Freeney and Mathis Haven't been Sacking Very much
by suns_all_the_way on Jan 26, 2010 1:44 AM EST
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PrintIn the playoffs neither of them have had a sack. The last time either of them had a sack was in week 16 when the Jets didn't leave a person covering Dwight Freeney and he had a straight shot to Mark Sanchez. The last time before that was in week 14 in Denver when Mathis got a sack on Kyle Orton. Is it just me or have both of these guys not been getting sacks lately? They just haven't gotten to Sanchez this last week, and didn't really get to Flacco the week before. What do you guys think is up? Is it that both teams have been predominantly running, or have the opposing offensive coordinators come up with good gameplans to neutralize them? How do you think they'll fare against the Saints?
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this ^^^
Brees may not want to take too many 7 step drops. freeny and mathis will beat him to the spot
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing."
-Peyton Manning
I was thinking the exact
same thing. I’ve noticed that Brees usually does a 5 step dropback while most AFC qbs do 3 step (3) because they know how quick Freeney and Mathis are. You remember during overtime vs. the Vikings that a Viking defender was at his legs attmepting that pass that caused the bogus PI? Mathis or Freeney would’ve gotten a sack and a strip fumble if Brees does that against the Colts.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Voted 'other'
They haven’t registered a sack but they’ve been getting good pressure that affects the passing game, and that’s just as important.
^Agreed, plus
facing a lot of runs from competent run teams, game-planning by the other guys and all-pro linemen on the Jets, short drops. But we have been getting good pressure. All AFCCG I was watching them and ’Chez and kept yelling “we got him!” a sliver of a second before he released. Oh they got him alright and I am sure he still feels the hurt. Just not actual sacks.
I think sacks are a little more valuable than pressure because of the loss of yardage and fumble potential. Our pressure yielded one INT so far—probably won;t have that affect on Brees. But his tiny hands might just cough it up if sacked.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Shorter drops, fast passes.
Plus, Sanchez would have been sacked if not for the desperate heaves away.
still can't believe none of those were picked
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
still can't believe a few of those were caught!
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Hope Brees do some of those loooooong dropbacks over and over
I’ve noticed something that might be very useful for us: when Brees is in high pressure, he doesn’t stay on the pocket; he gets away from his linemans and goes backwards to throw the ball. Well, I’ve never seen Brees being sacked when he’s done that, but considering that our defense is one of the fastest on the league right now, maybe we can get a chance to pressure and automatically make them lose many yards
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
Voted other
I suspect their mission was tweaked against the two run-heavy teams to make sure the Ravens and Jets couldn’t dash to open field. Against the Saints, they may go back to focussing on the pass rush.
They are good soldiers
The evil genius Larry Coyer tells Brackett when to have them play run D. This results in fewer sacks but also keeps the run off balance. I have a feeling in the Superbowl some O-lineman will get to watch them have a Brees/Freeney/Mathis introduction. Who dat you say?
so is freeney healthy?
i heard on the radio this morning that that ankle injury he got late in the afc title game is semi serious?
go mavs, go colts, go rangers, go baylor
Polian said he expects him to be ready for the game.
However, he said Powers is another story.
That's not true;
they sacked Carthage just the other day.
by linkish on Jan 26, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Voted other
because the sacks statistic is way overrated. Sacks are fun to watch and can be game changers but they are simply a component of “pressure.” The biggest value that comes out of pressure is the effect it has on passes actually thrown. One or two sacks in a game is nice but the real benefit is in how many passes were incomplete or intercepted because the QB was hurried. That might be 10 or even 20 a game. Earlier this year Tom Brady said he feared Freeney the most in the league because of how little time he can count on when Freeney is rushing him. If a QB averages 6 ypp completion 10 extra incompletes implies 60 yards lost. That’s the big enchilada of pressure.
You, sir, are definitely right
And any other pancake is acceptable, but enchilada…
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
The problem...
…is that pressure doesn’t guarantee incompletions or sacks. Heck, Manning has as many TD’s as INT’s on plays where he is hit due to pass pressure. Just look at the 2007 Patriots. In the Week 17 game against the Giants, the Giants got excellent pressure, hitting Brady as he threw and giving him less time than he was used to; Brady still had a great game. In the Super Bowl, the Giants actually didn’t ‘pressure’ Brady more than they had in Week 17 (going by hits and rushed throws). The difference was that in Week 17, they only got 1 sack; in the Super Bowl, they got 5. Sacks 1) are more likely to end drives than incompletes, and 2) the chances of a QB fumbling are (IMO) as good or better as the chances of an INT. Also, 10 incompletions a game due to pressure? If a QB throws 30 passes a game and completes 60%, he throws 12 incompletions period. 10 incompletions seems like an overestimate.
Checking basic numbers about fumbling
Brees had in this season 10 fumbles, 6 lost. If my mind isn’t fooling me right now, one of those lost fumbles was against Cowboys, when they got their first lost of the season. Also, he’s been sacked 20 times this season, losing 135 total yds.
Manning had only 2 fumbles this season, none of them lost. Also, he’s been sacked only 10 times and lost 74 yds, what gives us a good perspective:
- Brees had some good protection from his linemen comparing sacks suffered by other QBs, like Manning’s little brother (with more than 30) and Aaron Rodgers (with 50). The problem is: he prefers to keep the ball and avoid the interception than throw the ball away to avoid a fumble. But he’s not a good protector when the ball is in his hands, and it gives us his 10 fumbles
- Luckily for us, Manning is the quickest releaser of the league. He’s not so skilled like Brady when he’s in the pocket, so this quick release is one of his major weapons. Anyway, he’s more likely of throwing an interception than Brees, but he’ll not fumble if he feels the pressure and automatically give to NO a better field position
That being said, I’ll just say a thing everybody already realised: he have to get Brees no matter what is on our way. He’s not such a quick releaser, and he’s kind of fumble prone. If he fumbled the ball half of the times a defensive player touched him, we’re in real advantage
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
To avoid sacks
He’s not so fast like Brady… Analising some games when Brady just fled from the blitz when his pocket dismounted
Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do
Another reason
The Colts have played QBs that are doing everything to avoid getting the ball out of their hands before Freeney or Mathis could debacle them. Freeney had 3 QB pressures on Sunday and Mathis had 4. Mathis hit him twice. That’s really good on 30 dropbacks.
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A combination of things...
but I’ve a good feeling about Rock and Hard Place (if healthy) against the Saints’ oline. A little bit like the Arizona game actually.
It's clever.
I like clever.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is how the Mario games should have ended.
almost
the entire offensive line of the jets were in the pro bowl.. lol
We've been playing
run-first teams. Even when sacks aren’t recorded prssure from Colts pass rushers is still felt in the form of knockdowns, incomplete passes, batted balls, etc…
Jets and Baltimore are run first teams
The Jets and Baltimore are more run-first teams because neither was relying heavily on the quarterback with Flacco doing horrible against the Patriots and the Jets relying on a rookie. So to counter-balance those deficiencies, they mainly ran the ball. On the other hand, you don’t really see the Colts blitzing all that much lately to give Freeney and Mathis single coverage and a better chance to sack the quarterback.
I also don’t think the Colts secondary is doing as good of a job as it should. The trick play and several of the plays by Sanchez, the Colts secondary didn’t play tight enough zone coverage to stop the pass. The secondary has to play the receivers tight enough for long enough so that Freeney and Mathis can get to the quarterback. If the quarterback has no one open to throw it to, he has to hold the ball longer. The longer he holds onto the ball, the higher the chance is that Freeney or Mathis will get him. Kelvin Hayden has especially disappointed me lately. He is not covering his guy like he should. Last year he was probably the best player on the Colts defense. This year he’s blowing his coverage and he’s keeping his eyes on the defender and not on where the ball is going. That is very bad.
by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Jan 28, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
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