Colts 19, Chiefs 9: What Needs Fixin'
by Brad Wells on Oct 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
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We used the recap to focus a bit more on the positives because, well, there were a lot of good things that happened in Indy's 19-9 win over previously unbeaten Kansas City. Here, we discuss the flaws, and while there were fewer of those than the positives, the flaws were quite glaring.
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He was awful yesterday, but, as bad as his play was, the line protection calls made to assist him were even worse. Towards the end of the third quarter, I caught myself screaming at the television, hoping Colts offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen would magically hear my insane banter through his headset. The screams went something like this:
F*cking assign f*cking Hart to f*cking chip Hali already, you f*cking clueless f*cking dirtbag!
For some odd reason Christensen and offensive line coach Pete Metzelaars thought it was a good idea to have stiff old Ryan Diem block Tamba Hali, KC's best pass rusher, one-on-one. The results were near disastrous.
All game long, Peyton Manning was running for his life from Hali. The apex of the Diem v. Hali debacle was early in the third quarter with the Colts driving into Chiefs territory. On 2nd and 10 from the 29 yard line, Diem whiffed on a block, and Hali slammed into Peyton Manning's blindside, causing a fumble. This was one of several blindside hits we've seen Manning take this year mainly because this offensive line is the worst he's ever had to play with.
Fortunately for the Colts, Jeff Saturday recovered the fumble, and Indy would later convert on a 47-yard Adam Vinatieri field goal.
The Chiefs looked as if they were targeting him yesterday, and it got embarrassing for the sixth year pro. Hayden's frustration boiled over into a dumb, and I mean DUMB, 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty against Chris Chambers after a 13-yard gain on 1st and 10 from the KC 39. The penalty happened with less than 18 seconds left in the first half, and it put the Chiefs in Colts territory, where they eventually would convert on a 45-yard Ryan Succop FG.
All game long, Hayden struggled. He even managed to get hurt late in the 4th quarter.
Throughout this early season, the Colts pass defense has looked shaky, at best. If not for the inept play of Dwayne Bowe (who dropped an easy touchdown in the third quarter), the Colts probably would have lost this game, and the blame would fall, once again, at the feet of Hayden and the Colts secondary.
If you want to look at one play that seems like a microcosm of the Colts secondary in 2010, look no further than 4th and 12 after the two-minute warning late in the game. Matt Cassel drops back, gets pressured a bit, but is able to complete a 21-yard pass to Dwayne Bowe for a first down. Again, 4th and 12, and the Colts can't stop them from getting first down.
The Running Game
While Mike Hart was the hero in the second half, the Colts running game continues to under-perform. Believe it or not, Merril Hoge of ESPN did a good job of illustrating the inconsistency of the Colts running game this morning on Sports Center. KC's gameplan was nearly the same as the NY Giants in Week Two. They had a base nickel defense using a soft coverage shell.
In essence, they dared the Colts to run.
If the Colts had anything remotely resembling the offensive lines we've seen in year's past, they'd have run for over 200 yards and averaged 6 yards a carry. They'd have converted their two early trips into the redzone in touchdowns, and their game would have been a laughter by the start of quarter three.
31 attempts, 97 yards, 3.1 a carry. Again, this is against a defense DARING YOU TO RUN!
Contrast this to the Colts, whose entire defense was keyed to stopping the run Sunday. While they had several impressive stands in the second half, Indy still allowed 113 yards on 27 carries, for 4.1 a carry.
All game long, TV announcer Dan Dierdorf made it a point to highlight how often Colts runners had to dodge defenders in the backfield. Again, KC wasn't blitzing. They used a base nickel defense. A 'soft' defense. Despite this, KC d-linemen lived in the backfield. This was because players like Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard, and Ryan Diem have a hard time doing this thing we call 'blocking.'
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Again, I'm not writing all this to bash the team, or 'be negative.' These were just flaws I saw in yesterday's game, and have seen consistently in previous games. If the Colts are to win a Super Bowl (again, Super Bowl of Bust for this team in 2010), they must correct these issues.
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In Polian We Trust ?
Seen that posted many times on this site. I would say yes except when he drafts O-Linemen.
What's this hatred toward Pollak?
Was he worse, than Saturday and Charlie Johnson, who are not mentioned?
No, he wasn’t.
As I said earlier
Linkebach to LT and move CJ to either guard position…goodness.
"I’m very fast. I’m like Forest Gump except... I am not an idiot." - Michael Scott
by Z.Pain on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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@Z.Pain
You need to get this information to either Polian or Caldwell ASAP, as long as Jamey Richard isn’t on the O-Line with Brody Eldridge for an extra blocker, it’s possible the O-Line problems would be solved.
Colts fan since Tony Dungy's 48th Birthday.
Linkebach sucks way to much to be out there...but CJ needs to be LG again...
What I would like to see is:
LT – Pick up a good LT (Yes Polian, you’re a Dmb @$$ when it comes to the O-line and stop picking up others people junk, left over linemen…)
LG – Charlie johnson
C – Jeff SAturday!!!!
RG – Kyle Devan (or pick up an even better guard, Devan isn’t too bad though)
RT – Ryan Diem
Well,
Yeah, Linkenback may not be a franchise LT, but he did very well against Denver, and until he proves otherwise, I would give him a shot. I don’t think he sucks by any means…I think our guards are pretty bad.
"I’m very fast. I’m like Forest Gump except... I am not an idiot." - Michael Scott
Just a technicality
but Diem doesn’t protect Manning’s blind side…Manning was just staring down the left/middle of the field and didn’t see Hali coming. Either way, Diem was horrible and looked pathetic on that play. This must be how it feels to be a fan of a team that tried to block Freeney/Mathis one-on-one while never adjusting…
Correct
Manning’s blind side is the LT position..
by DevilsReject on Oct 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
right... but he was blindsided in the play
in that he didn’t see it coming at all.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Oct 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Something I want to point out
A lot has been made of the inconsistencies of the offensive line, I know, because I’m one of those people. However, something that I think is being overlooked is the questionable play calling that has gone on during some of these plays. On several of the key running downs, it was painfully obvious that the Chiefs D was in the huddle with the Colts.
If you are going to telegraph you are running the ball, at least don’t do it all the freaking time!!! And to be fair, I don’t necessarily think it’s all the O-line’s fault. Some of this has simply to do with being geared for passing offense.
I guess it depends on your definition of a 'glaring' 'flaw'
I didn’t see the “running game” as a flaw in this game. We typically win games because of our passing (duh); the Colts running game is, at best, a way to keep opposing D’s honest. The running game wasn’t anymore of a flaw yesterday than it has been for the past two years. If anyone under-performed – at the Colts’ standard – it was everyone involved with the passing game: the pass blockers, PM, and the receivers. Even this I wouldn’t call a flaw….unless is gets consistent, which it won’t.
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Move Hayden to strong safety
Please move Hayden to strong safety. He is a better option to what we have right now. I just feel he’s better suited to play that position. He is a physical corner and has the size and speed to play the position.
by Indyshockwave on Oct 11, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He can't tackle!
Hayden sucks at tackling and imagine the penalty yards he would give up with more nonsense penalties 30 yards downfield.
I’m not in favor of Hayden to SS, I’m in favor of Hayden to the bench. Caldwell should have benched him to start the 2nd half after his moronic penalty at the end of the 1st half.
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I totally agree.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
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by BlueMark1821 on Oct 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He can tackle
but is sand-bagging like that Randy Moss ass-hat. In the past Hayden would jump at the opportunity to lay a hit on anybody and stand over their life-less body with a taunt.
Since he got payed though… he just doesn’t give a two-shits and continues to play like winning doesn’t matter to him. He needs to be demoted until that attitude subsides.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fire or trade him.
He can’t tackle, and loses concentration very easy. That stupid penalty is enough reason for me to at least bench him. Now consider how much he’s earning and how poorly he has been playing and you won’t find a single reason to start him again.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
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by BlueMark1821 on Oct 11, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear that Manning
is going to be knocked down quite often this season. I hope he can weather the storm and make it through the season. With all the glaring weaknesses this team has (and yes, there are many), we always have a chance at a superbowl championship with Peyton behind center. Therefore, the offensive line is one of the most important entities on the team. And, their protection of Peyton has not been reassuring so far. Let’s hope they get it together somehow.
just to reassure u
they will not be going to the superbowl maybe not even the playoffs
You don't know that in advance. It's the NFL, the #1 team changes week to week, and
seeding for the wild card won’t be made until about game 16.
A lot of us said the same thing...
The year we won the Super Bowl
by TrustInPolian on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
did you really just become a user...
and are already telling us exactly what’s going to happen?
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Oct 11, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
martez has been trolling all week.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Brody Eldridge and Linkenbach
In the Giants game, we gained a huge advantage using Brody Eldridge more, we should have used him more on Hali’s side and we would have had our way more against their nickel D. Give more reps to Linkenbach in Diem’s place, and use Kyle Devan who looked better as LG instead of Jamey Richard.
Plus, I also think Justin Tryon might end up being a find by the end of this year, just flat out put Hayden in the slot since he has never regained his step or quickness or playmaking since his injury issues last year. Let him do what Marlin Jackson did, since Marlin was never a good cover corner but a good zone corner that could be physical. Move Kelvin Hayden to the slot, move Powers and Lacey to the outside (yes, I know, ask Lacey not to bite on the play action) and rotate Lacey and Justin Tryon on the outside. Give Hayden breathers with Townsend in the nickel.
Brody Eldridge
When Tom Santi fumbled in the Ravens game last year, he never saw the field as much since then, not sure if this is a pattern similar to that, I surely hope not. We have to continue trusting these youngsters, they will come through eventually. Brody could have helped us with the blocking more.
ageed
cannot allow Peyton to continue to get hit like THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if goes out we are done, I don’t think I could evn watch Painter
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Adjustments that include Eldridge in the gameplan
continue to not be made. Manning’s post-game interview he talked about the Chiefs willingness to drop a ton of defenders and not blitz, and in other words, daring the Colts to run.
They did, too. Which is fine. The part that bothered me was the stubbornness the Colts displayed in trying to do so, running primarily out of 3 WR sets — in both Ace and Shotgun formations. They drafted Eldridge to improve the running game. WHY IS HE SITTING IN THIS SITUATION!? Counter their gameplan with the Eldridge Gameplan!!! At the least show that you are prepared to do so. Give it a shot for a drive?
Do what it takes to ruin the Chiefs’ gameplan defensively. Isn’t this part of football? Adjusting on the fly is all up to the coaches. They are clearly not getting it done right now.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Which reminds me.. I used to know Clyde Christensen's daughter
when she worked with my sister at a T.G.I. Friday’s in Westfield, IN. Now I wish I got to know her well enough to be around the family! Would love to give him an earful on the above subject.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was not impressed by anyone on the O-line.
I’ve said it numerous times but I can’t believe Richard was looking through his legs as the ball was snapped on that critical 4th and 2. Totally messed up the play it seemed. I wonder if they’ll ever move away from that thigh tap technique.
He was afraid of the crotch grabber
I think he was afraid of Shaun Smith, the crotch grabber, more than the play :-)
i'll say it again
he’s looking between his legs so that saturday doesn’t have to.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
i see that you mentioned it in your post. nevermind.
"We'll put em in the pot, shake it up and see what comes out." - Howard Mudd
"Nothing's complicated if you understand it." - Tom Moore
"It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." - Hofstadter's Law
Dallas Clark is
Just. This. Incredible.
Why no let Blair White return a few kicks?
When he is covering on special teams he looks like the fastest guy on the field. He can’t do worse than Moore.
"Hey, quit callin' the f@&%in' plays, alright?...When we call pass plays, BLOCK!" - #18
good idea
someone who can do something and get us past the 20 yd line
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 11, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Fisher and Brandon James could be options... at least to use them and see how
that will go… but noooooo…. Caldwell wants to sign a Wake Forest protege…..
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During the current state of affairs, Smileys are not smiling anymore.....
by Manning4ever on Oct 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Caldwell
really pisses me off. I do feel like the Colts would have been in a way better position if they would have hired someone else as coach. Yes he took us to the superbowl but then again with Peyton and the talent he has around him that isn’t very hard. He does have some of the same qualities that Dungy had but we get nothing from him. Its like the organization is scared to let him speak. We knew a lot more about the team and what was going on when Dungy was coach.
Im still mad...
@Manning4ever
that Ray Fisher isn’t on the squad, he showed more potential to break one all the way or atleast get Manning in decent field position, Brandon James showed some promise also, I wasn’t so high on Devin Moore but he’s OK (better than Simpson) but now he IRed.
Kenneth Moore should have no business on our Special Teams, especially over B.James
Colts fan since Tony Dungy's 48th Birthday.
S-l-o-w
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by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good article
Hayden bad and stupid penalty,, yes Devan did a decent job last year, they should start him!!!! and wasn’t impressed with Moore as the kickoff return man, looked slow and tentative and indecisive,, fine for punts- all I want there is no fumble and know when to catch it or not ,, why not Brandon James or the IU 7th rounder for kickoff returns Moore no fater than Chad was!!!!
IU 7th rounder is "Big Play" Ray Fisher
Except we waived him and he’s still a free agent, I believe. If we’re looking for fast IU players Marcus Thigpen plays for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in the CFL. He’s returned a Kick off for a TD, a punt for a TD, and caught a pass TD. He was a great returner at IU and a star track athlete. He’s a RB so could take Moore’s place.
by ActionOxford on Oct 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed...
If you see my smilieys, think of E.M.H. - our COLTs King of Smileys!
During the current state of affairs, Smileys are not smiling anymore.....
by Manning4ever on Oct 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
In general I'd say "inconsistency" is a major flaw
but thankfully that bug seems to be affecting 90% of the NFL this year. One week one facet of their game is strong, and may carry the underperforming aspects…the next week its something else. It’s only a matter of time before things click.
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we did beat
3 head coaches yesterday and 2 with a lot of experience with playing the Colts and they had 2 weeks to prepare
I think this is a good point
The Chiefs had two weeks to game plan for the Colts, and I think it showed. No question, we’ve still got some issues, and I think the Chiefs did a good job of exploiting our areas of concern.
I still maintain that our biggest weakness is not our run defense- it’s our secondary. Especially now that Bullitt is out. What’s odd is that our defense ranks 29th in the league against the run and 13th against the pass. Why do I feel like our pass D has been WAY worse than middle of the pack?
by ColtsFanInTexas on Oct 11, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That is because big plays stick in people's minds.
We don’t remember a knocked down pass on first and 10. But a big TD pass in garbage time vs the Giants tends to hang in people’s mind.
by sandtiger812 on Oct 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple
We’ve played nothing but teams that run the ball early on in the season. The one wildcard, the Texans, was so great at running the ball they stopped passing about 1 quarter into the game.
Look, the Pass D isn’t nearly as bad as you think. The problem is the run defense. When you have to rely on your secondary making a majority of your tackles, not only will they bite on a lot of running plays, but they will miss on passing downs as well.
Fix the run game, and voila, passing defense will get back in shape. It may not be perfect, but it will look a LOT better.
by DevilsReject on Oct 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Run D
1. Too much slanting at the line by Freeney and Mathis, especially Mathis. Play straight up on 1st downs, no slanting to the inside so the RB can cut back and get 15 yards after Wheeler or Session overpursue the original play.
2. Session looks terrible out there. He is a veteran, he should be playing better than this. He overpursues way too often and doesn’t fill his gap responsibilities consistently. Also, his “big hit” mentality isn’t working. Just make a solid tackle Clint….
3. Wheeler needs to be benched for Hagler, plain and simple. Hagler is much better in coverage and does a solid job of taking on blockers so Brackett can make more plays. When Wheeler isn’t also overpursuing like Session, the momentum of his hair counteracts his ability to pivot or cut to make more plays.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Session actually looked better
this week compared to last week and I’m going to look the other way and say he is just getting warmed up after not playing at all to start the year. Session is a guy that was supposed to be playing for the Pro Bowl this season, give him some time.
Wheeler… the guy tries, he really does. He has the great speed and physique to be a Colts’ LB but time and time again he is in the wrong spot. We all know Hagler is better than Wheeler but has a problem staying healthy. I’m willing to bet Cody Glenn can make a bigger impact, too. At this point, if the coaches haven’t made a change, I think the only way we see Wheeler replaced is in the event of a big injury.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately... we beat the Chiefs because they don't have a better QB....
If Matt Cassel is actually like Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or even Cutler or Favre, we would have lost.
If you see my smilieys, think of E.M.H. - our COLTs King of Smileys!
During the current state of affairs, Smileys are not smiling anymore.....
by Manning4ever on Oct 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Richard was the week link
Diem needed help, And Richard got beat over and over. So, it’s the o line again. But we ran effectively so it wasn’t all negative.
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by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Weak link
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I thought this was going to be a new feature
“Weak Link of the Week”.
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true
but have to protect Peyton, I would like to see both good running and good protection, but protecting Peyton is the #1 priority in my book,, and too many runs in the red zone,, Washington will be a good test on the road next Sunday need 4-2 and then a much needed bye week
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 11, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
still have no idea why we dont use DeVan... he run blocked well last game vs Jaqs
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During the current state of affairs, Smileys are not smiling anymore.....
by Manning4ever on Oct 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Caldwell is too stubborn
Richard is really bad…remember the 4th down play where he didn’t even get out of his stance until AFTER his guy had blown up Addai in the backfield? Pollak looked like Gene Upshaw out there compared to Richard.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
what I would like to see
is DeVan and Linkenbach, richard and diem are not cutting out wouldn’t hurt to try can they be any worse
I would like
LT – Linkenbach, LG Devan, C Saturday, RG Diem, RT Johnson
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I would like
Johnson-Thomas-Saturday(for now)-McClendon-Linkenbach(he is not yet as good at LT as Charlie)
Washington Redskins
Did you see what they did to Aaron Rodgers???
They are physical and they will play the kind of game that will put a scare into Colts fans…Mcnabb isnt Cassell in any sense..
They held the Packers to 16 points..And the Packers have the same issues we have…A shaky running game and a shaky o-line
And Ryan Torain is a physical runner
yes
a lot of the so called bad teams on the Colts schedule got a lot better between when the schedule came out and now,, will need a good pass rush and have to protect Peyton at all costs
by OBGYNOSUPREME on Oct 11, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit overblown
The Packers also do not have the receiving core that the Colts have. So while yes, the Packers are a great passing team, they are not the same offense as the Colts. Add to that that the Packers run a West Coast style offense, it’s easy to prep for.
I’m not going to discount the Redskins, but I think the Colts Offense will be by far the best offense the Redskins will see all year…..and considering the Redskins struggled to beat the Cowboys….
by DevilsReject on Oct 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pack gives up a million sacks a year
Respect the skins but don’t fear them
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by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
J. Finley went down early
and Aaron Rodgers lost his best target. I have NFL Network and watched this game and from what I saw, Rodgers was holding onto the ball way too long like he did last year. The Packers also were a bit predictable as they didn’t run the ball when it was working and the Redskins were selling out to stop the pass. Packers’ RBs only had 13 carries, with Brandon Jackson’s first touch going 71 yards. Why they abandoned the run game, especially with Finley out? No idea.
I’m not worried about the Redskins’ defense at all. I know they are physical and love to get after the QB, but the Colts have a lot more weapons than the Packers do. I’m more worried about stopping their offense. If Torain can do his best Arian Foster impression, McNabb is going to take some deep shots with the play-action to Moss, deadly combo.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see
McClendon get some action. The guy is huge and no doubt the strongest o-lineman we have. What is the deal with him? Is he hurt or just not performing? I’m sick of seeing him one the inactive list and watching Richard and Pollack sucking up the place. Obviously the line isn’t working why not make changes. I guess its going to take an injury to Manning before Caldwell realizes this. Still don’t like him as a coach.
While I'm not 100%
I believe the Colts are grooming him to replace Saturday, and have moved him exclusively to center. I know there was an article on it earlier in the year, and that is why you do not see him on the field.
by DevilsReject on Oct 11, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I do believe I read something about that before and he did play some center in college though it was very little. We need him now though. If he can be the player that I watched with the Vols then he would be a great asset to this team. Better than what I have seen from Pollack and Richard this year.
Agree
Saturday is smart and steady and tough… But when McClendon is ready his size and strength will be a huge upgrade. Key is to get him ready. We need to be patient with him. It’s the most technical position on the line.
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by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
he couldnt be any worse than pollack or richard or even diem for that matter
Line
I wouldn’t mind seeing a o-line consisting of link,Devan,Saturday,cj, and diem….
by asned on Oct 11, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I would rather CJ be on the end and Diem at RG though.
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correction
Christensen should be fired as the o coordinator, though Metzelars should be fired as well since the O-line continues to stink.
Give the coaches time.
However, if they do not show improvement by the end of the season, then I think Polian needs to clean up his mess in the offseason. Problem is, Polian probably won’t admit that he made a mess. Hell, if need be break the bank and BEG Dungy to return, or try to convince Cowher to come in and run a Cover 2 defense. The biggest problem I see right now with our coaching staff is getting the team ready, faulty gameplans, and an inability to make in game adjustments.
Hank Baskett handles marriage about as well as surprise onside kicks.
We had a good game plan It's Magc
We looked to stop the run( 113 yards rushing), make Cassell beat us through the air(148 yards passing). The offense was out of sorts though. Pierre had what? 3 drops. The line nearly got Peyton killed, but we did enough to win. I think KC is gonna be a player this year. This is a quality win against a quality team. I agree that we didnt do good enough in game adjustments. The Hali pressure was getting scary. The drops by Pierre continue to kill us. I hope Gonzo is healthy soon. I noticed the stat posted during the game. The Colts lead the league in dropped passes. I would like to see how many were from Pierre.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Why
They put Garcon in his old spot and moved Collie back to slot is beyond me. Collie has been lighting it up in the absense of Garcon. Collie was seldom heard from in the game yesterday and Garcon was dropping balls. Sounds like to me more poor coaching choices.
maybe it's just me...
I haven’t watched the game film… but the only drop that sticks out to me from yesterday was the one that was reviewed and overturned. While watching it, I didn’t notice Garcon dropping a lot of balls. He was targeted a lot, but was blanketed by the CB most of the time.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Oct 11, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Collie
I was screaming for Peyton to look at Collie, run some plays for him….they didn’t look at Collie until the 4th quarter and when they did, they started moving the ball and got into the endzone.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Don't think it mattered where Collie lined up
they were going to put bracket coverages on him and Clark all day long. Collie and Garcon can line up anywhere on the field and be effective. Where they line up should not ever matter.
I would have liked to see more Trips packages if the Chiefs were dropping so many players into coverage. Lining Wayne, Collie and Garcon in a bunch would have made picking up assignments a lot tougher for Chiefs’ defenders.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
In game adjustments get made
It’s how we won the game. Your first sentiment was more on target: give them time. You can’t just decide coaches are shit after 2 games. How did the bucs do last year? They went through OCs like hoosierhorseman goes through Depends (kidding hh!)
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
where was the pass rush?
I am curious to know why D Free and B Mathis were MIA in the pass rush. The had a few pressures, which are as important as sacks. But, without the fear of our edge rushers, our D looks pedestrian at best.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
They were getting beat by the run.
Did you notice on countless plays where Freeney and Mathis were going straight to the qb only to have Charles running right by them?
yes, that is always an issue.
I notice that every game. It kills me to see Freeney never involved in run d.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Freeneu and Mathis had
Tackles in of the RB in the backfield yesterday.
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Oct 11, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They got beat
way more than they made plays. It was so obvious in the game yesterday that Freeney and Mathis are clearly rushing ends. Just about every big run from Charles came around the edge when Freeney was spinning to the inside trying to get to the QB. Yes that technique works but why he uses it on running downs is beyond me. Saving it for obvious passing situations would be the smartest thing to do.
You may not have seen sacks
but the pass rush still makes a difference. The Chiefs had to use both a RB and a TE to help block in most passing situations, which only allowed them to have three guys running routes. Mathis also looked very tired in the second half of that game. There were a couple times they didn’t double team him but his explosiveness wasn’t there.
by nickfromnaptown on Oct 11, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't a conversation about
players that can’t stay on the field.
A few more
Freeney was awful at times yesterday. I know he is a sack man whose value is on 3rd and longs, but he kept spinning to the inside on early downs and opening huge holes for them to run to the outside.
Moore. I don’t know what coaches saw in him, but I saw nothing. No speed, just run stait into a defender and fall down. At least he didn’t fumble. Poor judgement on whether to touch back or fair catch. The guy was just awful.
Play calling was atrocious. How many times did we run that dumb ass draw for negative yardage. No creativity, not playing to strengths and completely predictable. I still can’t figure why we didn’t run play action when we were running well and then tried to run in constantly when we abandoned the run.
On the plus side, Collie is the man. Best hands on the team and is making Wayne and Clark look bad. Wish he had some of Garcon’s speed. Francisco wasn’t mentioned much, so he didn’t do anything horribly bad. I’ll be happy if we get that from here on out, but you know that McNabb is going to test him. I liked the energy on defense, I’d like it more if I saw it in back to back weeks.
Most of our problem areas were improved. Our problems yesterday were a combination of an off day by Manning and a great game by KC, especially the secondary.
by strandedincarolina on Oct 11, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with this 100%
"Hey, quit callin' the f@&%in' plays, alright?...When we call pass plays, BLOCK!" - #18
colts problems
go back and look at the blocks both cj and richard made on harts td run.they blew it wide open.I do not see this line as being any worse then last year and prehaps better.Few right tackles in football are going to handle hali one on one.The ol is an average bunch. This teams problems are primary on defence.They must improve their gap control and hayden must play better.I would considered replacing him with Tyron.
Don't burden this thread w/your positive outlook
I used to love reading the stories here and then going through all the comments. Then, once BBS blew a gasket I at least enjoyed reading all of the comments where people called him out on his numerous inconsistencies. But now that all of those people have been banned or just got fed up and left, now all we have are BBS lapdogs that don’t do more than troll their own community. This is what happens when you ban everybody who disagrees w/you – you get ayrshires, gynocolegists, tncolts, who just post their negative/pessimistic views on why the colts suck (just like BBS).
I miss everybody. Count me out until they come back.
Seriously?
If we can count you out than good riddance. I disagree with BBS plenty, as do plenty of others. If you are so worried about the others, go join them wherever they may be.
However, if you are serious about caring about this site, then continue to be here and disagree or agree with people here.
Some people on here simply lose their freakin tops when it comes to being told no I don’t agree with you or yes, you are wrong. Hell, even BBS is guilty of that, even I am…. but it’s not always the case.
Instead of sitting here being a negative person, you could be trying to improve the quality of this group, by becoming one of those people who is well regarded.
by DevilsReject on Oct 11, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
When someone can't give an honest
opinion, whether perceived as either positive or negative by some, then there’s a problem. I think everyone’s views should be heard here….if they’d like to comment. I’ve been a bit hard on the coaching staff and management, because I believe certain things are not being corrected. It certainly doens’t mean I’m right, it’s just the way I see it. I’ve written plenty of positive stuff too. Just last week I predicted the Colts would get back sync and spank the Chiefs…..hardly negative. But, regardless, I’m not likely to change my viewpoint on Polian. But, I’m not offended by people who think he’s doing a great job. I think there’s room for all viewpoints and it’s healthy to vent a bit and discuss it.
Haha, This made me lol.
There’s lot’s of people on both sides here… go read the comments on the quick recap. Get over yourself. As far as I can tell… you aren’t bringing anything to the conversation, so… I’m not seeing any reason that you’ll be missed.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Oct 11, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Depressing -
As only a recent reader (small poster) of BBS, it’s just generally depressing and distracting to hear all of this unhappiness. On the one hand, if people don’t like it here they can, of course, leave, but on the other hand it’s everyone’s responsibility (which makes it no-one’s responsibility?) to make this a good site with good commentary and insight. So when we’re slamming each other over and over, or ridiculing posts and posters (not trolls), it’s just sort of sad. I think all the way up the chain (to BBS) the goal should be to make this the best Colts blog out there. And with that, if someone does do something that makes people say “ouch”, we should try to agree what needs to be different, and then move back to the Colts discussion.
Or are my comments too apple pie and America (i.e. naive)?
I agree with you 100%
But if people aren’t going to contribute to a conversation, and just say that they don’t like the attitude of other posters without any logic or reasoning… I guess I don’t miss those people.
Peyton Manning= Better.
by JesusNinja13 on Oct 12, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything needs fixing.
Especially that horrible Offensive Line, Z.Pain came up with a brilliant idea in this post and several others that mentions Jeff Linkenbach moving to LT while Charlie Johnson moves over to Left or Right Guard (great idea Pain). Our O-Line needs to consist of Linkenbach, Johnson, Saturday, DeVan, Diem; then maybe our pass protection and rushing offense will improve over the course of the season. Just put Jamey Richard on the bench and we’ll be OK
Our secondary seems to be getting sloppy, I have no problems with Jerraud Powers as I consider him the rising star on the defense, but Kelvin Hayden is on some other shit and seems to be playing careless, if Jacob Lacey could stop with the Jennings-esque gameplay , he should be alright this season; I really like Justin Tryon, he does well against those sneaky ass slot WRs, Deshea Townsend is alright in my book.
Antoine Bethea is the secondary’s only ray of light, we can’t afford to lose him.
The LBs were great yesterday, even Philip Wheeler showed some consistency and Clint Session was a monster (Im glad he’s back ) Gary Brackett did good helping with the rush defense and slowing down those speedy RBs.
Im just glad the Colts knocked off the only undefeated team in the league. GO COLTS
Colts fan since Tony Dungy's 48th Birthday.
The Colts' main problems this season can be resumed in
1- Inconsistency. Our WRs sometimes drop easy passes and our D only gives a good game after being embarrassed the previous game.
2- Coaching. Everyone’s commenting about it. Its amazing that the coaching staff won’t adjust (like blocking assignments) in any condition of the game.
3- Bad luck. So many injuries are probably the worst thing so far. Sanders, Gonzo, Brown, Bullitt and now Addai are only a few of them. Lots of guys are playing hurt, like Collie. But take into consideration how important those guys are. Well, probably Bob and Gonzo haven’t done a thing for the team in a while, but what about Melvin and Joe? Both are, imo, key players for the Colts, mostly Addai. I hope his injury is not serious, it would be a disaster for this team.
We haven’t looked really mediocre, but we haven’t been good either. Good thing is, we have Peyton Manning, who I guarantee you won’t have another game as bad as the one he had yesterday.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
Last piece of Colts merch added to my collection: Riddell Authentic Revolution Helmet!.
is it me or
are coaches being more patient with their players? it seems like a player who has shown so much inconsistency they start the next week doing the same mistake over again…i guess it will take an injury
Running the Ball
Man, the Colts are way too predictable….run a few yards then throw, throw, throw! Without a REAL R/B we ain’t gonna win a super-bowl! The guy we have ( I won’t mention his name because he seems to be hurt most of the time ) just can’t take a full season!…yeah, yeah, I can hear the voices, we ARE a passing team, well, sorry, but, we need a balanced attack to win a super-bowl! Last year the Saints knew we could’nt run, so they just keyed in on Peyton…a simple plan, and it worked!
last year we ran all over the god damned Saints
The superbowl was the Colts best rushing performance of the year
"We ARE going to our own private island, Chris: it's called the State Fucking Fair!"
by naptown_ninja on Oct 12, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
GO COLTS!!!!!!
I got really depressed going down through these comments, so much negativity… Not argueing against any of these…but…
Go Colts!!!!!!!!
Some pretty strong statements around here!
Honestly, I think we’ve gotten a bit spoiled around here. Really we’ve only had one game that we were clearly outplayed – the Houston game. We didn’t get into the end zone much against KC, but our offense and defense both outplayed their counterparts the entire game. Diem was overmatched by Hali, but I saw many plays later in the game where we started chipping him. (Didn’t you guys see that?) Yeah, our OL looked overmatched at times, but KC has a good DL. I thought Hali, Johnson, and Dorsey were as stiff a challenge as we’re likely to face this year. Our offense is a little out of synch, but if we can keep Garcon, CJ, Richard, Gonzo, Addai, Brown, Collie, etc. healthy for a little while, I’m sure it’ll come around. I’m willing to be a fan and be happy about the win, rather than getting upset about every player who had a bad play or two!
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