Jason Cole still doesn't watch football games, continues to write incorrect nonsense about Peyton Manning and the Colts
As you know, Jason Cole works for Yahoo! Sports. Throughout most of the season, Jason Cole has continuously written ignorant statement after ignorant statement about the game of football even though the bigwigs at Yahoo! Sports pay Cole a lot of money not to be ignorant about the game of football. Yet, if you read Cole's Monday article about the Colts, it just seems more and more obvious that the guy is stealing money from Yahoo!, and that he knows next to nothing about the subject he is employed to cover:
If Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has an Achilles’ heel, it’s the 3-4 defense. He doesn’t like all the disguises that go with the blitzes, even though Manning is historically really good against the blitz.
Cole said this exact same thing earlier in the season. Of course, we bashed him for it, because he is paid to know better. However, instead of getting the hint, Jason just continues to utter the same mindless trash. I guess he must feel that if he says it enough, or writes it enough, that it will become fact.
However, just like when he uttered this nonsense almost two months ago, we shall once again expose Jason Cole for the ignorant analyst the he is by updating the numbers.
Indy's record against 3-4 defenses the last two seasons is 11-1, with wins over the Patriots (twice), Ravens (twice), Steelers (in Pittsburgh), Broncos, and Chargers (in San Diego). Their one loss against a 3-4 team in two years was in overtime against the Chargers in the playoffs, which saw Peyton Manning throw for 310 yards, 1 TD, and no turnovers. I am not counting the recent loss to the Jets even though they run a 3-4. Peyton Manning was dissecting that team before he was pulled in the third quarter, which was when the Colts held a 15-10 lead.
In 12 games against teams that run a 3-4, Peyton Manning has thrown for 3,360 yards, 26 touchdowns, and 11 INTs.
If Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, or Drew Brees had those kinds of numbers against 3-4 defenses, I kind of doubt he'd be writing that such a scheme was their "Achilles heel."
Dear Yahoo! Sports Editors, do a better job fact-checking Jason Cole's idiot ramblings before you pass them off as analysis from a supposed "expert." Making this kind of mistake the first time around was silly. Doing it a second time is treating us readers as if we are idiots and don't fact check the stats. If he does it a third time, it tells me that not only does Jason Cole not watch football games, but his editors do not read what he writes nor do they care if the facts back up his statements.
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First nitpick
The word is “bigwig”. They aren’t corpulent members of a defunct British political party, they are officials of overinflated importance.
hey BBS if your going to give us these things can you also give us some that are related to this upcoming playoffs
or the awards that are being voted on today and announced tomorrow??
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Ugh, I hate it when the media
continues to talk about Peyton “struggling” against 3-4 defenses. A record of 11-1 proves that he no longer has a problem with them. I wish I could find a job that pays six figures where I can throw out incorrect facts without getting in trouble with my bosses.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
i know it doesn't make any sense him saying manning struggles againt 3-4 defenses
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 4, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
You missed a little point
“Their one loss against a 3-4 team in two years was in overtime against the Chargers in the playoffs, which saw Peyton Manning throw for 310 yards, 1 TD, and no turnovers.”
…. and no opportunity to return to the field in OT.
How can you not love a team that does this?
It seems like piling-on to point that out, or the fact that
The refs flagged the least penalized team in the league for FOUR penalties on the single OT drive of the Chargers. Manning should have somehow kept that from happening (and kept Marcus McNeill from grabbing Freeney’s facemask all night), by either harpooning Ron Winters from the sideline during a TV timeout, or using his telekinetic powers to change the coin flip, and causing a fan’s javelin to split RW’s head open.
Maybe this is more of a Bob issue to work out with a priest or therapist rather than a shortcoming of Manning’s. Oh wait, it’s his shortcoming because he hasn’t healed my of my obsessive bitterness and homicidal rage. Whew, it’s all Manning’s fault. Glad I worked that out. Too much trouble finding somoene else to blame.
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by Bobman on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the exact same thing when I read that article this morning.
But I have to say, this made me laugh
“Jason just continues to utter the same mindless trash. I guess he must feel that if he says it enough, or writes it enough, that it will become fact.”
Because that’s exactly how I’ve felt about BBS over the last while, repeatedly pushing his opinions on everyone here and calling people who disagree idiots or d-bags that know nothing about football and should be dismissed.
by yellowsnow on Jan 4, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
so...
BBS writes an article about something other than ass-gate, and you continue to bring it up.
Congrats on beating the dead horse on your own.
How hypocritical, you spam every article on the subject with ‘move on, let it go, hahaha rec’d!’, and then you, yourself do not move on or let it go.
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lol
thanks for pointing me out spazmo. but i wasn’t referring to the that topic. i was referring to his opinion pieces on how peyton is mvp, etc. i don’t recall bbs mentioning that anyone who disagrees with him about “the decision” was an idiot that knew nothing about football and should be dismissed.
i didn’t realize i was a spammer… maybe that’s why i’ve posted less than 1k times in 3 years of being on the site..
BBS at least addresses and defends his points where he makes them.
I don’t see Mr. Cole making any such overture. Furthermore, it’s unclear to me that BBS shouldn’t be “pushing his opinion on everyone here”, given that he’s the head writer on this blog, consisting more of opinion than journalism.
I don’t personally have any problem with BBS being strongly opinionated as long as he’s willing to take intelligent argument seriously. Thus far, I haven’t found him unwilling to do so.
Well, there’s a couple issues with the 3-4 problem.
1) The best defensive teams in football tend to run 3-4 defenses.
2) The perception is that Manning isn’t that good against 3-4 defenses, due to his playoff struggles against Pittsburgh, San Diego, and New England (which are usually less a case of Manning playing poorly, and more some external variable), who have combined to exit the Colts from the playoffs for the last 5 consecutive exits.
3) Obviously, with an 11-1 recent record, it’s not true.
Manning’s playoff struggles are well documented, but ill defined. It’s easy to point to the Colts losing to “inferior” teams, but generally hard to pinpoint why. This is where most journalists struggle; they lack the depth of knowledge of the Colts, and football in general, to say things like “Manning’s offensive line might as well not even block.” or “The Colts are getting zero pressure without Dwight Freeney” or “Wow, Scifres is absolutely destroying the Colts with these punts”, and so on and so forth.
Long story short, there’s no great story in random events. It’s easier to make one up that fits most of the facts and run with it.
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I dont think its every been *Manning* struggling with the 3-4
regardless. To me, the issue has been the OLs inability to pick up various blitzes from the 3-4. Its hard, as QB, to read/adjust to defenses when you’re running for your life.
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change HAS to HAD
It’s true – when the 3-4 started to come back into vogue, when really the only people running it were Belichick/Crennel and Lebeau, it was tough to prepare for. And those good teams with good defenses that happened to be 3-4 gave the Colts problems. Though in the Patriots case I think it had far less to do with the positions of the guys in the front 7 as with the general strategy of not having anyone ever actually lining up in those positions and confusing the shit out of a younger Manning.
They haven’t had protection problems of any kind, other than execution breakdowns, since 2005. That’s 4 full seasons ago. The Steelers confused (partly) and outperformed (mostly) the OL and Manning. After that game, I definitely uttered the words “I think they have a bit of trouble with clever 3-4 teams.” Of course, I’m not a moron, so I recognized quickly that there was more to it and noticed that they actually solved it. Morons, however, keep saying the same things they said in 2005. Manning can’t win in the playoffs, the Colts are a finesse team, they can’t stop the run, the 3-4 is way better, etc.
Since 2005, the 3-4 has caught on in many more places. Coaches love it because you get to be creative and change things up and blitz without blitzing (zone blitzes, etc, variety in which 4 you send) and they think it makes them look smarter. Some teams were good and beat the Colts while running the 3-4. Others were not and got destroyed. It has very little to do with it being a 3-4. And being a 3-4 does not automatically make a defense any more stout against the run or able to rush the passer. It’s entirely about the personnel.
And if the 3-4 was truly so effective against the Colts, I really doubt we’d see the Patriots employing 4-3 and other looks so frequently when they play them. If it’s the 3-4 that messes them up, wouldn’t they spend most of their time in that defense?
i agree, for the most part, however
3-4 defenses, by defintion, should be somewhat easier to run on because of less overall beef on the DL. The Colts still struggle to deal with the DT (except for the 2006 playoffs), and even when they handle the front 3, our OL rarely gets to the second level to get many decent runs. Better this year, somewhat, when they just focus on going up the middle, but you can see vs 3-4 or 4-3 that our Ts and Gs aren’t nearly as athletic as in the past.
With regards to the patriots playing more 4-3 than 3-4, I wrote about this earlier with my ‘love note to Peyton Manning’, where I basically said most teams have stopped disguising, now its just ‘drop 7 or 8 into coverage and hope the DL gets to him before he kills us’.
Would still be lovely to be able to run the ball, though.
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depending on the LBs...
the 3-4 can actually be much harder to run on.
I suppose it depends on the nose as much as anyone else though. A good nose can end up occupying multiple blockers due to his sheer fatness. With a few notable exceptions, a good nose can eat our interior line for lunch, which is why we don’t see any advantage to those three matchups. Our O Line isn’t a very strong one. They’re better when moving side to side… which makes me wonder how things might evolve going forward as Manning ages (we’re already seeing way less stretch running) and Mudd retires. They’re due for some more tackles in these next drafts so I wonder if they might make some changes to the run game. Especially if they let Addai go.
thats the thing though
Back when we had The Real Ryan Diem, Tarik Glenn, Ryan Lilja, Jake Scott, and Jeff Saturday, they WERE more better at moving side to side, as opposed to road graders. Now they are sort of neither. Tarik Glenn was no tap dancer, but Charlie Johnson has even less mobility. Tony Ugoh would be the ideal LT for the Colts, if he could get his head out of his ass on pass blocking. They seriously need 2 completely new OL (both tackles, and then Chuck moves to RG, or a RG and a LT and Chuck moves to RT), plus, Jeff Saturday isn’t going to get younger, and while he’s quietly having one of his better seasons, he’s clearly starting to have trouble with stronger DTs.
We see this in the running game, where the RBs/OL are clearly better at just going in a straight line as quickly as possible, but we keep trying to force the stretch.
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Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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And three of those playoff losses were to the eventual SB winner with a top D
They could have been running my son’s peewee 10-1 D alignment and they’d have beaten us (not that we were bad, but they were at the tops of their games).
Then the headlines would of course say “Manning hasn’t beaten a 10-1 D since grammar school” or “Grade-school D is Manning’s achilles heel.”
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At the end of Coles article he picks the Chargers to win.
I’m glad, because he’s usually wrong about everything.
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It's not PEYTON that has trouble with the 3-4
but his O-line always seems to struggle to run against one, which makes Peyton’s job harder. Of course, he carves them up like he does all defenses, but he gets less help from other phases in the game. I think this twists the perception of his performance.
Shaun Phillips is out for the chargers. I’m not sure I’ve ever thanked god for an injury (merriman and brady don’t count) but I gave him a high-five for that one. I know this is not a good thing to say, but if you can’t be honest about the Colts, then what can you be honest about?
Manning
Would have 4200 yards and 32 or 33 TDs against a full schedule of 3-4 defenses while the Colts go 14-2 or 15-1.
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One thing thats NOT being mentioned but is vital
is that defense isnt the only thing that wins games.
A 3-4 defense is going to pay a lot of money to their NT, in general (they are unique, and hard to find a 2-gap fatass that can be athletic enough to play the NT in a 3-4). They are going to pay good money for safeties and cornerbacks. You’re going to be playing a lot of man or a lot of zones in zone blitzes, either way, in a 3-4, there’s more of a premium for CBs than in, say, a tampa 2 where you’re basically looking at the QB the whole time. And finally, the 3-4 team is going to spend a lot of money on their LBers, they want LBers that can do it all: rush the passer, tackle the running back, and do some covering. They save money on DEs, because its not the DE job to rush the passer in a 3-4, but, in general, thats what they are spending money on.
So what will a 3-4 team thrive on on offense? Well, if you’re paying your defense a lot, what can you do well for cheap on offense? Run the ball. RBs seem to be a dime a dozen, you don’t need to use a first round draft pick to find one that can run. OL can be found in a lot of places. You need a QB, obviously. But you’re saving money on receivers. Blocking tight ends are cheaper than, say, Dallas Clark or Antonio Gates, so you’re saving money there (although not too much).
So back in 03 and 04 and 05 when the Colts had problem with 3-4 teams on offense, their defense also had problem with the one thing 3-4 teams usually do well on the other side of the ball: run.
It was a perfect storm of harder-than-normal to deal with defense vs piercing weapon to your light armor offense.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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jason cole's keyword: IF he has an achilles' heel
when peyton plays bad (especially in the playoffs) it’s against the 3-4. So IFFF (and thats a big if) peyton has an achilles’ heel, what else would it be?

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