Bill Polian Admits Drafting Jerry Hughes Over Rodger Saffold Was A Mistake
While listening to the Bill Polian Radio Show tonight, it was just kind of the run-of-the-mill show after a loss. Polian explained some things that went wrong, the general mood of the team, how the team will bounce back on the short week, etc. Then, with about 10 minutes to go in the show, a caller asked him about the big discussions on 1070 The Fan all day, about whether the Colts should have taken an OT in the draft last season. I don't have the quotes yet (posted tomorrow), but I'll paraphrase what he said:
When we did our evaluations on Saffold, we felt he would be a Right Tackle, and we really liked Hughes, so we drafted Hughes. In hindsight, however, we should have taken Saffold. He's been great this season. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Again, those aren't exact, but he made his intentions very clear. My mouth dropped when I heard that, and immediately had the following thoughts:
- Polian clearly doesn't think RTs should be taken that high in the draft. The Packers used a pick in the low 20's to take Bryan Bulaga, who was also going to be a RT.
- Is he using this as motivation to the underachieving Hughes, who hasn't done much of anything all year, other than a couple good plays in the Texans MNF game?
- That's really early to be making that kind of statement. Saffold's faced very few elite DEs as of yet.
Also, earlier in the show, he talked about how much he missed on Tony Ugoh, so I'm thinking that decision weighed heavily in the Saffold/Hughes decision. Ugoh was projected to be a LT, so it makes sense why he was willing to give up a first round pick for him. As it stands now, it really sucks if he was trigger shy on taking an OT, especially a RT.
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also said that while the O-line played “sub-par” in the super bowl, he had no way of anticipating they would not rebound as a group going in to this season, he certainly did not anticipate that, or he might’ve drafted differently. When i look at Hughes college tapes, I see a very very raw talent. he cant tackle! And I scratch my head. Who in heavens name called that pick?
Hughes over Saffold
Makes some sense but letting Lilja go and not drafting a tackle or getting one in free agency makes no sense.. so Peyton essentially got screwed this year..
by Memphis Red Dogs on Dec 6, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions
I still like the Jerry Hughes pick but...
…lets be honest here. Everyone and their mother was screaming for Polian to draft some offensive line talent. Even Polian himself criticized the group for underachieving in one of the biggest games in this franchise’s history.
So why not draft the talent if it is there and is needed? I don’t get it. I realize we needed more depth at DE, but depth isn’t created from the 1st pick in the draft. Depth is created from later picks.
Why would you draft a MLB in the second round when you just signed your veteran for a few more years? Don’t get me wrong, I love Pat Angerer, but he was still going to be there in the 3rd round.
This is what Polian has been doing the past serveral years. Drafting guys that are destined to be backups on the roster. There is no need to add depth at the WR/RB/DE positions when you have quality players already there.
Some free agents worth getting even right now
Kynan Forney and Keydrick Vincent
COLTSFTW
by Nathan Brummett on Dec 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions
Off-subject,
but the Jets are getting beat 45-3. I guess someone will have to tell Rex Ryan that his team isn’t better than the Pats, afterall.
Maybe he's getting nervous?
No, I don’t think so either.
A terrible mistake.
This team didn’t need Jerry Hughes, when you have Freeney and Mathis on the line, players like Hughes are going to be irrelevant, Im not calling him a bust or even a disappointment, he has barely seen the field this year, but once he steps on; he looks real promising.
I’ve seen the Colts do a few DE rotations by letting Keyunta Dawson come on while Robert Mathis or Dwight Freeney takes a rest, I though this would be a good time to try out their shiny new 1st Rounder, Dawson sucks already and I’ll put my entire paycheck that he’ll be gone next season (hopefully Daniel Muir leaves with him).
For the record, maybe Bill Polian will learn from his mistakes and draft Offensive Lineman next year, when you have the best QB in NFL history behind center, you do what ever it takes to protect him, point blank.
Colts fan since Tony Dungy's 48th Birthday.
to be fair
we lost the super bowl last year because we couldn’t get pressure on brees in the second half, and that was because of freeney’s injury. More depth at DE was needed, and most people agreed on that, but yes, i certainly agree with your last paragraph.
by jkarwin54 on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that must have been polian's reasoning
for drafting hughes, and i know many people have supported that reasoning but honestly, it’s flawed logic.
yes, during the biggest game of the season last year, we failed largely because we only had two decent defensive ends – and one was hurt. clearly we needed depth at the DE position
but you don’t use a first round pick to add depth behind your two pro bowlers, in case we make it back to the super bowl and one of them is hurt.
your first round pick is someone you want on the field contributing, if not starting, during their rookie season (exceptions might be for QB’s). this is basic football, basic draft strategy, something any 12 y/o who’s ever played a franchise on madden can tell you.
i know i’m hardly shedding light on some amazing insight, but clearly polian didn’t realize this so apparently it’s not as common sense as i’d like to think.
maybe this statement he made today is reason to believe next season’s draft will be different. at least we’re looking at a higher draft pick!
i agree with jkarwin, and you a little too -- an elite 3rd pass rusher would be worth it
but not a project. Since our D is predicated on pressure, we do need those kind of guys badly. In the past our DEs have been semi-snakebitten. They’ve been in remarkable health or we might already have seen more of Hughes.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
We needed another pass-rushing DE...
At the end of the first round you are not going to get a complete pass-rushing DE – they are taken in the top 10. Of course he is a project, and Indy was the perfect place for him to be drafted. A place where he could learn from 2 Pro Bowl DE’s a be given time to develop his game.
The offensive line was good enough last year to take us to the Super Bowl and 14-0…
I do not think Polian expected Saturday to start the season injured, for Terry, Alleman, and especially Ugoh to not make the line-up. The club’s faith in Ugoh to develop has been a killer, but when you have a guy who has all of the physical tools to play the position, what do you expect? Just dump after one season…uh, no.
We lost to the Chargers 2 years in a row and to the Saints in the Super Bowl, because we did not have a pass rush – plain and simple.
Sure, the line is struggling right now, but as noted in the article, hindsight is 20/20. I am sure the Chargers would like to redo drafting Ryan Leaf, the Browns with Tim Couch, and us with Tony Ugoh.
Finally, in the losses to the Patriots, Eagles, and Cowboys we had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win it. If Peyton does not throw a pick at the end of each of those games, and we win, nobody is talking about this.
I follow you PBM%... except it is possible to get that elite pass rusher late...
say, like the 5th round (Robert Mathis, anyone?). I think #92 will be fine in time.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
Mathis was a project too.
Mathis did not come into the league as a Pro Bowl DE, he developed into one. We were just patient because he was a 5th rounder and not a 1st. But, he also wasn’t playing behind 2 (TWO!) Pro Bowl DE’s.
i don't disagree. I'm glad we have Hughes... but I'd like at least 3 OL in 2011 Draft
though Mathis did have to start out behind Freeney and Brock, who was pretty formidable and savvy as a 7th round pick (cut by philly) in his first year.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
Polian had already waived Lilja when the draft happened.
If the line was good enough to take us to the Super Bowl last year and you remove a starter from the line wouldn’t it make sense to make a move that gets something CLOSE to a starter in that location? You don’t bring in scrubs cut from other teams and hope they pan out when you are a Super Bowl team. Polian claims to not want to draft for need and always go BPA. I agree with it to a point, but when you call out the line for losing the Super Bowl, I think, he should have made that more of a priority.
I do think Hughes will be a good player, but spending a first rounder on a project when there is a GAPPING HOLE protecting you FRANCHISE seems stupid to me. First rounders need to come in and produce.
Bleedin' Blue for as long as I can remember. Can you believe we get to be fans while our team has the greatest QB of all time?!?!?!
Bringing in Scrubs...humm...
Terry was a starter, when healthy in Baltimore, and all signs pointed to him being healthy again. Alleman situation was very similar to Lilja’s, coming out of KC. And, the team had not lost ALL faith in Ugoh at that point. This is, IMHO, is the real reason we did not draft a T, because we thought Ugoh would either get “it” at LT or move to LG. It didn’t happen, for whatever reason, and it is haunting us.
However, every Colts fan knows what happens to this team when we cannot rush the passer. Hughes is a project, but it is a position that we MUST have. Peyton can help hide problems for the O-Line, there is NO way to hide a defense that cannot rush the passer. Please, do not bring up blitzing – you still have to win one-on-one match-ups when you blitz or it doesn’t work.
My major gripe with the O-Line this year is less about personnel, and more about coaching. We started the year with Pollak and Richard, went to Pollak and DeVan, then to DeVan and Linkenbach, and at the end of the Dallas game we were back to Pollak and Richard (after switching numerous times during the game). The best game of the year for the O-Line was against the Giants, with Pollak and Richard, but we went away from it. I don’t get it. Everyone talks about the importance of consistency for an O-Line, and we purposely created inconsistency.
(This has also happened with the LB’s, but there have been numerous injuries here, so I will give this a pass. However, we still played with 5 different LB’s on Sunday.)
No one was saying this in 2007 when Freeney went down and the Colts couldn’t muster a pass rush to save their collective lives.
Hughes is the future, not the present. I really wish people would understand that.
You should read 12th Horseman. Do it.
I also have Twitter.
Hughes is Insurance Policy - Not just the future.
Albeit an expensive insurance policy, but Freeney has not finished the last 3 years healthy.
And, yes people were saying this in 07, just not the “pundits”. People were also saying it in 08 too!
We have to be able to rush the passer and win one-on-one match-ups. You cannot win in the modern NFL, if you cannot rush the passer with just 4 guys. Blitzing works when you can win one or two one-on-one match-ups. If you send 5, and one or two of those 5 can’t beat their man one-on-one, then you get shredded in the secondary.
Giants won a Super Bowl with a Cover-2 and three or four active (and useful!) DEs
Strahan, Tuck, Umenyiora, LB/DE Kiwanuka. It’s not like having depth is a bad thing…
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Hindsight is always 20/20??????
Not when you knew you needed linemen going into the draft dumb fuck. Seriously, Polian is such a piece of shit to fire off at the O-line after the Super Bowl loss then do nothing about it.
settle down
there’s no need for name calling. Your argument would sound better without the attacks. Let’s try to keep it civil
^ This...
…I swear, the frequency by which otherwise normal people hop behind a keyboard only to act like Neanderthals is unreal…
by The Learned Hand on Dec 7, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
For a Doctor, you use very poor language.
Again, for those of you who do not bother to actually examine the team both past and present; we did bring in players to try to improve the O-Line. Guys who had been in the league, shown some promise (or, in the case of Terry, STARTED), but they did not work out. It happens.
This is what Polian did know – that the team needed another passing rushing DE. Why, because, if Freeney is not hurt in 07, 08, or in the Super Bowl, those games turn out very differently, and Manning (and the rest of the team) might have 2 or 3 rings by now!
it coulda been Peyton: The Fingeria of Jewelry
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
poor language for a doc? That's nothing. You should see OBGYNSupreme type
just razzing ya, OGspreme, though I swear sometimes you’ve got the keyboard in a breach position.
Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important. -- Eugene J. McCarthy
by zherebyonki on Dec 7, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly....
I’m amazed to see this admission. I can think of NO other year where Polian would admit something like this. He is and always has been a spin guy. Crazy to see an admission like that. If he knew Lilja was going, he should have adjusted draft strategy. We are seeing the fallout from that now.
Bleedin' Blue for as long as I can remember. Can you believe we get to be fans while our team has the greatest QB of all time?!?!?!
I'm still a fan of the Hughes pick...
…as it is easy to look back at the draft and see a new course of action. Shoulda. Coulda. Woulda. Sure, the offensive line was criticized last off-season but, come on now, there is no one alive who could have foretold the sheer awfulness of Indy’s offensive line.
I am shocked not at the Hughes pick, but at Polian’s “admission” (I’d still like to see the actual quote…things seem to get taken out of context around here) that drafting Hughes was a mistake. If 100% accurate, talk about showing the kid a complete lack of confidence.
by The Learned Hand on Dec 7, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions
Learned Hand
Totally unnecessary comment, especial in the second paragraph. Lots of people heard Polian make the admission on the radio. Matt’s ‘quote’ is fairly accurate to what he said. If you don’t believe Matt, or suspect we are misrepresenting Polian’s quote (even though many others heard the same thing and took away from it the exact same sentiment) please do us a favor and stop commenting. Passive aggressive attacks like this, with veiled suggestions that Polian’s words were mis-represented, has no place here.
Consider this warning.
Also, you’re saying ‘no one alive who could have foretold the sheer awfulness of Indy’s offensive line.’ Our site were saying, way back in April, that the failure to address the o-line in the 2010 NFL Draft would hurt this team. And it was obvious by September that this group was the worst o-line of Manning’s career.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue and editor of SB Nation Indiana.
The man..
Just wants clarification on the quotes, what’s wrong with that? He made a valid point about that interpretation that he linked to, but still had enough confidence in them to post his opinion.
Compared to the way that could have been said, I felt he was fairly reasonable. And it’s all well and good highlighting what you said in April, but every time you get something wrong you seem much more reticent to go back and mention it. Fair enough, you got something right, but even you didn’t realise it would be this bad. Noone could have.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to see the actual quote...
…or to get all the facts before I make a decision or form an opinion. Some people choose to jump in head-first with no questions asked. Others, like myself, choose first to check the water’s depth. Nowhere did I say your writer was wrong, or intentionally misrepresenting the words coming out of Polian’s mouth. I did not, nor ever do, listen to Polian’s radio show; consequently, I refuse to hang my hat on a mere paraphrase. Additionally, the only part of my above comment that could be deemed unnecessary is the parenthetical. Yet, go back and reread Pat McAfee’s reaction to that article, or the comment section as a whole. The whole thing was taken out of context by everyone. Words get misconstrued everywhere, not just on here or other Internet sites, as all we see are words with no emotion or non-verbal cues. It happens, BBS.
Now, to the offensive line argument in your post. The first link is to just a bunch of draft grades, which you yourself say in the introduction that you “shrug [your] shoulders at them.” In arguing your point, you cannot now use these draft grades indicating Indy should have used the draft to shore up its offensive line when before you indicated your disdain for them. Moreover, nothing in the meat of the article suggests that this site was saying back in April that the offensive line needed to be addressed to avoid hurting the team down the road; all you wrote was an introduction to the grades and a shot at Mel Kiper, Jr.
Furthermore, I agree with you that by September it was clear this offensive line is the worst of Manning’s career. The argument, however, is not about looking back to September; rather, the argument is that no one in the Indy front office could have foretold that the offensive line had not shown its true colors prior to the draft. Way back when, this offensive line was bad, but it had not yet demonstrated it was “worst in Manning’s career” bad.
Consequently, I still support the Hughes pick, at least in the face of “hind-sight is 20-20” arguments.
by The Learned Hand on Dec 7, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
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There’s nothing wrong with seeing the ‘actual quote,’ I agree. But what you were suggesting in your comment is not something I appreciate. I won’t speak for Matt, but your comment suggested Matt mis-represented Polian’s comments. That kind of stuff does nothing to progress the discussion here. If you don’t think Matt accurately captured what Polian said, why are you reading our site in the first place?
Thank you for commenting.
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My take on this
Last year’s training camp was the first time I heard reports of our DTs blowing Saturday off the line of scrimmage, especially Dan Muir. I thought to myself, Saturday has had his issues with the Shaun Cody and Jamal Williams type of NTs but now, he is going to be aging and have more issues with NTs. Looking at this year, he has been beaten enough times. Polian referred to in his radio show yesterday about the middle 3 being disappointing. That means, he was taking a shot at Saturday, and rightfully so.
With an aging Saturday, and letting go of Lilja, if it was a project that we were interested in anyway picking late, why not bank on your late round magic to find another Mathis. We were not going to find a Freeney, IMO, at No.31. So, no point in trying to get a Mathis kind at No.31, IMO. If Polian was as good as they say he is, he would have found one in rounds 2, 3 or 4.
What they probably did not expect was that Jerry Hughes was available at No.31, I felt he would have been a good OLB candidate for Rex Ryan’s D but with Manning in mind, Rex went with Kyle Wilson.
Not only Saffold doing well with the Rams, I have seen some film of Jared Veldheer with the Raiders too, he is holding up just fine, we could have gotten him in round 2.
The last 2 drafts – if Polian got Lauranitis and Saffold, both the guys that the Rams got at the top of the second round, we would have been better prepared for transitioning from Gary Brackett and gotten a good left tackle thus moving Charlie Johnson inside, IMO.
We were not going to find a Freeney, IMO, at No.31.
Jared Allen was a 4th round, 126th pick; Osi Umenyiora was a 2nd rounder, 56th pick; Justin Tuck was a 3rd round, 74th pick; Mathias Kiwanuka was 1st round, 32nd pick. They’re still around.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 7, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Albert Haynesworth may become available today
Reportedly showed up hung-over for last Sunday’s game; will probably be cut today. At this point, why not rent him for rest of season?
by MadStork on Dec 7, 2010 10:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Polian called out the secondary
I missed beginning of show, but I thought it was interesting that Polian called out the secondary over the d-line considering we gave up +200 yards to a poorly ranked running team. Either he is thinking that we can’t cover the run if we can’t cover the pass, or that he doesn’t think we need to cover the run in order to win. I guess the secondary has an excuse? On the bright side, our losing streak has given us something to talk about other than making up controversies ; )
Both 1st and 2nd Picks were throwaways
resign a MLB for 33 million and you draft a MLB in the same offseason with a 2nd round draft? this would never had happened if Bill Polian was still alive, Hughes pick speaks for itself, unless we trade mathis or freeney after the season, and don’t rule that out…
Winning football
Its obvious to me that there are very few if any bloggers that have watched football for multiple decades. I saw the Colts dilema in 2008, what they would be like without Manning at his best (re: out all preseason). How many times has Dungy and even Caldwell said " the difference between winning and losing is miniscule" The reason for Colts success was Manning and Manning alone,,,game after game the Colts were outplayed in trenches but still won. This goes against all football logic. The great dynasties of the past all had exceptional lines. In my opinion it was just a matter of time before this would catch up with Colts and they would lose the tight games instead of winning them.
Hughes is a terrible pick because he is ONE DIMENSIONAL. This has nothing to do with hindsight,,I would say the same even if he was playing. QB pressure has to involve the middle of the line in addition to outside. Sacks are a very poor way to evaluate how good a team is in pressuring the qb. IE if Colts would have drafted a pass rushing defensive tackle on 1st round,,,I would have been satisfied.
Two points you failed to mention,,,,there were some very goot OT s still left after 1st round,,,why didnt Colts at least get one on second,,,especially since every posting I have read said Angerer would be available on round 3. Another point,,,,Polian mentioned the best OTs were drafted ahead of Colts,,,,, why didnt Colts trade up?
The Colts are a very flawed team because of Polian. They only aquire players thru draft
or by signing off practice rosters or unknown free agents. The 31 other teams also trade and purchase FA’s. Think of 2 pharmacutical companies starting out,,,one gets their scientists only by newspaper ads or internet,,,other one raids other companines and also hires headhunters in addition,,,,eventually which company would have superior scientists?
One other thing,,,,its been said that preseason is meaningless. I disagree. If a team every year is winless or 1 -4,,, it says their reserves and rookies are not as good as their competition. Colts have been fortunate enough until this year that quality of reserves havent effected their overall performance. This year is first true test…results speak for themselves.
The reason for Colts success was Manning and Manning alone,,,game after game the Colts were outplayed in trenches but still won.
Faulty logic: if the only thing the Colts have to do with win games is trot out Peyton Manning, then they’d win in 2010 because they are, well, trotting out Peyton Manning.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Your logic has no place here.
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by insertscreenname on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I can only hope and pray
that the Colts get Albert Haynesworth!!!!
































