The Colts' options at Left Tackle
Now that the Super Bowl is over and we're all starting to get past another tragic end to a Colts season, we can start to look ahead to the draft. By the way, the folks over at Mocking the Draft do this seemingly all year long, so what I'm about to say may not be that beneficial to the people who frequent or contribute to that site.
Anyway, I think all, or most of us anyway, can agree that the Colts need to draft a left tackle this April. It would accomplish a number of things.
1. Though Charlie Johnson did an admirable job in pass protection, where we were all so worried, he's not the most physical run blocker, and is more suited to playing inside, preferably as a backup. An interior line of him, DeVann, Lilja, Saturday and either Pollack or Richard (I doubt the Colts keep both) would be serviceable, and would mean the team doesn't necessarily have to go after Jeff Saturday's replacement just yet (especially if either Richard or Pollack actually start to develop).
2. Ugoh still has potential, as pissed as many of us are at him. If we get a real, legit left tackle, Ugoh could compete with Diem this camp at right tackle, thus negating the need for a right tackle upgrade through this year's draft. In the near future, Diem needs to be challenged or flat benched for someone better, and Ugoh has had very little chance to prove himself at right tackle, where he might be a more natural fit.
So you see, by drafting a starting-caliber left tackle instead of focusing on interior linemen or a right tackle, the Colts have more options with their other draft picks to address other needs (such as MLB, CB, kick returner and pass rushing DE depth).
The trouble, of course, is that most starting-caliber left tackles will be gone by the time the Colts draft, and we saw what happened when we tried to force a second round talent (Ugoh) into the starting gig. It worked for a year, but eventually fell all to crap. That can't happen again if the Colts want continued success in the pass game as Manning gets older and makes reads more slowly (yes, it will start happening folks). The run game could also use a boost. Here are the options of some potential viable starters, in order of least likely to be viable options to the Colts to most likely:
1. Bruce Campbell, Maryland-If Al Davis doesn't draft Campbell 8th overall and Seattle passes with its 14th pick, there's not a team with a glaring need at LT until Green Bay at 23 or Arizona at 26. One of those two teams will likely draft Campbell, and while it's highly unlikely, if the Colts like what they see they could attempt to trade up to get him. The Colts rarely trade up, but did it to pick Ugoh, and I wouldn't be opposed to doing the same to get Campbell. He's still a little raw-he doesn't have much starting experience-but isn't too big to play on the outside in the Colts speed-oriented offense, and is highly athletic with tons of upside. We'll know more about his stock following the combine, but it's possible he's a perfect fit. What would it take? Maybe our current first rounder, a mid rounder and our next year's first rounder (I say next year's instead of 2011 because, well, there may not be a 2011 season). Possible trade partners? Jacksonville at the 11th, if they don't want Derrick Morgan, would probably be receptive to a trade that brought them back the 31st pick (a safe place to draft Tim Tebow, since they don't have a second rounder). San Fran has two picks, and the 17th pick would get us ahead of the two aforementioned teams that would likely have interest in Campbell.
Likelihood: less than 10%. While I wish the Colts would make a big trade splash to acquire a franchise-type LT, Campbell's still unproven and they've been burned before on the O-line in the early rounds, so I doubt it happens. Again, we'll know more after combine.
2. Charles Brown, USC-I honestly think that if Charles Brown checks into the combine between 290-300 pounds he's going to get a long look from his former coach's team, Seattle, who at that point in the draft (the 14th pick) will likely be looking to pair a starting tackle with the QB they probably will draft 6th overall. The next team that could have interest is the Cards at 26th. I doubt the Packers bite, unless Brown is at least 315. Not likely, given he's a TE convert who's played for the last two seasons in the high 280 range. I don't like him as much as Campbell, because his lack of size could limit him in the run game against huge NFL linemen, but he's quick and very athletic. He'd be the obvious pick at 31 if he were still available, but I wouldn't trade up to get him. It all depends on his combine measurables. Even if he's slightly underweight, if he falls, the Colts have to draft him.
Likelihood: 30%. Most mocks have him going to the Packers or Cards, with a few having him going to the Colts. I really doubt he goes to Green Bay, who likes their tackles much heavier. Seattle though, could be the darkhorse to draft him, even if it's a slight reach.
3. Mike Iupati, Idaho-Iupati is the top-rated guard in this year's draft class, but he played both guard and tackle positions in college. I'm listing him here because there's a good chance he'll be available near the Colts first round pick. That said, at 330, and with sub-par footwork and trouble blocking in the second level (where most of the Colts successful draw plays end up) I doubt he makes any sense at left tackle, or even right tackle, in our system. He did struggle in the senior bowl too, which could drop his stock to the 31st pick where the Colts might take a look.
Likelihood: 30%. If Dallas doesn't draft him, Iupati will probably be available at 31. He'd strengthen up the interior line, for sure, but I'm not confident he's any sort of left tackle in the future, and he'd need a ton of refinement to replace Ryan Diem at RT.
4. Vladimir Ducasse, UMASS-Ducasse is one of those guys that looks perfect on paper, but he's got about as good of a chance at playing left tackle in the NFL as Iupati. He may be more talented than Iupati even, but he was unready for top competition in the senior bowl. His combine numbers could wow some people, and the Colts could consider him at 31, but he's more likely a mid-second round pick for a team who likes bigger O-linemen, and has room to let one grow.
Likelihood: 30%. I could see San Fran taking him in the second. The Colts would have to trade up in the second to get him and he doesn't fit well enough to justify it.
5. Selvish Capers, West Virginia-I really like this guy, and you don't hear much about him, but he's a lot like Charles Brown, in that he's an athletic former TE who projects to left tackle in the pros. Unlike Brown, he could use a lot more work, but physically he's got about 10 pounds on Brown, which is a really good sign. It's a shame Howard Mudd probably won't be back, because an off-season under Mudd may make him ready to start day one.
Likelihood: 50%. The Colts could be interested. If Capers impresses at the combine he might be a mid-second rounder, but unless they love what they see, or his stock just shoots through the roof, Indy won't spend that 31st pick on him. The ideal scenario would be Capers falling to the Colts' second round pick, or them being able to trade up in the third to take him.
6. Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale-Veldheer's huge and extremely fast. He supposedly runs a 40 in under 5 seconds, but he's 6'7 320ish. He'd automatically be the biggest dude on the entire Colts team, and scouts say he has the footwork and technique to pass protect. The big question mark is his college experience, against D-II competition. That's troubling. Also troubling is the fact that, if he shines at the combine, people will start talking about him in the second round, where he's clearly not worth the pick.
Likelihood: 60%. I could see the Colts taking him if he slips to the end of the third. Even then, I'm not sure he's a true left tackle, but still may be worth it as a Diem upgrade.
7. Jason Fox, Miami-Fox is big, athletic, technically sound, projects to left tackle and has a good college pedigree. He's a mid rounder right now, though, thanks to knee surgery, a history of lower leg injuries and a recent heart problem. Lots of concerns here, but he'd be a great value pick if the Colts can get him in the 4th.
Likelihood: 65%. The Colts would love Fox if his health checks out. They're not finding another tackle of his caliber later than the 2nd round, and there's a chance none of his health issues are serious. The heart thing worries me, obviously.
8. Ed Wang, Virginia Tech-Of all the LTs mentioned, Wang may be the best fit, and the best value pick. He's a former TE who can play either left or right tackle, he's got good college experience, and he runs a 40 with the best of them. I think he's a sleeper, and the type of player the Colts could target in the mid rounds.
Likelihood: 70%. Wang represents the type of player that could fit in immediately but won't cost a high draft pick to acquire. Considering what the Colts did with their 4th round pick last season, well, why not?
We'll know a lot more after combine. Obviously my "likelihoods" will change as we see who the Colts interview, and hear who they're interested in, and observe how stocks rise and fall. I think we can all agree, though, that it's going to be tough for the Colts to acquire a high-end, sure-thing left tackle in this year's draft, but it's very important that they address the position somehow.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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Great analysis, should help me follow up the draft a little better!!
nice getting us all in the drafting arena again with a great writeup to start it all off. (for those who are not doing draft things already)
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 10, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Draft position
I really want Russel Okung (not going to happen) or Bruce Campbell and I think we could use Bob Sanders in a trade to maybe trade up in the first round to get the guy we really want. Don’t get me wrong, I love Bob (just look at my name and avatar), but I think getting higher in the draft to get that elite LT would serve us better in the long run.
I dunno
I’m not sure Bob’s worth it for that high of a pick, coming off the injury and with his history. It’d be the ideal time to trade him financially, because another team would probably be attracted to his salary next year, and if it were a contender they could probably convince him to re-structure while there’s still no CBA. But then, a contender likely wouldn’t have the draft pick we’d want to get Okung. Anyway, I just don’t see a team taking that risk.
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Not bad...
Unfortunately, I think you are right about the LT prospects not being available in the 1st round. I have been building a case for Maurkice Pouncey in that spot. Not an ideal pick, but I don’t think DeVan or Pollack are long term solutions at RG and Pouncey is the top rated C in the draft as well. Eventual replacement for Saturday.
Not really a fan of several guys you mentioned: Campbell, Ducasse and Capers. They’re all workout warriors who don’t have the necessary technique. I would consider Campbell at #31, but the other two not before the 3rd round.
I would have considered Fox at #31 before the surgery. If we could get him at the end of the 2nd that would be a very solid pick. I would also consider Kyle Calloway at RT as a potential 2nd rounder.
I like Pouncey
And I don’t think he’s a reach at 31. I just think if you draft him you HAVE to draft an LT later, whereas if you draft an LT early you can build the interior line with what you have (CJ, Pollack/Richard and DeVan) and can spend your other picks in other areas, simply because apart from Charlie Johnson, there’s just no one on our team who can play LT, and CJ is probably better off playing inside or backing up (in my opinion). Same argument goes for Calloway, assuming Ugoh can compete to start at RT or at least backup RT (and I think he can). You draft Calloway, a RT-only type guy, and you still have to go out and get yourself an LT, then where are you?
I agree to an extent on Capers. I like him, and I think that he could be great with good coaching, but I think he’s going to turn heads at the combine (kind of like Veldheer) and he’ll end up being drafted too early. The Colts are too smart to bite on him before at least the end of the second. Campbell’s unproven too, and if he costs too much, I wouldn’t go for the trade-up. But of all of the guys in our range, I think he’s the closest thing to the real deal. Ducasse? Not so much, unless they could get him at the end of the third (not happening). I like Fox, but he’s too risky to take at the end of the second, in my opinion. He’d be a steal at the end of the third.
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I agree but...
I really don’t see a LT being available to us. I really think Johnson is best suited to play guard because he lacks the footwork to be a LT, but I would rather lock down an interior line spot rather than reach for a LT and end up with another Tony Ugoh. Johnson is at least servicable at LT, so if he has to play there again next year it isn’t the end of the world. I have no reason to think that Ugoh can play RT. His body is set up to be a LT, his technique and effort just suck. I don’t see him plowing many running lanes on the right side. That’s why I was leaning toward grabbing a RT in the second.
by invisibulman on Feb 10, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd ask
Where the hell have you been?
CJ is one of the most physical linemen on the team. And how in the world does he deserve to be a backup? He’s one of the better ones.
CJ is good at left tackle, although I still think he’s better suited to play at RT. Move him to RT and put Ugoh/Diem at RG or something of that sort. DeVan or Pollack are NOT solutions for RG.
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It's not a question of
how “physical” he plays, or how hard he tries, CJ literally lacks the anatomy to be a franchise LT. He’s got good technique. He’s got nice footwork. He holds blocks well in the passing game (partially due to Manning having eyes in the back of his head) but he’s simply not built to be an all-the-time NFL starter. He’s not athletic enough and his arms are too short, point blank.
Now, I’m not saying he’s not a better option than DeVan and certainly Pollack. I say give him the chance, and he’d probably outplay both of them at camp. I say CJ should “preferably” be a backup because really, Pollack’s an NFL guard (or should be) and DeVan’s got a year of experience starting at the position. They both ought to improve. They owe it to us. It’s just not likely that they will.
Any way it shakes out, CJ should make the team and get a starting spot at RG, with a chance for one of those other two to outplay him in camp. In a perfect world, Pollack would, but unfortunately he sucks and probably won’t make the team.
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I love Charles Brown
I think he is absolutely perfect for the Colts in every way. His technique is flawless, he’s got experience, he played in a great program, he’s got good size for the offense like you’ve said. McShay doesn’t have him going in the first round, but McShay has the mental capacity of a doorknob so I wouldn’t take that into account. I really hope that Bulaga falls to Green Bay.
Right now I think Seattle gets Clausen and CJ Spiller. It depends on if Jones is actually retiring. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Okung falls to them as well. If Pete Carroll starts messing up my NFL team I’m going to go insane.
CJ is a player who is decent or above average at many positions but isn’t great at anything. If the Colts low tender him and someone bites I would not be opposed to letting him go and taking the 5th (?) rounder.
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On Forsett. I doubt they think Spiller’s much of an upgrade. Besides, if they get Clausen or Bradford they’ll want a young OT to protect him for years to come. Brown just makes sense because of the USC thing. But I agree, I love the guy too. Wouldn’t call his technique “flawless” though. I’ve watched him a few times where he doesn’t seem to get really low enough on run plays, and that messes with his leverage. I assume it’s because he’s a TE-convert and he just needs practice and good coaching. But he’s way ahead of Campbell (just not as big…could be a problem if he’s around 288 where he’s at right now).
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Capers and Wang were awful at the senior bowl
I’m a little scared away from them right now.
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Yeah
I get the feeling Wang had a bad game and Capers just needs work. Like I said, if Capers had Mudd, he might be serviceable. But he might be another Ugoh, too. Looks like he won’t have Mudd, so he’s probably not worth the gamble. Wang’s got good pedigree and has had some moments, but remember, he’s only been playing the position for two years, also. Plus, how awesome would it be to have a jersey that said “wang” on the back…if only his number was 69.
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by LukeNukem on Feb 10, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree totally...
CJ is not the problem on the line…the right side is the issue. Diem is the issue. The Colts should not reach for a LT in this draft…DE is much more of a need area. There are a few that could be available that fit into the scheme. This team needs depth for when Freeney is not in the game.
I also feel that a replacement for Saturday should come from this draft…it is time to start working someone in now…my choice would be Olson from ND in the later rounds.
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Like Olsen
I like him a lot. We could get him in the 4th or 5th, but I stand by my position that there just isn’t anyone on the team who’s a good enough left tackle, so Olsen would only supplement our other line problems, while we have people on the team who could probably do the job just as well or better, at least while he’s a rook. Though he’s one of the few centers in this draft that I think could replace Saturday as soon as next year.
DE was my other big want. Brandon Graham is one I’d consider at 31 if Brown wasn’t available, but there are so few besides him in that draft range that would fit. Polian has proven time and again that when he picks this late in the draft, he rarely cares about who “should” have gone earlier, and just takes a guy that he wants and feels won’t be around for the next pick. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if most experts have Graham or some other rush linebacker or small, fast DE projected in the mid-second, and Polian takes him anyway.
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Totally agree about Graham...
I think he could be a beast in the Colts system!!!
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I guess I still don't get it...
I’ve heard several people now commenting on how we need a DE. I’m not sure I would name DE on a top 5 list of our needs… maybe not at all. I understand that we suck when Freeney is out of the game, but I don’t know how much value there is in drafting a guy who you know will only play 20% of the snaps. You want more than that out of a first day pick.
Colts Needs:
RT
LT or RG (assuming Johnson moves to guard if a LT is selected)
CB/KR
SS
ROLB? K? DT? I might put any one of those ahead of DE.
by invisibulman on Feb 11, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
But
We’ve exited the playoffs in two of the past three years in part because Freeney was either absent with an injury or wasn’t 100%. Yeah, I know, Drew Brees was killing our injured/sucky CBs with his three step drops and our pass rushers didn’t have a chance to get to him. But had we played press coverage more than just the first quarter, he’d have been forced into taking more 5 step drops, and eventually, Freeney would’ve got him a few times. We couldn’t play press coverage because out CBs can’t really cover, were injured, or both. So our pass rushers were screwed. Besides that, Freeney’s getting older, and he’s suffered multiple serious foot injuries. While I agree that a guy like Graham would only play 20% of the snaps this coming year, in the long run we’d be doing ourselves a favor by having him as a supplemental pass rusher and eventually a replacement for Freeney (if there is such a thing).
That said, I see where you’re coming from, which makes it hard to spend a first round pick on a guy like that, and I’ve expressed that sentiment in other posts.
In my opinion the needs are as follows:
1. LT
2. CB/KR
3. DE
4. C/RG
5. S (either strong or free, or one who could play either)
6. MLB
7. K (don’t underestimate a good kicker…look at this year’s playoffs, and also consider Vinatieri will probably be a financial casualty)
I’m not fond of Wheeler, but at WOLB you can’t ask for much more athleticism, he’s just got to stop whiffing on tackles and learn to cover a smidge. He’s got time to improve. I will NEVER be a proponent of this team drafting DTs in the early rounds. They seldom work out. And DTs in general, league-wide, seem to bust more than most positions.
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I'm with you on the whole DE argument
You saw it in the Jags game especially, and the Super Bowl – this D revolves around Freeney and getting pressure on the QB. Without him, the Defense looks different, in a bad way. I do think we need another corner too, to avoid the 10 yard cushions, but I’d like to draft half a dozen pass rushers and see who can wreak the most havoc on opposing QBs. I’d also like half a dozen offensive linemen to see if any can pass block AND run block.
Eh...
We’re not going to draft another Dwight Freeney, so why bother? The team would suck without Manning too, doesn’t mean we should draft a QB on the first day. I realize that’s a bit simplistic, but I want starters from our first day picks. Depth comes later.
by invisibulman on Feb 12, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Only problem with that
2 of the last 3 years, our Super Bowl dreams have been killed by our lack of DE depth.
Manning is never injured.
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by gizzardfanny on Feb 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
But we haven't had to watch them play w/out Manning
Not counting Jets/Bills. Peyton knows how to avoid getting hurt, whereas Freeney and Mathis don’t really have that luxury at their position. And w/them getting older, I’d say why not use a 3 man rotation? Keep them fresh and possibly avoid injury (specifically the kind that cost us Super Bowls).
And our 1st day picks last year were Brown and Moala, and neither are starting. Pollack and Ugoh (technically) the year before. And at the time they were supposed to be starters, yes, but are they now? Wish we would have gone w/BPA instead of reaching for a replacement. I think Graham would do well for us and make our defense a real force.
I LIKE our young CBS
But do see the value in a KR. He’d have to be able to at least backup somewhere else though. WR is stacked. RB is kind of deep…..
Okay, if Justin Snow can be listed as a TE, then I guess we can draft a CB/KR. Let’s not go cheap, though with a 5th rounder who might make it. Let’s look 2nd/3rd round. 5 more yards of field position on every possession is probably worth a couple points a game. Plus the odd TD now and then all on his own…..
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In my opinion
There are three possibilities in the second round:
1. Perrish Cox Oklahoma State-He’s my favorite because he’s actually got some size on him and was the number 1 corner for a team in a good conference, meaning he’s used to seeing top competition. Also a very good return man.
2. Javier Arenas Alabama-Great return guy, a little undersized and slow in the 40, but no moreso than Jerraud Powers. Looks like he’d be a great fit in our defense.
3. Kyle Wilson Boise State-One of the best return guys, average size and cover skills, but good enough upside that he might go in the first
I don’t think anyone has a problem with our young corners’ potential, but if you think about it we’ve only got three on the roster. Jennings will almost certainly get cut and Jackson will only be retained if he agrees to take a really cheap deal. That leaves Powers, Lacey and Hayden. All very good this year, when they were healthy. Hayden and Powers are both apparently injury prone. In my opinion we need TWO CBs in this draft. One in the 2nd or 3rd who can play KR, and one in the late rounds (especially if we have a compensatory pick in the 6th or so).
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Agree on DE comment, but
as we’ve seen BP doesn’t always go with conventional wisdom. Freeney is about to hit his thirties and Mathis is a free agent after next season. I also agree that OLine presents the biggest challenges going forward, just don’t know if any of the good ones will be left.
Personally my pick at 31 would be Chad Jones. Safety is not the biggest need on this team either, but at #31 I feel he has the chance to be the biggest star of anyone who could still be available. I also think he could outgrow the safety position and play linebacker, maybe even MLB.
Little early for Jones IMO
Not a bad player, but I would not consider him until the 2nd round. This is a very deep safety class and I think you can get a player just as good in round two with Burnett, Allen, Jones and Mays all going sometime around then.
by invisibulman on Feb 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
a little too early, but I think he shoots up the charts as Taylor Mays falls. Also wondering how good this guy will be now that he will be concentrating on football. He may end up outgrowing safety and move to LB. He is already as heavy as Brackett. Just think he will be a star.

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