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Recap Week Thirteen: Cowboys 38, Colts 35

The Indianapolis Colts are on a losing streak.

For the first time since October of 2002, this team has lost three games in a row. Amazing statistic, isn't it? In Tony Dungy's first season as head coach, the Colts started 4-1 and things looked promising. They then posted three straight loses against the Steelers, Redskins, and Titans respectively. Things looked lost back then.

The season was turned around after a dominant win in Philadelphia against the Eagles. This game marked Dwight Freeney's first start in the NFL, and he made an immediate impact. The Colts would finish the season 6-2, and make the playoffs (only to get waxed by the Jets 41-0).

Now, eight years, six AFC South titles, two AFC Championships, and a Super Bowl trophy later the Colts find themselves back to what they were in 2002: Flawed, 'soft,' turnover prone, and over-reliant on Peyton Manning.

Here's another bit of bookend poetry for you: The current run of the Indianapolis Colts (eight years of at least 11 wins) arguably started on that famous Monday Night Football game in 2003 at Tampa Bay when the Colts missed a field goal in OT only to be given another chance because of a 'leverage' penalty on Buccaneers lineman Simeon Rice. The Colts made the second attempt, and won the game. Yesterday, the Colts hold the Cowboys to a field goal in under two minutes only to give Dallas a fresh set of downs after Eric Foster was called for a 'leverage' penalty while trying to block the kick. Dallas scored a touchdown three plays later, and converted on a two-point attempt.

Just something to throw out there.

The finger-pointing and the 'who is to blame' talk will happen when this team hits the off-season. Right now, it's pointless. We know the offensive line is a disgrace. We know Donald Brown can't run the football. We know Fili Moala and Daniel Muir are terrible interior DTs. We know Aaron Francisco makes David Gibson look like Ronnie Lott. To retread over these same problems again and again is just to throw gasoline on a man on fire.

But, because it's my job to recap these games as best I can, we'll use this column to focus on a few key things that, for good or worse, I noticed during the game.

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  • I'm very happy for Taj Smith. His blocked punt for a touchdown turned that game, and if anyone on the special teams had recovered the fumble he caused during the kick return following Javarris James tying the game, the Colts win. Taj Smith would be hailed as a hero this morning. But, because the Colts lost, his efforts are largely forgotten. This bullet is a shout out to Taj. Nice work, kid.
  • For all the crap people gave Pierre Garcon in the beginning of the season for dropping passes, it is only fitting that your ire turn to Reggie Wayne. If not, you folks are hypocrites. In overtime, Peyton Manning hit him in the chest with an easy first down. Wayne dropped it. He's dropped several balls this year, often blaming the lights in the stadium. If the Colts convert that first, they likely win. Because Reggie dropped it, they didn't.
  • I really wish Jim Caldwell and Bill Polian would get on the same page. Last week, Polian said Philip Wheeler was going to remain the starter at SAM backer. But, this Sunday, Pat Angerer started. Then, throughout the course of the game, we saw Angerer, Wheeler, and Tyjuan Hagler at certain points all playing SAM backer. So frustrating.
  • Just FYI: Last year Antonio Johnson was a starting DT for the Colts defense. Prior to them quitting before Week Sixteen, the Colts allowed only 104 rushing yards a game. They held six opponent under 100 yards. This year, for reasons that still are not explained, Fili Moala 'won' the starting job at DT over Johnson after training camp. The Colts are surrendering 142 rushing yards a game, and have held only two opponents under 100 yards all season. Just throwing that out there.
  • Jerry Hughes. Did he even see the field yesterday? This is a first round pick folks.
  • I give a lot of credit to Justin Tryon. He was battling to help this team both on defense and in returning kicks. Blocking on special teams was terrible. Supposedly, Brandon James was cut because he was the issue, not the blocking.
  • Javarris James is money running the ball around the goal-line. Five rushing TDs in eight games, all from inside the five yard line. Tough kid. Edgerrin is likely very proud.
  • Second game in a row where Pierre Garcon played well. The light seems to have gone back on for this kid. 
  • During the FOX broadcast, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman (who, I thought, did a fine job calling the game) made a point during a break to talk about a production meeting conversation they had with Peyton Manning prior to the game. Peyton told them that, with Howard Mudd gone and Tom Moore taking a backseat to new offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen, Peyton himself has needed to take on the role as 'heavy' for the team. In the past, it was Moore and Mudd who got in people's faces when they screwed up. Now, Peyton has to do it. Upon hearing this, I thought, If there was ever an indictment as to the utter ineptness of Christensen and offensive line coach Pete Metzelaars, that statement was it.
  • I continue to marvel at how good and tough Jacob Tamme is. He's no Dallas Clark, but to run routes like that and snare passes out of the sky like that with his back injury is the definition of 'football warrior.'
  • Antoine Bethea had 15 tackles today. He's the only person in the secondary who earns his money.

Finally, let's just say it: Peyton Manning is playing like dog meat now. He knows it. We know it. during his press conference after the game (again, notice how he always shows up and faces the music, win or lose? It's called 'leadership.' Look it up, and you see a pick of Big P's face) Peyton essentially said that he is forced into making 'aggressive throws' because the only way this team can move the ball is by throwing it.

Now, some argue that if an offense cannot move the ball, then just play 'Dungy Ball' and run, run, throw, punt and let your defense win the game for you.

Well, when your defense is surrendering 217 yards rushing at 4.7 a carry, and allowing the opponent to convert 53% of their third downs, 'Dungy Ball' don't work. One must be able to play defense if one is to employ a defensive game management philosophy, and right now this defense is overpaid and over-rated.

This is who we are folks. This is our team.

We can't run. We can't stop anyone. I know people are pointing to the return of Bob Sanders, saying that this all parallels the 2006 season. Maybe. But there was more to 2006 than Bob Sanders. Peyton wasn't throwing picks for TDs in 2006. The offensive line had Tarik Glenn, Jake Scott, and Ryan Lilja in 2006. Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes in 2006 were better than Donald Brown and Mike Hart today. 2006 had Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and a Reggie Wayne who didn't drop gimme third down passes.

This isn't 2006. Different team. Different coach. Different everything.

The Colts are at .500 in December for the first time in a long while. The last time this team was near 6-6 in December was 2001, Jim Mora's last season as head coach. The Colts finished that year 6-10. I hope to god we don't repeat that cycle this year, because if we do I think Jim Irsay needs to consider cleaning house. For now, Jim Caldwell has four games to prove he's worth a damn to this franchise. The Colts must win out to make the post-season.

Four games.

Three against division opponents. The season is now four games, and Indy must win every single one of them. Not an easy job, but this is why coaches are paid all that money. It's their job to make the impossible possible, because if they can't someone else will.

Go Colts.

Poll
Colts Week Thirteen game ball
WR Taj Smith: Blocked punt for a TD, forced fumble
495 votes
WR Reggie Wayne: 14 receptions, 200 yards, 1 TD
337 votes
WR Pierre Garcon: 8 catches, 56 yards, 1 TD
38 votes
FS Antoine Bethea: 15 tackles
52 votes
DE Robert Mathis: 1 sack, 4 tackles
4 votes

926 votes | Poll has closed

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I don’t want to know anything about the Colts, I just want to watch the next game and hope we remember how to get W’s

GO COLTS!

by fpacheco on Dec 6, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know what to do

I am not use to seeing this team lose like this. This is surreal! GO COLTS.

by chihoosierguy on Dec 6, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Get off the "He-Man Jerry Hughes Haters Club" kick...

Your logic on first-round picks is terribly flawed. Off the top of my head:

Carson Palmer
Aaron Rodgers
Nnamdi Asomugha
Eli Manning (rode the pine til the end, and even got benched when he DID get on the field)
Phillip Rivers

All players who hardly sniffed the turf during their rookie years and, in some cases, for second and/or third years. Get off the “He-Man Jerry Hughes Haters Club” kick…

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Examples

Of the five players you have there, four are QBs and one is a DB who plays for the friggin Raiders. I’m not hating on Jerry Hughes. This team expected him to have an immediate impact. It’s December and this kid isn’t seeing the field. Something is wrong. You can either acknowledge the obvious, or not.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The team expected him to have an immediate impact?

Polian said he could play “right now” (after they drafted him), but I don’t recall him saying anything about them expecting immediate results.

by strootster on Dec 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

This was spoken right after the Colts picked Hughes
Question: Are you looking at this as this is that kind of guy who, situationaly, should play right away and contribute right away?

Polian: Oh yeah. And he runs well enough that he’ll be a force on special teams too, I would imagine.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2010/10/12/1746984/is-colts-2010-first-round-pick-jerry-hughes-a-bust-already

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still too early to dismiss Hughes as a bust...

…One year playing behind Freeney and Mathis does not a bust make.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not calling him a bust

I’m asking why our first round pick isn’t playing, and it’s December. Right now, he’s clearly a disappointment, but not a bust.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

"Disappointment"...

…is a label is a more fitting, albeit slightly, so I’ll give you that.

Has Indy provided any reason for why Hughes isn’t out on the field, or has no one thought to ask?

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No reason

They simply have said he isn’t ready, which is a pretty lame excuse. They thought he was ‘ready’ when they drafted him. But in August, they changed their tune. Sounds like somebody screwed up. JMO.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would you rather have in the game when the opponent is in 3rd and long? Freeney and Mathis or Hughes?

Exactly. As far as special teams – watch the game again…he is playing special teams.
Hughes is exactly like Rivers, Rogers, and other players who have been brought in to develop behind Pro Bowlers. He plays in garbage time and special teams, but when the game is on the line, you play your PRO BOWLERS!

by ProfBeerMan on Dec 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have all three

Hughes was drafted to provide the ‘third rusher,’ remember?

Polian: We’ve been searching for the elusive ‘third rusher’ for a long time. And now we feel that [Hughes] can fill that bill.

Polian: We’ve said, seemingly forever, that the third rusher who can substitute for Dwight and Robert is something we have not had. And when Dwight and Robert were 100% healthy, the results spoke for themselves. When they’ve not been 100% healthy, the results have not been what we’ve wanted. So, that’s the first priority. The third rusher has been a priority of ours, as I said, seemingly forever.

Polian: He gives us a lot of flexibility to create third down packages

Polian: He can put his hand down. He can stand up in the ‘Joker’ role. That’s what he does. He’s a pure pass rusher.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

They had a whole off-season to create some of these ‘third down packages,’ for Hughes to learn these things. He should be playing right now.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Chief.

Learning to rush the passer from the inside is drastically different than from the outside. It has taken Moala over a year to learn to play DT, and he has been playing that position for years! Hughes is 250 lbs., he is going to have to learn a variety of moves to rush the passer from inside…patience young Jedi.

by ProfBeerMan on Dec 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not obvious...

…All five of those players, except for perhaps Asomugha, were drafted by teams that already had entrenched, established stars in those positions.

The Colts? Indy had two entrenched, established stars playing at Hughes position. What is “wrong” is not Hughes; rather, it is the fact that Freeney and Mathis are Freeney and Mathis. Hughes had zero hope of displacing Freeney or Mathis. Zilch. Zip. Nada. None. Accordingly, labeling him as a bust under those circumstances is absurd. THAT is what I will acknowledge, not your premature opinion. The times he HAS been on the field, he has shown promising potential at rushing the passer. Give the kid time before you toss him out with the bathwater is all I am saying.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, as for those players...

…because they did not see the field their first years, you are required to argue that Rodgers, Rivers, Asomugha, Palmer, and E. Manning are all busts.

Not doing so would be hypocritical, much the same as not dogging on Wayne for the dropped passes.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Arguments for both sides

Most of those players (Rivers and Rodgers, in particular) were considered “future face of the franchise” players. They weren’t drafted to play “now” – they were drafted to get slowly and accurately acclimated into the offense (or defense, in Asomugha’s case), and play when they were ready. Considering many of them are perennial Pro Bowlers, the wait was worth it for them.

Jerry Hughes simply doesn’t need to play his position, because he has two healthy Pro Bowlers playing in front of him. With Mathis and Freeney taking most meaningful defensive snaps, I don’t want him lining up on either side of the defensive line because I trust our seasoned vets to do that job. If they need rest or if there’s a small injury (knock on wood), I suspect he’d play in a heartbeat.

Should he get a few more snaps, or maybe contribute more on special teams? Absolutely. I don’t think he should have a “first round pick” role right now though, because the roster simply doesn’t dictate it. He’s another “plan for the future” pick.

by strootster on Dec 6, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha yeah, yeah, yeah...

…As I was typing the list I was mindful of the fallacy behind using those particular players to argue my point but, as I said, it was off the top of my head and those players were the most obvious choices.

Nonetheless, the careers of those five players fly in the face of BBS’s logic regarding how EVERY first round pick must have an immediate impact on the team.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

BBS's logic?

Pretty sure it was POLIAN’s WORDS, that said Jerry Hughes could make an immediate impact not BBS’s. You’re arguing an ilegitimate point. The kid isn’t even playing special teams…

by NanceyBoy on Dec 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BBS's logic?

Pretty sure it was POLIAN’s WORDS, that said Jerry Hughes could make an immediate impact, not BBS’s. You’re arguing an ilegitimate point. The kid isn’t even playing special teams…

by NanceyBoy on Dec 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Close, but no...

…The point is not illegitimate. Polian’s words form the basis for BBS’ logic; he adopted Polian’s statement as his own and, thus, it is correct to call this BBS’ logic. Notwithstanding the words of Polian, BBS presents the argument as his.

Moreover, you are unnecessarily neutering yourself in applying BBS’ logic only to Indy’s draft picks. In discussing whether Jerry Hughes constitutes a bust, BBS routinely makes comparisons to the draft picks of other franchises. If he can compare Hughes’ lack of playing time to other teams’ first rounders making immediate impacts, it is fair to make comparisons to other teams’ first rounders who spent the season pulling out splinters.

Generally, teams that draft in the top half of each round are the teams that either are really, truly terrible (i.e., Detroit), or teams that are one or two pieces away from contending for a playoff spot, whereas teams that draft in the bottom half are the perennial contenders. Arguing that high first-round draft picks must make an immediate impact is sound. Arguing that low first-round draft picks, or all first round picks regardless of draft position, must make an immediate impact is soundless.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Learned Hand

The bottom line here is the Colts expected Hughes to make an immediate impact when they drafted him. They said so. Unfortunately, he hasn’t. He barely gets on the field as a special teams player. First round picks, be they 32nd or 1st overall, need to have some kind of immediate impact. Even if it’s a QB, at some point that guy needs to be starting during his rookie year. I’m all for players developing and learning their craft. With about a billion OTAs, training camp, and pre-season, they have that opportunity.

But, by December, it’s not unreasonable to ask why the team’s first rounder never sees the field, especially when the club is having a hard time getting consistent pressure.

If you feel different, that’s fine. I expect more bang for my buck. And it seems pretty obvious that what the Colts thought they drafted turned out to be different than what they got.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

BBS, you need to qualify what you mean by "immediate impact"...

…as that may be where much of the confusion lies. “Immediate impact” could mean anything.

I am not arguing that first rounders can get away with merely standing on the sidelines their entire rookie year; in fact, I agree with you completely that SOME impact must be made by a first rounder, be it on the field, in the weight room, at practice, in the film sessions, etc. Where I [think I] disagree with you is on the degree of impact, where the impact is felt by the team, and its immediacy.

As I expressed earlier, I too am disappointed at not seeing Hughes on the field more often (though I remain impressed by what I have seen so far; I cannot remember which game it was, but Hughes was in the QBs face an awful lot, and even you had to be excited by that).

With that said, I will admit that, as our offensive line continues to struggle and the Freeney/Mathis two-headed monster has combined for 17 total sacks this season, Indy’s first round pick could have been more wisely spent elsewhere.

Steadfastly, however, I still stand in opposition to declarations of Hughes’ status as a bust. He just needs time. Think about it, BBS…Aaron Rodgers spent YEARS sitting behind Brett Favre, only having limited opportunities to show his potential (i.e., the GB @ Dallas game in 2007 where Favre was knocked out of the game). Now, Rodgers is an elite QB. We very well could see the same thing from Hughes.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My logic

I’m quoting Bill Polian above, people.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its hating, especially when...

…it seems likely that something is wrong with him. Look at Angerer(rer). He’s on the field, every single Sunday, contributing in some way. As a rookie, why wouldn’t he be sniffing the turf from the sidelines, then?

Now, I will point out that Moala, while not a first rounder, is finally contributing (sorta), but at least he’s out there right now.

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by RockyRippleColtsFan on Dec 6, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Reggie shouldn't be on this list

he should have jumped for that first pick and broken up the pass on the deep ball, terrible effort, sucks that after that he then tries extra hard and catches 14

by PeytonIsGOAT on Dec 6, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I totally agree

with your point about Christiansen and Metzelaars. If they do NOT have the backbone to stand up and call out players they SHOULD NOT BE THERE That is the coaches job. If they can’t do it, FIRE THEM.

At this point I honestly think both those guys should be gone at the end of the season is Peyton is doing their job. That is a terrible situation to put Peyton in.

If not for injuries I think we would be winning our division but are putrid offensive line would get us kicked out in the first round.

Everything else we can work with, but a line that can’t protect Peyton is something this team CANNOT accept.

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by bluegirl on Dec 6, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I'm probably a sissy boy homer, but......

I bet the Colts every week, even against my better judgement. Why? Because I have been a Colts fan since 1962 and haven’t ever jumped off the bandwagon. I’m either a loyal SOB, or a retard. 10-6 still makes the playoffs, and maybe even wins the division. Yeah, these losses suck, and bitch about this and that will continue with the losses, but all it takes to make that go away is to turn it around. Which I believe is highly possible. Maybe we get a story book, and everybody not on IR gets back and Sanders blows up the remainder of the season and thru the playoffs ala 2006. This is our team, like it or not, and I will continue to back ‘em hard. I’m just thankful I’m not loyal to Carolina. Excuse me now, I have to stick pins in my Jacksonville dolls.

by tim55 on Dec 6, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

BRADY'S BETTER

BRADY HAS NEVER HAD A SEASON LIKE THIS AND HE LOST BRANCH IN 2006 AND MOSS THIS YEAR.

by g7on on Dec 6, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

he is a jets fan

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 6, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Now

He’s banned.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i meant I'm a Pats fan, asking someone on a Peyton Manning worship site to not post comments offending those worshippers.

That sort of stuff could get us all banned

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by insertscreenname on Dec 8, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Brady gets 7 seconds to throw the ball…his O-line can also run block…it kind of helps when you have those things going for you….

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by Z.Pain on Dec 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He clearly has nothing better to do than hate on the Colts

If you look at his profile, all he does is comment on Stampede Blue, and vote for whoever beat us on “victory of the week” type things.

Obvious troll is obvious, BBS. Please ban this fuck.

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by etid5353 on Dec 6, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Done

I warned him twice before. Now, he’s gone. Sorry for the disturbance folks.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing to see here...

…but do we have to get back to our lives?

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 6, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, are you giving up BJ's to BBS or something?

There has to be SOME reason why you aren’t banned.

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by etid5353 on Dec 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Your point about 2006

is valid, but Brady had worked it out with his receivers by the end of the year. Give manning the same amount of time (longer than the 6, 7 weeks so far that he’s had with no Clark, Collie, Addai, etc) and they will be pretty much on the same page.
The two are so similar, declaring one over the other to be the better QB is ridiculous. Arguments can and are made for both sides everywhere.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 6, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

if special teams can have more players

like taj smith who did an amazing job then that problem is solved and it doesn’t matter who the hell the colts get as KR no blocking = no holes = start behind the 20…the season does look lost but then again it’s hard to count the colts out

by drake89 on Dec 6, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Injuries have been good for Colts' future

I know it sounds weird but injuries have helped expose the festering problems the Colts started having last year. Without them the problems were easier to overlook. Lack of a running game, poor O-line play, bad drafting, awful special teams and bad coaching were easy to ignore when Manning compensates so heavily and Caldwell gets Dungy’s team to a SB on auto-pilot. The result was Polian and/or Irsay not taking these problems seriously in the off-season. Injuries have made them impossible to overlook.

by cmbeck82 on Dec 6, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

This.

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by Chopaholic on Dec 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

With Garcon doing so well in the first half

I was getting annoyed in the second half he wasn’t getting thrown to. I don’t think he got looked at at all in the second half. The last pass thown his way was at 04:21 left in the 2nd (I looked it up)
 With them covering Reggie with a CB and Safety help I would hope that Garcon could get open and make the catch for big gains and/or enough to start making the safety loosen up on Reggie, Cause the Cowboys were playing a lot of single high coverage vs our spread sets.

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by 7_Painter's_First_Fan on Dec 6, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

BBS

Are you going to finally admit that Vince Young played better than Peyton Manning this season? There is something wrong with Manning this season even if you adjust for injuries. It’s not a good trend when David Garrard, Vince Young, and Matt Cassel have better seasons than you.

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

This is a joke, right?

Vince Young was benched for the 1,000th time this year before he got hurt, again. When Vince Young wins a playoff game, call me (let alone four MVPs and a ring).

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Doesnt change the fact that Vince Young is having a better season than Manning and had a better winning percentage. You can keep denying the facts, but your whipping boy was better than Manning this year and by a good margin. Who cares who had the better career, at this point manning is playing like shit and worse than the players you constantly rip for being bad. If Young is awful, what does that make Peyton Manning this year?

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

mikej62

Seriously, are you, like, 14 years old or something? Vince Young might not even be in Tennessee next year. These posts offer nothing to this article. Stay on subject or comments start getting deleted. I’m responding to you now to save you from the onslaught of people who would likely laugh in your face if you uttered this lonely opinion in public.

Vince Young is immature garbage. Peyton Manning is the best QB of his generation. Thank you for posting.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 6, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of ironic that you are calling someone else immature. My point is that you constantly say that Vince Young sucks and he was benched, yet the benched Vince Young has played better than Manning by a clear margin. You can keep denying it, but the facts are facts. What does that make Manning? He is clearly part of the problem in the last 5 games. Who cares if he is the best QB of his generation (which he is). What matters is that right now, he is a liability to the team and you keep making excuses. The only reason you even might acknowledge Manning’s decline is the injury BS. 11 INT in the last 3 games is inexcusable. If Vince Young had half that total, you would say he played awful. If Manning has that total, there are plenty of excuses.

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If Vince Young was quarterbacking for the Colts ensemble

yesterday against the Cowboys, the score would have probably have been about 80-6, in favor of the Cowboys. Young is a joke. Manning has about 2 downs per possession to make something happen. Since the defense knows that there is zero running game, they’re playing the pass. It’s common sense that when the defense knows what you’re going to do to move the ball, they can defend it better. Adding to the mix…. many starting receivers are injured and the offensive line sucks beyond belief, providing Manning very little protection. This is not a good combination. Of course, more interceptions are going to result, than normal. I’d like to see how any other quarterback would hold up with no running game, a horrible offensive line, and back-up receivers. Think about it.

by Ayrshire on Dec 6, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You mean the same Vince Young who won at Dallas who had Tony Romo at the instead of losing to the Dallas led team with Jon Kitna. The same Vince Young who lead his team to 34 points against Dallas without giving Dallas 14 points like Manning did. The same Vince Young who had a 97 Passer rating 2 TD, 0 INT (emphasis) vs. Dallas back when Dallas didn’t quit on its season. I doubt that Tennessee’s line is that much better than Manning’s and the pass blocking wasn’t a problem yesterday. Manning had the time, he just made bad decisions unlike the other games where the pressure caused INT’s. Manning’s receivers are still better than Young has. Wayne is light years better than Kenny Britt. Garcon is just as good as the Titans other receivers.

We don’t want to admit, but when guys are getting benched and criticized heavily are playing better than Manning and we aren’t admitting it, there is something wrong. Facts are that Manning’s 13 INT in the last 4 losses was a big reason for the losses.

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

From Pro-Football-Reference.com

Stats are thru week 12, as pro-football-reference.com has not updated for Week 13 results.

Peyton Manning: 12 G, 353/534 PA, 66.1 Comp%, 24TD-15INT, 3079 Yds – QBing a team with a leaky front five, no running game, and against defenses who know that they can safely drop seven or eight into coverage on second and third down.

Vince Young: 9 G, 93/156 PA, 59.6 Comp%, 10TD-3INT, 1255 Yds – QBing a team with a front five that run blocks a hell of a lot better than they pass block, apparently, a running game that features Chris Johnson(!), and facing defenses that have to respect the run because of CJ.

Using his stats to date, you could extrapolate a line of 120/200 PA, 13TD-4INT, and about 1600 Yds through 12 games so that we can get a better idea of where the two QBs stand in relation to one another. Now if you can look at those lines and honestly say that you’d much rather have Young than Manning at quarterback for your team, you lose all credibility in football discussions in my eyes.

Indeed, it seems that the only basis for your argument for Young having a “much better season” than Manning is the touchdown-to-interception ratio disparity. Which admittedly just got worse in a week where Young didn’t play, and Manning got victimized by 4 picks to, what was it? Two TDs?

Also, I am of the belief that Jon Kitna is a better QB than Tony Romo anyway, irrespective of whatever mobility issues Kitna has in relation to Romo.

Garcon is as good as the Titans’ other receivers? Are we talking about the same butterfingered Garcon who has dropped almost as many passes as he has caught? Does that mean I can trade you Garcon for Nate Washington straight-up, and you’d think that you ripped me off?

Also, I think we are all seeing what this offense looks like with no Dallas Clark, no Austin Collie, and no Joseph Addai: Not very good. If you cannot appreciate what the loss of these valuable pieces of our offense are doing to Peyton’s stats, you again lose all credibility in my eyes.

In short: Crack kills, dude. So put down the pipe, and go sit at the kiddie table while grown folks who know a little something about the game of football have a conversation.

Thank you in advance.

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by Chopaholic on Dec 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In what world is Jon Kitna better than Tony Romo? You lose your credibility with that statement. This is the same Jon Kitna with a career 77 passer rating, 6.7 YPA, and 163-159 TD:INT ratio compared to Romo’s 95.5 rating, 8.0 YPA, and 118-62 TD:INT ratio. There is no argument for Kitna being better than Romo whether it is career, this season, or a better QB right now (assuming no injury for Romo).

“Indeed, it seems that the only basis for your argument for Young having a "much better season" than Manning is the touchdown-to-interception ratio disparity. "

It’s not just TD-INT ratio. It’s the huge disparity in YPA between the 2 (over 1 yard). The difference between Young and Manning is about the same as the difference between Manning and Matt Moore. It’s not good when you are closer to Matt Moore in YPA than Vince Young.

You can keep denying the facts, but Young was having a better season than Manning. The TD-INT ratio, YPA, rushing numbers all say so.

It’s not like Nate Washington is a good WR. He has always been a 3 or 4 WR in his career. You can make the argument he is better than Garcon or that they are close, but that doesn’t change the fact that Reggie Wayne is so much better than Kenny Britt that it makes the argument irrelevant. Or that Collie is better than the Titans 3rd receiver or that 1/2 season of Clark and 1/2 season of Tamme is a lot better than the TE that the Titans have. The only thing in your favor is the Titans rushing game. Please tell me how many people would take the Titans offensive supporting cast over the Colts offensive supporting cast?

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You're totally missing the point.

I was saying that if you plug in Vince Young to the Colts’ supporting cast, the results wouldn’t be nearly as good as Peyton’s performance, even considering the interceptions. We’ll never get to see ole Vince, with no running game, 2 seconds to throw, and that many back-up receivers, will we?

by Ayrshire on Dec 6, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

Let me get this straight. You are arguing that Vince Young, who plays for the Titans, who currently have a worse record than the Colts is having a better year than Peyton Manning?

This is classic. I hope you don’t get banned so I can continue to laugh at your mindless remarks.

by 88steve on Dec 6, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time I checked, the Titans had a 5-5 record when Vince Young went down which is the same win percentage of the Colts. Also the Titans have scored 6 points since Young’s injury.

by mikej62 on Dec 6, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

For the most part, a good article

but what I found rather revealing was the info about Christiansen and Metzelaars. If this is true, those two need to be gone. How can we expect to have a winning team if the coaches don’t hold the players accountable? That’s not Peyton’s job, he has much more to do.

Dallas Clark: Some tight ends catch. Some block. Clark just owns.

by Sir Sci on Dec 6, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Run Defense and Defensive Tackles

Yes, we gave up 217 yards rushing on 46 carries, which looks bad. However, 60 of those yards were gained on a QB scramble and 2 outside pitches to T. Choice. Take those 60 yards out of the equation, and you have 157 yards on 43 rushes. That is a 3.65 YPC average. I would say that the DT’s are doing a pretty good job, and the LB’s blew a few key plays.

by ProfBeerMan on Dec 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Specific things I did not like from the game

1. Peyton seemed to completely disregard the right side of the field in the 4th quarter and much of the 2nd half.

2. Peyton insists on throwing a ton of out routes, and these are the plays that have gotten picked off for 6 because it becomes so much more difficult for your offensive players to turn into defenders in this instance. These are such risky throws, especially when you give inexperienced receivers option routes (White) to run and there are blatant miscommunication.

3. Peyton got a good amount of time from his O-line in the second half….one thing that he has gone away from is the pump-fake…I really noticed how effective this was on the TD strike to Reggie…a small pump had the safety bite towards the middle and this gave Reggie just enough separation to get open for the TD. I understand that he is used to getting hit and he has no confidence in the O-line to afford a pump fake, but I think the 2nd half was a pretty good showing by the 5 big guys in pass protection.

I think this gets turned around, but from here on out, we need guys to start playing flawlessly…if Peyton is going to have to throw as much as he has been, we need to start going with max protect on early downs…since we can’t pick up 5 yards on the ground, we need to start utilizing safe underneath routes, more RB screens and making sure to pick up at least 4-5 yards on first down…the 2nd and long situations are where defenses can start to get into their nickel and dime against us cuz they know we are not going to get anything on the ground even if they have 5/6 Defense Backs…this makes it ridiculously difficult to pass the ball.

Peyton is having to do it all…and honestly, I am surprised the guys arm hasn’t fell off considering the number of time he puts the ball up. He needs to shake this slump off and get back to being the High IQ QB we know and then I am confident we can make a playoff run!

"I’m very fast. I’m like Forest Gump except... I am not an idiot." - Michael Scott

by Z.Pain on Dec 6, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Oh and also...

STOP THROWING THE EFFIN BUBBLE SCREEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!! Sorry for the CAPS, but this did really piss me off last night.

"I’m very fast. I’m like Forest Gump except... I am not an idiot." - Michael Scott

by Z.Pain on Dec 6, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

…those screens were one epic fail after another. Dallas’ sniffed them out each and every time.

by The Learned Hand on Dec 6, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Peyton is to blame. But Reggie lost the game in overtime. Period.

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by RockyRippleColtsFan on Dec 6, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

One thing no one seems to be talking about:

Didn’t it seem like the Cowboys faked, like, ten injuries? I mean, come on, they were outright cheating, right? How many times did they slow, or try to slow, the offense by grabbing hammies and ankles and all that nonsense? Why didn’t Buck and Aikman call that stuff out?

I've always considered writing the most hateful kind of work ... I suspect its a bit like fucking, which is only fun for amateurs. -Hunter Thompson

by RockyRippleColtsFan on Dec 6, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

Aikman's a former Cowboy.

I don’t think he’s about to call out his former team, under any circumstances.

by Ayrshire on Dec 6, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The did it 3 Times that I noticed.

Ive noticed its generally after a First Down, Its never a ‘Key’ player. the player is in after 3 or 4 plays, often seen running up and down the sidelines directly after the ‘injury’

by sandtiger812 on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think the comp committee would have to address this in some way...

…not just for the Colts, mind you, but for the entire league.

I've always considered writing the most hateful kind of work ... I suspect its a bit like fucking, which is only fun for amateurs. -Hunter Thompson

by RockyRippleColtsFan on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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