanks for playing.
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Wow. I love the parallel of a man acting like a kid WHEN kids look up to him
Wait, no I don’t, because that’s fucking gay. It’s 2010, not 1955. If your kids look up to NFL players for leadership, then you’re a shitty parent.
By the way, how is it okay for Manning to do an SNL skit where he pegs kids with a football and cusses at them then? How does that not “corrupt the youth” who look up to him?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. It's ok.
That was freakin’ hysterical.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I just think it’s hypocritical to criticize one guy for joking on twitter because “kids look up to him” and then laugh at another for pretending to peg kids with a football and swear at them.
It’s a retarded argument from 5 decades ago that holds no water now and never will hold water. Athletes can do whatever the fuck they want within the laws of society and the NFL. If you don’t think the joke is funny, don’t laugh. Just don’t sell me on this bullshit about, “KIDS LOOK UP TO HIM!!!” Grow up.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 13, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
I was just pulling your chain. I never thought anything about CJs tweet. I personally look at him like a Chad (I refuse to call him Ochocinco) Johnson. Its all in good fun.
And, personally, I agree. Its nice to have role models for kids who are in the limelight, but really it begins (as it should) at home.
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
if your going to make accusations at least get the paragraph right of where he mentions him.
so you know CJ isn’t even mentioned in the 2nd paragraph lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Misread
Yea, sorry that misread on the post was about as bad as some of Tom Brady’s misreads last week.
But I think the point still stands – the post rips into people and then says Chris Johnson should have class. It just doesn’t feel right to have both in the same post.
BBS makes fun of two people
who believe CJ should be MVP over Peyton – they may be the only two people living that think that and seriously CJ tweeting about the award whether it was a joke or not really came off as someone was just jealous and whining. He’ll have other opportunities, let him play great and lead his team to some more victories, make the playoffs and whatnot and he’ll win an MVP down the road too.
Well, I’ll officially go on record as saying Chris Johnson should have won MVP.
Guess we’re up to three people now.
I really shouldn't get into this debate with another person
but why is CJ the most valuable player in the league?
Because
The poster is likely U. of Texas fan, putting him on par (intelligence-wise) with Andrew Sharp and Terry Bradshaw. He also likely thinks Vince Young is a “winner.”
That post was also ColtMcCoy’s first post on SB Nation. Beware of trolls.
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Right on both counts, sir. But please don’t call me a troll. Gives my wanting to contribute a negative feeling.
aw HELL no!
Yea I gotta agree here...
BBS…you are the one sounding like a little school boy. Regardless of the whole CJ MVP situation…you are starting to really suck!
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by TRDean on Jan 13, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Don't let him scare you off.
It’ll be nice to have someone else on here who’s a Horns, Spurs, and Colts fan. I’m alone in two of those catagories.
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cool
Like I said, it’s cool to have someone on here who’s a Horns and Spurs fan. You from SoTex?
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No...
I was thisclose to going to UT, but I got a better scholarship packet at University of Oregon. I’ve just always been a longhorns fan, since I was a kid. My dad wasn’t into football, so I used to watch games with my neighbor, who was a Texas fan. Probably picked it up from him.
aw HELL no!
Right on.
The Spurs fan thing made me think so.
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 14, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Even here in Brazil people knows that Texans are stupid
What a mess, rednecks
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
Classy.
BTW, if Texas wanted to become it own country (again), which it can, it’d still a pretty damn strong economy. Not bad for a “mess”.
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If it became it's own country again the US would just invade it for the oil...
Yes, I know, political joke, but trust me, if you knew me, you’d know how absurd it would be for me to say that with a straight face.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no.
I agree completely.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 14, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
That is just plain abusive...
Especially since actual real trolls have been running roughshod over this place for weeks now completely unchecked and you haven’t said boo about it. I suppose maybe they have been feeding some need to keep this over-sensationalized hatemongering of yours rolling. Or maybe it’s just to get hits, I don’t know.
I mean you are directly implying that U of Texas fans are all idiots. You sound like the troll.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Hey!
BBS, I’m a U of Texas fan, too!
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Quiet you.
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by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Johnson really was the offensive player of the year
well deserved. Well deserved, I just hope CJ realizes that without Vince Young coming, he might have only been on like a 3-13 team.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Without CJ
That team is 0-16 and not close in any of those games. VY didn’t make CJ look good, CJ made VY look good.
Optimism. Positivity. Win.
by John Stephens on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness, I did tweet CJ for his address so Peyton could pick up his other award. Then again, I was also kidding.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Jan 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions
What a schmuck loser.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
See, the difference is that I’m a fan, and don’t speak on behalf of Peyton Manning. Chris Johnson actually said, in so many words, “I want Peyton Manning’s address so I can get the MVP trophy I feel I rightly deserve, even though the AP voters said otherwise.”
This is why Peyton’s Colts are in the playoffs with a first round bye and homefield advantage, and Chris’ Titans are watching from home.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Jan 13, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely love it that BBS is commenting on class
Cracks me up each and every time.
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by Jimmy on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Johnson shouldn't have won MVP
but I don’t think Peyton should have either. It is sort of a lose-lose debate for me to attempt at. Johnson did mean a significant amount to his team this year and did have a year that, if you could compare a RB and QB, would be better stat-wise than Peyton.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions
Once again
The MVP is not a stat-award. MVP is the key difference maker in a team and the vote will always go to Peyton as long as he pulls off those wins. It is not “meaning a significant amount” it is if he isn’t playing the team will suck. A case could be made for Troy and the Steelers defense too.
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by rangerover76 on Jan 13, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ok then I'll reiterate
Chris Johnson meant more to his team than Peyton Manning did. I could care less if the Titans went 0-16 and Johnson still did what he did, it means more to run though guys than to stand there with the best offensive line support in the league and throw the ball to very capable receivers. What Johnson did was more of an individual effort than what Manning did.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wow!
Does Johnson call his own offensive plays? Can Johnson read a defense accurately and make the appropriate adjustments to make a big play?
No sir, the QB position is as much a mental game as it is a physical one, which is what makes it so challenging and pivotal too. And our O-line is not exactly the best in the league.
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by rangerover76 on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ma'am
and I guess then maybe the Offensive Coordinator should have won, wait no because he didn’t pull off the individual effort that Johnson did. Last time I checked, Manning didn’t have to run through 250-300 pound guys to prove his meaning to his team.
And in protecting the QB, your O-line was the best.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes ma'am
Effort usually without results is not recognized. That is a sad fact, but having said that, the Titans will still be a competent team without Johnson. Without Manning, the Colts collapse.
"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily
by rangerover76 on Jan 13, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so.
They have enough talent otherwise that if a decent QB was thrown in there, NOT Painter, then they’d still survive.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
I would disagree cause again, talent also needs direction and Manning gives them that direction on offense. This was also stated by Tom Moore.
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by rangerover76 on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Tom Moore should find somewhere where his job would be done by him.
Not the QB. The Colts would still survive.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But that’s between Tom Moore and Peyton Manning. So do you think either of the two Chad’s would lead the Colts to 14-2? Yeah cause #18 is apparently too expensive right now for the Colts team.
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by rangerover76 on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even think that either Chad could have
lead my team to 8-8. Although I would prefer Pennington. But the Colts are a different team than the Dolphins, so for the sake of the argument, I’d say that perhaps one of them could do it. But the Colts aren’t using the west-coast offense that Pennington brings.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
An elite QB will always be more important.
We also have the worst running game, if Chris Johnson had the worst passing game in the league, he wouldn’t do jack.
And he didn’t with Kerry Collins.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
He still would have.
The passing game doesn’t effect the running game’s ability. It would just make Johnson get more snaps, hence more yards.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong, Chris Johnson wasn't nearly as dominant at the start of the year.
Statistical fact.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
0-6 start without VY.
14-0 with #32 rushing offense, last in Yards per touch.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It was more of a mess than just the QB.
I’m arguing that, that doesn’t make a difference.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the Yards per game dude.
You didn’t even research your claim.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
its dudette damnit!
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
That is not a man or a DUDE...
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Stop calling me dude.
You from fuckin’ Hawaii. You surfing right now? I’m not researching anything because I’m better than that. The team needed help in other ways and regardless of who was handing him the ball, Chris Johnson was amazing and ended the season amazing not because of who was handing him the ball.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think half the shit that comes off your keyboard
in this thread is nonsensical.
“I’m not researching anything because I’m better than that”
LMFAO!
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Its odd when people laugh at themselves, like psych-ward odd.
Why would I go look something up when I’m arguing the Titans had more problems than who was handing the ball off. Where am I going to pull stats up for that? Out of your ass would be my best guess.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Let-me-help-you-und-er-stand...
I-was-laugh-ing-at-YOU…
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to imagine huevonkiller
surfing in Hawaii while commenting on SB…
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry DIB...
But he’s right. That was weak.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Was not.
They wanted me to research stats for things that do not exist. My whole point was that it didn’t matter who was handing him the ball, Johnson was amazing based on what he could do, not who handed it to him. How do you find stats for that? I wasn’t going to go off and look things up when there isn’t some study called “Chris Johnson is amazing no matter who hands him the ball!” Come on.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's quite simple really
Look at his rushing stats with Kerry Collins at QB.
Then look at his rushing stats with Vince Young at QB.
Other than easier teams being on the schedule, not many other things changed with the Titans. Yet Johnson, all of a sudden, started ripping off games of 120+ yards.
Was it just a coincidence he starting playing better when Young became the QB?
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
Look, I'm tried of going through this.
I was attempting to argue that the Titans had more problems than Collins, I understand Johnson wasn’t as effective when Kerry was handing him the ball but I still believe that more than just the QB changed when CJ got hot. For the sake of not wanting to keep going over this as if it is a broken record, I think momentum changed and that is why CJ got hot. A lot changed, if you have any idea where I get stats for that, please let me know. I don’t believe you can find it, I just held it as my own belief.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
If a lot changed
Just stating what changed would suffice, no numbers necessary.
You said you weren’t researching anything, which includes this. I even offered up an easier schedule, which could have been researched easily. Did they get defensive players back from injury? Did other players on offense come back in? All things that can be researched without looking at one stat.
It came off as “I know what I think”, which I don’t think you meant. All I’m saying is you easily could have looked things up as counters without a single number.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
It was more of a Peter King,
“I think I think.” I can only argue that I saw a different team play after the bye week, a team that was hungry and a team that knew they had messed up. It was just hunger that changed, that they were done with sub-par, that they wanted above-par. I think maybe that heated the whole team up and helped CJ prove his ability, it is just what I think I think.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Haha are you serious?
You need to chill out, you’re obviously mad you didn’t even bother to prove your case.
Qb didn’t help huh?
99 yards per game, two touchdowns.
Then 140 a game, 12 rushing in the final 10 games.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly he needs a decent QB to be the MVP.
Don’t be pissed just because you’re “too good” to do research.
You won’t be taken seriously at all then. Oh well, good.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you replying to your own comments?
No one was replying to you, so you replied to yourself, weird. Everyone left except someone who replies to their own comments and someone who laughs at themself…scary.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
He wanted to elaborate on his own comment...
and in case you missed it I slowed it down for you above: I-was-laugh-ing-at-YOU…
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
hey hoosier...
you and huekon a pair or something??? Let him answer on his own…you got your hand up his ass like a puppet you putz!
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Nah just a misunderstanding.
I didn’t know why she was pissed at me for saying dude, I just thought she wanted to use formal language.
I am more harsh when talking to guys.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously,
uncalled for…
And if you couldn’t keep up, this: “and someone who laughs at themself” was directed at me. Forgive me if I find it acceptable to respond to a post which in part is directed at me.
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, you call the eff down, seriously.
It isn’t that crucial. Hoosier can correct whoever he/she wants. We don’t need “Captain save a hoe” on this site.
p.s.
I’m not calling anyone here a bitch or a whore.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
by KMR24 on Jan 13, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Third time is a charm?
calm
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I hate the “I’m a girl” argument. You start something, you should finish it.
Well played KMR!
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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know,right!
There’s nothing wrong trying to explain what someone else meant, but don’t get all defensive with someone about what they commented on. I don’t care if the person is male or female!
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
You would hate it after you told the person 3 times
to stop calling you a dude. It was also not part of the argument.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
In my own defense
I only saw you tell me to quit calling you dude once, here:
“I’m not a dude, don’t call me one. And we aren’t buddies so there is another reason for not calling me that. I corrected you once, now twice, I’m not doing it again. I’m not a man.”
Maybe I should be better at following along with what you post.
Water under the bridge…
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by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, the other time it was
“sir”
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Look on the bright side.
At least I was politely confusing your gender…
/I kid, I Kid
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by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
It is obviously fine
I mean I won’t lose too much sleep over it :)
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
recc'd
for the captain save a hoe comment
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Uh because I pressed enter early?
Who cares?
If that scares you I’m worried about you.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I had no clue.
I’m new, don’t take it personal.
Apologies for that then.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I won't
But I had no idea you were new either. So now we both know.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I would have handled this discussion differently then.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Haha no I enjoyed it
wholeheartedly, although I may still be laughing at myself and commenting to myself just to continue to enjoy it.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's cool, glad to hear.
I prefer more mellow discussions in general, don’t think I wanted to get into heated debates or anything. That is on me for not being more nonchalant in the other thread as well.
Peace.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say we agree to disagree
on the issue I argued with you on. It is always like this when I come over here, I argue with some one, we both still feel the same in the end, we shake hands, and it is over. I’ll catch you around.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
Since that is a statement instead of a question I will if you say so…
But no, I don’t still think you are male. Regardless of the fact that I use the term “dude” with both males and females. I think dude lost its masculine conotation long ago. Me calling you dude was not to incenuate that you were a man, it was nothing more than a generic term that I used to refer to you…
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Using the term Dude...
for a girl/woman is pretty lame..
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Thanks!
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I took it as if you were calling me a man
after I kept telling you I wasn’t. But if you would like to call me “dude” in a girl like way, please have at it.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
That team was a mess in more ways than Kerry Collins.
Statistical fact.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't even know Chris's rushing numbers at the start of the year.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I could wander off and look them up
to appear to be bigger in this debate. But I could careless. I’m arguing that who was handing the ball off WAS NOT the problem.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Look at his stats
In the first 6 games. Then look at the last 10.
It’s night and day.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
by mgrex03 on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A case could be made for Troy and the Steelers defense too.
Now that is the first logical thing I have read in this entire debate! Haha
Optimism. Positivity. Win.
by John Stephens on Jan 13, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Even by the convoluted standards Colts fans are using to defend Manning as MVP, Brees is the real MVP
I quote Hal41605:
“brees was the best qb this season overall. 70% completion in a bombs away down the field passing offense is just crazy.
other stats that are important and say i’m right:
TD%
Manning: 5.77
Brees: 6.61
INT%
Manning: 2.8
Brees: 2.1
TDs per INT:
Manning: 2.06
Brees: 3.09
Yds per attempt:
Manning: 7.9
Brees: 8.5
DVOA (value per pass attempt):
Manning: 38.1% (5th)
Brees: 46.1% (1st)"
Pretty convincing. Brees got robbed by a media that doesn’t actually pay attention to things.
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My personal Tribute to Air McNair
Brees got robbed by his complete SUCKASSEDNESS
against the Cowgirls and Bucs…
amiright?
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
better numbers are better numbers
And they’re better in every single category
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My personal Tribute to Air McNair
by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the "Cowgirls"
Made the playoffs unlike the Seahawks that Manning had a field day over. Great comparison by him.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Did the Bucs make the playoffs?
I don’t understand the comparison you are making…
I am not arguing the stats. But I believe that Brees’ meltdown against the “Cowboys” and Bucs was a large part of the reason he didn’t get the MVP.
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't dispute that...
I think Brees wins it if he doesn’t blow donkey balls against the Cowboys and Bucs
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Cowboys?
Could you use a comparison of a team that is not good, unlike the Cowboys who are.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
The BUCS!
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Still a NFL team
“Any Given Sunday”
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
You asked for a comparison to a team that is not good
It was given to you, and now you change the argument.
No matter what team, Peyton Manning didn’t lose a game the Colts tried to win. Drew Brees did. In fact, those 2 losses Brees played in could be placed on his shoulders.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
Drew Brees lost games on his own?
Really? How odd because I did think there were 53 people on a team.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
You're arguing for the sake of arguing now
Maybe you should ask the AP voters yourself why 80% of them voted for Manning over Brees? None of us had a vote.
Had Brees played like the MVP you think he is, he (probably) would have beaten the Cowboys, and he certainly would have beaten a 3-13 team, both at home.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
You are arguing for no sake.
I wasn’t arguing with you to begin with. The AP voters are in love with Manning, I’m sure it had nothing to do with two games Brees lost on his “own”.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we'll never know
Because the Saints lost 2 home games, one against a team with a top 5 draft pick this year.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
huh?
in love with Manning yes, but the media was basically head over heels drooling for Brees! I live about the same distance from Indy and New Orleans, but the local news sure as heck talked more about Brees than Manning.
The weirdest question I have ever been asked: What would happen if I spent the rest of my life pouring water in a cup?
Dude...
You are not making alot of sense.
You said: “The Cowboys? Could you use a comparison of a team that is not good, unlike the Cowboys who are.”
Despite the fact that I had already stated that Brees sucked ass against the Bucs also, you wanted a comparison because apparently you missed it the firs time around.
I reiterated that Brees sucked against the Bucs. You rationalized that with: “Still a NFL team "Any Given Sunday"”
You are technically correct that the Bucs are “Still an NFL team” I submit to you, just barely…
You point out that Manning had a field day against the Seahawks (as he should) But then rationalize Brees’ suckedness against the Bucs (arguably a worse team than the seahawks)
I don’t disagree that Brees is a badass and I dont really care who wins the MVP. I just think that Brees wasn’t to “valuable” in the two games that I mentioned and that probably cost him some votes.
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a dude, don't call me one.
And we aren’t buddies so there is another reason for not calling me that. I corrected you once, now twice, I’m not doing it again. I’m not a man.
Furthermore, Brees didn’t lose a game by himself, neither did Peyton. I don’t think that those games cost him MVP, it was the fact that the media doesn’t drool over him. I’m sure Manning didn’t win 14 games in a row by himself, neither did Brees lose two games by himself.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The media didn't drool over the Saints?
You’re joking, right?
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
Because the Media wasn't ready to hand it to Brees
after the first 13 games? Give me a break, everyone wanted to be Brees’ Jockstrap after those first 13, especially since the Colts came out and said they don’t wanna go for 16-0.
by UnofficialPants on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Neither team was going 16-0 anyway.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
One team was definitely trying for it
One team definitely was not.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
It still wasn't going to happen.
You act like I didn’t know what the Saints stated and the Colts didn’t. It doesn’t matter what they stated, neither team was doing it. Neither were as good as the Pats of ’07 and even if they were, look where that got the Pats.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a crystal ball?
Nobody knows if the Colts would have done it, because they didn’t try.
The media was falling over themselves hoping the Saints would do it. It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t going to happen. They couldn’t help themselves.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
I'm sure what they say in the media
isn’t the same behind closed doors.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
DUDE...
Oh. Wait… I forgot, we are not friends
Dudette… Is that better?
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Manning is just more loved by the media. Brees could have been even better than Manning this year and it wouldn’t have made a difference, the media doesn’t play him up enough.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't you throw in fumble and sacks in those stats?
Sacks:
Brees: 20 sacks, 135 yds lost
Manning: 10 sacks, 74 yds lost
Fumbles:
Brees: 9 fumbles, 6 lost
Manning: 2 fumbles, 0 lost.
by UnofficialPants on Jan 13, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Manning doesn't block for himself.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, noone blocks for Manning
I don’t think you know much about the Colts O-line.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm yes
There it is. The MVP should be decided on fumbles and sacks. Screw better passing numbers in every other category!!!
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My personal Tribute to Air McNair
by T--Rac's Posse on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
The MVP should be decided on not turning the ball over, after getting sacked yes.
Sacks are on the QB, even if they weren’t we’re seeing him carry a team more than any other player.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Actually you're incorrect, Brees has a LARGE amount of fumbles
Football outsiders is another source.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
DVOA (value per pass attempt):
Manning: 38.1% (5th)
Brees: 46.1% (1st)"
Where are you getting that number? FO shows Brees as being ranked #3. Manning is #5. That’s also cherrypicking stats. DYAR? And Sack/Fumble% do matter. Fumbles count toward turnovers, and Sacks count against your ANY/A, which btw, is a better stat to look at than Y/A. And a QB has plenty of control over sacks and fumbles, don’t try to pull the o-line card. It’s just not valid.
by flores salicis on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
found this, thought you would like it...
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Jan 13, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Much appreciated! I'll be buying you those for your wedding shower!
I also want one of Phil running like an ostrich and Phil and Lem’s chest bump while the Philbust, Lembast, and Teducate people. This thread could use it.
(I’m getting tired of these threads. We have a stinkin’ playoff game to worry about. We’re all just so nervous we would rather argue about MVP and dumb tweets with fans of teams that didn’t make it to the playoffs.)
I just find the pics...
making them would require real work.
Wait. A. Minute. We have a playoff game?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Jan 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Playoffs?! PLAYOFFS?!!!111?!!!
Oh crap, you’re right.
/must focus on the prize – Peyton on another SNL after he gets another Lombardi.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
You know Eli was hurt...
he won a superbowl FOR new york, yet no invite to SNL.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Jan 13, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
But, I’ve also read that he’s pretty shy. Doing a commercial is one thing – I can’t see him doing a live show…
/poor Eli
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don't they?
I could make them…. maybe in the off season.
(Hopefully the show isn’t gone by then. sniff)
DON'T SAY THAT!
They can’t cancel their funniest show, they can’t…
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Jan 13, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Brees didn't win because he wasn't the MVP of his own team
You want to say Brees had better numbers, and you’d be right because he did…
However, he also had the 5th best rushing attack in the league which allowed him to offset bad errors by running the ball.
Meanwhile, Manning just had the league’s worst rushing attack, 2 nobodies fresh off the college bus basically as his 2nd and 3rd WR’s….and still managed to be both the least sacked QB in the league as well as being in the top 3 in basically every measurable category…
You tell me who was more MVP for their team…….
I’ll give ya the argument that Brees definitely had a shot, and he was the only one who had a true legitimate shot….but having multiple games where his turnovers and lack of production was the reason the team suffered…..it’s not good…
Peyton failed to produce a passing TD once…. Brees twice. Peyton’s worst full game of the year was still a better game than Brees worst game.
by DevilsReject on Jan 13, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
chris johnson is like wilt chamberlain
pretty sure he cares more about his stats than winning
go mavs, go colts, go rangers, go baylor
lol
This thread is teh win. Good to have you around hal. I think I need to hit up MSM more often, you guys are a lot of fun.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
Fun?
Seriously? I actually HATE even going to the comment sections on just about any post since the Jets game, which is sad. I have not felt so disconnected to the SB community in the 3 1/2 years I’ve been coming here. And I think many in the core group of commenters feel the same way. Between BBS’s incessant ramblings about Polian and CJ, to the MCM invaders, to the trolls of various non-playoff teams, to everyone bitching about “benchgate” in threads that have nothing to do with it – just shut up! Let’s talk about THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS and their DIVISIONAL ROUND PLAYOFF GAME against the BALTIMORE RAVENS.
I can’t even get myself to interview Dudley Guice, Jr. now because I just don’t even want to contribute anymore. This place needs to get its shit together
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
by Bullard47 on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
It'll get better....
we miss you.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Whole-heartedly rec'd.
Let’s see some good old fashioned banhammering and clean this place up. With all these idiot trolls it’s starting to turn into the Texans blog.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 13, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you don't intend on calling me troll.
Because I’ve been coming here for quite some time. And although I agree with most of the people on here and argue with them, I enjoy it here. So I’m sorry if you don’t want me here because my team didn’t make the playoffs, but hey that is just how one can interpret your comment.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
No I really doubt
he’s talking about you…tons of people joined SB right after Manning was benched in the Jets game, and ever since this place has gone to shit. No one is banned for whatever reason, but something NEEDS to happen. Its bad here…real bad
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
We do miss you!
The open threads are free of all this. I can’t properly stalk if you are hiding in your batcave!
Rec'd
You are missed.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 13, 2010 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thank you all
I really do appreciate the sentiment. I also have a girlfriend, work, and school taking up my time.
And DIB I don’t say you are a troll. You’ve been here. Though one does wonder why a dolphin’s fan would want to come to a Colt’s board only to tell Colts fans that their team and QB are not as good as they think they are. But that is your opinion and I respect that.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
by Bullard47 on Jan 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol alright. I knew I saw you around.
I was just making sure. But for that, keep around. We only ever experience Jets trolls so for that I can’t imagine what you guys have got. I’m just me and I fully except Manning is going to go down as the best QB in NFL history, I just had rather someone else be MVP.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 14, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well said.
Rec’d for being accurate.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 14, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
In all of this
I totally forgot to congratulate CJ on this award. It really is well deserved.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
You were probably off watching SNL like I told you to.
But only the United Way skit.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 13, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think they should do a Peyton
celebrity Jeopardy skit. It has great potential. I might put together a little video in the off season.
That one was great...
all of the skits were full of win, really.
The last one, where he is able to say (something to the effect of) “I walk around with a slice of ham in my pants just so I have my own secret” with a straight face I thought I would die laughing. Comedic gift. Impeccable timing.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
THAT one
was just BAD. Horrible. But in a funny way.
/Peyton’s perfect
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
anyone wanna reanimate the late night open thread with me?
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2010/1/13/1248830/late-night-open-thread
let the dead thread rise again…
Go Colts!
Was kind of fun...
I’ve been switching back and forth between write-offs and insulting people.
The day has flown by! lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You have a lot of time to troll
When your team isn’t in the playoffs.
"About a month ago I got a cactus. A week later, it died. I was really depressed because I was like 'Damn! I am less nurturing than a desert.' (Ladies, that's not true)"
I read all these comments
and I just want to talk about the game on Saturday. Can’t wait to see the injury report – hoping for it to be relatively clean.
No way there are more than 3 people
Who sat out completely.
"About a month ago I got a cactus. A week later, it died. I was really depressed because I was like 'Damn! I am less nurturing than a desert.' (Ladies, that's not true)"
/crosses fingers
//crosses toes
///prays to football gods
////rubs on Peyton bobble-head for luck
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 13, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
needs more sacrifices to football gods
May I suggest a burnt sacrifice of Brady’s bobble-head?
by flores salicis on Jan 13, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
And he comes with a baby goat!
Sacrifice them both!
by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That picture is always appropriate...
I heart it.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Go back to your team's website
Blog on your own team’s website about your upcoming playoff game or if your not in the playoffs talk about what the off season looks like but stop perusing the Colts blog. I don’t go to MCM or any other site to talk smack about the same old worthless bander. Talk playoffs. The game is in two days. The Oscar’s (MVP,Offensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, best coach, worst coach, worst team,ect) for football have been awarded. Done. Talk about the Lane Kiffin defection to USC from Peyton’s Alma Mater.
BREAKING NEWS! BREAKING NEWS!
BBS, get all over this. I’m shocked it’s not on the front page yet.
TheReal_Lendale: We still lookn 4 peyton & cj2k mvp award lmao burrrr
So if your reasoning is correct, this is not a joke because Lendale spelled Peyton’s name right.
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 13, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Huh?!
Who gives a rat’s ass what LenWhale thinks? He probably won’t be with the Titans next seson anyway.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
But who gives a rat's ass with Johnson says in a tweet either?
Just sayin’.
Insert Clever Statement Here
Damnit!
If I knew how/what/when/why/whatever to tweet twit (seriously, I’m only 25. How can I be so unwise in the ways of the interweb?) Lenwhale I’d tell him Chris Johnson wants his address so he can go get all those TD’s back that Lenwhale stole from him…
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Jan 13, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Johnson
I think Chris Johnson deserved the award. He did what he did on a team that struggled and where defenses could load up against him.
fuck it
everybody needs to calm down, smoke a bowl, and realize when arguing sports (and many things, for that matter) you’re almost never going to change someone’s opinion. manning is damn good. cj is damn good. we all can agree on that, right?
these awards are so trivial anyway. i guess what i’m saying is “who cares?”
by coolyjohn on Jan 13, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think
most of us will pass on your “bowl” offer there smokey. I had enough bowl when Iowa beat GT in the Orange Bowl. That was good enough for me!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
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