Texans linebacker Brian Cushing named Defensive Rookie of the Year
I personally think Bills safety Jairus Byrd should have won it, but with him landing on IR, and Cushing playing out the entire season, I can see why many would go with Cushing. The award is for 16 games played, not 11. So, congrats to Brian Cushing and the Texans, who just celebrated their first winning season in franchise history.
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I too...
think that Byrd should have won…Cushing is a stud though!!
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Byrd
had all but 1 of his 9 INTs in a five game stretch, of which his team won 2 games, and didn’t do much of anything in the other games. Three straight 2 INT games does not equal ROY over consistent dominant performance.
I don't disagree...
but the key thing about your post is the number 9…that is a hell of a year regardless of how you got the interceptions.
Also, ROY has nothing to do with how your team performs…It is an individual award…it is not like Cushing let the Texans to the playoffs or anything.
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What?
That’s an asinine argument. If we carry it to its logical conclusion, a guy could have 9 INTS in one game, do nothing else for the rest of the year, and “that is a hell of a year.” Uh, no.
ROY certainly has something to do with how your team performs or else James Laurinaitis would have gotten serious consideration. But mentioning the wins/losses in the INT games wasn’t to say that he shouldn’t have gotten it because the Bills sucked; it was to point out that, even when he was having his string of games with multiple INTs, those were not translating into wins. That’s as contrasted with Cushing, whose play was a big factor in wins in games like Oakland, Cinci, Buffalo, Miami, and New England.
by JusticeLeague on Jan 6, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Give me a break...
Cushings team did not even make the playoffs…barely a .500 team. ROY has nothing to do with wins and losses for the team…your argument is asinine!! ROY is an individual award…lets do a little research here..
2000 defensive rookie of the year Urlacher: Team record 5-11
2001 defensive rookie of the year Bell: Team record 13-3
2002 defensive rookie of the year Peppers: Team record 7-9
2003 defensive rookie of the year Suggs: Team record 10-6
2004 defensive rookie of the year Vilma: Team record 10-6
2005 defensive rookie of the year Merriman: Team record 9-7
2006 defensive rookie of the year Ryans: Team record 6-10
2007 defensive rookie of the year Willis: Team record 7-9
OK…so this is getting old…by looking at the above stats…record does not seem to be that big a deal.
And lets address you statement “carry it to its logical conclusion”….if logic to you is a player having 9 interceptions in one game you are an ass hat!!
And if 9 interceptions in a season is no big deal to you…who is the last Colts player to do so??
He is tied with Sharper, Samuel, and Woodson on the season…how can you say he didn’t have a great season…which is what you are saying.
I never said Cushing was not deserving…but hey…who really cares.
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I'm just going to assume
that you’re intentionally being obtuse here.
Cushings team did not even make the playoffs…barely a .500 team.
Point to where I said making the playoffs mattered. And “barely a .500 team” glosses over the fact that they had a winning record, but nice try. Besides, I never said the team had to have a winning record; I said “ROY certainly has something to do with how your team performs” and, because you missed it the first time, explained that wins that come in the rookie’s “big” games matter. See above for the list of specific examples.
As to your “research,” seriously?
2000 defensive rookie of the year Urlacher: Team record 5-11
2001 defensive rookie of the year Bell: Team record 13-3
2002 defensive rookie of the year Peppers: Team record 7-9
2003 defensive rookie of the year Suggs: Team record 10-6
2004 defensive rookie of the year Vilma: Team record 10-6
2005 defensive rookie of the year Merriman: Team record 9-7
2006 defensive rookie of the year Ryans: Team record 6-10
2007 defensive rookie of the year Willis: Team record 7-9
2008 defensive rookie of the year Mayo: Team record 11-5
2009 defensive rookie of the year Cushing: Team record 9-7
So, in the last ten years, 6 of the 10 have gone to players on winning teams and two more two teams that were 7-9 (i.e. pretty darn close to .500). Now, nevermind the fact that I didn’t say anything about a player having to be on a team that was above .500, that’s still 80% of the winners on teams that were 7-9 or better. With Ryans, you have a rookie notch over 150 tackles on a team that goes from 2-14 to 6-10, that, again, is wins factoring into the award (Ryans averaged almost 9 tackles/game in the team’s 6 wins and added 1.5 sacks in those games as well). Urlacher is about the only person on that list that you can say wins played very little (if any) role in the decision. He had 120+ tackles, 8 sacks, 2 INTs, and was playing one of the storied positions (Bears MLB) in NFL history. Most importantly, though, there wasn’t another D rookie that had numbers even remotely close to that.
And lets address you statement "carry it to its logical conclusion"….if logic to you is a player having 9 interceptions in one game you are an ass hat!!
Way to completely ignore your own logical fallacy! Nicely done. Logical conclusion is the relation between a set of propositions and another proposition where the former entails the latter. In this case, the propositions are: (1) nine interception is “a hell of a year,” and (2) the distribution of the nine over the schedule does not matter. The other proposition is (3) even if all the INTs came in one game, the player had a great season.
Now pay attention because I’m getting bored: For your original argument to be logically valid, the third proposition has to be true, regardless of the likelihood of 9 INTs in one game. If you are saying that, no, a 9 INT season is not a great year if they all came in one game, then your original argument fails. If you are saying that it would still be a great season, then your original argument flies in the face of what 99.999% of football fans would consider a great year. Whether or not it is likely that a player could get 9 in a game is irrelevant to the discussion and, more importantly, being unlikely does not make the statement illogical on its face.
who is the last Colts player to do so??
Irrelevant.
He is tied with Sharper, Samuel, and Woodson on the season…how can you say he didn’t have a great season…which is what you are saying.
You do know how reading works, right? Left-to-right, top-to-bottom. At NO POINT in this have I said he didn’t have a great season. I said that your argument for what constitutes a great season is flawed (which I just proved to you) and that all but one of Byrd’s INTs came over a span of five games while Cushing had a consistent impact for 16 games, and (impliedly) that sustained high-level performance is better than a short burst of high-level performance.
I’m not sure how all of this can be confusing, but if you have questions about how logic and reasoning (or even commas and ellipses) work, feel free to ask.
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by JusticeLeague on Jan 6, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
here is the list of teams we play this next year:
Colts 2010 foes: home, Houston, Jax, Tenn., K.C., S.D., Cincy, Dallas, NYG; away, Houston, Jax, Tenn., Denver, Oak., NE, Philly, Wash.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Ugh, that is brutal
Here’s hoping our scheduling is favorable and we don’t play at NE and Philly anytime close to each other. Along with that, I’m fairly sick of the NE/SD games one right after the other the last few years. Here’s hoping those get spaced out as well, but not likely.
we wont play them right next to each other because they are both away games i think
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego
is a home game while New England is in Foxboro. Playing the NFC East and AFC West isn’t so bad considering there are games against KC, Washington, Denver, & Oakland.
yep i say strength of schedule will be in the middle somwhere
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
tough schedule
let’s see how our team will deal with those teams. and gosh, we’ve got the easiest games at home! games at NE and Philladelphia will always have a risk of losing… and snowball shooting, depending on the time of the year we’ll get them
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If the Colts win the Super Bowl
Who starts out opening the year? Chargers? If the Colts beat Dallas in the Super Bowl it would obviously be that matchup.
Not the toughest schedule ever, but they still have to go up against Philly, San Diego, New England, and Dallas.
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might want another Manning Bowl to open the season.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The Colts lost. The world moved on (I think).
Cushing>>>Byrd
Cushing should be All-Pro. He’s amazing.
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