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Former-Colts Tight End Ken Dilger Takes A Shot At Clyde Christensen, Makes Silly Comment About Jon Gruden

Ken Dilger is one of my favorite Colts all-time. I remember the TD he scored against the 49ers his rookie year in 1995, a 15-yarder from Jim Harbaugh to give the Colts a 12-7 lead. The Colts would eventually win that game against the then-defending world champs, and many fans feel that game was a turning point for the Colts as a franchise.

Dilger was also a major factor in the development of Peyton Manning as a QB. He played with Manning from Peyton's rookie year in 1998 to 2001. The two are still friends even though they haven't played together in nearly ten years. 

Dilger eventually made his way to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002, where he won a Super Bowl under then-head coach Jon Gruden. Gruden, as you all know, replaced Tony Dungy in Tampa Bay after Dungy was fired following the 2001 season. Dungy had coached the Bucs from 1996-2001. For many, even though the 2002 Bucs were coached by Gruden, they were still considered 'Tony Dungy's team.'

Ken Dilger seems to disagree.

This past Monday, as a guest of 1070's Joe Staysniak, Ken Dilger talked about the difference between Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy, and how that difference supposedly helped get Tampa Bay over the hump and win a Super Bowl. Dilger also (I'm assuming unwittingly) took a shot at current Colts offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen [emphasis mine]:

There was a lot of talk about that, when we won that Super Bowl, that this was Tony Dungy's team. And, you know, I agree with some of that. But, I don't on another part because that defense he built, and he built a great defense down in there in Tampa, but he always struggled with the offense. Talking to some of the guys down there, on the offensive side of the ball, [saying] that the [offensive] coordinators down there weren't very good, they weren't very good drawing up plays. It was a basic offense. Gruden comes in there with pretty much the same cast of characters, you got myself, Joe Jurevicius, Keenan McCardell, some of the offensive linemen to come in and put those pieces together. And Jon's got a very dynamic offense. A lot of plays. A lot of formations. A lot of stuff just going on. It took us a while to get that offense going. But, the second half of the year we really got on the ball, and played well. ended up 12-4. The defense played well. Kept us in a lot of games, but his offense really came around that year.

It doesn't take a great leap of logic to assume that one of those coordinators Dilger says wasn't very good was Christensen. Christensen ran Tampa Bay's 'basic' offense in 2001, which saw them average 20.2 ppg (15th in the league). The Bucs had a 9-7 record that year, and lost in the playoffs to the Eagles 31-9. Dungy and Christensen were fired from the Bucs shortly afterward, and eventually made their way to Indianapolis. Christensen was the wide receivers coach for Indy from 2002-2009. This past off-season, he was promoted to offensive coordinator.

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It's worth noting that the 2002 Buccaneers, with Jon Gruden's 'dynamic' offense, averaged 21.6 ppg (18th in the league). Meanwhile, their defense that year allowed only 9.4 ppg. In 2001 under Dungy, the defense allowed 17 ppg.

So, in essence, Dilger doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

I still like the guy, and enjoy hearing him talk about his career, but the simple fact is Jon Gruden's offenses in Tampa Bay never ranked higher than 18th in the league in scoring from 2002-2008. This means that Gruden's O ranked in the bottom half of the NFL each year he coached in Tampa Bay.

If that's 'dynamic' to Ken Dilger, he's got a pretty weak definition of the word.

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Eraser

Just like Bob Sanders used to erase LB tackling mistakes in the past, Peyton is a big eraser on offense. But obviously, the talent on offense here is much better to work with than at Tampa and learning under Tom Moore and the best and being WR coach in the past for the Colts, Clyde Christensen has obviously come a long way before his jump.

So, I don’t think comparing it to his 2001 version is a valid comparison.

by chad72 on Nov 3, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Gruden goes back to coaching

While we all like hearing positives about Colts players, Gruden’s gushing starts to get annoying.

by Ty46 on Nov 3, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Gruden

Gruden obviously was not a good coach and I just want him to go away all together. He is too stupid to commentate and too stupid to coach.

by DaHart85 on Nov 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That

Is a foolish comment. Gruden was and is a very good coach. He may not be an elite coach, but he took guys that were average QB’s and turned them into top tier guys. Rich Gannon was a hack and on the downside of his career when Gruden got him.

I would much rather have Gruden as my coach than some of the coaches in this league….and to be quite honest, I would not mind Gruden as an OC for the Colts….

by DevilsReject on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gruden as OC for the Colts, no thanks I remember him as coach at Tampa, all he did there was ride Dungy’s D to a SB.

by Ufanforreal on Nov 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignorance

Look at what he had in Tampa Bay though…

A brittle, practically dying Brad Johnson, who couldn’t stay healthy
Rob Johnson, Shaun King – need I say more?
Chris Simms – lost his spleen in a game, out for year

They had a good solid defense, but they could not get a QB for shit while he was there. They had some decent offensive players, but without even an average QB, they just suffered. They traded for Plummer and he retired…. I really think if he had gone and played, Gruden is still coaching at Tampa…

The guy has skills, may not be the most liked guy, but all he wants is to win…and it’s that kind of gung-ho ability that I think Peyton would appreciate… it will never happen in a billion years, just saying I wouldn’t complain about it…

by DevilsReject on Nov 3, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I get what Dilger is saying

The problem with Dungy and his defense, and in large part even with the Colts, was that it remained constant. You always knew what you would see on defense…the primary reason the Colts version of the Tampa 2 worked so well was because of Peyton Manning.

However, with the addition of Gruden, he was able to throw more wrinkles into the mix on offense. It didn’t necessarily show up in the statistics, but it made a big enough difference on offense. Also, add to the mix that Brad Johnson, the starting QB, missed 4 games due to injury (Rob Johnson/Shaun King subbing in).

Dungy 2001

Total Offense 26th
Rushing 30th
Passing 15th

Total Defense 6th
Rushing 12th
Passing 5th

Gruden 2002

Total Offense 24th
Rushing 27th
Passing 15th

Total Defense 1st
Rushing 5th
Passing 1st (ironically, Colts were #2)

by DevilsReject on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

That was 7-8 years ago. I’m sure Clyde Christensen is a differenet coach now than he was while with Tampa. Colts have different offensive strengths than the Bucs had and he can help coach to the Colts strengths. I think its a stretch to think that Dilger threw an unknowing jab at Clyde. Besides we all know that Peyton is the real offensive coordinator.

by Celpro on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Well said..

It’s not like Clyde has that difficult of a job to do. The playbook has not changed. All that Clyde has to do is look at it, give Manning a few play options, and that’s it…

by DevilsReject on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken is right about Christensen’s offense it was very basic, but he is using Tom Moore’s offense now.

by Garcon the check please! on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

yes

I would say he has learned some things since Tampa Bay

by OBGYNOSUPREME on Nov 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

with Peyton at QB

It is really hard to tell how good or bad he is, and he still has Tom Moore standing there too, so how badly could you screw up even if you were totally clueless.

An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing...

by bluegirl on Nov 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it's just me

but Peyton has looked awful frustrated with Christensen at times this year. For instance, in the Texans game it appeared the play was not being called-in in the amount of time Peyton wanted (not quick enough). i believe that happened in another game as well. and on the sidelines he was giving Christensen an ear full.

anyone else notice that?

by coolyjohn on Nov 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

During the game

they actually took Manning’s helmet and I think they replaced his headset inside..

by DevilsReject on Nov 3, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

I was in a bar with 200 screaming sf giants fans, so I couldn’t hear the commentating and was often distracted by the vuvuzuela in my ear, or whatever the fuck its called

by coolyjohn on Nov 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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