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Why more coaches are not getting fired

As many of you are no doubt noticing, not as many bad coaches are getting fired despite their teams having disappointing seasons.

  • Even though the Texans just celebrated their first winning season in franchise history, they missed the playoffs yet again. Four years under the current regime; fours years of sitting at home in January. So, why is Gary Kubiak still employed?
  • Jack Del Rio continues to innovate the art of losing big and collapsing down the stretch. Yet, reports indicate that Wayne Weaver is not firing the Jackster, even though his team choked away a playoff birth by losing four straight to close out the 2009 campaign. 
  • Raheem Morris bumbled his way through a horrible rookie coaching tenure with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this season. He fired his offensive coordinator during pre-season. Then, during the season, he fired his defensive coordinator, took over coaching the defense himself because he was too bored just being a head coach, and re-installed the Tampa-2 style of defense he had junked earlier. Seriously, how does incompetence on that scale not get you fired?
  • Todd Haley seemed to make enemies everywhere within the Kansas City Chiefs whenever he opened his fat yap. The rumor was he and Scott Pioli barely spoke to one another during the season. After trading for Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel (and drafting Tyson Jackson with the #3 pick), the Chiefs managed to win only 4 games. Oh, and Haley is supposed to be an offensive expert. He even fired his offesnive coordinator during pre-season and took over the job himself. The 2009 Chiefs ranked 25th in the league, averaging 18 ppg.
  • Josh McDaniels did the exact same thing his predecessor did (start fast only to fold up like a tent down the stretch and miss the playoffs). Only this time, McDaniels seems to have survived the chopping block whereas Mike Shanahan last year did not.
  • After a playoff appearance last season, both John Fox's Panthers and Jeff Fisher's Titans all regressed even though both were expected to compete for a Super Bowl in 2009.
  • Despite trading for Jay Cutler, the Bears and Lovie Smith suffered through a losing season riddled with interceptions, bad defense, and poor offensive line play.

Yet, despite all this coaching incompetence, there doesn't seem to be any accountability. Only the Jim "Dead Man Walking" Zorn and Bills interim head coach Perry Fewell have been sent to the unemployment line.

Factor in that strong, proven coaching candidates like Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, and Brian Billick are just sitting out there, and the reasons why there haven't been more firing grow even more odd. I mean, forget that great assistants like Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera, and Sean McDermott are looooooooong overdue for head coaching jobs. Cowher, Gruden, and Billick have all won rings, yet remain unemployed while fools like Morris, Haley, and McDaniels are inventing new ways to lose while collecting millions.

Now, I understand that coaches like Haley and Morris were working with bad teams. My issue with them is not necessarily the fact that they lost; it's that there seem to be a regression with the team from the previous regime. Jim Schwartz of the Lions had to work with a really bad team, but at least there was improvement: They actually won some games this year, and before he got hurt Matthew Stafford was developing very nicely.

So, why aren't owners dumping the obvious trash they have coaching their teams and replacing them with people who are either genuinely proven winners or show the potential to be winners?

The answer: Money.

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No one knows what the NFL is going to be after this season. Currently, 2010 has no salary cap. After 2010, there is... well, nothing. And nothing means that if things progress as they are, 2011 will have a work stoppage. With genetic slugs like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder pushing hard for an end to revenue sharing, the reality is that the days of small market teams competing with large market teams are fading.

The Wellington Maras of the "share the wealth" age are dead. Replacing them are the greed-minded morons like Jones, who view revenue sharing as an obstacle to them buying a winning team, ala the Steinbrenners in New York with the Yankees.

This means that small market clubs like Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, and Kansas City have little incentive to pay big money to a big time coach who will help them win. And when fans see that the club is less interested in winning and more interested in pinching pennies, fans do not show up to ball games. Just ask Jaguars fans. We like to bash and berate them for not showing up to games, but I understand where they are going from. The Jaguars were a bad team this year, just like they were last year. Their coach is an idiot and their owner is clearly looking to sell. In the middle of a crippling recession, why would any family pay to watch that team?

Bash them all you want, but residents in Jacksonville are not dumb. They know a turd when they smell it.

Seriously, when owners tell us fans that "All I want to do is win," I think we can all agree that they are feeding us a load of elephant dung. Owners want to make money, and they do so by conning fans into believing they want to win. The trick for us is to know when we are being conned.

I firmly believe owners like Jim Irsay, Dan Rooney, The Mara Family, and the residents of Green Bay (who own a stake in their team) all have a desire to win the right way. They believe in revenue sharing and they believe that the reason the NFL has dominated professional sports for ten years is because the notion of "Any Given Sunday" is proven. In baseball and basketball, the same teams every year battle it out. Most of these teams are large market teams centered on the east and west coasts, leaving the center of the country to cling to amateur sports and racing.

The NFL cut through all that.

Now, with an uncertain future and owners more interested in cutting costs than winning, the people left out in the cold are fans. And when you see proven winners like Bill Cowher still sitting out there while idiots like Jack Del Rio remain employed, the message to fans is load and clear.

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Great post.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post because it gave a very bold reason as to why more of these idiot coaches have yet to be fired, money. I found most interesting an article I read over at Sports Illustrated today about how Wade Phillips may still get fired despite leading the Cowboys to the playoffs, well that is if they lose for the 5th time in a row. Good coaches are hard to come by apparently or else the owners are just too stupid to find one. Great article, BBS.

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Scary but true; enjoy this season while it lasts because who knows what the future holds for the NFL.

by MadStork on Jan 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Remember what it did to the MLB

It was downright spooky seeing a baseball game taking place in the middle of an abandoned stadium. I wonder how many millions were lost.

by Naptime! on Jan 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be like Borat

coming back from Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

by FineClub on Jan 5, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

awful for everyone involved

I would cry and we would be perpetually talking about Mocking the Draft for a whole year – ugh!

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 5, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what are they going to do with this one-year bye?

check how many millions they earned with fines, tv rights and this non-cap season?

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

?? whats your point

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, why are they going to stop the league for a year?

it’s not likely of anyone to lose millions, maybe a billion dollars stopping something like a company or the league

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it will happen cause of all the "wars wedged" in the NFL right now. the biggest is the players union. also

the owners and and godell. trust me i dont want this to happen

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

neither do i

but they asked for it

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 5, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There Will Be Blood (I Think)

If Wade Phillips’ Cowboys lose their opener against their rival Eagles in a rematch of last week, you could see Jerry Jones bring the hammer down on the Head Coach. Some think he saved his job with the Divisional Title, but the 1996 talk is starting to get under Jones’ skin. Jason Garrett didn’t exactly boost his stock with some of the Cowboy’s offensive woes at times throughout the season and the inability of Roy Williams to get involved.

Jack Del Rio might be in limbo. If the Jags are indeed up for sale or end up moving, they’d likely make a major overhaul starting with Del Rio.

A little surprised the Bears were so loyal to Lovie. There are some (mis) management issues throughout that team and the Shanahan / Cutler reunion seemed interesting until Dan Snyder actually did something right and swooped in first.

The Wild Cards are Bill Cowher and Brian Billick, they will end up somewhere and might entice an owner into landing one of them.

by XLI on Jan 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fox and Fischer still have jobs because they ended hot

Panthers won 4 of their last 5 Titans won 8 of their last 10, with both losses being to the top 2 AFC seeds.

While it shouldn’t, the recent games naturally get weighed heavier in the GM/Owners’ minds.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

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by shake n bake on Jan 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

also kubiak did improve the team and the defense and offense were better this year so i am not suprised that he is not being fired.

now if he doesn’t make it to the playoffs this next year i could see him not getting a new contract.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

did you mean "fisher"?

kubiak have done a good job this year. they’re maintening him not only for the money (i trully believe Houston’s got lots of money), but because the team is already used to his line of work. even if it has been a losing line of work and a losing career, something says to me that they’re end up getting a playoff berth next year

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hi tr00ly

asked you in another thread but can’t find it now… are you the one in Brazil? If so, where? (I lived in Rio for 18 months and commuted to Sao Paulo most weeks during that time – a Carioca with a Paulista accent!)

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 5, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh hi

yes, i’m the one who lives in Brazil and i was born and raised in Rio. hell, São Paulo? compared to Rio, this place is awful… Maybe I’ll understand you if you managed to get there for job or study reasons

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Jan 5, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

job

we actually had to negotiate to live in Rio… they originally wanted us to live in Sao Paulo – uck!

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 5, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches don’t count against the salary cap. It’s worth noting that Cowher was with the Steelers for 14 years before he won a Super Bowl. Maybe owners are starting to wise up to the fact that you can’t build a winning franchise by giving a Super Bowl winning coach players that don’t fit his system, and expect him to turn a crap sandwich into a diamond necklace. For that matter, maybe they’re figuring out that having a coach who has won a Super Bowl does virtually nothing to advance his current team to the Super Bowl.

Let’s take a look at the model of terrible team management: Oakland. The Raiders are so bad, Lions fans feel bad for them. At least the Lions have hope. The Raiders just have Crazy Al Davis. Crazy Al, although once a visionary, has now had the game pass him by to the point that it’s embarrassing to the league to watch him draft and run his team. Bad drafting and horrible personnel moves have put the Raiders years away from respectability. If Crazy Al Davis hired a GM and a head coach today, it’d take three to four years for them to get rid of enough dead weight to have them competing for a playoff spot. Beyond that, it’d probably take another year or two for them to be Super Bowl caliber. And even if you have a Super Bowl caliber roster, there’s still no guarantee you win the Super Bowl.

Are any of these guys “good” coaches? Probably not. But they’re probably better than the alternative of starting over. It’s the constant turnover of coaching staffs and poor personnel decisions that cause franchises to fall into the toilet. Fix those, and it’ll truly be Any Given Sunday.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Jan 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is a perfect reply!!

Too many times teams switch coaches on a whim…there is no continuity. The GM, owner, and coach are intertwined and should be…more GMs should be canned…not coaches. Isn’t that what the Colts always preach…even the Steelers…team continuity. No major changes.

Talking about firing a coach after a single season (Morris in TB) is crazy. He is not Jesus!!

To me bad management is changing coaches every time you don’t make the playoffs.

Great reply MonkeyBusiness!!

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by TRDean on Jan 6, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Business

Here’s the message: don’t hire unproven talent on multi-year guaranteed contracts. Try the Mike Singletary plan.

by indymike on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Surprised you listed Gruden as a strong, proven candidate

I seem to recall you thinking he sucked.
Either way, interesting read. I hope they get it figured out.

by yellowsnow on Jan 5, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Now here's a guy who's a decent coach, regardless of his haircut."

That was Gruden on MNF, talking about himself. Oh, and then he gave himself a nickname like, “Dwight Schrute w/a Visor”

by Naptime! on Jan 5, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same reaction when i read that

I seem to always remember BBS calling out gruden as a hack, who won a super bowl only because of the players and scheme he inherited from Dungy.

But what do I know!

by jochexum on Jan 5, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gruden

I personally think he is over-rated, but the guy did get both Oakland and TB in the playoffs.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jan 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Report out that the Steelers will fire

OC Bruce Arians – interesting when you consider that the Steelers had one of the top passing attacks in the league and that most of their losses against bad teams were due to the defense slacking at the end of the game!

by NYKings on Jan 5, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Love For Lovie

As a Colts fan living in the middle of Bears country, I can tell ya’ that I’m not shocked that Lovie Smith retained his job. The Bears ownership, the McCaskey family, are notorious for not eating contract money in regards to their coaches. And for whatever reason, there is still a 3-year long love hangover towards Smith when it comes to their last Super Bowl appearance (where they lost to the good guys). Granted, there are Bears fans screaming for Smith’s head but the firing of offensive coordinator Ron Turner is going to be the bone that’s thrown their way.

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by tobihope on Jan 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Da Bears?!?

Not shocked either because of the loss of Urlacher, injuries, Cutler’s 1st year, and the fact that they have no #1 or really even #2 WRs. Knox & Aromashodu are Slots or #3s, Hester should be returning Kicks and is also a #3. They could reunite Cutler and Marshall if they can load his contract properly and include strong conduct clauses. If Marshall and TO are available, it might work in Chicago. If you can put up with Cutler’s sour mood, you can put up with the ego of a TO/Marshall. Plus they need some O-Line help badly. Give Lovie another year. That might also be an intriguing job for Cowher to consider.

by XLI on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s interesting to see how many people who don’t follow baseball naive about what really goes on behind the scenes with the ownership of the small market clubs. If people looked into the situation more I guarantee you you’d respect the Yankees more than you’d hate them for what they do.

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by KingRichard on Jan 5, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Give me $225 Million dollars and a Payroll the size of 5 teams combined though and I too could assemble a winner. You can’t argue with what, 27 Championships, and a pile of money that would make Scrooge McDuck wet himself (Eandom Reference Alert!).

I admire their history and tradition, but the Evil Empire label was earned not applied. The Baseball Payroll Structure is one of the main reasons the NFL should use AGAINST jumping into Uncapped Seasons.

What the Marlins did TWICE is something I absolutely respect. Those were 2 great stories, in a non-Baseball City against all odds and up against Goliaths and they took them down.

by XLI on Jan 5, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s supposed to say “Random Reference Alert”

by XLI on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It took the Yanks

nearly a decade of having a payroll much higher than just about any other club before they finally won a WS championship in that manner. They started going crazy with the spending around 2001 or 2002 and it wasn’t until 2009 before they won the WS with that ridiculous payroll.

There were 8 different teams who won the WS during the last decade with NYY (2000 and 2009) and BOS (2004 and 2007) as the only ones to win more than one. There were 7 different teams to win the SB with the Patriots and Steelers as the repeaters.

The Yanks and Red Sox are the only teams who spend lots of money and actually do better than everyone else during the regular season with any consistency. Both Los Angeles teams are hit and miss whether they’ll be good despite the payrolls being in the upper quarter.

Fact is, there’s probably slightly more parity in baseball, and the biggest reason for that was the institution of revenue sharing. The payroll structure of baseball allows for teams to have such a disparity and still compete very well. Without revenue sharing, it’d be much much different.

NFL w/o revenue sharing would be disastrous and we can only hope it doesn’t happen. Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder would for sure buy every single big name, because they’re just that greedy.

by The Walking Eye on Jan 5, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well thats not totally true of the angels at least not the last 5 years for sure they have been very consistant.,

i dont think there is more parity in baseball though id say basketball has the most parity

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What the Marlins did TWICE

was assemble a good team that won and then immediately hold a fire sale to chop their payroll down to the lowest in the league while they collected revenue sharing money and cried poverty until they finally got a new stadium started.

It wasn’t quite as bad in 03, but go look at the 1997 Marlins payroll.

I’d be willing to bet that you’d be making much worse decisions with that 225 million than Cashman is. Say what you want about the Steinbrenners, but Cashman is solid. He’d succeed with a payroll 1/4 the size.

Plus, as Colts fans we should all be Yankee fans – they’re the arch enemy of the same team that moron Pats fans back. It only makes sense.

by willyduer on Jan 5, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

kinda see where you're coming from

I think Tampa flirting with the salary floor during back to back losing seasons is pathetic and bad for the game. If you check back to the Philly.com article I linked the Bucs took in more profit than most teams last year, so there’s no excuse for that.

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by shake n bake on Jan 5, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s part of it yeah.

The issue with the current salary situation is baseball’s problem, not the Yankees. Yeah you can piss and moan about how they “buy up all the talent,” and it does make it pretty lame to see that happening all the time, but they aren’t doing anything wrong (that we know of). I hate it just as much as the next guy, but if they are buying people off and winning championships and it’s all legit, then what is there really to bitch about?

My problem with baseball is how they seem to think revenue sharing is an equal opportunity mechanism and how greedy owners abuse this to make a quick buck. There are small market teams running off of higher profit margins than teams like the Yankees and Dodgers because all they care about is making money! They get millions of dollars a year from revenue sharing, make all of this money off of tickets and concessions, and then never spend a dime of that money on players so that they can win. There’s a reason why the same teams year in and out are running off of the lowest salaries and seem to always trade off their big name guys for unknown prospects and pay them chump change. They care more about making money than winning. After all, major league sports are a business right? Pathetic.

Once the Mitchell report came out, I was all but done with baseball. The integrity of the game has been permanently tarnished in my eyes, and I’m not sure I’ll ever get over it.

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by KingRichard on Jan 5, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bah

I was with you up til the Mitchell report. Unless your reason for giving up on them is that Selig is an idiot for even sanctioning that witch hunt, of course.

Steroids were a part of the game, just as they were and are in football. if it’s not being tested, it’s absurd to think that anyone should have any legit reason NOT to use them when millions are on the line. Now, in 04 baseball decided to end that and start testing, which is fine, but there was absolutely no reason to go through that congress and Mitchell charade that did nothing but shift the blame from the fact that every single owner and executive was 100% aware of the “problem” and endorsed it.

by willyduer on Jan 5, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points.

"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"

by KingRichard on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Even though the Texans just celebrated their first winning season in franchise history, they missed the playoffs yet again. Four years under the current regime; fours years of sitting at home in January. So, why is Gary Kubiak still employed?

In 4 years of being a coach at Houston, Kubiak has turned this team into a contender. Three straight seasons of at least 8-8, the first winning season in franchise history, development of Matt Schaub, and of course getting rid of that joke of a QB in David Carr. Ultimately, Kubiak did enough to show that this team has improved. This coming season will be it for him though, he has to make the playoffs or he will be gone.

Todd Haley seemed to make enemies everywhere within the Kansas City Chiefs whenever he opened his fat yap. The rumor was he and Scott Pioli barely spoke to one another during the season. After trading for Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel (and drafting Tyson Jackson with the #3 pick), the Chiefs managed to win only 4 games. Oh, and Haley is supposed to be an offensive expert. He even fired his offesnive coordinator during pre-season and took over the job himself. The 2009 Chiefs ranked 25th in the league, averaging 18 ppg.

This was a team that hasn’t been any good in years, and honestly, anyone is kidding themselves if they thought this would be fixed in one year. I really liked what I saw out of the Chiefs this year. They fought in most games, gave some really good effort in most of their close losses, and only really toward midseason started to gel. This is a team that could possibly be a surprise team in 2010. Not a playoff team, but could be a 2009 Texans type team…

This was also a team that had a new QB, benched and cut its star RB, traded it’s best offensive weapon at the time, and had zero defense to speak of at the start of the year. Despite all this, this team competed.

Josh McDaniels did the exact same thing his predecessor did (start fast only to fold up like a tent down the stretch and miss the playoffs). Only this time, McDaniels seems to have survived the chopping block whereas Mike Shanahan last year did not.

This was a team that overachieved early, and didn’t live up to inflated expectations late. McDaniels while being a bit of an ass and over excited, did a much better job with this team than anyone expected, due to the defense change and the difference at QB. Ultimately, this was not a good year for the Broncos…..but to finish .500 was better than expected. Still…I wouldn’t be happy with this..

After a playoff appearance last season, both John Fox’s Panthers and Jeff Fisher’s Titans all regressed even though both were expected to compete for a Super Bowl in 2009.

Both of these teams were derailed by injuries on both side of the ball. Of course, age had a factor in some of those, as older players were not playing as well as the year before. However, at least in the case of the Titans, they lost enough players on defense to injuries that they couldn’t stop teams at all. It was only after they started getting healthy again and VY came back as QB that they started winning.

This next line I have to take a bit of an exception to…

The Wellington Maras of the “share the wealth” age are dead. Replacing them are the greed-minded morons like Jones, who view revenue sharing as an obstacle to them buying a winning team, ala the Steinbrenners in New York with the Yankees.

The Steinbrenners bought an 8 million dollar franchise and turned it into a 1.4 billion empire. They did it buy not settling for anything less than winning it all. They did it buy spending money. MLB doesn’t have revenue sharing like the NFL, but they have the Luxury Tax. The teams like the Yankees who spend all that money are actually FUNDING the crappy teams like the Pirates, Marlins, and so on who refuse to spend money on their teams. You should really look into that….

The irony to your comment is that the Yankees are responsible for allowing teams like the Tampa Bay Rays and Florida Marlins to play in the World Series. Maybe you should have likened them to the Lakers…..at least that would have been accurate…

by DevilsReject on Jan 5, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this except the MLB part....

Your comment about the luxury tax is a gross overstatement. All the “crappy teams” that refuse to spend money do so because they don’t have the money to do so. Just because the league gives some small punishment to teams via the luxury cap, obviously, doesn’t succeed in making the payroll system fair for teams across the league. Of course clubs like NY and Boston spend all that money to buy winning teams! BBS is absolutely correct in this point. I support revenue sharing because it puts winning in the hands of the GM, coaches and player, and not on the owner’s wallet.

by taipei_coltsfan on Jan 5, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reason

20 teams didn’t make the playoffs so 20 coaches should be fired?

I’d say a good coach only adds 1-5 percent to a team.

More teams should do like the colts and put the game in the hands of the players.

God hates the New England Patriots

by Juri on Jan 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for whatever keeps

Jack Del Rio and Gary Kubiak on the sidelines for their teams… forever. And ever. Make it happen Wayne Weaver and Bob McNair! LIFETIME CONTRACTS!!!!

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by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My first answer before I even read the post was money

My second answer is time. Although teams have turned around in as little as a year, it takes a rare genius to turn around and STAY turned around. I’m obviously no G.M., but my gut tells me that you need to give rookie coaches longer than a year or two to really turn around a team. The question is whether a clear path was laid out… will the strategy be dump the aging and rebuild from scratch? Plug in a couple of weaknesses and accept 8-8 or 9-7 until the draft can spit out the guys you want? Change the offensive or defensive to match the talent?

If the coach can’t articulate how he sees his strategy playing out, then I’d question him.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 5, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just look at the Browns situation

Randy Lerner is already paying 1 coach to sit on his ass. He’s paying 2 GMs to sit on their ass. He’s paying an additional coach to coach the team. He’s paying Mike Holmgren a boatload of money to … do something with the team. Now there’s reportedly a 50/50 chance that Mangini gets fired after his first year.. and they are going to bring in a GM also. So by the time the season starts next year, the Browns could be paying 3 coaches, 3 GMs, and 1 Mike Holmgren. That sounds like an efficient use of ones money. Or, as they say in gambling circles, TMMS (too much money syndrome)

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by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and, of course, my point related to yours

is yes, if you hired the guy, maybe you should give him some time… or fire yourself for making such poor hires.

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by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

funny you should mention the Browns

I saw something today about them interviewing for G.M. and got really confused because I thought Holmgren would play that role… apparently President is different from G.M. I understand that in the context of a manufacturing company, but really don’t get it for a football franchise. Too bad they can’t focus that money on acquiring talent that would be used directly ON the football field.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jan 5, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Colts now have a President and a GM who are different people

Owner: Jim Irsay
President: Bill Polian
GM: Chris Polian
Coach: Jim Caldwell

though most teams seem to have their no president or hybrid roles (Owner/GM, Coach/GM)

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by shake n bake on Jan 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in salary cap sports

I think its a great idea to spend the most amount of money you can afford on coaches/GMs/Scouts, etc… since there’s no cap on that, having the best non-players in place will help you field the best team under the cap restrictions…

with regards to president and president/gm… GMs only focus is on the football team. Roster and personnel management. Presidents, in the sports context, are responsible for the financial aspects of the team including, but not limited to team costs. They find the ways to keep the team in the black with outside revenues, etc… In the case of indianapolis, I’m not sure of the big need for them to be two separate jobs, as the Colts don’t own their stadium, so they aren’t in charge of booking shows, etc… to fill the Luke in the off season. However, I believe that Polian’s job was JUST split into two, I believe until Chris got the promotion he was President/GM of the Colts. Chris will most likely end up in that job, he’ll just be eased into it slowly.

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Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and yes

when I heard today that the Browns are interviewing GM candidates I was like, wtf? I was under the impression that Mike Holmgren wanted to be the dictator of that franchise. Now he’s going to have a coach and a GM? Didn’t he get like 10mil/year? I need this kind of job.

“Yes, sir, I’m going to come in and clean up your mess, just give me 10 million a year.”

“Sounds good, Spaz, whats your plan of attack?”

“Well, sir, first I’m going to need a big ass cheque. Then I’m going to need you to pay your current coach and GM to go away so I can get down to business.”

“Great, so you’re going to be the new coach and/or GM?”

“Not exactly, I’m going to find two new people for you to pay, don’t worry, they’ll be great people. They’ll do the coaching and be the GM, under my supervision…”

“But, uh, what are you going to do?”

“Im going to deal directly with my secretary and she’s going to deal directly with your coach and GM!”

“You’re not going to deal with them directly?”

“ARENT YOU LISTENING TO WHAT IM SAYING? MY SECRETARY WILL TAKE MY PLANS TO THE COACH AND GM. THIS IS WHAT I DO. IM A PEOPLE PERSON, DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?”

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll hire you

but its -5 degrees F here tonight…

I always enjoy the looks on my neighbors’ faces when I take the garbage/recylcing down to the curb in my shorts/flip-flop thingies in this weather. They think I’m insane. Keeps them from talking to me. win/win situation.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 6, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Much help you are...

Had to get in freezing/frozen water this morning for work. I’m still recovering. I guess I was an idiot for asking a job with the Browns. Couldn’t you be the hypothetical president of a team in Hawaii?

by diagenesis on Jan 6, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell ya what, Dia

I’ll open the Hawaiian division of Spaz Enterprises ASAP, and as soon as I do, I’ll put you in charge.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 6, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but its headquarters

will be located in Siberia.

=D

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 6, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's sweet ;-)

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The Colts lost. The world moved on (I think).

by Cassieper on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BBS, I don't necessarily disagree, but...

…couldn’t the answer also be that there’s a growing realization in the league that consistency breeds success? Among the premier teams in the league a trend is immediately noticeable of teams having the same system for a number of years.

I suppose it’s possible that the causation of consistency is success, but it might just as likely be the other way around, right?

by LTTelamon on Jan 5, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i dont think

32 grumpy old stubborn men just found religion. They are afraid of the lockout and are just sittin on their hands for a year. In 2012 there will be enough firings to make up for this year.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Jan 5, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why would you add grudens name when you were naming good coaches, weren't you the one that criticized him or was it someone else?

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by 805 on Jan 5, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How many coaches have coached averages players to consistency?

Calling JDR and idiot is just plain buffoonery. Coughlin left him with little talent from the draft and too often Shack Harris failed during JDR’s tenure. How much of an idiot is he if annually the Jaguars are competitive with the Colts, a team with significantly more talent on both sides of the ball? He is obviously on a short leash and surely money plays into it, but you aren’t going to win many games with a Byron Leftwich at quarterback and your starting receivers being Reggie Williams and Matt Jones. If you think Dungy would have been successful without Manning and Harrison you’re dreaming.

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by bwfull on Jan 6, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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