Momentum in the NFL playoffs is indeed over-rated
Coming into the AFC and NFC Divisional games, no two teams were hotter than the Dallas Cowboys and the San Diego Chargers. Heck, some were saying that "momentum" would propel the the Baltimore Ravens past the Indianapolis Colts.
In both the media and in fan circles, the talk of momentum was as loud as any other subject. In fact, the chatter was so intense that the battle was not simply between the Vikings and the Cowboys or the Colts and the Ravens. The battle was an ideological battle between "resting starters" and "building momentum." Coaches and players got into the discussion, weighing in on one side or the other.
The "immortal" Michael David Smith, via the Wall Street Journal:
This year's two hottest teams—the San Diego Chargers and Philadelphia Eagles—have a chance to enter the playoffs having won at least their last five. Teams with that kind of momentum usually do very well when the playoffs...
Confident Dallas Cowboys ride momentum into playoffs"That’s the way to go into the playoffs," Phillips said. "We still have the playoffs to go, but I think that’s the way you need to go into the playoffs. We certainly couldn’t go in on a higher note. People are going to keep coming back to [the past] unless you do something about it. This team did something about it."
The Chargers were rested and ready, they were playing the best football in the N.F.L., and they believed they had a coach who knew how to win in the playoffs.
The 2009 NFL season is quickly coming to a close, but the Chargers aren't done just yet. We move away from Week 16 and approach the final game of the regular season this Sunday, with the Chargers full of momentum as they head into the playoffs.
When someone mentions "Big Mo," I always think of a former baseball slugger. In football, however, it refers to another opaque entity: momentum.
You’re hearing that word bandied about regularly as we approach the NFL playoffs, perhaps in no division more than the NFC North. Our two playoff teams are going in opposite directions, and the debate is on as to whether their late-season performances will impact their postseason run. How much importance should we place on Minnesota’s 1-3 record in December? What does Green Bay’s 3-1 mark over the same stretch indicate?
Colts' Rest vs. Ravens' MomentumThe Colts believe they will be fine after all that rest, which includes the bye that comes with the No. 1 seed. They will certainly be healthy, as key players such as defensive ends Dwight Freeney (abdominal) and Robert Mathis (quadriceps) were able to nurse themselves back to full strength.
In Indianapolis' case, they thought it would be better to turn it off down the stretch once home-field advantage was secured.
Of course, there are two sides to that argument.
"There's something to be said for coasting in, because obviously, you've earned that right to do that," said Ravens head coach John Harbaugh last week. "You've gotten to the point where you've won a lot of football games up to that point, where you were able to rest some people. I think there's an advantage to that.
"There's an advantage to having to fight your way in. If you look at the history, probably, of who's won the World Championship, you've seen it come from both places, right?"
Final scores:
Colts 20 - Ravens 3
Vikings 34 - Cowboys 3
Jets 17 - Chargers 14
January 17, 2010: The day "momentum" died.
One of the truly great things about sports is that the play on the field will often end all arguments. The play will prove or debunk all theories. There is a certain finality to (duh) the final score, and when the final score throws monkey poop in the face of the whole "you have to have momentum going into the playoffs," look for the talking heads and coaching idiots who trumpeted that "theory" to run and stick their heads in the sand.
And it was not just this season where "momentum" was shown up to be the fool's gold it is. At the start of last season's playoffs, no team looked worse heading into the tournament than the Arizona Cardinals. They'd been blown out in multiple games down the stretch, and had rested starters two games prior to the end of the regular season. Contrast this with our Colts, who won nine straight games going into the post-season.
Cardinals went to the Super Bowl while the Colts lost in the Wild Card.
Despite this, the subject of momentum popped up again these playoffs, and once again the teams that were, quite simply, better than the perceived teams with "momentum" triumphed.
The Vikes destroyed the Cowboys because they were supposed to. The Vikes are better, up and down the roster. The Colts beat the Ravens because they are better. The Saints blasted the Cardinals because... you get the point.
If anything, this weekend gave a small measure of vindication to Bill Polian, who stated way back on December 8th that "momentum is over-rated." People like me laughed off his claim that practice would help keep a team from accumulating "rust" just as well as another team who was playing a real, live NFL football game. I still think there is some truth to the notion that practice cannot simulate the value of a real game, but in the case of momentum v. rest, Bill Polian won the weekend.
More than the Cowboys, Cardinals, Ravens, and Chargers losing this weekend, what truly lost was the over-rated, over-used myth of momentum.
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Great article, good read
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
What about the Jets Momentum?
Good thoughts but what about the Jets? They came in winning their last 3 games and it could be argued that they are playing with momentum.
Momentum might be overrated but it’s not dead.
Jets
The Jets don’t need momentum to win. The Jets are good. Momentum does not trump “good.” If momentum were so vital to success, the Chargers, Cowboys, and Ravens would have won. They didn’t. They lost, badly.
Thus, momentum is indeed over-rated. Is it worthless? Of course not. Momentum can certainly help a bit. But is it the be all and end all of deciding factors, which is what pretty much everyone and their grandmother was writing about heading into this weekend? Again, no.
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Completely agree
Momentum can be one factor of service to a team like the Jets with many new faces. But like BBS pointed out here, it’s not THE overriding factor, nor can it operate separate from other issues. All the momentum in the world won’t win you a game if the other team executes better.
And that’s the key: Momentum – actually better thought of as being in rythm, in a “groove”, so to speak – helps teams that don’t have the experience that Indianapolis has to execute well. It helps them stay focused by imposing a predictable element in their routine. But ultimately, wins and losses are decided by who executes better, and “momentum” is only one factor that aids that.
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I like the words rythm or in a groove when people try to describe what they call momentum. The perception of momentum involves so many things and it is a terrible analogy to what happens in the football field.
Would a team that just won four straight tough match ups entering the playoffs but lost their starting all-star QB in the last quarter of that streak can be said to have momentum? I dont think so.
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by LasEspuelas on Jan 18, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I will just quote what I posted on another article about momentum, from a Ravens player no less, "momentum is like a rock rolling down a hill it has to stop, I will take confidence everytime.
by Ufanforreal on Jan 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was impossible for whatever team that plays the Colts
not to have the media’s version of momentum. If the Chargers won they’d be the hottest team in football and if the Jets won then they have won all those playoff games to reach us. Winning football games = momentum, and you have to win football games to reach this point of the season.
Don’t get me wrong. I think the Colts are going to come in ultra-focused and smash the Jets. I’m just saying that the momentum talk won’t stop just because of this past weekend’s games. When the Colts make it to the Super Bowl, then and only then will the mainstream media get the point.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think that it's pretty safe to say that the "momentum is everything!" meme is dead
Momentum can still help teams, as Naptown said, but it should no longer be looked at as a deciding factor in the playoffs.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 18, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions
Teams with "momentum"
arguably face the most pressure of any in the playoffs, because the idiotic sports media slobbers over them so much and make them out to be unstoppable juggernauts, the teams focus more on “not losing” than winning because they feel they have so much to live up to. This is one of the many reasons whey sports journalism is a complete disgrace nowadays and those who work for networks like ESPN are less qualified to be analysts than average fans are.
The Jets, in my opinion are a slightly worse team than the Ravens, but that doesn’t mean they can’t pose a more viable threat than the birds did. Still, though, the similarities b/w the two are eerie. Both have been deemed as having momentum. The Ravens run game looked unstoppable against the Pats. Their pass game was sub-par. The Jets run game looked unstoppable against SD, while the pass game was sub-par. Both have great D’s with pro bowl caliber players. Many analysts say the Ravens “should have” beat the Colts back in Baltimore in week 11, while those same morons actually say that even with our starters, the Jets played us tough.
The Colts put a stop to the Ravens talk, and should be able to do the same with the Jets talk. Everyone likes a Cinderella story, and the game will be pumped like one by the media. But let’s not overthink this one too much. The Jets played well, but the Chargers played like absolute garbage. Nothing the Jets have done since the Colts game has made me think they are all of the sudden a top-tier juggernaut. They are still as beatable as they were in week 16, and the media is deciding to look past all of Rex Ryan’s coaching mistakes yesterday because Turner’s mistakes made his look like nothing.
The Colts will not take this one lightly like SD did. Of that I am sure.
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by npb1985 on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Over-hyped indeed!
Go Horse!
I was commenting on Stampede Blue long before May of 2008 you freaks....
It appeared...
…as though the Colts, on both sides of the ball, came out a tiny bit flat in the first quarter – a few dropped passes, and slight confusion was apparent on a few plays. Nothing to be concerned with, but flat nonetheless.
At the very least, that was simply my impression.
Without a shred of doubt, however, the Colts awoke from their success-induced, bye-week slumber, in the second quarter. At a minimum, we were unstoppable, and the performance of our boys was exciting!
I must admit – I wanted the Chargers. Badly. Oh well – the Jets will do! GO COLTS!
by The Learned Hand on Jan 18, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Honestly, I thought they looked like the team we saw all year when they played against good teams.
And I thought they looked sharper than they did after their bye-week.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
They looked sharp to me on that
first drive where they got a FG. The Ravens have a good D. Can’t get a TD every drive.
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Another Factor
One thing about our Colts, they have total respect for other teams. I think it was Reggie Wayne who said a few months ago, “We’re all scholarship players”, meaning that all teams deserve to be viewed for the same capabilities as our own. I suspect the Chargers were focussed on the “next game” (the one against us) as opposed to the game they were playing against the Jets (the “backed-into the playoffs” team). Colts take it one game at a time so the Jets will be well in their sites.
Can the Jets win? Of course. Funky things happen on football fields from blown calls, to poor playing to odd ricochets of footballs off feet, helmets, etc. Will the Jets win? Not if the Colts do what they’ve done all season. Give healthy respect to their opponent, focus on THAT opponent (never mind the next game), and play the solid football they have played all season.
The Jets have been playing with heart these past games but Colts always play with heart and always play to the end so I don’t see them folding the way the Bengals and Chargers did in their fourth quarters.
and this is where the rest will come in
the Jets have had to play their hardest now since week 16 to be where they are.. They have got to be feeling it, on top of all the travel. I would say they are a more tired battered team than what we saw in week 16, while we are MUCH healthier. The colts were handling the jets fairly well with a number of starters out or only seeing limited action. And I suspect there will be some extra motivation given this is the team that wrecked our perfect season.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Brock is twitter king
Love it.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
He def. is King of twitter
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
I’ll wait until AFTER the Colts beat the Jets before I agree to any such statement. The Cowboys suck so unbelievably bad in the playoffs anyone would be a fool to base any kind of general trend on a single Cowboys game.
And the Jets are showing just exactly what a team can do when they play full bore, streak into the playoffs and never let up.
So now we see, once and for all how the Rest vs Rust argument shakes out next week. It couldn’t be a more perfect matchup up to finally put this issue to bed.
If the Colts win then Polian et al are vindicated and we can officially kiss any hopes of ever seeing an undefeated season goodby – because Polian will ALWAYS let off the gas for the final one or two weeks.
If the Colts lose AND they lose becaue the offense can’t seem to get a rythem going (they didn’t exactly look on fire against the Ravens) then Polian will be ridiculed for the rest of his career. And we can STILL kiss any hope of seeing an undefeated season goodbye because there is no way in hell that Polian would ever admit he was wrong and change.
All things being equal, I hope Polian is right, the O is rested, and they can somehow shake the rust.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it's rust
I think this is just how our Indianapolis Colts play the game. They don’t make mistakes, they are fundamentally sound, and they make plays when needed. But they aren’t the same team as they were 3,4,5 or 6 years ago. There are a ton of young players on this team and they will continue to make mistakes like they have all year. But as long as there aren’t stupid penalties or crazy turnovers, Peyton simply will not allow this team to lose.
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By the way
Notice that the Chargers had the week off also, that is a break of momentum in and of itself.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions
Momentum is uncountable
And good dammit, it’s something so silly. The media bashed us with this “momentum” talk, and what’s the exact definition of it? Being a losing team but do a good campaign in the last couple of games during the regular season? You won’t win games by playing great in the last 5 games of the season. Suck my dick statisticians, cause all I can hear and read from you is crap
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Statistics are an attempt to rationalize the irrational.
In the long view, if done accurately, they will give you a reliable view of what should happen, but in the short term there is too much chance for stastical outlyers. Brett Farve’s interceptions are a perfect example, this year he’s thrown far fewer than normal, but I’ll still bank on a multiple pick performance every week.
On a related note, momentum is about as real as clutch.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
The actual statistician would never talk about momentum. Is the sports commentators and journalist that try to use statistics and terms they dont understand to describe teams coming into the playoffs. In any case momentum as defined by mainstream media seems to be defined as:
Winning the last few (however many is convenient to be impressive) games prior to the playoffs without resting any of your players.
Momentum in the true sense of the word would be lost instantaneously after a game is over. Who knows, maybe between halves. How many times have we seen a Colts team start a game flat but put it together after half-time or vice-versa?
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by LasEspuelas on Jan 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nice
Good post, BBS.
As an aside, I think we should note Caldwell’s decision to hold a more competitive week of practices during the bye. Ones v. Ones was very different from what Dungy had done in the past during bye weeks, and produced great results. 0-2 under Dungy post-bye, 1-0 under Caldwell post-bye. Don’t get me wrong, I love Dungy—he’s a lock Hall of Famer—but I think Caldwell chose the better route for shaking off any rust and keeping the team excited but healthy during the weeks leading up to the divisional round.
Jim Polian
This man built our team, one of the winningest teams of all time, our Colts. So when a hard decision was made to rest starters, he and his staff did with conviction. They believed in it and we should too. After all, Mr. Polian, coach Caldwell, and the entire staff and players are focused, smart and ready. As they will be for the Jets! GO COLTS!!!!!!!
he would of had to correct it for it to be
cass’d
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's an inexcusable error.
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"They believed in it and we should too."
Sorry, I never act like sheep. I’ve been a fan of the Colts long before Polian, and will continue to be a fan long after he is gone. His post season record isn’t all that hot – he’s great at building a team and no one can ever take that away – he’s a personelle genius. However, I detest the way he dips into coaching decisions in the post season.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I've followed the Colts since 1984. I agree that Polian is overbearing and dickish, but he got the Bills in position to win 4 straight SBs, not to mention what he's done here.
I think your WAY out of line saying that anyone who believes in Polian is a sheep.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
If that's what I had said then you would have a point
That’s not what I said. The poster I responded to claimed that we should “believe” whatever Polian does because he’s Polian. That is the very definition of sheep and I won’t have my fandom dictated to me thank you very much.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. I just wanted you to clarify that statement.
You are more than entitled to your opinion, I just didn’t want to read another “them or us” arguement.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'll add a little opinion to my last statement...
Once upon a time, when ESPN used to do actual reporting and analysis, it was said that older teams benefit more from rest than younger teams. I truly believe this. When you look at who rested, they were mostly vets. In ‘05 these guys were alot younger, maybe we shouldn’t have rested them. I don’t know. Just something else to think about. I say we wait and see how this season shakes out before we come to conclusions.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I say we wait and see how this season shakes out before we come to conclusions.
Which is what I said in a post a little earlier. This match-up could either settle the Rest vs Rust debate or blow it wide open. There really couldn’t be a better designed test if the teams had been choosen by hand.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, and that's why I didn't attack your arguement. I completely agree with the sentiment.
Honestly, even if those of us on the “other side of the discussion” we proven absolutely right I wouldn’t spike the football over it (well, maybe in an open thread, but that’s friendly ball busting, and should be taken about as seriously as I’d take the “fuck you”s I’d get in return). A well thought out arguement is always welcome if I agree with it or not. I just hate the emotional crap.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Jets
This Jets team is very similar to the Ravens. They have a young quarterback who will be extremely lucky to reach 125 yards passing. They focus on their running game and on their defense. The same 2 things that the Ravens focus on. I think that the one difference between these 2 teams, is that the Ravens had better talent in the running game and on defense. Ray Rice is a much bigger threat than Jones and Greene, and certainly Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are on a different level than most defensive players in the NFL. I think that the Colts can come into this gam with the same game plan and do just fine. As long as we put up some points and avoid turnovers in our own territory, we will be fine. The only way that the Jets can get into scoring position is by benefiting from turnovers. Our Colts will just come out and play their game and be just fine. XLIV here we come!
by The Baseball Freak on Jan 18, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
I just hope they consider us as a same offensive team like the Chargers
With streak routes and giant WRs who mostly win any kind of coverage, so Rivers can take all the glory just making those passes and laughing at the defensive players faces. Besides, our OL will have to keep protecting Manning like they did the whole regular season, and I really hope they open some good roles to Addai and probably Hart
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Jet fan here.
Jets are similar to the Ravens. Yes. Except we’re better. The Ravens D is not the same as in years past, and actually wasn’t very good. The Jet D is far superior to the Raven D. Don’t sleep on Revis, Harris, Pace and company. And our running game much more physical than the Raven’s. Our O-line is the best in the game and we have an emerging rookie in Greene thats big and fast and physical, as opposed to the shifty Rice and slick McGahee.
The Jets will move the ball against your small D-line. Obviously the game will be decided by the winner of the Chess match btw Rex and Manning. Admittedly, Manning scares us to death. But we will be in the game. I hope its a good one.
The Jets will move the ball against your small D-line.
Insert Ravens instead of Jets and it’s utterly similar to what Ravens fans said.
If you think size will win the game for you, you will be disappointed.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravens ran the ball well against you guys but abandoned it.
If you think we’ll abandon the run, no matter the score, you will be disappointed.
you ran better against us once our starters were taken out. But even before that
look at who didn’t play. for one we didn’t have mathis playing and that will make a big dif. Don’t underestimate our D, we have done well against the run this year. And especially against good backs.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
You're one of the worst teams against the run.
And power running games have smoked you all year.
Huh?
Smoked us? Was that why we had to pull our starters before the incredible Jest had a chance?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Love ur twist of logic.
On the re-read it will say that power running games have smoked you all year. Meaning your defense can’t stop a power running game. Which the Jets have.
But yes. We beat you.
UMM re think that. You can not honestly say we haven't beat a power run game.
iMO (9ers, titans, rams maybe) thats off the top of my head.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Rams u didnt. Jackson went off.
Titans are not a power running team with CJ. White got 11 carries for 50+ yards.
Jackson went off in the 4th quarter
When we were up by a gazzilion of points.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which power running teams
Has beaten our starters this year?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Who didn't beat our starters
Who has beaten our starters?
You get one more chance.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
umm he did say starters
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ur starters played. And they got beat.
Now they will get beat up.
Hahahahahaha.
You are funny.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
your hilarious if you think you beat our starters
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
come on get a title lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bla bla bla
Even for Jets fans, the Colts are the underdogs… oh nice!
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they will be aware of the truth soon enough
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Steven Jackson had 10 carries for 33 yards in the first half – 3,3 ypc.
Thomas Jones had 10 carries for 34 yards in the first half – 3,4 ypc; Greene had 5 carries for 34 yards – 6,8 ypc.
And what did the almighty Jest get out of this? 3 points – well congratulations, you really beat us there… not so much.
Do you realize that
the Jets were able to run the ball well after the Colts pulled their starters?! The Jets running game wasn’t doing shit before that!
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
no he doesn't realize this
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
In the first half of the Week 16 game
the Jets rushed for about 65 yards, very good, but nothing fantastic. They this against a defense missing at least 3 starters. This coming up game, you’re going against Mathis, Powers (a rookie CB better than most vets) and Brackett full time.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
HUH???? do you watch any games. we have done well against the run this year look at the facts, watch the games.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
You mean like...
Miami? Jacksonville twice? Rams?
Those games? Don’t see any other power running games other than those. Please point them out.
Umm miami isn't a power running team at all nor does it have a power running back. most of there yards were
off of wild cat and none of it was because of a power running.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
really show me how they are a power running team/or game. They are not.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Listen crackhead
The amount of stupidity you have spit at us proves yourself to be so incredibly ignorant, that any comment made by any colts fan, even if it is dumb, still makes you an idiot.
We owned your punk asses in week 16 until we pulled starters and decided that we would allow you into the playoffs. After the Ravens game, and the massacre we will lay upon your team on Sunday, this may be the easiest road to the Super Bowl of any team in a while. Seriously, you all are the George Mason of the NFL playoffs. Nice Cinderella story, but everyone knows you shouldn’t be here, so let the big boys handle it from here on to Miami, kapeesh?
Go back to the meadowlands with your moral victory, you’ve earned it. We’ll thank you for making it so easy when we hold the Lombardi trophy in Miami. Please tell me Rex will have Sanchez spike it on the final drive of the half with a timeout remaining again? I like watching stupid coaching mistakes.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
And those teams smoked us?
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Alot of our starters were also inactive for that game.
Don’t feed the troll. Let him enjoy his delusion for a week.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
They ran terribly
They got 87 yards on 19 carries, with 20 yards coming on one of the last carries, which Rice promptly fumbled.
Rex has also really never won a chess match against Manning. He came close in 06, with a far superior defense. He lost that one too. You may hold us to 20, fine. You won’t sniff 20 on offense.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Lol @ won't sniff 20.
Manning, for all his greatness, is a below avg QB in the post-season. You were lucky to get to 20 against that far inferior Raven defense. They handed you that game and you got bailed out by bad calls for your TD before half. And if you think our backs are gonna juke and jive at scrimage ur nuts (See Charger safety Weddle on Greene TD).
WOW your a joke if you believe anything your just wrote
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a little inflamatory but its mostly true.
I stand by it.
they def. made mistakes which would have kept them in it. However
if that didn’t happen we wouln’t have let up and would have scored more. if you watched you could have seen that we could have scored more but especially in the 4th we went to almost all run to work the clock.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
You are a great comedian
Applause.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
LOL @ the Ravens being an inferior defense
You make it sound like the Colts just beat the Chiefs. The Jets might be the #1 defense but the Ravens were #3 in total defense themselves.
The game plan will be the same as it was against the Ravens and the Colts can actually tackle. Even if you can run the ball for over 100 yards, you can’t beat the Colts with a sub-200-yard passing game. Just ask the Miami Dolphins!
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
The team that the Jets beat in week 16 wasn’t the Colts. Congrats on beating our Preseason team.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
yea you did it againt the backups
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Rex Ryan has the same thoughts you have
So he can drown himself in his own fat paunch. Why do you always pays attention to the statistics? Maybe you don’t want to realise that this Colts “soft” defense is 8th less scored in the regular season, and handled the “explosive” running offense of Ravens to only 80 yards and 3 points. The Chargers are held to 14 points, but we’re not the Chargers
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
And we're not the Ravens.
It was 15-10 when your team got scared to get hurt and pulled their starters. We think it was a lucky drive, just like you think it was a lucky return. We think it was just a matter of time before we started banging Peyton around just like we did to Painter with the starting offense.
Obviously your coach agreed or he would have left everyone in to get their individual accomplishments and let them sit out all together against Buffalo. If its about getting healthy and staying healthy, why did your guys play in the Buffalo game?
Before you chickened out and spit in the face of history we had you right where we wanted you. Now we get to prove it to the whole country when we punish you on Sunday.
haha keep wishing, i see nothing about your team that makes me think we would lose to you. actually i am
more confident than ever that we wont.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You spit at history.
Now the team that you “let” in will eliminate you. How ironic.
We respected history.
We care about the playoffs first.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
No, we don't
Let’s not whitewash it. We quit on a chance to make history. Winning the Super Bowl won’t change that.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Really, you wanted to play in the Blizzard?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, hopefully the players take it out on the Jets then.
I thought it was one of the smartest moves possible.
If a key player got hurt in the Blizzard you’d be pissed.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why did manning even take a snap in he blizzard?
Bad karma and u know it.
Three series, vs a whole game.
Because we wanted to practice, but watch the touches.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why not just 3 more series against the Jets then?
Why risk an ankle in the snow?
15-1 or 14-2.
What does it matter? There is no way we are playing in the Blizzard.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like you guys were scared of the Jets then.
Otherwise you would have just played it out.
Makes no sense.
Make no mistake
The players were NOT scared of the Jets. Polian was, the PLAYERS were not. It will be the players out on the field this week, not Polian.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
He can't help himself.
He’s on a binge with this stuff.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
he has gone so far if he says anything different now he will be contradicting himself lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Please
Your team would rather lay down like a cheap whore, than play for immortality.
You pulled guys just to play them again the next week for three lousy series.
Your team was chicken.
whatever it doesn't matter what you think because it wont change the outcome of this game
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
We don't care about your team.
Our kicker won’t miss 3 Fieldgoals either.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
you want us to be scared but we arent and wont
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
no such thing as karma in my book
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Next man in
You can’t play scared when you’re playing football.
Did anyone who was in get hurt? If getting Wayne and Clark to 100 receptions was important enough to play then winning should have been important enough as well.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stop.
If a key guy got hurt we’d be screwed. There is no way around it.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
You mean like
how we were screwed when Gonzo went down?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between week 1 injuries and week 17 injuries
It’s called adjustment.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Collie stepped in from day one
And has been performing at a high level ever since
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
no one denied this
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Then why play scared of injuries?
Especially when you are more than willing to play in a blizzard for a couple of “personal records” for Wayne and Clark?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
personally i didn't think they should have really played in that game at all.
and i didn’t like the timing of them pulling in the jets but you know what the superbowl is more important when it comes down to it. I don’t care if we never go undefeated id rather have superbowl rings
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
I want both – and we could have had it this year.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
yes it would have been nice but im over being mad, and
just looking forward to what is coming.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'll get over being mad IF
the Colts beat the Jets. If they lose, then I’ll never forgive Polian. Ever. And even if the Colts win the SB it will still be a stining reminder of what COULD have been.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
understandable, i guess i just got over it faster
since my issues were a little dif.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck history
We’ll get another shot, and the Jets? Maybe they’ll start the next season losing in the first game
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
No, we won't get another shot
Polian will do the same thing next time. The Colts will NEVER have an undefeated season as long as Polian is in charge.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Because of Polian screwing with the end of the year
coaching decisions? I’ve been a fan of the Colts through thick and thin – an ass in the front office won’t stop that.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
19-0 is not the best record.
When we win the Superbowl, I’ll tell you what is the most important record in the NFL.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
No there is something historic occurring, even greater.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Read the previous comment.
I’ll tell you as soon as we win the Superbowl, you just haven’t noticed it yet.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Winning the SB happens every year
It isn’t historic.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
So is eating lunch
That “logic” doesn’t wash with me. Everything is “historic” by that definition.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Amusing semantics though.
Too serious dude.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
So you want to take Polian off his position?
The man who led the Colts to 115 victories in this decade and a Superbowl ring (maybe two)? Well, it reminds me we weren’t so fortunate cause our main backup QB was on the IR, and he does a good job at all. And the backup players have won the last game for the Chargers… It’d happen to us
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
Nope
I want him to leave the coaching decisions to Caldwell
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Colts will NEVER have an undefeated season...
If you know they will NEVER have one then why are you so upset about week 16. You say right here that as long as Polian is in charge he will always pull the starters so get over it already! You knew he was going to pull them because that’s what happens every year. It was a month ago and now the Colts are going into the AFCCG. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!
No, I will not get over it
If you don’t want to read my comments then don’t – it’s that simple. But I will not have my fandom dictated to me by someone like you. I will feel as damned upset as I want to for as long as I want to. I quite frankly couldn’t care less if you appriciate that or not.
If the Colts lose to the Jets I will NEVER get over it – ever. Not until I see Polian leashed and kept out of the coaching decisions and kept to doing what he does best: personnel.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 19, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
You want some cheese
With your whine?
And yes, if you want to whine incessantly about something, we have the right to demean you for it. It is teh law of teh interwebz.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Thats what you keep saying but i just don't see it.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
ummm NO your nothing like Miami and
the only thing we had trouble with for miami was the wild cat
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
haha ok whatever
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
wildcat works for Miami because of all the practice time they dedicate to it
you can’t just throw together a package, run it a couple times a game and have it work against a credible D.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I’ve seen/read all Crackback has had to say about the Jets and I think YOU, my friend, are seriously underestimating the Colts and if the Jets are thinking about the Colts the same way you are, they’ll get smoked next Sunday.
By thinking we can play power football?
You haven’t smoked a good team all year. What makes you think you can smoke us now when you couldnt before?
We beat you and your nemesis.
We have every right to feel confident.
So does Indy.
Actually, you needed a kick return TD to make it a 5 point game, and that’s with Adam missing an extra point.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Because
We knew your team would be the easiest possible opponent in th eplayoffs.
We actually WANT to play you.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets offense
scored 3 points in 3 quarters.
The Colts offense scored 2 TDs and a FG in 3 quarters.
I’ll say it again…the Jets offense will not score 17 points. It just won’ t happen.
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This is the Playoffs. The Colts Owner, President, and Coach actually want to win this game. Every time the Colts have tried to win a game this season, they’re undefeated.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bull spit
You think the players in weeks 16 and 17 weren’t trying to win? If they weren’t, they don’t belong in the NFL.
Go Jets
Go Devils
Nice first comment
I like the way you start your “contribution” and your way to detract attention from yourself.
/sarcasm off
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 19, 2010 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
Just remember
I’m saying the Jets offense won’t score 17. Is a defense/special teams TD possible? Sure.
If the Jets only score points on offense, they will lose.
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Wow - that's kinda homeristic don't you think?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, not at all
In fact, if they do, I’ll make a front page story, even if the Colts do win, about how I was completely wrong about it.
By the way, the Jets scored 3 non-offensive TDs all year. 2 were in the Colts game, one on Curtis Painter. I don’t think they can count on those points coming again.
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You do realize
that Manning was not the only starter that was pulled, right? There was no Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Saturday, Diem, Johnson, Lilja either.
If the Jets didn’t win that game, I would have laughed at them uncontrollably.
The Colts scored 2 TDs and a FG against the vaunted Jets defense in less than 3 quarters. I don’t see any scenario where the Jets offense scores 17 points.
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Shonn Greene
Don’t underestimate this guy. He knows exactly how to deal with the Colts defense – it is nearly the same identical defense he practiced against while at Iowa.
Yes, I could see them putting up over 20 points – absolutely. Our O will have to bring their A+ game without ANY signs of rust to beat the Jets.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
The next great back in the league without a doubt.
Pray he doesnt get 25+ carries.
It won't even take 25
The Jets are undefeated when he has 10 touches or more. He is a real threat.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
"run to win" is getting the causality wrong
winning causes running, not vise versa.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravens
had 52 carries against the Patriots.
They had 19 against the Colts.
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Shonn Greene does scare me
He’s like the Darren Sproles of the Chargers… And I don’t mean they are the same type of player, but what I mean is, both Sproles and Greene are clearly better than the player in front of them on the depth chart, but their teams continue to give valuable touches to inferior players for some unknown reason. If they came out and said Thomas Jones will only get on the field when Shonn Greene is tired, I’d be a lot more ascurred of the Jets’ offense.
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He's like Daren Sproles plus 6 inches and 50 pounds
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
He also
not at Ray Rice’s level either, at least right now.
In the future, it’s certainly possible. Right now though, Rice is a much better back, and the Colts did ok with him.
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If you think Rice has anything on Greene your nuts.
And Greene’s style is a bad match-up for your D.
yea sure we really saw that come true the last time we played
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
and greene is good (i like him) but he is no Ray Rice. At least not yet
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Stopping Rice is nothing like stopping Greene
Rice is 5-8 and under 210. Greene is 5-11 and 230.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what he has done his rookie year
And how he’s put down 100+ games in the playoffs twice
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all about homerism
But you just lost all your credibility there.
You clearly haven’t watched many Colts games this year, as you keep spouting off about old defenses for the Colts.
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I havent watched many but i watched enough to see your small and fast.
We’ll go jumbo and pull Faneca to the right and pound Greene straight up the gut. We’ll play our game, not yours.
Aha
So you haven’t watched the Colts.
That is why you don’t know what you are talking about. It makes sense. You just go to your next opponents stat page instead of actually looking at how they play.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he is.
If he had had the number of touches Rice had he would have had similar numbers. The man is a war machine who is stronger in the 4th quarter than he is in the first.
Do not underestimate Greene – he will eat you alive.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Greene's greatest asset right now
is that he didn’t have the number of touches Rice had. Meaning he has relatively fresh legs.
I’m not underestimating anyone. Rice > Greene, and the Colts shut down Rice 2 days ago. I feel confident they will do the same to Greene.
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Uh....no
Greene runs harder and longer later in the game than early. Being “fresh” has nothing to do with it.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
And Greene smoked the Colts D
The last time they played for nearly 6 ypc and 95 yards in limited play.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Limited play counts for him
but not for the Colts starters? They didn’t play for a little under half the game!
Actually, they played on Defense
a lot longer than they played on offense. They were only out for the fourth quarter and even then some of them were still in.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ok but were Mathis and Powers playing?
No, we’re coming full strength right now with all hands on deck. It’s a totally different ball game. The Jets on the other hand had all their guys in that game and were LOSING when we pulled starters.
They didn't play at any point in the game
Excluding TWO players does not disqualify the D as being the “first team.”
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
9 carries, 46 yards
against the “first team” defense.
He had one big run, for 21 yards, tackled by John Gill. That was the only drive the Jets scored offensive points.
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And he's a 2nd half back.
U will get a heavy dose of him.
He won't get many carries...
in the second half. It’s going to be hard for the Jets to run when they are down 14 points in the fourth quarter. By the time the fourth quarter rolls around, the Colts will be daring Sanchez to throw the ball. When that happens it’ll be a repeat of Ravens game. Flacco is to Sanchez as Sanchez is to Flacco.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, it was 55 yards
The first team D came out about a drive or two after the first team O. So that is 55 yards over 2 1/2 quarters. I’ll let you extrapolate the rest.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
It was still
the “first team” defense. When Francisco, Gill, Thomas are playing with Brackett, Muir, etc, it isn’t the real first team.
If the game goes as I think it will, the Colts will be up 2 scores, then I’d be more than happy for the Jets to grind out 8 minute drives in the 4th quarter.
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Check that, it was 68 yards through
three quarters. He was still getting 9, 7, and 5 yards per chunk against our first team D late in the third quarter.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
You don't think
Brackett, Muir, Hayden, and Wheeler are first team D?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
They are
but Freeney, Mathis, Brock, Johnson, Powers, Session, Bullitt were not playing.
They are playing now. That is the first team defense.
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Yes, they most certainly were playing
And each had made tackles late in the third quarter.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
scratch Freeney, Brock, and Johnson off.
The other 4 were not playing. They will be on Sunday.
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sorry, i've been freebasing
cane sugar off of a kittens belly
after I go out of my way to pay Greene a compliment, are people really saying that Greene is better than Ray Rice??
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this is craziness.
I guess if we’re going off of playoff performances, Shonn Greene > Chris Johnson, too
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If Chris Johnson played in the playoffs
We’d have something to compare
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
But Cedric Benson
must be REALLY good, hell he might even be the best. After all 8 YPC and 169 yards.. against the number 1 defense in the league!
I was about to ask the same question
Would you trade Greene for Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson? How about Steven Jackson?
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I lost IQ points just reading this...
why do I do it? WHY?!?!?!?!!!
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Meaning Crackhead's string....
Not you, Spaz.
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
no its okay
its scientifically proven: i make women dumber.
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first team didn't play that far in
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
The first team D played until the 4th
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
no it didn't, not the whole first team anyway, and i cant believe you think
that they have a better chance than us. You seriously think they are better?? thats what is sounds like your saying
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
He said nothing of the sort.
You people are nuts. He said Greene will be effective. Thats it.
he is saying a lot more than that if that is all he said we wouln't have an issue.
maybe we should ask your fans on your site and mabye your team what they think about grenne to. Im glad you buy into Rex’s talks lol and act as if you already one. (this is how you come across)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
What? Where did you get that?
Seriously. I have been saying they are better than the Ravens and have a far better chance than the RAVENS. Really, stop being so damn touchy.
Greene WILL get a lot of yardage. It will happen. The Colts are just going to have to get past the Jets D with the passing game and overpower them with offense. And yes, I think the Colts stand a better chance of winning. There, you have my “loyalty oath.” Feel better?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
John Gill?
Ugh. Bad memories from the Buffalo game.
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No he isn't.
Rice is a better receiver and runner.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
How many playoff games does Rice have
where he’s laid down over 100 yards of rushing?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Rice sure did look great against the Pats
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone looked great against the Pats
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Your sample size is ridiculous.
Oakland, Buffalo, Car, Cincy, SD.
SD has a great defense?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm I don't know, you couldn't score on it the first time.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
14 points on offense.
And not all on our starters.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Blah blah blah.
If you wanna lose fair and square then play.
Lol you were making fun of our defense.
But your offense scored 14 points, on our resting D the first time.
Actually do your homework dude.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
WE will play this sunday
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
That is funny
You accusing others of saying “blah”.
Oh, the irony.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
"About a month ago I got a cactus. A week later, it died. I was really depressed because I was like 'Damn! I am less nurturing than a desert.' (Ladies, that's not true)"
The SD run D was
11th in the NFL. The Colts are 24th.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
nfl.com ranks
are definitely the best source for knowing how good teams are.
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judge a team’s rushing defense other than what they do on the field?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, you're rankings are not correct.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they are
Measuring yards given up per game.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
1884 rushing yards given up, 4.5 YPC.
20th, and 24th in YPC.
Your rankings are incorrect.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Can you read? Seriously, can you?
I said “measured in yards given up per game.” Look again and this time try reading for comprehension.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think 1884 rushing yards allowed is?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a total Chuckles
Not yards given up per game.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Lol no.
They’re atrocious, check the rankings.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Prior to the final 2 games of the season they were 15th in the league against the run. They gave up close to 400 yards rushing in those two “meaningless” games and it threw their averages way off.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rice Vs. Greene
Shon Greene in 2 playoff games this year:
264 total all purpose yards, 2 TDs
Ray Rice in 2 playoff games this year:
288 total all purpose yards 2 TDs
Your point is moot. Here’s an irrelevant question that doesn’t prove anything for you: How many 100 yard games has Shone Green had in the playoffs against the Colts so far?
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rice is the more complete back.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
so if the Ravens called and said
Here’s Ray Rice, will trade you Rice for Greene, straight up… your response is no?
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your response is hell no??
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Are you serious?
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It depends on your scheme.
For the Jets, Greene is a much better fit.
This is crazy
How is the Jets scheme different from the Ravens?
It’s really unbelievable you can’t see the two teams are carbon copies of each other.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
And Greene is the better back in our scheme.
You will see on Sunday.
But are you reading what he's saying?
The teams are EXACTLY alike. There’s not much different between the two of them, if anything
And Greene is better.
He a big, north and south runner with explosiveness. Rice is a shifty guy.
What do you know about the Ravens scheme?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm, because of Rice having 2000 yards from scrimmage?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Bc he runs like a sissy.
See Charger safety Weddle for explanation.
5.3 yards per carry.
Damn, what a pussy.
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
however you keep saying that but nothing to back it up
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I have no doubt at all that Greene
will get his yards and at least one if not two scores.
It will be up to Manning to tourch Revis and the Jets’ Secondary to stay ahead.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
dear Crackback and iowa
Bob Lamey called, he said you guys were homers.
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by SpazMo on Jan 18, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
So do I.
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pssst: I'm not a Jets fan
Grow up, seriously. Not having respect for your opponent is the ultimate form of homerism. Homer.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
My comments were directed
at some those trying to claim Greene is nothing to be concerned with, is less of a threat than Rice, and I’m a “homer” for being concerned.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I've never said
Greene is nothing to be concerned about. In fact, he concerns me more than any offensive player on the Jets.
However, any objective person, at this moment, would not say Greene is a better RB than Ray Rice. Nobody.
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Yes, they would.
But please, why don’t you fly off the handle with more shit out of left field. You are ever so dignified and professional when you do that.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I fly off the handle?
I think you’re overreacting. I’m perfectly fine with homers.
But you need to know when the homer glasses cloud your vision. This is one of those times.
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you flew off the handle
When you said something about how I thought Stanzi would be a draft pick or some such silly thing.
Grow up, seriously.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I apologize.
I think you’re being a little over the top with Greene’s ability. Like I said, he might be the best skill position player on the Jets.
But he’s not as good as Rice, right now in their careers. He just isn’t.
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i dont think you have to apologize for anything
by DVOA standards, Ray Rice was the 6th best RB in the league this year
Shonn Greene was 19. Thats still REAL good. But its not 6th.
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those are per carry
so save the PT complant
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
yea, thats why i did
DVOA and not DYAR. And I see you covered the success rate stat (which Addai is better than both in, har har)
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
we are saying he isn't better than Rice,
no one said he wasn’t good and you didn’t have to defend against him.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
read your first few comments and say that again
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
i have a TON of respect for the jets
read previous threads, I’m the only one on this board nervous about the game sunday. the Jets present various problems for the Colts.
I do not, however, worship at the altar of a rookie that isnt even considered the best back on his team by his team. He’s good. I said I think he’s better than Thomas Jones. I said he scares me more than Thomas Jones. I’m being respectful, you’re being a douchewaffle.
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Now into childish namecalling
Nice – and expected.
Saying that Greene is better than Rice isn’t worshiping anything. Greene WILL put down over 100 yards Sunday and at least one score. It’s that simple.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i didnt name call
you think Greene is better than Rice, Addai, Chris Johnson, Jesus, etc..
I think you’re a douchewaffle.
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You are a giant
Iowa homer.
Next you’ll say Ricky Stanzi should be a top 10 pick.
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Where in the hell did that come from
Seriously. I used to have respect for you as a moderator. I just lost it all.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's fine to think Greene is a good player
I have no problem with you thinking that. He’s played really well the past 2 games.
But you’re being way over the top, and I’m not the only one to notice.
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Saying that Greene is better than Rice
Isn’t being over the top.
Kiss off.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Greene is for all intents and purposes
now the Starter.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
there own team doesn't see it that way
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
i have no stats to back this up
but I wouldnt be surprised if through conventional stats or dvoa or both if Joseph Addai had a better rookie season than Shonn Greene’s current season.
There isn’t always a linear progression, folks.
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Are we talking about Rookie Rice or this year's Rice?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
What about this year's Rice sucked?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he sucks.
I said he runs like a sissy.
You don't like over five yards a carry?
by agradecimiento a dios on Jan 18, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
He's boom and bust.
He’s great if you have a good QB.
Ray Rice
Ray Rice 14th in success rate
Shonn Greene 20th
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well when you're comparing him the the Sanchise...
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
i cannot believe
i am still reading this thread… its so comical i cant stop!
go mavs, go colts, go rangers, go baylor
Same here.
It’s weirdly entertaining.
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umm basically same thing just a diffrent word
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Rice was a back up last season
He made the Pro Bowl this season.
Greene is a back up this season. I’ve only claimed that right now, Rice is a better RB than Greene.
I fail to see how Rice being a backup last year has anything to do with this.
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i think we're on some internet
form of candid camera…
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Wouldn't surprise me.
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You didn't go to Iowa???
Amiright? Do I win the prize?
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Turn green, dammit!!!
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
what does scheme matter?
Skill is the only thing that matters… Its like saying I’d rather have Heath Miller than Dallas Clark because Heath Miller fits the scheme better. You get the best players and adapt the scheme to them, not make the scheme and get players for that scheme.
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Cover 2 Corners ;)
by sandtiger812 on Jan 18, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Greene isn't on my team
Now if they offered Rice for Addai….I think I’d say no. (I can’t believe I’m saying this) because Addai is a better receiver and blocker.
If I were a Jets fan I’d say HELL NO!
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm
Addai is a top 5 blocker in the league.
Ray Rice is a top 5 RB and receiving Back in the League. I would take Rice for Addai faster than you could say " ".
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Ok - I wouldn't
I started the year as one of Addai’s harshest critics. He’s converted me.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
So would I,
and I love Addai.
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Although I agree...
Jones had a very productive season, unlike LdT.
not identical
Cover-2 vs Tampa-2 and Indy puts much more emphasis on speed
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Clayborn is excellent
but he doesn’t have Freeney/Mathis speed.
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Running down Grigsby from the other side of the field
suggest that it is real close. And I would argue that the Hawkeyes have indeed stressed speed far more than size over the last couple of years along the D-line.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
not to the extent they do in Indy though
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not yet - but it is certainly getting there
The Ds are close enough with enough similarities that I could see Greene with a bit of an advantage.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
No you are not the Ravens
You are worse.
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not the Ravens but...
This 2009 Jets team is not as good as the 2006 Ravens team that the Colts held to 6 points. Who was the orchestrator of that incredibly hyped defense? Rex “is a dog’s name” Ryan!
Peyton Manning >> Rex Ryan defenses.
by NaptownMenace on Jan 18, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ran well?
Hah!
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by gizzardfanny on Jan 18, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Here we go again...
this reminds me of the Ravens fans after having beaten the Pats.
I try to ignore them.
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Jets Fans
Team has 2 good games, one against a good opponent = Team should now be considered the best of all time.
Team has won more than one playoff game in one postseason = Team will win the Super Bowl and shutout every opponent for 3 seasons.
Player has one good run against a team with below average run D = Player will now break all records and be considered the greatest of all time.
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by AceOfSpades on Jan 18, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
No kidding!
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not get carried away
The Chargers Run D was 11th in the NFL. Not sure that is below average. The Cotls run D, however was in the 20s.
Let’s be honest and admit that the Jet’s running game is what they are going to use to hit us with – and it is a legitimate weapon.
Personally, I think Manning is a far bigger weapon.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
IMO – Manning > all Jets weapons combined.
I’m not saying that the Colts have a dominant run D, but I know from previous experience with the Colts that as people continue to talk more and more sh*t about how terrible they are in years past at stopping the run, things happen and the Colts keep winning.
For the Jets to win, the Colts are going to have to give it to them with several turnovers and a kickoff runback again or something similar. Both teams playing well would not be good for the Jets.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Both teams playing well would not be good for the Jets.
Well said. The Jets running game will be hard to defend – but it couldn’t be any worse than the rushing yards the Colts gave up to Miami and Manning STILL won that game.
I think the Colts can win this – but the Jets’ run game does scare the hell out of me.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
I think the Colts could stack the box and force Sanchez to throw. He is not comfortable throwing downfield and will make mistakes like he has all year. He holds on to the ball too long and Freeney and Mathis will get him and that means sack/fumbles.
Manning will watch so much film this week his head will nearly explode.
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This is true...
even my husband believes the pundits…he said to me as we’re watching the game: “They look like they can stop the run to me, they’re doing a good job” and I told him: “SEEE, I knew you never listened to me!!” Like I’d never mentioned it.
Geez.
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
11th in the NFL...
but giving up 4,5 ypc – which is not 11th best in the league…
Actually, it is 11 best in the league
Measured as yards per carry the Botls gave up a 4 yard average. The Colts gave up 4.2 putting them at 16.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ehm...
Try to take a look at the 2009-stats, instead of the ones from the 2008-season…
Here they are...
Chargers rank 24th (tied with four other teams), meaning that only four teams in the league gave up more yards per carry. Colts gav up 4,3 ypc – 4,1 if you discard the last two games where several starters rested…
I don't discard them.
The Colts chose to play the way they played and the stats are the stats as a result.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
but it's not an accurate representation of the starters play against the run
which is the point of citing the stats.
It’s like tossing out the Vandenburg games when preview Iowa’s Passing O for the Orange Bowl.
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Vandenberg’s game against OSU was pretty damn good…
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
he was crap against jNW and Minny though
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Against NU, yes.
Minny….from what I saw it was a lot of really conservative playcalling and an O-line that couldn’t pick up a blitz to save Vberg’s life.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
against Minny it was like the safeties were invisible to Vberg
the safety blitz was killing him and he totally missed seeing a safety playing centerfield a couple times.
I was in the endzone facing the same way as the O late in the game. Saw a safety creeping up and cringed before the snap. The safety flew in and shocked Vberg, just like on the previous safety blitzes. It was painful to watch.
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by shake n bake on Jan 18, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
The safeties were invisible to everyone in that game
It was as if the entire offense gave up after the heartwrenching loss to OSU.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well duh...
But the stast as they are now don’t tell the truth about the Colts defense that will take the field on Sunday.
Basically, what you're saying is...
if the Colts – God forbid – should suffer an injury to Peyton Manning in the course of this week and start Curtis Painter, we can expect a Colts offense that’ll put up numbers as if Manning was playing…
Or: Tom Brady misses the first three games for the Patriots and for the fourth game you expect him to put up stats based on what Brian Hoyer has put up.
Stats are manipulative, especially if you only take them for the numbers and don’t analyze them… clearly, you don’t analyze them…
Stats are manipulative
Aided by those who chose to use countless “adjustments” until the stats say what they want them to say.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
But even more so
by those who just take them for face value…
Ok
Feel free to “adjust” all you want. I’m sure if you look hard enough you’ll find a stat that says exactly what you want it to say.
Then you can cuddle up at night with your nice warm fuzzy stat and be really really satisfied.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I call it
“Michael Moore” Syndrome. If you look hard enough, you’ll find what you’re looking for.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't look to adjust to my way of thinking
I look to adjust to realism…
And realism is NOT what you get when you look at the stats on nfl.com.
I only take out the last two games for the Colts because they meant diddly-squat and the Colts rested several defensive starters (or had them on snap counts), which severely hurts the defensive stats.
I have no way of knowing how the defense would do had they played with all the starters throughout the game – the Jets could have gained 150+ yards, but I don’t know, and I’m not going to speculate in that, so I base “my stats” on the games where the Colts played with the starters. Nothing more, nothing less
I look to adjust to realism…
Or your perception thereof.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's still better
than what you get by looking only on nfl.com…
Let’s agree to disagree.
I guess we'll see on Sunday
If the Colts Run D is better at stopping the Jets Run O than the Chargers Run D was.
We can both agree, I’m guessing, that we can hope that it is far more successfull.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
We sure can... :)
But still: At the end of the day, it’s not the yardage that counts – it’s the points on the scoreboard. And whether or not the Colts give up 200 rushing yards, I still believe they will win, because they’ll be able to limit the Jets to FG-attempts on most drives…
On the other hand Manning has traditionally done well against a Rex Ryan-defense, and I hope and expect him to do so again…
One thing
to note is that the Chargers fell for the trap of getting too talkative during the game, leading to more personal fouls and unsportsmanlike penalties. The Jets didn’t just dominate the game, the Chargers gave it to them. Big difference.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Thanks, nice catch
However, the Colts are still at 24 and while the Chargers certainly at 11 they are still doing better sitting at 20.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the stats, please...
Colts rank 24th in yards per game, only because they gave up approximately 400 yards over the last two games..
The Colts might give up more yards per game (even if we discard the last two games), but teams also run more against the Colts – and still the Colts only gave up as many TDs as the Chargers…
Yards per carry says SO much more… If you only look at yards per game a team that runs 40 times per game while only throwing 15 will rank dead last as a passing offense, but in reality they could be among the best if you look at yards per attempt, TDs etc.
All of which will mean exactly squat
if the Colts give up 120+ yards to Greene.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
The Colts gave up 134 yards to Steven Jackson...
and the Rams still only scored 6 points.
The Colts are a team that shuts down the other offense in the red zone – it’s what they do. That’s why we beat the Ravens in the regular season.
To beat the Colts you need to score when you get in Colts territory – and you need to score touchdowns, not field goals.
Which is why I said the Colts are going to have to
Out-offense the Jets. That was my original point in the first place. At the same time, it is pointless to disrespect the Jets’ running game which is exactly what a lot of the homers here are starting to do.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 18, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
We should have a lot of respect for the Jets' running game
But that sure as hell doesn’t mean we can’t stop it… it’s not going to be easy, but it can be done.
The Colts need to do what they’ve done all year. Shut down in the red zone: If they do that, the Colts are going to the Super bowl. If not: They will need to out-offense the Jets…
Iowa hawkeye
You are assuming that the Colts have to play the Jets game….IMO the Jets are going to have to play the Colts game (passing more than they want to) because if they don’t the score will start to get lopsided. That’s just my opinion but if the Jets continue to try to run 50 times I don’t see it working out unless they score TDs on every drive.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Look at the first three quarters of the last game
Only 5 points seperated the score. Assuming that Indy is going to put a big gap on the scoreboard early is wishful thinking right now. This is going to be a close and hard fought game.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 19, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
It depends on what stat you use
YPC, and taking out the 2nd team defense 4 quarters played, the Colts were 13th in the league (4.11), while the Chargers were 24th (4.46).
The Jets are one of, if not the best, running team in the league. It gets neutralized by the Colts “doing what they do”, which I think, and I believe you think, they will do. Namely, with #18.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
To Crackback
The Ravens D is not the same as in years past, and actually wasn’t very good. The Jet D is far superior to the Raven D.
3rd ranked defense in the league isn’t very good? Yea, you are so right.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Jets give up 50 yrds less per game through the air than the Ravens.
Saying they weren’t good was overstating. But they are clearly not anywhere near as good as the Jets.
BBS admitting he was wrong
Glory me, what a sight…
Actually, what I like about this site is when writers are wrong, they cop to it unabashedly. Props.
Historical Look
2008 – Colts, lose Wild Card
2007 – Patriots, lose Super Bowl
2006 – Chargers, lose Divisional
2005 – Redskins, lose Divisional
2004 – Steelers, lose Title Game
These were the “hottest” teams entering each postseason. Momentum matters as much as the team with the coolest-looking uniform in determining the outcome of games.
That round had an old-time feel. Three home teams won simply because they were better. There was a crazy game, like usual, but the home teams brought the wood. Glad to see home field matters (at least in domes).
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
That's why both 1s haven't met in the Super Bowl since 1993.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but in those days, the 1-2 would meet in the title game all the time. The home-team record in Title games is far worse than the home-team record in the divisional round.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
It's amazing to see what effect Free Agency has actually had.
Instead of teams loading up they have to constantly retool.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hey San Diego!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoKAcVL_phI
"About a month ago I got a cactus. A week later, it died. I was really depressed because I was like 'Damn! I am less nurturing than a desert.' (Ladies, that's not true)"
Heh.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The first known contraceptive was crocodile dung, used by Egyptians in 2000 B.C.
I repeat...
Momentum is overrated and rest is the new black
Momentum is just another intangible
Lots of things in football can’t be measured but we believe that they exist. We give them names like “swagger”, “confidence”, “mental toughness”, and, yes, “momentum”. All are interesting to talk about in theory but often not very useful in practice. If you can’t measure it, can’t even really define it, how can you know what effect it has on a game?
“Momentum” isn’t dead any more than the Easter Bunny is dead. Hopefully what is dead is the idea that momentum can be quantified (silly) or that it can be deliberately invoked by winning your last X games (even sillier).
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
i dont believe momentum exists.
Confidence certainly does. A lack of confidence will make you play like shit, too much confidence will have you making too many exploitable decisions, but the right amount of confidence is juuuuust right.
Momentum, on the other hand, is nothing. Swagger is probably just a word of confidence bordering on arrogance. But momentum… can you define it for me? Can you tell me how it affects the outcome of individual situations?
Where was the Jets momentum for the first 3 quarters yesterday? Was it their momentum that made Nate Kaeding miss 3 field goals?
Not only do I not think momentum doesn’t matter in the playoffs, I would argue (successfully, imo) that it doesn’t even exist.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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Hello, Ladies!
Well, yeah
Did you read my comment? That was my whole point, really.
You could probably define momentum as “the confidence that comes from a recent string of good performances”. It’s just another mental state that helps you stay loose and not get so stressed that you make mistakes.
It’s like pornography. Nobody can define it but everybody thinks they know it when they see it.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
i think i read it, but i just woke up
i dont think momentum is an intangible… its just a word the media uses to romanticize a smart that is so random that it can’t be completely defined by stats and so mathetmatical that it can’t be defined by words.
There’s no reason why Tampa Bay shit kicked the Green Bay Packers this year, or why Redskins could play the Saints to a draw. Its just so completely random, but people want to explain it. They’ll talk about how the Cowboys are playoff chokers, because some mysical force invades their brains in the playoffs, when it actually came down to flozell adams being hurt and a rested DL pistol whipping their OL.
The Eagles were great, until they ‘showed their youth’… or until their starting C and OG were hurt and lost for the year, they lost 14 MIKEs, their DL was injured and they lost both starting safeties to injury.
The Colts were chokers! They can’t win!
Did you see how they only got THREE POINTS against the Patriots!? WHAT A CHOKE JOB! Except they were outside, in the snow… against the #1 seed. How is a 3 or 4 seed losing to the #1 seed, on the road, in a blizzard a choke job? Its not, but the media has to write a love novel out of every outcome.
If the Colts win this week it will be because they are the better team. If they lose this week it will be because the Jets were the better team.
For the most part, I believe that most performances fall within enough statistical reason to eliminate choking (although Nate Kaeding is about to enter that territory). FOr the same reason I don’t believe in players raising their games in the playoffs. Tom Brady, greatest quarterback ever™ has a lower QB rating in the POs than regular season.. but lets not let facts get in the way…
The Chargers lost yesterday for the same reason the Colts lost in 2005 – they failed to adapt to what their opponent was doing. They didn’t finish drives. They continued to drive their long ball approach instead of using Sproles, Jackson and Gates to create the ONE mismatch you need to move the ball down the field against ANY team. They didn’t respect their opponent and they let them hang around until it was too late.
Momentum, rust, all of that, its just a way for Deion Sanders to sound like he’s smart.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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Hello, Ladies!
by SpazMo on Jan 18, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Your last paragraph
Is why the Colts will win this game. Dallas Clark and Joe Addai coming out of the backfield and sitting about 8 yards past the line of scrimmage in the middle of the field can’t be stopped when the rest of the defense is blitzing and Wayne and Garcon are taking the CBs and Safeties down the field on dummy routes.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
and we've been around long enough to not overlook anyone.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Our guys will NOT take this game lightly.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 18, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's green
Hooray.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 19, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
What I Always Tell BCS Apologists
is playoffs are essential in sports because they determine the best teams. The Cardinals obviously got to where they were last year because they were better than all other NFC teams even if their record didn’t indicate it. The Colts and Jets have proven to be the AFC’s two best teams and I think Indianapolis will win but it’ll be tough. Colts vs. Saints would be completely epic!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 18, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Funniest Video on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxnsprz0roc
"About a month ago I got a cactus. A week later, it died. I was really depressed because I was like 'Damn! I am less nurturing than a desert.' (Ladies, that's not true)"
This article is way too simplistic...
There are too many things that are not taken into account that are just as important…just to say that momentum is the end all be all is short sighted there are many factors which come into play…
Going into this weekend I predicted that the Chargers, and Cowboys would have trouble…maybe not loose, but have serious trouble.
Why??
First the Cowboys…as a team…from owner down to lowly ball boy they were all very excited that they got the monkey off their back with the win the previous week. The Cowboys were very hot…as hot as a team can be…but they all acted like they had won what they needed to and forgot that the playoffs still continued. This showed up the this week when they came out flat and got stuffed!! It had nothing to do with or without momentum…it had everything to do with their mental state going into the game…yea a playoff win…then done!!
Next we have the Chargers. This seems to be a team that thinks they have a devine right to win it all. From LT to Rivers to their coach…they believed all they had to do was show up. Once again, they had momentum…but they did not step it up a notch going intot he playoffs and lost. Listening to LT at the post game conference completely shows this…“this wasn’t how it was supposed to end”…bull crap. They were mental light weights and believed all the hype…period. Nothing at all to do with momentum..although momentum is the high visibility thing to write about now.
Baltimore…I don’t know where the momentum argument came from for this team. I never remember hearing about it…they lost to a better team..the Colts.
The Colts…professional all around…but they did things quite a bit different this season, while resting players. Could this have something to do with it? I think so.
So, while momentum is not something that decides the game outcome…it can and does come into play…but there are other factors which seem to be able to override the whole “MO” argument.
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
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by TRDean on Jan 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yea just this one
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Don't. Feed. The. Fucking. Troll.
Flag his posts and fucking move on. Goddamn it. He’s a fucking attention whore any your giving him a handjob in front of the president.
Grow UP-VintageP
TO: VINTAGE PHOENIX….Gee wiz, you sure add a lot to the forum. Only morons have to resort to using filthy language to get attention. My grandson and I like to read these post together and the comments. I’m embarrassed to have him think that Colts fans are represented by people like you, Are you so scared to try and write something useful that you have to resort to filth to get your point across? I pity you, man..or are you a “little boy out behind the barn” trying out those words to see if they make you sound tough and hard nosed. By the way, my 11 year old grandson probably can dissect the game better than you, and never use bathroom language to do it!
Let the circle be Unbroken!
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you just did your 11yo grandson proud
don’t teach him filfth, but make sure you pass on that pointless hate and anger
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
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Hello, Ladies!
The language is to accent my deep disappointment that this thread has be destroyed by the same baseless shortsided "righteous" anger that you have just shown.
I add tons to this board where ever I can. What have you done? I don’t recognize your name at all. Of all the stupidity that this nation seems hellbent on following blindly, the lowest is censorship. THe free expression of ideas is far more important than cowtowing to fringe special interests like yours. If you don’t like how I express frustration, fine, dig your head in the sand and pretend life was better when people didn’t live passed 50 and it was ok to hate other people and races because you never had to defend your bias, and the loudest/richest idiot in the town got to make law. I choose to live in this century, when if I say something someone doesn’t like, I can face my accuser without having stones thrown at me.
I use the language to express my ideas as well as I can without facial and vocal inflection. That requires that I use ALL my words. Take your idiotic, outdate “big difference between Saturday night and Sunday morning” morality and shove it. Notice the lack of “curses” in this post.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
do you fellate
farm animals with that mouth?!?!
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
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Hello, Ladies!
37?!
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 18, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Just to add, I'm right around the same age as Kevin Smith and Seth Green, if that helps you understand where my humor falls.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have a signed copy of Jay and Silent Bob
so I understand completely.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 18, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I met him at IU when he was doing his first speaking tour (for DVD). My girlfriend (now just friend) was instumental in bringing him here.
She got to hang out with his crew all day and even got to do some camera work…and then she got left off the credits.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, cool.
I have that DVD. Chasing Amy is the best, IMO.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Jan 18, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Great movie and the best commentary track of them all. Mallrats is my fav., but that has to do with my love of the movies he's paying homage to.
I’m sitting in the front row right, but I don’t think you ever get a clear shot of me.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 18, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
im sorry
im so fucking insensitive. my joke wasnt funny. i more embarassed than a rabbit covered in shit. i won’t let it happen again. im sorry.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
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Hello, Ladies!
Nice first comment
I like how you “contribute” and detract attention from yourself and focus on football discussion.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Jan 19, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
Teams go as their QB goes
Difference between Romo and Favre, one QB got rid of the ball when faced with similar kind of pressure and the other didn’t. Same difference between Manning and Rivers too.
A thing that has to be noticed that the Chargers offense was invested in hype, energy and play calling too much into what I call the jump ball offense. Routes sometimes take 4 seconds to develop, a luxury you are not going to have with a blitzing Jets or Ravens team. Take note of the fact that the Chargers lost at home earlier to the Ravens (whose D was coached by Rex Ryan till last year) and now to the Jets (also coached by Rex Ryan on D). Their offense just does not match up well with Rex Ryan Ds. It does not matter how tall your WRs are if your route does not have the time to develop. That is why it was surprising, for all the offensive genius reputation that Norv had, he did not adjust and call more slants to his wideouts and more checkdowns to Sproles & Gates.
Now, take a look at the Colts offense, a QB that gets rid of the ball most of the time within 3 seconds and routes that are more predicated on route running and being in a spot and Manning releases the ball in anticipation accurately most of the time. That is why Manning’s offenses match up better against Rex Ryan Ds than the Chargers. Manning’s record against Rex Ryan’s D speaks for itself.
Very true
This is exactly what I was saying before that Chargers – Jets game. Chargers throw it deep way too much. That is also why I thought a healthy Colts defense would also match up well with the Chargers because Freeney and Mathis are likely to get to Rivers before his 50 yard routes would materialize.
Manning will probably start slow against the Jets if the Jets start out real aggressive. It seemed like the Jets were more conservative, especially on 1st and 2nd downs against the Chargers and I think Manning would put up good numbers early if they take the same approach. Jets got more aggressive as the game went on since the Chargers were making so many mistakes and the score was still close. If the score isn’t close, that aggressiveness will backfire IMO.
Another thing to note is that Manning, although sometimes slow out of the gate against aggressive 3-4 blitzing schemes, will figure out the other team. It’s inevitable. And once he does, the train will start rolling. And when the train starts rolling, you can’t stop it.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
+1
But keep in mind that the Jets play a lot of press man coverage. Which is why it looked like Manning was missing throws the first time we played. His receiver’s routes were disrupted and timing was off. No doubt Manning will adjust, but Rex will too. But we know theres no answer for Manning when he’s hot and gets our blitzes locked up. If he can do that, we get blown out. If we can keep him confused and touch him up, we have a great chance to win. Part of keeping him confused is keeping the ball away by running effectively and limiting his looks at our defense. Can’t wait for this game.
Also, make sure your left tackle remembers to block Dwight Freeney...
He’s the guy with number 93 on his chest. The same guy who the Jets apparently forgot to block twice. That had to be the easiest 2 sacks in his life.
Might be a little harder this time too.
This other guy, Robert Mathis? he’s pretty good. He was out when we played the Jets last time. So don’t forget to block him either.
by WaynesWorld on Jan 19, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Make sure your guys play a whole game this time.
So when we beat you fair and square we don’t have to hear any crying. Other than from Colt fans of course.
Great Honesty by Brock
Raheem Brock, Indianapolis Colts
I hate Brady! I hate Tom Brady! But I really do respect him. I respect his game, he’s a tough QB. He’s just like Peyton, but no, I don’t like him! I don’t like the Patriots, none of us here like the Patriots. But you gotta give respect.
Uh...tell that to the 2007 Giants
Momentum can do a lot in some circumstances, like help you win a Super Bowl. Having a great defense (at the time) and a few no-calls by the refs, and a couple miracle pass completions off the helmet, and there you go, momentum swings things in your favor.

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