Jason Cole vomits on keyboard, calls it an "article"
by Brad Wells on Feb 11, 2010 12:00 PM EST
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PrintHonestly, even Jets fans find this article dumb:
Before you send that email calling me crazy or mocking me only days after I wrote that Manning is the fourth-best quarterback of all time, let’s put this in perspective. It is impossible to truly measure Roethlisberger against Manning or Tom Brady(notes) just yet.
But, I, Jason Cole, am going to do it anyway because I've got a deadline and I have no interesting or thought-provoking ideas at at present. Instead, I'll just write an article stating Ben Roethisberger is better than Peyton Manning without any facts or numbers to back up the claim. Oh, did I mention I got paid to write this?
The bottom line is this: Roethlisberger is currently 8-2 in the playoffs, has two Super Bowl rings – including his great final drive against Arizona – and a quarterback rating of 87.2 in the playoffs. That includes his bad performance in the Super Bowl win against Seattle, a bad first half in a playoff loss to Jacksonville and a typically bad playoff game against New England in the 2004 playoffs when he was a rookie.
For Manning, he is now 9-9 in the playoffs over his 12-year career, has one Super Bowl win, is coming off a bad finish against New Orleans and has a quarterback rating of 95.5 in the playoffs. If you break down the stats further, you’ll note that the Colts have asked Manning to do a lot more (38.4 attempts per game) than the Steelers have of Roethlisberger (28.8 attempts).
But the bottom line is that Roethlisberger has succeeded (he was great in the 2008 playoffs and also in the 2005 playoffs before the Super Bowl against Seattle) and Manning has struggled.
Hmm, yes. Peyton Manning's QB rating in the playoffs is 95.5. Meanwhile, Ben's is 87.2. And even though Peyton has a better rating and performs better than Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs despite being asked to do more, Jason somehow feels Ben has "succeeded" whereas Peyton has "struggled."
I guess we'll also just, you know, forget about that Super Bowl against the Seahawks which saw Roethlisberger light up the stats with a QB rating of 22. I could go out on a football field on gameday, fart on the ball, and get a better rating than that. But, such numbers and statistics have no place in Jason Cole's theorem. Ben is a "winner" because his team "wins" even if he stinks up the joint. Meanwhile, Peyton Manning tosses a 95.5 QB rating in playoff games, which is better than both Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady, but he is "struggling."
I didn't get the chance to talk to Jason while at the Super Bowl, and I think that might have been a good thing. Articles like this are examples of the kind of lazy, sloppy writing I just cannot stand. I continue to maintain that Cole is stealing money from Yahoo! when he gets paid to write articles like this.
Oh, and before Steelers fans start getting all Mike Tunison on me, kindly know that I think Ben is a very good QB. However, I think I can state pretty confidently that most Steelers fans do not think Ben is better than Peyton. However, if some do, then they are are dumb as Jason Cole's article.
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First off, Manning's QB rating in the postseason is 87.9. Cole didn't even factcheck.
Secondly, that was the biggest steaming pile of fecid garbage ever written. Honestly, if the Colts won, Cole probably writes some Manning ball-wash column, now he’s no better than Roethlisberger.
I love Ben. He’s, in my book, the third best QB in the NFL, behind Manning and Brees (yeah, f**k you, Brady). He’s a better version of pre-Moss pre-Welker Brady. He’s not Manning. You think any coach is going for it on 4th and 2 against Ben? You think Seattle, or Arizona considered on-side kicking in their Super Bowls?
Playoff records are deceiving. In 2006 and 2009, Roethlisberger led teams that Manning would have easily led to the playoffs, but did not. He lost out on the opportunity to get bounced in the first round.
Ben has miles to go before he should be considered anywhere near Manning. The Roethlisberger/Brady argument is much better and much more comparable, as both won rings paying similar roles on their team, that gray-area right above “game manager”.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Yes.
Yes it was.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Calling Brady “just above” game manager is just as dumb as saying Roethlisberger is better than Manning. So look in the mirror before you start piling on Cole.
About the article,…I think he was trying to say Roethlisberger is more clutch in big games. Which he kinda is. Roethlisberger has the most game winning drives of any QB in 4th quarter and OT since 2004.
And you really need to stop with Ben’s first superbowl. He was 23 years old for God’s sake!! What was Manning doing at 23? You’re also conveniently forgetting that Big Ben had virtuoso like performances in all the playoff games leading up to the superbowl. If it weren’t for him the Steelers wouldn’t have even been there.
But if you want to bring up Superbowl XL with Ben,….atleast have the decency to bring up Superbowl XLIII in which he led the most memorable game winning drive in Superbowl history. Surpassing the likes of Montana and Elway. All in all,…if its the superbowl with 2 minutes left,…I’ll take Ben over Peyton any day.
by ismail on Feb 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
the point of the SBXL comments
are the silliness of equating team success with QB ability. It’s absolutely ridiculous to credit Ben for winning a Super Bowl when his team majorly carried him in that game.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Feb 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Steelers won two Super Bowls
Ben has played pretty well in the playoffs on average.
That is the fair assessment.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Feb 11, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Its not that ridiculous when you consider his playoff performance leading up to the Superbowl. I always get a kick out of people who say Ben isn’t the reason the Steelers have won 2 superbowls in the last 4 years.
The Steelers have had far better teams than our recent superbowl winners that never won anything. In 94, 95,97, 01. All these squads were dominant,..EXCEPT we didn’t have a quarterback. We draft Ben in 04 and we start winning superbowls in bunches after a 26 year drought. I think its obvious why we win superbowls. Big Ben!
So...when they win, it's Ben, but when they lose, it's someone else...
Sorry, but that type of arguement is too ESPN for my tastes…
by vintagephoenix on Feb 11, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
lol rite
"I definitely believe in destiny, and I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. We have been on the other side of this deal probably too many times. Maybe it's our time that we start catching some of the breaks, and start being the team that wins them like this in the end." -- Drew Brees
Sadly, no
I’m in Jakarta on a yearly contract.
I left days before the Super Bowl.
Thankfully, I’ve got dvd’s en route so I can watch them.
No good channels to watch over here, though I do get entertainment from watching Indonesia’s version of Cheaters. The men and women might be speaking Bahasa, but hate is truly universal. What a great show.
"I definitely believe in destiny, and I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. We have been on the other side of this deal probably too many times. Maybe it's our time that we start catching some of the breaks, and start being the team that wins them like this in the end." -- Drew Brees
Cole is an idiot with a long history of poorly written Colts related articles.
clutch is about as real as karma.
As a Steeler’s fan your opinion means nothing to me.
by vintagephoenix on Feb 11, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm calling Brady a "step above a 'game-manager' "
during his Super Bowl years, which I think is fair, at least for 2001 and 2003.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Brady's last minute drives in his first two Super Bowls
to get the team within field goal range, especially in 2001, were more than the actions of a ‘game-manager’. The defense absolutely was a huge factor in those games, but he still had to make those drives and he did.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont know, and frankly dont care
I think Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady, and in my mind, its not open to debate. I don’t begrudge you from feeling differently, some people think communism is great.
My bigger point would be: Each and every one of Peyton Manning’s mistakes are magnified because his defense wont get a 3 and out and give him the ball right back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
There's a difference
between saying Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady (which I refuse to engage in right now) and saying Brady is one step above a game manager.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
How’d the Patriots do in 2008?
How’d they do in 2009?
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
sorry
that was unfair. I know that before 2007 all Patriots fans cared about was ‘winning’ and thats what made Brady great, but when Matt Cassel leads you to more wins than Brady, we gotta re-prioritize.
Thats unfair, too.
I’m menstruating.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
you know the answer to that... what's your point?
that the Patriots had an unexpected talent in backup QB Matt Cassel, who turned out to be an NFL-caliber starting QB? That the Patriots’ offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels did an outstanding job that he’s now a head coach in Denver? That Brady had his 2nd best year statistically of his career in ’09 but the team as a whole had a lot of other problems? What?
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my point is im a dooosh bag, I guess.
Patriots fans keep changing the rules to the game, so I have a hard time keeping up.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
not sure what your comment means
but I vigorously disagree with your subject heading.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my point is this:
When Brady was putting up ‘mediocre’ stats, but winning, stats didnt matter. Only wins and good looks did. Now that Brady looks like a diva and isn’t winning, but is putting up a ton of stats, that’s what matters.
Peyton Manning doesn’t put up stats because he hates winning. He doesn’t put up stats so he can be in the record books. He doesn’t put up stats because he wants the world to suck his ear lobes.
He does what is asked of him to win the game.
I’m sure you’ll come back and said, ‘thats all that Brady does, too!’. And I believe thats true. But thats not how Patriots’ fans portray him.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
and also
I keep being told by the MSM that brady needs to be canton bound because of THREE RINGS (they should change his name to that, imo… and now, at QB, #3, THREE RINGS Brady), yet Bruschi, Vrable, Harrison, Seymour, etc… aren’t put in the same class as him? That defense was one of the best ever. The coaching for that defense was amazing. It was never their super duper confusing schemes, it was their ability to pressure the QB without compromising backside coverage. But none of that gets credit. ITS ALL ABOUT THREE RINGS O’BRADY.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Forget the MSM
They did to Manning and his machine the Colts what they did to the 2007 Patriots and Brady. Built them up to be this unstoppable offensive force yada, yada, yada to the saturation point. No man – or team – has yet to remain on that type of pedestal.
You wonder why the rest of the country wasn’t fully behind the Colts, because you personally know they’re a great team made up of talented, quality, high-character players. Who couldn’t root for a team like that? It’s people who were getting a bit sick of the media’s extreme build-up of Manning and the unstoppable Colts being the Best. Team. Ever. The coronation was premature and the coverage was in excess.
Brady and the Patriots of ‘07 were the same way. He wasn’t a diva, didn’t shill for attention in front of the cameras, no one on the team wanted to talk about their ‘perfect’ season and they all touted the ‘one game at a time mantra’ – it was a supreme build up from the MSM. And what they build up, they’re going to take down with a sledgehammer.
Pats fans are a bit different, I believe, than Colts fans. We’re more “team” fans than fans of one particular individual, and bring up the rings solely in response to the Manning vs. Brady argument. It appears Colts fans are Manning fans first, and team fans second, so where you tout Manning’s individual stats, we sling back with the rings argument.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
with regards to Brady being a diva
And getting in front of the cameras and doing attention whorish things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lk-wWUQKBg
As for the build up this year – I picked the Colts to lose. I didn’t think they were as good as their record (which has generally been the case in the Manning era. He’s cost s a great many top 15 picks).
As for what type of fans we are. I’m a Colts fan. The Colts, at present, are Manning.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
That's "whorish"???
It was Media Day. Responding to a reporter’s comment on media day with an 8 word answer to an opponent’s prediction is “whorish”? Really? Come on. He said, “we’re only going to score 17 points? Okay.” That’s what you call “whorish”?
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It wasnt whorish
it was arrogant.
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
Jesus i'm usually very respectful to colts fans and this blog
but wow portraying that one statement as like the worst thing EVER is stupid. What is Tom supposed to respond? Yeah we’re not going to score and lose. Seriously? It;s not arrogance or whorish it was just a QB supporting his team. If i said the colts would only score 17 points in the SB, do you think Manning or the fans would say, “yeah i think thats about right” No, they’d have a similiar response
I doubt Manning would say anything good or bad towards the ?
He’d find a way to deflect it to something else or say something to the effect of “We’ll play our game, they’ll play theirs”
So you’re wrong
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
i really didnt mean for it to come to this
i was just fucking around yesterday, sorry.
I mean, I think Brady’s presser was douchey, but I was just giving you shit because i was bored and it seemed like a better option than chugging a bottle of codeine until I slipped into a coma. Didn’t realize it would continue to devolve.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Spaz said he didn't mean for it to come to this
so I won’t keep arguing with you or anyone for that matter. Agree to disagree?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I can't believe that's what you call being a diva...
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think thats bad...man you must hate this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=cibG_BPXzF8&v=BPc6Dxq12t4
way off base re: Manning fans first
I became a fan of this club in the days of Jeff Friggin’ George. I do love Manning, but love the Colts as an organization and – even though I will cry uncontrollably in a corner when Manning retires – will not all of a sudden dislike the Colts.
How can you not love a team that does this?
you get to hear the pink hat mainstream fans
I promise you, most of us regular hard nosed guys put the Colts first. Just like you put the Pats over Brady.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Exactly.
I grew up in Indiana (moved here from Missouri when around 1 years old). I didn’t become a fan of the Colts because of Manning.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
I still am
which makes me TERRIBLY conflicted during the college season, LOL! Even worse, Harbaugh just hired Polian’s son – UGH!
How can you not love a team that does this?
hahaah
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Polian's son?
Not Chris I assume.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
sorry I was a bit reactive
because that’s certainly me, but I could see where there are probably quite a few fans who are Manning first – especially those who simply followed him from Tennessee
I chose the Colts because at the time they had the most former Cal players on the team.
How can you not love a team that does this?
People thought, because I'm so young, that
I hopped on the bandwagon when Manning was drafted. What those people don’t know about me is that I was a Colts fan when Marvin Harrison was drafted and I sat through his first season, Manning’s 3-13 season, countless playoff exits, and 3 Patriot Super Bowls. I didn’t say hey the Pats are good let me make them my favorite team. Absolutely not. What I did was stick with my team, watch the Colts win in 06 and continue excellence this year, Manning’s first without Marvin. Yeah I live in NY, yes I’m a hometown kid, and love NY teams but not with football. I found this team and I will love them and go crazy rooting for them till the day I die. Peyton Manning is amazing but he’s not my end all, be all with this organization and team!
Sorry for the long post – I’ve been wanting to say that to people and I finally got to put my thoughts out there. Please continue your conversation.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I have a pine wood derby car
with a blue horseshoe and a number 4 on it. That’s my testament to my fandom.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
You wanted Brett Favre on the Colts??
I keed I keed!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
That's so cool
My three sons still have their pinewood derby cars, all painted with the Patriots colors (and what is supposed to be the flying elvis if you know what you’re looking for.)
Keep the faith!
Not now
he’s grown as a QB a ton since 2001. I’m saying in 2001, and to some degree in 2003, he was essentially a Jeff Garcia or Eli Manning, with a better defense. Since 2004, he’s clearly been the second (or to some the first) best QB in football.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
If Ben was anywhere near as good as Manning
then he would not have allowed to his team to finish with pathetic record of 9-7 this year. Not to mention losses to the worst of the NFL, including the Bears, Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns. Any quarterback who loses to 4 teams like this in one season does not even deserve to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as a great like Manning. Sure, Ben is an above average QB, but let’s not put so much stock in Super Bowl wins. It’s all the stock from winning a Super Bowl that landed a giant douche like Trent Dilfer a job on ESPN. Somebody, please, alert me when that guy says anything remotely intelligent about the game of football
by The Baseball Freak on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
Ben always put the Steelers in position to win,…against the Bengals, Raiders, and Chiefs he led late fourth quarter drives to put us ahead only to watch the defense collapse completely.
How the hell is that his fault? He had a terrible defense this year.
Its also worth mentioning that he has one of the worst OLine’s in the NFL. Peyton has Jeff Saturday, Ben has Justin Hartwig (the very same Hartwig that managed to get a holding call for a safety in the Superbowl).
Stop with the “supporting cast” nonsense. Peyton HAS a better supporting cast than Ben.
The thing is
Peyton comes out and wins games with a terrible defense and in the last 6 or 7 years it’s been at least 12 wins with whatever defense comes out. Ben, this year, was 9-7 with a bad defense. Peyton would’ve have allowed that to happen.
And Ben’s O-Line is bad but half of the hits/sacks he takes are his own damn fault. Peyton obviously knows how to get rid of the ball when necessary but Ben on the other hand, probably loves men because he just wants them on top of him for some reason. Just get rid of the damn ball, you might not be so injury prone.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Bad Defense?
Haven’t you had one of the best pass rushers in the game for the last 8 years? And a previous Defensive player of the year in your secondary, who has been with you for 6 years?
Also, the Colts were 8th points allowed this year, 7th in 2008, 1st in 2007, 2nd in 2005?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Good individual accomplisments do not mean that the defense is good.
And while we are great in points allowed, may I direct you to the stats that mgrex pointed out:
Want to see the Colts defensive ranks in these categories?
* Drive Success Rate – 30th
* Yds/Drive – 29th
* ToP/Drive – 32nd
* First Downs/Drive – 32nd
* 3 and Outs/Game – 32nd
* Plays/Drive – 32nd
What’s this about the Colts having a good defense?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Excuse me if I am wrong
But isn’t holding your opponent to less points the most important part of defense?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
That is correct,
but the point brought up earlier is that this also causes teams to have lots of long drives against the Colts which also reduces Peyton’s possessions.
A truly great defense would lead in more than 1 category.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
No
I was responding to this:
Peyton comes out and wins games with a terrible defense and in the last 6 or 7 years it’s been at least 12 wins with whatever defense comes outWhich is false for the reasons I listed. They do the most important thing on defense…hold the other team from scoring. It seems to me both QBs have benefited from a good defense.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that he even had to struggle to put his team ahead in the 4th quarter
against teams like the Raiders and Chiefs is a joke. And the Colts defense has never been anything great. The absence of Polamalu is no excuse either. Bob Sanders is out almost every year and Manning consistently leads the Colts to 12+ wins every season.
by The Baseball Freak on Feb 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
LOFL @ comparing Troy and Bob Sanders. Thats like comparing Tony Parker to Chris Paul. Tony is a good PG,..but he’s no Chris Paul. Steelers D is far more reliant on Troy than the Colts on Sanders. Why are we even discussing this,..seriously?
That makes your defense look bad
that 1 player makes such a drastic change in the Steelers D. Without him, maybe they’re not 100% as effective but they should still be a formidable defense. That wasn’t the case this season and I find that rather sad.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Hell Hath No Fury Like a Fat Hump Scorned
I think I’ve been mentioned in a half dozen posts here since the Super Bowl. Sorry I didn’t jump at your awkward come-on at the media center, BBS. Had I but known…
I know you’re hoping to bait me into a response on KSK and give you some traffic, but sorry, I’m afraid our readership doesn’t care about protracted and petty squabbling between bloggers.
As for this post: Peyton’s an overall better QB than Big Ben. But at least Roethlisberger didn’t choke and throw a pick-six during the most critical drive of his last Super Bowl.
“But, but, it’s Wayne’s fault that Peyton starred down the same route they ran all game! It’s the O-line’s fault for the one sack and one QB pressure Manning faced!”
Most QBs would kill for that kind of protection. There were dropbacks where Peyton had seven seconds to throw.
By all means, you can have the QB with better stats. I root for the Pittsburgh Steelers, not the Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisbergers. All I care about is that they win with him at QB. Which they do.
chill, he's the real Ape
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Feb 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
first off your a troll only here to bash and not provide anything to this site.
second you can’t say because of one pass manning choked that is just the most ignorant thing to say. You call your self a writer do you ever do any fact searching i wonder?? oh also that should never have been a pick 6 if you watch the replay. Ill let you look and not tell you why this is the case lets see if you are able to go take the time and look or just want to believe the things you think with no proof.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
He’s mentioning me BY NAME in several posts. Not in comments. Posts. It’s not trolling if he’s trying to solicit a reaction out of me.
by Mike Tunison on Feb 11, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Personally
I welcome you! Please stick around.
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
Im sorry your name has been mentioned and it is so offensive to you I am sure nothing you have ever said has ever been offensive to anyone.
but I am sure when others have thought you were and came at you for it you never banned a single one lol. Look you want to stay here ok but try adding something once in a while and not just going after a blogger no matter who it is cause that will get you banned.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thank God Peter King never swings by here to bitch about us bitching about him
but then again his MMQB probably has more humor injected into it than KSK
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
at least it is obvious humor most of the time.
from what I havce red of Tunison he insults people with vulgarity then claims it is humor. Well I guess some may find his form of cruied humor funny but you can not say the things he does and not expect backlash for it, BBS is a little dif. as he gives it back as well as attacks what Mike says. However Mike is offended by it, it seems.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are dangerous. A rational person might facepalm themself to death scanning through your idiocy.
BBS doesn’t fight back with humor. He flips out stridently when anyone badmouths the Colts by saying they have small genitals or some other 5th grade bullshit. He flames writers with a bigger audience and hopes they react to drive people to his site. He’s a desperate hack.
And I really don’t care if he tries to bash me. I was just letting him know it’s not going work if he thinks it’s going to lead to me responding on my site.
by Mike Tunison on Feb 11, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t deny he does that a ton but to act as if you do not do the same as he does would be idiotic. YOU sir are no better than BBS in anyway whatsoever. Oh and it is sad that you must try and insult us to but at least you didn’t use your “humor”.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they're pretty well identical
except we deal solely in bashing anyone who bashes the Colts. Mike you’re like the ESPN to our local media outlet. Both are dealing in bullshit but both think they’re better than the other.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Even I
do a lot of facepalming when reading some of other peoples shit here….I mean you could go to the FanPosts RIGHT NOW and you would Facepalm….hard. But that’s all I will contribute to that discussion.
Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!
Please, don't give me that
Illegal block in the back shit again.
Peyton presented his back. You can’t draw a flag doing that. Sorry. Not happening.
If you want to argue that he should not have been intercepted, that’s fine. Reggie should have boxed out Tracy. But to say the pick shouldn’t have been taken to the house because Peyton tried (and failed) to draw a flag is ludicrous.
"I definitely believe in destiny, and I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. We have been on the other side of this deal probably too many times. Maybe it's our time that we start catching some of the breaks, and start being the team that wins them like this in the end." -- Drew Brees
I don't think anyone is making that argument
I think its the Reggie Wayne angle. OR the fact that Tracy Porter made a great play. Either one I wouldn’t put the full burden of fault on Manning.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
This girl I recently met from Indiana
apparently went to school with Porter and now hates him. Go figure
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oh look you won and that is that.
but that was no fake or try to draw a flag. it was a clear push in the back that was missed. It is part of the game but doesn’t change that it was a block in the back.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
oh you are making that claim
I think there was enough of a non-chalant attempt at the tackle that you just let it go. IMO.
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idk I was just stating how it looked to me from the replay I saw.
the game is over and although I wish the outcome was dif. the saints played well and I have exepted that I was just saying what I thought on that call
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
oh well in every essence of the word
it was a by the book penalty, but some things are better left uncalled. I think that was one of them.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
ok well thats what you think and I only watched it like twice. Either way I am done with that topic and only said something cause he did and claimed it a fake basically which there is no bases for
even if it was a play you just don’t call in that situation.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
deal
we’ll never speak of this again
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ok lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Good response, actually
I was going to insult you – lord knows it’s easy – but aside from the typical “choke” jab I have nothing to argue with. Certainly not the fat humps part.
Your site still sucks though. It was funny 3 years ago. Time for some new material.
Go to hell!
With love,
-WD
Pot, meet kettle.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 11, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
This shit needs to end.
Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs has AVERAGED – 12.65 drives/game. Thats a little more than 6 drives per half.
Peyton Manning has averaged 9.11 drives/game. Thats ~4.5 drives/half.
For those of you that are decent at math, Manning gets only 3 drives more in a game than Roethlisberger gets in a half.
All of you Steelers fans that are saying, ‘Id take Ben every day of the week!", should, instead, be saying, "I’ll take any team that features the Steelers defense any day of the week’.
There was only one stretch of Manning’s career where he had anywhere near the drives/game that Roethlisberger received. For $.50, can anyone name that 4 game stretch?
The point is, simply, that the Colts got 7 effective drives this past Sunday. S E V E N. Manning lead them into scoring position on 5 of them.
(Again, for you math majors, thats 71%)
THIS IS A SPORT THAT IS COMPRISED OF 53 MAN ROSTERS.
One person CANNOT do everything on his own.
The Colts lost on Sunday because of bad coaching and bad defense. They didn’t lose because Manning let them down.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
by SpazMo on Feb 11, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions 17 recs
that 4 game stretch
06 playoffs?
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
yes correct tell me where to ship the fiddy cents
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
It's been long enough
can I redeem his winnings?
and… Rec’d the initial comment you made!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
arent US stamps like 47 cents now?
I dunno if you really want the 3 penny reward.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
You won't pay for the postage yourself?
You’re so cheap.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Seriously Spaz you're awesome
but that’s pretty cheap lol
and I thought postage was 42 cents so you’re cheap and stealing a nickel from me. Not cool
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This comment has been here for 20 minutes
and I’m the first rec?
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
you have to scream
BOOM! and WHO DAT!
In order to rec something
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
by JustAJ on Feb 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOOM!
Rec’d!!!
Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!
Funny you bring up the Steelers defense. The Colts defense have been ranked in the top 5 many a time include a #1 I believe over the last 6 years. We’ve had good defenses but don’t act like your defense is chopped liver.
your reference to high rated defense is solely in relation to scoring D
they do/did a great job at forcing field goals instead of TDs. They still very much struggle to get off the field and preventing long sustained drives. This means less offensive attempts for Peyton Manning and the Colts offense with which to score. Therefore, the Colts D is reflected on the offense in a negative way.
The Steelers are annually one of the best teams at forcing three and outs, turnovers and short yardage drives, thus getting off of the field and giving the Steelers offense more plays with which to work with. SO, the Steelers D reflects positively on the Steelers Offense.
Thus in this scenario, the Colts D IS chopped liver comparatively.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
things more accuate than NFL.com rankings for Offense/Defense
1) A girls’ response to ‘How many guys have you slept with?’
2) A politicians campaign pledges
3) The response to, ’do I look fat?"
4) Reasons given for a break up
5) The answers parents give to 5 year olds about where babies come from
6) The depiction of Santa Clause, the Great Pumpkin, and the Easter Bunny
7) My online dating profile
8) The McDonalds song that tells you whats in the Big Mac
9) Your taxes
10) The response men on the internet give when asked how big their dick is.
The Colts defense has looked good on NFL.com rankings because the offense has put them ahead of bad teams allowing Freeney and Mathis to pwn faces.
Look, I don’t know how to make it any more simple than this:
The playoffs are a 1 and done situation where you’re playing against (reportedly) the best competition out there. The regular season is a 16 game round robin of sorts where its rare to play more than 3-4 above average teams. Look no further than this year for proof: The Colts defense was highly ranked in the regular season, but against the offensive droolers from New York and Balitmore the Colts gave up tons of yards and TOP, if not points.
There are stats and then there are STATS.
Or, if I need to be more simplistic:
offense must have ball to score.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
by SpazMo on Feb 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
And this is why we missed him
he’s the fuel to the fire that is SB
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
this ismail guys gonna be in for a rude awakening when
i start to dry him his backside.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
You, sir, are on feeling it today.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Feb 11, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
its mostly because im going nuts
I couldnt sleep last night in bed because every time i started to nod off id wake either because i couldnt breathe through my nose (too stuffed) or I’d swallow and my throat is so sore (from the obvious copious amounts of oral sex I partake in) that it woke me up. So at 1am I went to sleep on the couch, and I’d fall asleep for like 2 minutes at a time, every time I fell asleep I’d have like some weird random dream and it would fragment my brain and then Id wake up, but I’d only be like half a wake and I was extrapolating the meaning of the dream out over the rest of my life. It was very odd. that doesn’t explain it very well, but just believe me when I tell you that Im going more crazy than normal today.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Whoa.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Feb 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.....
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Not really back
I have the flu so i made the mistake of opening SB and I see this at the top. I do not understand. The Colts lost. Give the Saints their props and move on. Ive never seen an athlete punished for results more than Peyton Manning. He’s never come out and proclaimed he’s the best. He didnt come out after XLI and ask the media how his ass tastes. He’s been humble and respectful and they respond by donkey punching him in the nuts every chance they get.
Here’s the bigger thing in my mind: Stats are lazy. Especially coming from sports writers whose only job is to watch and cover a sport.
I don’t look at Peyton Manning’s stats and go OMG BEST EVAR. I look at how he plays. I look at the vision, the command of the offense, the command of the field, the throws he can make, the windows he can fit the ball into. I look at his ability to make the 2 minute offense his (which makes the end of the 1st half coaching even more inexcusable) . I look at how he’s asked to throw the ball 50 times a game and still doesn’t cost his team games with bad mistakes.
But if you need stats, here’s the one that I look at: (Obviously this is 4 years in the past so I dont remember it precisely), but in 05 or 06, the Colts were touching the ball, on average =<8 times a game. The Colts were scoring on over 50% of their possessions. That’s not good. That’s inhuman.
If you can’t watch someone play and develop an appreciation for their game without looking at a box score, you should just go to your nearest pawn shop, get a gun and a bullet and open up a spot in the work force for someone that wants it.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
by SpazMo on Feb 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That's a great idea
A scoring efficiency stat. I’ll be looking into that this summer, to see what I can find. Much like the Red Zone, but all possessions.
And like pretty much every other offensive stat, the Colts should be #1.
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amazing how a choker
can lead an offense with the least TOP and drives/game and still lead every offensive category/efficiency rating. (advanced stats, obviously)
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Are you f**king kidding me?
You just got done ripping the value of stats,…then you turn around and use stats to defend Manning. You guys are unbelievable.
If Ben wins,..its because he has a great defense. If he loses,…its because he can’t lead his team the way Peyton can.
If Peyton wins, its all because of him despite a highly ranked defense. If he loses,…those defensive stats are lying,.it wasn’t Peyton’s fault.
Seriously,…stop it people. Peyton is a great quarterback. He doesn’t need all these mental gymnastics to prove. But don’t go out of your way to discredit what Ben has done.
by ismail on Feb 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If Ben loses it's because he's fat
Kidding.
I don’t think he really used any stats there to defend him… just pointed out that it’s ridiculous that a choker does in fact lead in just about every stat imaginable.
The Ben wins due to defense thing is a terrible argument, though. That was true in 05. Not anymore. Fuck, the dude threw for FIVE HUNDRED YARDS against the Packers.
I responded to mgrex when he said he was going to use a new
metric next year. And I believe I put down stats when it came to judging someone’s greatness. Stats are very lazy way of judging how someone played. So is looking at the number of rings next to their name.
Its possible that a QB could play a perfect game and complete 0% of his passes. People would call him the worst QB ever. They would be wrong. Do You See Why?
If you wouldn’t take Peyton Manning over Ben Roethlisberger, you’re not bright.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
example:
say a QB is winning a game, lets call it ‘The Super Bowl’. Lets say he’s winning the game 10-3. His team as the ball late-ish in the 2nd quarter. Score a TD here and the game is comfortably in your corner. Don’t score here and the opposing team gets a chance to wear out your defense. Lets pretend that the best player on your defense has a torn ankle ligament, so the fewer plays, the better.
Now, lets say its 3rd and 4. The QB drops back, makes a perfect read. Makes a perfect throw. Hits his WR in the hands. There is nothing but green in front of this WR, who happens to be the fastest player on the offense.
Oh.
He dropped the ball.
Yes, that’s definitely the QB’s fault. Why don’t you wax poetic about QB rating, stat boy.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
by SpazMo on Feb 11, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*sob*
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Our sb loss didn't get me as close to tears
as this just did. I’m the ultimate Colts homer, so I’m seeing Peyton through rose colored glasses, but I can’t imagine the view is THAT different through regular glasses.
Spaz, you made my week. Possibly year.
Who needs another ring when you have SEXY STATS.
But really, what you posted is an eye opener. Bless you!
were you dropped on your head as a child?
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
What don’t you understand you simpleton? If the stats don’t tell the whole story,…then maybe the Steelers D have also never been as good as the stats suggest. Why you think this only applies to the Colts is beyond me.
Actually
I dont dismiss stats out of hand, I just prefer to use advanced stats. Stats that go beyond yards/game rankings, which is what ESPN, CBS, FOX, NFL.com, etc… use. If you want to talk about simpletons, simpletons are people that use those rankings and try to carry on a discussion about football with them. In my business we have a term called ‘level’. Level 1 thinking is ‘not thinking outside of what you have’. Those stats are level 1 thinking. Go to footballoutsiders.com, or pfr, or any number of other advanced stats sites that will be more than helpful at teaching you a thing or two about football. I promise you, the Colts defense was never number 1 by any serious metric.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Oh I see,…you’re not against stats. You’re just against stats that don’t prove your point.
You can find any metric you want to prove anything you want. Bottom line is that the Colts have had an above average defense for a number of years. Certainly the gap between the Steelers D and Colts D is a lot closer than the chasm that separates our O-Lines.
Give Manning the Steeler’s O line and you guys don’t even make the playoffs.
Place Manning on the Browns
this year and they are the 5 seed in the playoffs.
Why are your stats better? Care to explain?
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5 seed?
He would have been able to play the Ravens and Bengals defense twice. They may have won the division… (not sure Im being sarastic)
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
That would be an interesting experiment
that I have no interest in attempting.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
no, you gobbler
I’m against walking through live like the hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil monkeys.
I use advanced stats/metrics for everything. Universally. Whether they prove or disprove my opinions.
Why is this so hard for you to understand.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
But advanced stats don't answer everything, they're just a tool
By FO measures, Brady was #1 in DYAR and #2 in DVOA this year; Manning was #2 and #5. Yet pretty much no one is arguing (or should be arguing) that Brady was the best QB in the league.
Similarly, Baltimore was #1 in DVOA and the Colts something like eighth (below three teams that lost in the first round of the playoffs).
The bottom line is that no one set of stats will give you the final answer, unless you cherry-pick. (And even then, it’s hard to decisively measure QBs because of their WRs, opponents, etc.) You have to take somewhat of a holistic approach.
Which is why this conversation will, sadly, never end.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Now "Female Patriots Enthuiast"
are we speaking of being enthused by the New England Patriots or the Patriots of our great country?
valid question… really.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Enthused by the New England Patriots
While I have immense respect for the patriots of your country (one of my good friends was a member of the Reserves in Irag for over a year; another was in a Black Hawk shot down in Somalia), I’m a citizen of another country (to the north), thus my tagline is football-related.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Canada
I like Canada.
The valid question part was actually sarcasm – I figured you’re a Pats fan but thanks for the answer. I’m sorry about your friend though – no one deserves that.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
so you have some true heroes as friends
tell them I said thank you for their service. :-)
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Thanks, guys
I will for sure pass it on. (My friend in the Black Hawk survived, and is a fighter despite some physical issues; I’m sure they’ll appreciate any support.) No matter what our political views, I have the utmost respect for those who choose to serve their country.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
they are much braver than I
(though I swear if I were 18 during 9/11 instead of 12, I would have joined up)
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Your friends are quite brave
I don’t have the kahonas to do anything like that.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I dont believe I'm cherry picking.
I understand the downfall of ANY stats, but if I’m going to use them I’m going to use advanced stats, whether they help my position or not.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
I wasn't taking a shot at you
I was just making a general observation that advanced stats, while useful, still won’t conclusively solve the Manning/Brees/Rivers/Ben/Brady/Favre/whoever (Rodgers and Warner?) debates that people choose to have.
I’m a Brady booster (obviously), not only because “of the rings,” but because he suits the composition/offensive scheme of our team; just like Manning is awesome for you guys. But I don’t really care about the debate all that much, because I think they’re both great.
But really, isn’t it awesome to be living in a golden age of quarterbacking where so many guys can even be in the conversation? I remember in the late 90s, SI was bemoaning the death of the QB position. It was a bit premature, obviously.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
true true
we’re spoiled as sports fans at this time. All these great QBs, some of the greatest basketball players, all-time great coaches in every sport, Ovechkin Crosby Malkin, Albert Pujols. Just wow, great time to be alive.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
thats a shame
i was hoping you were taking a shot at me.
im hungry.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Awesome.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
I love your spelling
Of Santa Claus. It reminds me of Tim Allen. Funny stuff.
That is all.
"I definitely believe in destiny, and I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. We have been on the other side of this deal probably too many times. Maybe it's our time that we start catching some of the breaks, and start being the team that wins them like this in the end." -- Drew Brees
No, not chopped liver
but not one that can shut down playoff teams either. Unless they’re the Ravens.
I’ll take the 09 Colt D over the Smith/Polamalu-less 09 Steeler D any day of the week though. The “Steeler D wins them games” axiom didn’t quite apply this year.
Fart on the ball... heh.
“Is some do” isn’t really a real sentence fragment though. Sounds more like something Charlie wrote for Dennis’s comptroller campaign in Always Sunny.
I respect Peyton Manning,..but you guys can’t honestly pooh pooh stats when they show how good your defense has been and then turn around and use the “stats” as your bible for how good Peyton Manning is. That’s a pretty dishonest way to debate something.
I use stats all the time
and some stats are clearly better than others.
Since 2001, the Steelers defense has been ranked:
- Drive Success Rate – 3rd
- Yds/Drive – 2nd
- ToP/Drive – 3rd
- First Downs/Drive – 3rd
- 3 and Outs/Game – 6th
- Plays/Drive – 6th
Want to see the Colts defensive ranks in these categories?
- Drive Success Rate – 30th
- Yds/Drive – 29th
- ToP/Drive – 32nd
- First Downs/Drive – 32nd
- 3 and Outs/Game – 32nd
- Plays/Drive – 32nd
Want to argue any more about which QB has had a better defense?
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r u 2 b tellin me that the Colts Defense is not a golden tear from God?
NEXT YOU’LL BE TELLIN ME THAT I REALLY CANT SAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY ON MY CAR INSURANCE BY SWITCHING TO GEICO!
By the way, I believe Colts Fans are turning into Maple Leafs’ fans. They are starting to so completely overrate each individual player on the roster. Like, if you listed the players on defense and said to them, ‘which player would you want to replace’, they would probably only list 1 out of 11 that they think is below average, yet the D is the weak link year in and year out.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
also
this is probably the wrong place to post this, but I noticed at some point in the Game that Shall not Be Mentioned that both Tim Jennings and Aaron Fransisco were on the field at the same time… was this a dime package, or was Melvin Bullitt hurt at some point and the CBS team didnt pick up on it?
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
most of our defensive players by standard metrics are below average
due to the system put in place that plays to their strengths…. they on an individual level rise to somewhere in the vicinity of average. That still won’t get you far very often.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Im guilty of it as well
I don’t want to come off as pious. I love Melvin Bullitt and Bethea. I love Session and Brackett. I love our front 4. But clearly, there are problems. I’m thinking that contract they gave to Hayden was a mistake. He’s not a shutdown corner. He’s not even a good #1 corner. He’s paid like a top 10 corner. Unless he was hurt this year and was never 100%, we’re going to hate that contract in the future.
The front 4 was much better against the run this year, but we MUST HAVE PLAYERS THAT CAN WIN 1 on 1s in the middle of the defense. Its fine that Muir and Johnson eat up running lanes, but Freeney and Mathis cannot get pressure 100% of the time.
Our defense looked silly on blitzes, especially in the Super Bowl. If they are going to blitz that much, they need to find players that can hold up in man coverage. They need a new SAM and really, as much as I like Brackett, I think we could use an upgrade in that area, too.
We should get Mike Dunleavy or Isiah Thomas a job in the NFL, and then trade that team Bob Sanders for a starting LT, a pass rushing DL, and a linebacker. Plus 3 first round picks.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
Here's my list of must keeps
Freeney
Mathis
Brackett
Bethea
Powers
Session
Sanders (when healthy).
Being fans leads you to believe that players on your team are better than they actually are (see Roethlisberger, Ben). Any honest opinion about the Colts defense should lead to those 6-7 guys being musts. I may even have more on there than there should be, but I’m a fan of the Colts, and by and large we’re stuck with these guys.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
I'd add Bullitt
if only because we need the depth at safety if Sanders is hurt, and Bethea or Bullitt can double as a sub-package DB. Other than that, I agree with your list, so its funny that we both agree on Hayden.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
You said it perfectly
unless he was still hurt while playing this year, he certainly didn’t live up to all the money he was paid.
If Polian can find a Jacob Lacey, Hayden isn’t necessary.
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which also makes his constant drafting of first round RBs questionable, too
There are some good ones available in the first round (I think Addai is living up to late first round/early second round status) there are a plethora of good RBs available in the later rounds. Ebon Britton + Shonn Greene this year over Brown + Maola would be the nuts. Or even someone like Sebastian Vollmer, although I think that would have been considered a reach at the time.
I love playing ‘hindsight with the draft.’ I never miss with my picks :D
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
I would not include
Session and Powers in on the limit.
I also think many Colts fans overrate Mathis and Brackett. Not that they are bad. They are just not as super duper fantalastic as they are sometimes made to be. Both thrive in the Colts’ system (which is good). This year I’ve loosened up on my judgement of Brackett, I’ve never been a fan of his, he was good in coverage but a liability against the run. He seems to have benefitted extremely by Coyer’s tweaks. Our LBs is one of our biggest weaknesses, but we have also proven to be able to get by with that weakness.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Feb 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
2001?
How do stats from 2001 pertain to Ben Roethlisberger? I’m fairly certain he was a 19-year-old college freshman in 2001. Nice meaningless stats though!
Does Roethlisberger play defense?
These are defensive rankings.
It was argued that the Colts defense was on the same level as the Steelers defense. It’s clearly not the case.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
The point
I’m fairly certain your exact quote was “Want to argue any more about which QB has had a better defense?” immediately after you gave stats from 2001.
So I believe “the point” was to show that Big Ben has had a better defense, but using stats from when Ben was a college freshman to prove that he had a better defense with the Steelers is misleading and just plain stupid.
You didn’t say “want to argue about which team has had a better defense.”
You claim that Big Ben has had a better defense than Peyton, and use stats from 2001 to back up your claim, and I am the one missing the point?
You really think it makes a difference?
Since you asked just since 2004:
Steelers:
- Drive Success Rate – 3rd
- Yds/Drive – 2nd
- ToP/Drive – 3rd
- First Downs/Drive – 3rd
- 3 and Outs/Game – 4th
- Plays/Drive – 8th
Colts:
- Drive Success Rate – 29th
- Yds/Drive – 29th
- ToP/Drive – 32nd
- First Downs/Drive – 31st
- 3 and Outs/Game – 32nd
- Plays/Drive – 32nd
Massive changes. Total argument swinging changes. It’s amazing when you take out those 3 years how big a difference it makes.
Creator and developer of the Winning Stats.
Thank you for some actual pertinent info...
and not trying to make the argument that Big Ben is better because as a college freshman the Steelers had a good defense.
Oh, and...
The year that the Colts had the best defensive drive success rate of the past six years, 2005, the Colts lost their first playoff game anyway. Manning couldn’t come up with a game-winning drive, and then blamed his offensive line after the game.
He didn't blame his offensive line for the loss.
All he said is that they had “protection issues,” which was completely true after he was sacked 5 times and hurried pretty much every other play. Peyton never said that the O-line is why the Colts lost.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Uh-huh
And if he had said, “we had some ball-dropping and route-running issues” would he not be blaming the receivers?
Let me give you a definition:
Blame: to hold responsible for.
While Peyton said that the O-line had protection issues, he never said that the O-line was responsible for the Colts losing that game. He took responsibility for the loss himself and answered a direct question asked to him about the 5 sacks he took that game. What was he supposed to say when someone asked him about the 5 sacks and multiple hurries? Was he supposed to say that the O-line played great?
I’m not sure how I can be more clear.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
I'm not going to argue semantics with you...
Peyton’s exact quote was “I’m trying to be a good teammate here. Let’s just say we had some problems in protection.”
Translation: “I don’t want to throw my O-line under the bus, but they didn’t do a good job.”
I’m not going to argue whether that is the technical definition of “blame” as defined by Webster’s dictionary. Yes, he didn’t actually say, “I, Peyton Manning, hold my offensive lineman all responsible for this loss and blame them for not protecting me.” So yes, you are right, Peyton didn’t technically blame them.
You won this argument, congratulations.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh............
I can feel the sarcasm flowing through your words.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Nope
Your argument was that Peyton did not, in a strictly legal sense, say anything that can be construed as laying blame on his offensive line.
So yes, you are technically correct. Luckily for me, intelligent people can read between the lines and see what Peyton really meant.
Technically, Peyton saying, “we had protection issues” isn’t laying blame on the O-line, just like saying “we had kicking accuracy issues” isn’t blaming the kicker or him saying “we had ball-dropping issues” isn’t blaming his receivers.
Newsflash:
When your QB gets sacked 5 times, the O Line isn’t doing its job. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 14, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
Im a douchebag, an asshole, but I know what Im talking about.
by SpazMo on Feb 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Impressive drawing.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
I’ve spent the week in Boston, due to some business, and had a chance to talk to a lot of fans. The general consensus is that they would trade the farm for Manning.
Super Bowl performance not withstanding, Manning does the most with less. He forces opposing teams to play not just their best, but better than their best, to beat him. He does things like force teams to go for it on 4th and 2 from their own 30 just so he doesn’t get the ball back, onside kick to start the 2nd half of the Super Bowl, etc. There are a million examples of teams throwing the kitchen sink at the guy and him coming out clean.
Next season, Manning is going on a rampage. He’s going to destroy the rest of the NFL. He’s going to lay waste to every team in the league. You can see it in the way he walked off the field. It’s going to be messy.
We rise. They fall.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Feb 11, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wait.
Boston fans? Wow.
This is so full of awesome:
Next season, Manning is going on a rampage. He’s going to destroy the rest of the NFL. He’s going to lay waste to every team in the league. You can see it in the way he walked off the field. It’s going to be messy.
I can’t wait.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
We're in the business of killing defenses and let me tell you, business, is a boomin'
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by JustAJ on Feb 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those fans were trying to make you feel better for losing
or else they were “Peytonized” like the rest of the media in the hype leading up to the Super Bowl. The general consensus from real Patriots fans is that while they respect Manning, they’ll keep Brady thank you very much.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Feb 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they are prob from the south side of boston
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
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Re: going on a rampage
I can only hope so. But this year suggests that he’ll go on a rampage until the Colts are 10 points ahead, and then nurse that lead as long as required. I was SURE that they did this all year long so as not to be a target for other teams (see: 2007 Patriots), and I was SURE they would go no holds barred in the final and biggest game of the year. And I was SURE they were capable of it… in fact I’m STILL sure they were capable of it, but they went even more conservative than before.
God I hope Caldwell, Coyer and Rychleski have learned their lesson.
How can you not love a team that does this?
LovinBlue -
Did you see this article about Peyton Manning from the Palm Beach Post? It’s not an analysis or anything like what’s been written about him ad nauseum since the Super Bowl. It’s an observation piece, and I thought you might appreciate it.
Keep the faith!
Yeah, thanks for the link.
This almost made me lose it when I was watching his presser:
“I apologize to our fans,” said the quarterback.
The funny thing is that most Colts fans worse for him than they do themselves, myself included.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 11, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
When I just read that
I felt like crap – I feel so bad for him but I really don’t care what people think anymore. I’ve learned most people = morons
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
at least 50% of people out there have a below average IQ
most of them write and report for a living. The button on the fryer at Burger King is too tricky for them.
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Two things I hate about this article
1 – the comment from Sharper reminds me of Bruschi’s terribly condescending remarks about being “proud” of Peyton for “finally” beating the Pats
2 – why wasn’t the article accompanied by a nice picture of Manning in his boxer shorts? LOL
How can you not love a team that does this?
Steelers fan here
I do not think Ben is better overall than Peyton, but he is better in the clutch. Manning is, in my opinion, the best QB of all time, but struggles when there is alot of pressure on his shoulders in key situations.
Peyton performs at his best in the regular season when there isn’t much on the line and he can pile up stats. Ben performs at his best when it is 3rd and 12 with a minute left and the Steelers are down by 6. Ben makes clutch drives and amazing plays, such as the final drive and play of last year’s superbowl, while Peyton all too often seems to fade in the clutch and do something stupid. Examples: the pick-six in this year’s superbowl and letting the Steelers sack him 5 times, at crucial moments, in the playoffs in 2006.
So yes, Manning is better than Ben overall, but Ben outperforms Peyton when it matters.
yeah we noticed in the 2005 SB
he really blossomed into a great QB in the waning minutes of that game.
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There is an inherent contradiction in your post. You can’t truly believe that Manning is not clutch and yet somehow still believe he is the best QB of all time. That makes no sense.
I'm not saying he isn't clutch necessarily
Just not nearly as clutch as Roethlisberger.
Ummm have you ever watched the colts cause Manning is def. more clutch than Ben.
this is a very ignorant statment by you
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's nonsense.
Peyton performs at his best in the regular season when there isn’t much on the line and he can pile up stats.
First of all, Peyton Manning is not a stat padder. The Colts organization is not a stat padding friendly one. They wouldn’t even go for a perfect season because they’re not overly focused on record books.
Secondly, the idea that Manning’s best performances can all be pigeonholed as coming in games that weren’t “big games” annoys me to no end—especially coming off this season in which he led his team back to win in the fourth quarter seven times. But no, of course, the mythical quality of being clutch still eludes him because some define it as not throwing one bad pass in one SB that is apparently the only game of his career that matters right now.
Sooo...
Because of one game(that the Steelers won anyway) in his 2nd year, Big Ben isn’t a clutch QB? Kind of an over-generalization, dontcha think?
thats exactly the point
except you’re overgeneralizing in the opposite direction. Because of his final drive in 2007 you’re stating that he’s clutch.
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Not based on one drive. Ben is clutch based on the fact that he has the most game winning drives in the 4th quarter/OT of any QB since 2004. And he’s done it in the playoffs time and time again. Peyton on the other hand,…has come up short time and time again in the playoffs.
OK lets check this out
Career comebacks/comeback opportunities
Peyton Manning has 24 game winning/4th quarter comebacks since the start of 2004. 44 overall.
Ben Roethlisburger has 21 game winning/4th quarter drives since his rookie season in 2004.
Both of them have converted roughly 50% of their opportunities in that time span. SO………. uh no. You’re wrong they both come up about equally in big pressure situations with Peyton actually doing it more than Ben. You my friend are just dealing in selective memory.
Add in the idea that Peyton’s defense routinely is not very good and the fact that they’re in that situation most likely isn’t his fault in the first place and there you go. Peyton is the better QB. High stress situation or not.
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and what of the playoffs? How about the 40-0 jets game? Or the 06’ divisional when you guys where #1 overall? Or the numerous Pats losses? Or the numerous Chargers losses? Peyton not only loses,..but he loses to inferior teams.
Now who is cherry-picking?
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
So Peyton isn't the superior QB because his W/L record is below 1.000?
You know who else has lost to inferior teams somewhere along his career?
Just about every NFL player to have a career.
Final drive in 2007?
WTF are you talking about? When did I ever mention this?
I think he meant 2008,
which you have mentioned ad nauseum.
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Ad nauseum?
I mentioned that drive ONCE. How is that ad nauseum? And I do believe the drive was in 2009.
You can be cute all you want,
but you and I both know that games played in January and February of an NFL season are referred to with the previous NFL season to cut down on confusion. This is why everyone refers to the 2006 AFC Championship even though the game was really in January of 2007. That’s because it was part of the 2006 season, just like the Steelers/Cards game was part of the 2008 season.
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And I don't care
Whatever, whether it was 2007, 8, or 9 doesn’t really matter. I mentioned the drive one time and you are claiming I’m mentioning it ad nauseum. I don’t really understand how you can call one time ad nauseum. Care to explain?
I heard on a broadcast a year ago that Ben had the most come from behind drives,…Peyton must have overtaken him this year. And once again,…Ben has engineered many a drive this year that should’ve have been game winning but the Defense collapsed with a minute remaining in the ball game.
Really?
Which games exactly did that happen?
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
well if you want to know specifics I'm going to have to go back and reinvent history
this will only take a few minutes.
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by JustAJ on Feb 11, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL.
I’m interested in hearing your results :-)
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That's really funny.
It’s kind of what I’ve been doing for the audit.
by vintagephoenix on Feb 12, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck with that.
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Off the top of my head, Oakland and Kansas City
I looked it up, and in both games, Big Ben led the team to a 4th quarter lead only to have the defense blow it. The score in the Oakland game was at 1:56 and the defense blew it; the TD against KC was at 8:35. And the defense allowed 10 points to the anemic Bears in the 4th quarter to lose the game.
They also blew a lead against Green Bay that Ben salvaged with the Wallace pass.
I’m no Stillers defender, but Ben was way low on the list of their problems this year.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
no one is saying he had issues
but saying you’d take Ben over Manning is joke droppingly puzzling to fathom. Sure say Brady or even Brees but Roethlisburger?
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
I was responding to some of the claims earlier that it was his fault that Pitt was 9-7, but fair enough
Even though I don’t think he’s in the same class as the others, Roethlisberger is a bit younger. Then again, his concussion problems + propensity to attract sacks make me wonder if that matters much.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
yea although he is bigger than many QB's he tends to take a lot more sacks as well which really hurts him. Also he does have that concussion issue.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I motion to turn this into an...........
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what happened to that other thread?
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Shake no likey no more
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
well thats his problem isn't it lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
HIS LAPTOP IS WEAK!!!
/kidding please don’t ban me shake
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
well I just need someone to talk to me in between rounds of CoD
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
MW2?
I still have to buy that.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
yea I liked the game played it on PS3
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I've been playing Madden since it came out
I love sports games. I mix in the last tennis game that came out here and there but mainly Madden on the 360.
I play a lot more stuff on my Wii
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I also love sports games but don't get to playing them much anymore
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
just never find the time with school work, and a few other commitments. (I also need a new one and only have a ps2
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh
busy busy – that’s cool though
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
yea I play a little when I can
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
if you get a system Wii > all others!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
played wii a lot and loved it but I don't own it
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nintendo still makes the best games.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Depends on which genre you subscribe to.
"I definitely believe in destiny, and I believe in karma and what goes around comes around. We have been on the other side of this deal probably too many times. Maybe it's our time that we start catching some of the breaks, and start being the team that wins them like this in the end." -- Drew Brees
I like strategy, action, and classic sidescrollers a lot.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Strategy: Every Atlus, Squaresoft and Square-Enix game ever made. Try Ogre Battle 64.
Classic sidescrollers: Nintendo has the edge.
Everything else belongs to Xbox and Sony. I’m not big on Nintendo anymore, but I do love the DSi I got for a going-away present.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
I thought that the comments on this article jumped a little too much.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
woohooo
you’re here!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
And do you watch any other sports besides football?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I'll watch basketball, baseball, rugby and cycling
but nothing is near as good as the sport of football
How can you not love a team that does this?
Where do you watch rugby?
I mean professional and yes I love baseball, basketball has fallen in my eyes, and I love Tennis but Football is awesome!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
We have DirecTV
so sometimes I just search for it. I don’t actually follow it (i.e., don’t know when the seasons run, who’s doing well, etc.), but I love watching the game as it’s so similar to gridiron.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Go Bruins!
(I know it’s a week late but I don’t care.)
I looked at your profile, and boy are we destined to be enemies. (And even though they’re not a rival of my team, I can’t stand the Lakers ever since I lived in LA for the threepeat.)
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
me and her go back and fourth cause I am a USC fan but now we got a UCLA fan here really wow. well ummm yea
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
oh god we're all in trouble, lol!!
FPE, what’s not in my profile is that my husband is a Pats fan, so life is REALLY hard for me!
I’m more of a supporter of UCla than U$c, simply because the baby bears are a cute extension of THE University of California. Ok I exaggerate… I’m cool with UCLA except when they play Cal. Actually want them to succeed in general.
Did you live in LA because you were going to school there?
How can you not love a team that does this?
we got issues :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, UCLA grad
I also worked there for a few years before moving to NoCal for a bit, then came back home.
And I don’t really dislike the Bears all that much (they’re not SC). The Bruins are definitely the baby bears not only in name, but in play, these days (though I had season tickets for the year they challenged for the NCAAF national title. Damn Edgerrin James).
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
where did you move to in NoCal?
that’s where I am now – East Bay near Danville/San Ramon area
How can you not love a team that does this?
I was there from late 06-08
Right in The City. I’ve been out to San Ramon, I remember it being really green and pretty.
Did you make it to the Colts/Raiders game in ‘07? I wanted to see Manning in person and couldn’t find anyone who wanted to take their life in their hands, so I went on my own and ended up having a few with some Colts fans at the bar before the game.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 11, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was there
a good friend of mine is a Raiders season ticket holder so I was in safe company – albeit a lot of heckling
How can you not love a team that does this?
Heh heh.
Love Edge.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
You should put something like that in your profile.
You’d get a lot more sympathy at least.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
oh no lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
hey check this out
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-rugby/recaps/013010aaa.html
God I love my Cal Bears. Why couldn’t the Colts do this to an opponent?
How can you not love a team that does this?
Holy crap lol
That’s insane.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I actually went to one of their games last year
and to be honest it wasn’t all that exciting – basically over after 10 minutes
Cal owns that sport
How can you not love a team that does this?
Did you watch Invictus?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I need to see it again.
When we saw it in the theatre, it was so loud that we couldn’t hear most of the movie. We should’ve left halfway, but it was really cold outside.
My friends and I are about to watch “The Hurt Locker.” I’ve seen it, so I’ll be around a bit. Anyone want pumpkin icecream pie?
I wish the open thread was Jason Cole free. He makes me break out in a rash.
you will LOVE The Hurt Locker
well, if you like the same types of movies I do, you will, LOL
please pass the pumpkin ice cream pie!!!
How can you not love a team that does this?
I've seen the movie already. I loved it so much that I am making my friends watch it!
The pie is one my friend’s specialty. So amazing!
I wish I was there
I need to see that movie – this weekend I PROMISE!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
These three girls are my closest friends and very much married, but I'll tell them hi anyway. :p
They tell me the lasagna turned out well. I made bbq chicken lasagna with bbq chips used like bread crumbs. My SIL’s recipe. Turned out a little spicy for them, but yummy. (I had non chicken lasagna myself.)
If you break your promise, what do I get?
And I should pay a little more attention now.
You know
I said I wish I was there to watch the movie. You think so low of me lol. I want some bbq chicken lasagna now.
If I break my promise – you can have whatever you want, what’s reasonable that is.
Don’t I’m bored lol
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I just had dessert
see below – will write about my lovely experience
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
umm there is nothing below lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I said will write - future tense
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
now see
I enjoyed that so much
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
hahaha
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
high five! go bears!!
proud 2009 grad! (and colts fan :) )
come over to the open thread (link at the bottom of the page)
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Are they playing Madden or something?
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
So I think for the first time since I was 14 or something?
My family bought me a birthday cake – a day late because of snowstorm but it’s the thought that counts.
White chocolate/Chocolate mousse cake – I think I just died and went to heaven eating that!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
wow no birthday cake in that long that stinks lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've had birthday cake
My best friend has made one for me – 5 or 6 years in a row I think – she’s awesome. My family doesn’t buy me cake ever – this year is weird
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
why don't your parents buy you one?
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
They got over it after a while
plus I was rarely home. Either school, work, or just out so they got used to the idea but we always got my sister one (she expects one) so I made a joke to my dad recently about how she gets them and I don’t so I think he wanted to.
i think they bought pastries one year but no cake. Either way I’m not the type that cares but this cake today was amazing. I wish I could send you all a piece.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Is the postage too much or something?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
That sounds awesome.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Anyone using Chrome see the ads right now on this site?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
don't have chrome
making a 7 round draft for just us and then looking for critique (may be horrible but it is my first shot and just might not be plausible)
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
It's for KY products
so I LOL’d
and that’s cool – look forward to seeing it.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
oh I saw that on other sites it is taking over lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 11, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
definitely – I was just surprised. Cool color scheme and everything, catches your eye. Then you see what it is and you’re like wow… just wow
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Really?
Now I need to go over to my IE and see for myself.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Wow.....
How can they get away with that? Are the marketing guys for SBNation incompetent or something?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
yeah it was funny earlier today
except I was at work so had to be a bit careful!
How can you not love a team that does this?
Ahh yes
I have to be careful at work too – I started using the wide screen so the ads are hidden a bit.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
yea I use wide screen which hids those adds
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
ads
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Colts Homer and Shake will always give
you some good criticism.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
hey finally home huh
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I've been home for like an hour or so.
I’ve commuted home, had 2 dinners, and did some homework since then.
2 dinners?
Man you weren’t joking about 6 meals
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I know I just said a min ago hey im going to go eat dinner (I then realized I just had eaten dinner not long ago lol, so I think ill be eating more).
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
that is me :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
What do each of these meals consist of?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Ever since I got better,
I’ve not stopped eating. :( I’m going to gain back that 5 pounds and then some.
Yeah. I was like WTF
At first I didn’t pay attention and just say purple and pink so I thought it was an ad for like beauty products or women’s perfume. Then I looked at it and I was like O_O
hahaha
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I can't get it to work
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
How do I post a picture
that I have saved on comp?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Don't kill me if I messed this up
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
BOOOOOO lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
FAIL tries again
<img src="[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2wdu2hv.jpg[/IMG]"/>
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
And I fail again
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
sorry no title
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
1st round- Brandon Carter OT (going along with the idea that brown is gone)
2nd round- Arthur Jones DT ( think with the depth there is in this draft at DT we could see him fall to our 2nd possible and if he does I think it would good pick)
3rd round- Jarod Veldheer, OT (if we got both these OT I think that we would have really succeded in upgrading our O-line)
4th round- Richard Dixion TE (they are just looking at Depth after the first 3 pics and feeling good)
5th round- Amari spievey CB (got stuck after 4 rounds but wouldn’t mind if this happened)
(ok this one is only a 5 rounder time for me to eat and ill do another later i think) Please correct me if I am off base as I may well be.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions
I can't believe
the draft is over 2 months away still
at least I have a Vega$ trip and some knee rehab planned to pass the time in the interim
How can you not love a team that does this?
second part doesn't sound fun (would rather just be bored than do that.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
When are you going to Vegas?
I can’t wait to go!
and what happened to your knee? Hope it’s okay now
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
....
We’re looking at end of the month; hubby has a short conference there and if they have a golf tourney planned the weekend prior that means free lodging – woohoo!
Knee is an old injury that is bothering me a lot lately. Doc told me yesterday that my miniscus is still damaged, so I’m getting an MRI to see if a scope is required. Either way, I’ve requested a prescription for physical therapy because my right thigh is about 1 inch smaller around than my left. But not in a “fat hump” sort of way, lol.
How can you not love a team that does this?
But we're all "fat humps"
Don’t try to jump ship!
but seriously I hope that gets taken care of with you going through as little pain as possible.
And enjoy Vegas – I’m thinking of going in the summer. My boss said I can take any days I want off so I wonder if 4 or 5 days, 2 or 3 working days connected to weekend would be enough!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
sure it would
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Only been there once and I was young so I didn't know
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Cool
I should really work on that then. I need to travel, it’s been almost a year.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I suck at that game
I play A LOT of poker – now that I can do it legally, I’m even more happy. Roulette is really fun too!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
I don't like poker
it’s craps, blackjack or drink and watch someone else play
How can you not love a team that does this?
No love for hold 'em?
I love me some hold ‘em. I’d probably lose money if I tried playing for real money though.
Wanna play me for money?
I suck I swear!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Your bank account vs. mine?
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Deal.
(3 hours after I lose $500 to you) Please send me your bank account and routing numbers so I can safely send the money to you. Also, please include your SSN so that I know that it’s you.
Sure I'll do tha....
WAIT A MINUTE!
Identity theft is serious nowadays man!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
NOOOOO don't fall for it King
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think so and speaking of comp thing you think of any names?
I havent been able to think of a combination maybe just one or something idk
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
You could be lady luck!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Blackjack and drinks are my game. And not just because I love to say "hit me."
I like poker, but purely for recreational reasons. I’ve never been to Vegas. I have been to the city, but only for the airport. Was off on geology field trip from there.
My brother wants to go there and then to San Diego and then on a cruise to Cabo San Lucas next month. I’m pretty sure I’m passing on it. Save the vacation time for a longer trip in Europe when I go in the summer.
I'm thinking of Europe for my graduation trip
Ride the eurorail all throughout is what I’m thinking.
Go to Vegas once though – I’m sure it’s one of those things everyone’s got to experience once.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
One of my close
friends got married last summer… but with only about a month notice and I basically planned the wedding for her. For my bridesmaid gift, they gave me tickets to Paris and a key to their apartment there. So I’m going to go end of May. But if bf can get more time off, I would like to explore France a lot more.
But I don’t think he will. His brother’s getting in April and residencies don’t like to give more than a week off at a time.
Brother's getting married I assume you meant
That’s awesome though – can’t you explore it a little by yourself? Or it’s one of those all or nothing deals. I’m sure you’ll have a good time. How awesome is SB, we’re all big travelers going all around the world lol
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Well,
not all of us…..
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Never really understood how that game worked.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
You have a really cool boss.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
That sounds really painful.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Hey ill be right back I got to turn my comp. off for a min.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:28 AM EST reply actions
Night
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
who wants to make the open thread??
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:37 AM EST reply actions
dia still hasn't done one
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Laziness
= the anti drug for SB
minus the dropouts who are drug dealers
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
he made 3 last week lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
yea so whatever ill just post one
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
That was a fun thread.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Another one?
Creating a lot of work for me….
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
ok time to jump
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2010/2/12/1307200/night-owls-open-thread-for-ever
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 12, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions
I wish I had seen this article earlier
Ben Roethlisberger is better than Peyton Manning in the playoffs. There is not a great argument against that.
Their QB ratings are about the same (Cole was wrong, Manning’s PO QB rating is 87.6). Ben has won two SB and Manning one.
I find the argument funny that you say “The Steelers carried Ben to win XL”. I take it you completely neglected to look at the 3 games leading to the SB where Ben essentially won all 3 games on his own with 3 games with QB ratings of 95+ (two of 120+). Fair enough. So Ben had a “fart” of a game in the SB. However, didn’t Manning do the same thing in the Colts SB year against the raiders? 50comp%, 170yds, 0TDs, 2INTs, 39.6 QB Rating. It appears both guys had a “fart” of a run. However, lets compare the numbers for their respective SB runs
Manning:
XLI: 64 comp%, 259ypg, 3TD, 7INTs. That makes a QB rating of 70.5
Ben
XL: 62.3comp%, 200.3ypg, 7TDs, 3INTs, 101.7QB rating
XLIII: 60.7comp%, 231ypg, 3TDs, 1INT, 91.6 QB rating
Is Ben a better QB than Manning? No, I don’t think I’d say that. Is Manning definitively a better QB than Ben? No, I don’t think you can say that when you look at their post season records.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
raiders = ravens
typo
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would be interested in seeing a comparison of the
defenses both Peyton and Ben faced during their respective playoff runs.
I bring this up because you mention Peyton’s “clunker” of a game against the Ravens, but you fail to mention that it was against the #1 defense in the league and honestly one of the best defenses I’ve ever seen (granted that I’m only 19). How good was that Eagles defense or the other defenses Ben played?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Even though the Colts lost, it was a good season. Random facts will resume next week when I recover.
Well
The Seahawks defense was good that year (when the Steelers won the SB). However, on the road to the SB Ben beat the #2 and #3 ranked Ds (in points allowed). The Ravens 2006 defense was good, but not one of the best defenses of all time, that would be Ravens 2000 or Steelers 2008 (at least in your time period).
The fact still remains that over the course of both SB runs, Ben was better. On neither one did he throw more picks than TDs (even if you exclude the Ravens game this is still true).
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Remember the time....
…. when the Steelers were down late in a Super Bowl and Big Ben absolutely HAD to get a touchdown, but he threw a pick 6 instead?
Oh wait, that was Manning. Ben marched down the field and won the game when it happened to him.
by BenDoesn'tChoke on Feb 14, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions
Roethlisberger over Manning Article
J Cole from yahoo, mentions Dutch Wydo. This is the article he must be referring to. I admit after reading this, the writer makes some interesting points.
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