So, I take it having Valentine's Day on a Sunday with no football was not popular
Wow.
Over 1700 comments in one thread about how Valentine's Day sucks? My goodness, you people are a chatty bunch.
For something to chat about this morning, why don't we start with Reggie Wayne and his effort (or supposed lack thereof) during the Super Bowl. ESPN's Paul Kuharsky had some strong words regarding Wayne after re-watching the Super Bowl:
Reggie Wayne’s effort on two big passes seemed questionable. He and Manning can praise Tracy Porter endlessly, but Wayne seemed to give up on the route. He allowed Porter to gain position on a pattern analysts say he’s got to be sure continues and crosses the corner who’s in coverage. The move he made before he made his break didn’t look like much and the cut wasn’t very sharp.
The last time I criticized Reggie Wayne's effort was in the 2007 regular season game against the Chargers; the one where Dwight Freeney broke his foot. Wayne seemed to give up on a route in that game allowing Antonio Cromartie to pick off one of six Manning INTs in that game.
Was Reggie's effort "questionable" in the Super Bowl? I have no re-watched the game yet.
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He did
Wayne did look listless on that play. I haven’t had the stomach to re-watch the entire game, but I have watched that clip 3-4 times. Reggie runs the first part of the route just fine (of course it’s a straight line, but still). It’s the 2nd part of the route where he starts his stutter step that looks shaky.
He might have slipped or just not planted well, but he definitely didn’t continue the route like he should have. His knee could be hurt or maybe he just gave up. Even if he had continued the route, I’m not sure that Porter still wouldn’t have jumped it.
Hate to say it ...
but I agree w/PK. I had been watching #87 earlier in the game after telling my wife “wait for it, Wayne’s going to bust out a big one here”, and I saw him sandbag some plays where he knew (apparently) that the ball wasn’t coming his way.
He barely jogged off the line at the snap and made little effort to even gain his defender’s attention. Now I noticed that a couple times and told myself he was trying to goad his defender into relaxing on one and he’d burn right past him … but in hindsight, I’m not sure what was going on.
Reggie’s been so solid, so consistent, such a quality WR … I want to blame this on the knee somehow.
He seems to have somewhat of an ego..
Nothing like T.O. but I feel like he doesn’t like it when the ball isn’t coming his way. He kinda disappeared from the field after the AFC championship game when Garcon had his huge game.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 15, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
He has an ego, sure
But the game wasn’t Wayne vs the Saints. You have to be ready to catch the ball anytime, doesn’t matter if you’re Wayne, or Baskett or Robinson, you have to make the play whenever you’re asked to.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
My point exactly.
When he’s not happy and/or frustrated (for example when he’s not being thrown too) he doesn’t play to his potential. He didn’t even try and chase Porter down.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
That's true for almost all good WR
I’ve heard stories like that about Marvin Harrison. The pick 6 in the AFC championship game is a perfect example of that.
by Sanders_fan89 on Feb 15, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh come on
leave that to some idiots named T.O., Williams or Moss. You can’t be on this team with that kind of attitude. You can’t play this sport like that. You have as your QB a guy who tries to please them all but if the game develops so that you have a big or small role, then the QB or the coaches have to do what’s best for the team, not for a particular guy.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know who you are trying to argue with here?
I’m in agreement with you and I stated that in my post.
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 15, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
actually to no one.
Sorry if that “oh come on” confused you, but I had no other way of putting it. I know you agree with me. Sorry about that.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that did confuse me..
you’re cool. I hate even mentioning TO and Moss in the same sentence as Reggie. I just hope he doesn’t go down that road. He’s better than that.
By the way, what’s that in your profile picture?
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's me
in front of the Teotihuacan pyramids here in Mexico. It’s said that pyramids charge you with positive energy, so, I went there with some of my Colts gear for them to have a nice season and well, it got us to the SB lol.
From now on, it’s one of the family traditions but this year we’re planning to go there twice: one in March-May and one the week before the playoffs.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 16, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
That's cool..
kinda what I thought but couldn’t make out the pyramid.
Yeah, you definitely need to take a Wayne jersey next time you go lol. They already have the Colts favored to win the SB next year. Go Colts!
by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 16, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I only have
Sanders, Manning (2) and Harrison. Don’t mind, I’m planning to get a Clark/Freeney/Wayne/Garcon or Bullitt jersey. Me and my brother are planning to get at least, two more jerseys.
But yeah, I will return this year. LOL
GO COLTS!
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 16, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree too
He looked tired, pressured. I don’t know, but that pick, aside from being an (ugh) awesome play by Porter, was totally on Wayne. He didn’t even chase Porter after it. The last game of the play was awful. Two key passes and two mistakes from him.
Too bad, I love Reggie but this has to be one of the worst games I remember from #87
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
LOL, I meant "last play of the game-9" obviously
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to re-watch the game
so I will never know.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
And it might be better that way.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
I really don't want to know
It’s enough for me to know that something went wrong on the play.
Just thinking about the interception is enough pain. I have no desire to watch it again.
Maybe in 5-10 years. Or when we’ve won 5 SBs in a row. Then it will be like watching the 1st half of teh ’06 AFCCG.
Hopefully.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Feb 15, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Watching the first part of 06 AFCCG is fun because I can think of meltdown coming.
It’s going to be a long, long time if I ever watch that SB again
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Believe it or not
I think that, when Manning retires, he will destroy all records. Including most rings ever won by a QB…
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
even I don't believe he'll destroy that one
he’ll have an incredible sunset to his career if he even matches it
How can you not love a team that does this?
It may have been too much
But I believe he CAN. If he matches them or even reaches 3 it would still be awesome of course.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well since Bradshaw won 4...
Peyton would have to win 3 out of the next 6 SB’s to even match him, assuming that he will retire at 40.
You Colts fans sure do have an unhealthy love of Peyton. Which team will you guys go back to rooting for once he retires?
um... the Colts
given that – as you point out – we’re Colts fans
How can you not love a team that does this?
so you're saying it is impossible?
Wow, which team do you root for? the Raiders and JaMarcus Russell?
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not impossible, verrrry improbable
Peyton’s record in the playoffs is 9-9 right now. To win 3 more his record would probably have to be at least 9-3. Of course, this is assuming he won’t retire before 40 and will make the playoffs the next 6 years in a row.
Both of those, imo, aren’t big assumptions since Peyton isn’t slowing down much and will probably last until 40. And he will probably make the playoffs every year, too. I think he has proven that he is the best regular-season QB ever.
But since it took him 12 years to win 9 playoff games, and he has to win at the very least 9 more for 3 SB’s, I highly doubt he can do it, given his penchant for losing every year in the playoffs.
by Brothersko on Feb 15, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Penchant for losing every year in the playoffs."
You make it sound like everyone else is winning each year in the playoffs. Or that it’s Peyton’s ultimate decision or within his power to win every playoff round all by his lonesome.
I appreciate your other comments but that one is just typical Manning bashing/laziness in closing up your argument.
Yea
that was kind of unnecessary Manning-bashing. I guess I should have worded it differently.
“It took Manning 12 years to win 9 playoff games, and since he’d have to win at least 9 more for 3 SB’s, I highly doubt he can do it considering the Colts’ less-than-stellar playoff record the last 12 years.”
Re the open thread:
Yep. We tend to be very chatty, and that probably won’t change for the offseason.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
I wonder about the knee
Did, not being able to do his usual things bring him to that point?. He didn’t look that sharp on a lot of cuts in the game. Looked especially slow on the pick 6 play and coming back on the underthrown deep ball early in the second half.
As far as the ego thing, I think all great receivers develope that about not getting the ball. Its like their drug.
Collie wide open
I can’t believe I haven’t heard more about how Collie was wide open for a 1st down. Something obviously went wrong with Wayne’s route though.
I think
the biggest reason why people don’t bring that up is because Wayne is the #1 look in that play. On top of that, manning had complete pressure up the gut so unless he looked at Collie as the #1 he wouldn’t have gotten the chance to even get to Collie.
But in saying that I think I would’ve rather seen Manning take a sack or throw the ball away in that one. Sadly it just becomes a bunch of “what ifs” but yea…
by razielzsoul on Feb 15, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Actually to me it looked like the pressure was coming from his left
CJ was getting manhandled and couldn’t keep track of his guy. And Peyton got rid of just in time.
When I watched that played
I couldn’t believe how open Collie was. I mean, it wasn’t a 20 yard space, but easily 5-8 yds or even more depending on Collie’s effort.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
YES
I posed that below before I started reading the rest of the posts! Collie was wide open and would have easily had the 1st down. He was crossing the middle of the field too so he had to be right in front of Peyton before he threw it.
Oh well….
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Would Collie reach 1st down line?
Collie ran underneath route and he was open short of 1st down line. He knows to drop fast thrown passes and he might been tackled immediately after catch ‘cause defenders are very close to him.
If he’d (despite it all) – caught the ball , I’m not sure if he would be able to make couple extra yards after catch enough for first down, he is rookie and not so reliable WR like a Wes Welker who is best in the league for that route.
Maybe Peyton should try risky pass for Dallas Clark down deep for a TD….
Did you watch the replay again?
Collie was somewhat open, but Clark had beaten his coverage and was WIDE open, as in gone for 6 pts. I’m not criticizing Peyton for going to his #1 look, but if he’d glanced to the right and just lofted the ball, the game is tied. He had just enough time to do this before the pressure got there.
I'll rewatch the pick-6 for you
Of course, it’ll take several tries to properly ascertain Wayne’s effort, maybe even more…
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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 15, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
On the pick I don't think there was anything Wayne could have done to change the outcome once the route/throw was wrong
though him just stopping the route once Porter was well past him about to pick the ball looked bad.
On the Colts last play the pass to him was catchable but not easy.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Manning
might have led him a little too much, but I still think Reggie wasn’t doing everything he could to get to the ball. I still think his cut wasn’t very sharp to the inside. Probably his knee though.
You have a #93 guy
busting his ankle in the biggest stage of them all so, I expect his teammates to do the exact same thing. Call it pride, teamwork or dignity, but you have to play like there was no tomorrow because, there wasn’t actually.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, but
running at full speed and making sharp cuts seems a lot harder on your knee/ankle than doing what Freeney did. On Freeney’s big plays he wasn’t making any cuts, he was just bull-rushing and over-powering the Saint’s weak LT.
Like shake n bake says, there was nothing Wayne could have done. Porter knew what was going to happen and was baiting Manning into throwing that. Manning threw a shitty pass that never should have been thrown.
If he had known Tracy were that close
He could have made an effort to box him out.
That being said, there was no way for him to know with certainty – his back was turned, and last I checked, he doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head.
Wayne played injured. I’m giving him a free pass on this one.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Re: Valentine's Day Sucks thread
It’s at 1800 comments now, BBS. Yes, we are all beasts!!!
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
you know what happens if it gets 200 more comments....
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Feb 15, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
You're gonna shut it down
like a meth lab in some rural, country house down south?!
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Shake would know about that,
being in Iowa.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
I think KMR24 meant Texas. Them rednecks down there know meth.
Because uh, Iowa isn’t that far south?
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Any southern state will do
I’m from Tennessee and a few months ago I saw a lot of police cars parked behind a van near I-40 that happened to be a mobile meth lab.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
That ain't shit...
I live in Indiana and there’s a meth lab bust in my town at least once a week. Mobile ones are common.
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 15, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen one blow up
it was AWESOME
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Damn!
Did you lose all your dope or were able to salvage any? lol
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're mean.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
I was mostly referring to the rural, country part.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
So,
2,000 is the magic number now?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
He can shut that thread down
but he can’t stop us!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
We'll just come back from the ashes
stronger, like the Phoenix.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
Didn't Phoenix lose the divisional round this year?
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 15, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ignoring that.....
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
Something was wrong with him
but I choose to believe it was the knee. Reggie has made alot of big plays for us and has earned my confidence.
I think it was his knee
That was too big of a game for Reggie to let a little Randy Moss come out of him.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Reggie is a man
and doubt he will use it as an excuse to defend himself. I am sure he is sick over it without scumbag MSM rubbing his nose in it.
Agreed
That knee definetly bothered him, couldn’t sold his comeback routes all night long.
But there is no excuse, that
- he wasn’t chased Porter all the way,
- didn’t catch the ball at the end.
Reggie is my man, but that was a poor game from him. (btw: damn injuries…even on the last practice of the year…)
I still don't know how he dropped that 4th and Goal Pass that hit him in the hands.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Feb 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Eh.
We still would have lost.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
You still have to catch it.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I miss football already.
Anyway, even though I'm disappointed with Reggie (and Caldwell, and the ST's, etc)
I believe next year, they will absolutely go for it all. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a replay of the 04 season and having the Colts destroying everyone because, they actually can…
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Boy,
Wouldn’t that be nice. I can’t help feeling bad for the Colts – but especially for Peyton who keeps getting labeled a choker by the idiot media. At least Peter King sort of came to his rescue in SI today – but he still suggested that history shows Peyton can’t win the big one. How many big ones do you have to win before people stop saying that? Two? And what is “the big one”? Just the SB? So if you play like crap the entire year, but manage to get into the playoffs and win the SB then you are better than someone who played stellar the whole season, into the playoffs, but lost the SuperBowl by a team that outcoached you (and your rookie coach)? Just sayin…
Sure
Peyton is the reason I became a Colts fan. If he ever plays for some other team (God i hope not) I will still root for the Colts but also for Manning, wherever he is.
He deserves to be considered the best ever. He has played like a God, loves this game more than anyone, puts his heart on it, he has resisted all that stupid trash thrown at him (which makes absolutely no sense), has earned that paycheck eveysingle season (love that quote from him), has redefined the game: simply the best ever.
He deserves the rings not because its what the media considers to determine greatness, but because its the ultimate trophy in this sport.
Imagine if he retires with 5 rings…God, for all I know he deserves 18…
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I will take 1 more ring for him….anything more than he has now is a plus.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I completely agree.
I would, of course, like him to get many more simply because he is the awesomest!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 15, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
also
I love Reggie and everything he has done for the Colts and a bad game for him, no matter if its the SB or the season kickoff, won’t make me forget that.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Feb 15, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gracious
I logged onto IndyStar to see the comments on Kravitz article, which was a pretty good one, and goodness gracious. People are such haters. In between Saints fans posting “Who Dat” like a million times, and other folks trying to drag politics into this (“Obama is Hitler, and so are the Colts” (?)) – I am so glad that StampedeBlue is around.
We get trolls here too....
we just bother running them out of here. We also focus on more important things than politics around here, like poker and KY ads.
Illegal block in the back !!!
I dunno … how no one didnt see illegal block-in-the-back committed by Saints Defensive End Will Smith (#91) on Peyton Manning.watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO3egNOYwU or http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=56893
If we add on that , earlier blown call by officials on 2 point conversations , it’s clearly that we had very bad officiating in most important game of the season that cost us at least 9 points.
On Wayne: Lately he played poorly , he couldnt make a separation , rarely beat corner back , which is very strange for WR that caliber.Only play in SB was on 4th down in 4th quorter when Peyton threw quick slant toward Reggie it was good for gain of 14y and first down, but that drive was finished with missed field goal…
Y'know what?
I had thought when I’d originally heard this mentioned that it was a “grasping” sort of argument—until I watched it just now. You’re absolutely right, that was unquestionably a block in the back and shouldn’t have resulted in a touchdown. Still would have been an interception, but it would have been Saints’ ball on the 50-ish (I think), and our defense might have had some chance to do something. Given how the game was to that point, I kinda doubt they would have done much of anything, but you never know.
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Manning presented his back
You can’t draw a foul.
That’s like taking a dive in soccer. It’s childish but funny to watch.
"There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that stand around and wonder what the hell happened." -- Drew Brees
Where is that in the rulebook?
Manning was trying to locate the ball carrier, who only at the point of the block crossed back inside.
Again, this is not a slight against your team in any way, like they were the beneficiaries of a non-call; they won the game, they are the winners. Even had that been flagged, I really have no doubt Brees would have punched it in. Call the spade a spade, though. Aaron Rogers got facemasked, and Peyton got blocked in the back. Doesn’t change history, doesn’t make the wins by the other teams less significant.
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It might not be in the rulebook...
but that’s not something that is generally called. If you over-run the ball-carrier and present your back to a blocker, you don’t have much of a chance to get a call.
Officiating in any game is not perfect, and the SB gets scrutinized more than any other game. Fans of the losing team will always bitch and moan about missed calls. This isn’t a missed call you should bitch about. Peyton didn’t deserve a call in this instance.
Did Peyton was over-run tracy porter...
Did Peyton was over-run tracy porter or he’s just been pushed while he was trying to stop Portrer.I think if he wasn’t been pushed in the back he would tackle Tracy Porter or slow him down or disrupt him. Why would #91 Will Smith touches Peyton if he over-running Tracy Porter ? Anyway #91 did mistake and he got away with it.
Saints won game righteously , i give them a credit , hat off to them , this is not whining or moaning , I just want to see exactly what happened on that play.
Can't fully understand your poor English but...
Yes, Manning over-ran Porter, since his back was to Porter as Porter ran by him.
You mention how you’d like to see what happened on that play, why don’t you just look it up on Youtube? Perhaps you should not be speculating and arguing with people about the play if you haven’t even seen the play.
What happened first...
What happened first : Manning over-run Porter or Manning been hit and then over-run Porter. I think second choice was right what happened there. If Manning over-run Porter why would Smith even touch him? That is ridiculous. And I’m not arguing with anyone, Im sorry if you offended by any of my comments , it wasn’t my intention. I don’t think that I’m insulted anyone.
Manning over-ran Porter
I guess this is where your opinion differs from mine.
And I don’t think it is “ridiculous” to think that a player would block a defender near the ball-carrier.
It's ridiculous ....
If Manning was ran-over (like u said) Porter , if Manning was running away from him , why would any-buddy block Manning ?
It happens all the time
Just because a QB isn’t going to make a tackle, doesn’t mean he isn’t going to be blocked. Players salivate at the chance to hit a QB and will do it any chance they get, especially if the QB is in the same vicinity as the ball-carrier like this situation.
It happens all the time....
….that during the return someone is been illegally blocked or hold and officials often nullify TD.
This time problem was also that we played against all…Whole world wants to see Saints win SB, refs help them and now they trying to justify their mistakes. Just couple of them have enough dignity to say that officials little help them, even that confession is nothing going to change at all…
And I want to repeat that we dont lost the game because of officials , Saints victory is clear, I just want to point that refs contributed in our L
Right
There was a vast conspiracy, everyone was against you, the officials made sure that their calls went against you, blah blah bullshit.
This is the same shit that Cardinals fans said after last Superbowl, the same shit Patriots fans said 2 years ago, the same shit Bears fans said 3 years ago, and the same shit Seahawk fans said 4 years ago. If a team loses a superbowl, its’ fans are going to be whiny and bitch about how the refs screwed them. This is a fact of life.
If you want to argue about whether this was a missed call, then do it, but don’t bring in this conspiracy bullshit about how the refs wanted to see the Colts lose.
I have to say
I thought this was one of the most cleanly reffed (is that a word?) Super Bowls. I actually believe Holmes did not get his right toe down, but that’s a matter for placing cameras at field level.
I’m GLAD we’re not really talking about bad calls (only a few are), and that we’re talking about the fact that the Saints simply outplayed the Colts.
NO EXCUSES
How can you not love a team that does this?
There's the right attitude
I thought it was clean as well. This is coming from a fairly unbiased source(only had $25 riding on the Colts) and I thought the refs let them play and only called what they had to.
I didnt say it was conspiracy
you deliberately did wrong interpretation of what i was saying – I never said or mention conspiracy. Here’s my list of reasons why Colts lost SB
1. Saints played better when it counts most – in second half
2. Refs helped them (i dont know why, is it deliberately , but it’s fact)
3. We actually played in NO at Superdome not in Miami – Colts played against whole people in Miami .
Its very difficult to win when you see that reasons
You said:
The refs wanted to see the Saints win and so they helped them win. I would say that is the definition of a conspiracy. You don’t have to actually say the word “conspiracy” for you to accuse the officials of such.
We actually played in NO at Superdome not in Miami – Colts played against whole people in Miami
What the fuck are you talking about? You played in Miami at a neutral site. If there weren’t enough Colts fans there, then that is your fault and the fault of all Colts fans. This excuse is just sad.
It was the same as in NO at Superdome...
for us it was like a road game, they can say they played home game.
Refs are people too, no matters how much they were trying to stay neutral, i believe they reflected that hype – liked to see Saints win SB i dont know perhaps it was subconsciously or so….
So
one of your excuses for why the Colts lost is that it was like a road game. Big fucking deal. You only have yourself and other Colts fans to blame for not going to the game.
Tickets weren’t reserved for just Saints fans. If another team has more fans than you do, then too bad. Super Bowls aren’t known for being loud anyways.
This is pointless...
i would go more to post, but that would be pointless…I cant convince you in some thinghs, also you cant convince me….this is the point where I give up….
OK, let be one thing that we can agree and let it be on me: My english is sucks !!
They'd have been in the same vicinity
if Porter had not cut inside. Obviously I strongly doubt Manning would have made the tackle even had he not be blocked, but I think it’s pretty clear that he was. All you have to do to “present your back” to a blocker is be in front of him.
Anyhow, I’m not bitching about this call/non-call because as I stated, I don’t believe it would have changed the outcome of the game. What I am bitching about is enforcement of rules. If rules are on the books, they should be enforced; otherwise, take them off the books. Same goes for holding on defensive ends (not just ours): if the rule is there, call it consistently. Otherwise, what’s the point?
It actually does remind me a bit of the incident after the AFC title game those years ago when Polian complained to the rest of the competition committee about how the Patriots’ DB’s were playing the Colts’ receivers. The reason the committee raised the issue with the league office and the referees is because the rule was on the books, but it wasn’t being enforced. If I remember, Jeff Fisher had the same gripe, and was also on the committee at the time.
All any NFL fan should ask for, really, is consistency in officiating. If my team is guilty of the penalty, so be it.
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
"All you have to do to "present your back" to a blocker is be in front of him"
I’m not sure I fully understand what you’re trying to say there.
The enforcement of the rule WAS actually called consistently in this situation as per the rule book. As tigerpaw mentioned below, the rule book reads:
It is not a block in the back if:
(a) the opponent turns away from the blocker, or;
(b) if both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side.
It appeared to me that Manning turned away from the blocker, thus “presenting his back” and making the block legal.
If you really want to bitch about something, don’t bitch about the non-call, and instead bitch about Manning’s poor attempt at a tackle.
it's rare
we use “Manning” and “tackle” in the same sentence, lol. This is definitely an area where he is given a free pass… I want him running away from the ball in those situations, not toward it (see: Divisional Playoffs, NFC; Sharper, Darren; and Warner, Kurt)
How can you not love a team that does this?
^^this^^
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 16, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Here is one area where QB’s like Manning can lose games due to his poor effort. Manning and Favre have both lost games due to poor attempts at tackling, while Ben Roethlisberger beat the Colts and went to the Super Bowl in 2006 with his tackle of Nick Harper.
I don’t mean to bash Manning too much, but perhaps if he put more effort into tackling the Colts would fare better in huge playoff games like this.
In fairness,
Nick Harper had, only days before, suffered a stab wound to his thigh from his nutty-bitch ex.
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
And Steelers fans thank you
Miss Harper, for being a nutty bitch and “accidentally” stabbing him during an argument.
please
Manning did not “lose” this game due to “poor effort.” Completing 31 of 45 attempts, for 333 yards is not poor effort. Winning SEVEN games throughout the season from 4th quarter deficits (some quite late) almost entirely on his play, is not “poor effort.” In that ONE play, he did in fact try to make the tackle, but he didn’t have the position and he doesn’t have the athleticism to close at that distance/angle. Your comments have crossed the line of being trollish.
Where is PUD with his graphic?
How can you not love a team that does this?
I wasn't
saying he didn’t give his all when he was passing the ball, I really don’t give a shit about his passing stats as related to this discussion. I was trying to say QB’s like Manning, Favre, and Warner all seem to give half-hearted attempts at tackling that have ended up hurting their teams.
I’m not trying to be a troll, I just honestly think that it often looks like Manning doesn’t go all out after throwing a pick and trying to make a tackle.
Like you said, you want Manning running away from the ball-carrier and not even try to make a tackle. He gets a free pass in this department.
I see alot more effort coming out of QB’s like Roethlisberger and Mark Sanchez who sell out to make a tackle when they throw a pick.
ok fair enough
you clearly struck a nerve with me, but thanks for responding nicely
you’re right – other QBs do give more effort in tackling, and unfortunately this situation came at the worst possible time. But he’s probably got a lot of training to NOT lay it out there, so it was likely to be an instinctual reaction.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Other QBs
Also end up injured of all their “effort” costing their teams playoff spots. Where were the Steelers in January?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Feb 17, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
Ben was injured, but that probably had more to do with his O-line sucking ass than him trying to make tackles. He is reckless though, and that recklessness has cost him some injuries. But that recklessness(through tackling, scrambling, dropping his shoulder into tacklers, etc.) has won more games than it has lost him.
Some trolls hare harder to identify than others...

Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
I withdraw my troll remark
like I said – he struck a nerve
How can you not love a team that does this?
What I'm saying
is that there is a very limited set of circumstances in which a player can actually try to intentionally draw a blocking-in-the-back penalty, and that none of those circumstances were involved on that play. Manning was attempting to take an angle on the ball carrier, and that angle didn’t end up coinciding with Porter’s angle because Manning was blocked in the back. If you freeze the video at the point that Porter pointed, you’ll see Will Smith juuuuust about to put that block on Manning. Porter at that point had not yet cut to the inside, which means that Manning would have had a shot to tackle him.
Again, I have to stress that I don’t believe Manning makes that tackle, regardless of the block and regardless of the inside cut. I don’t expect Manning to make any kind of tackle in any set of circumstances, even though he has once or twice in the past. But nevertheless, those angles would have intersected within a matter of milliseconds if Porter doesn’t make his cut. Manning couldn’t possibly have “turned away” from Smith, because he was taking a (more or less) straight angle the entire time.
Incidentally, I can’t speak for any other discussions you’ve had in this blog, but I’m enjoying the debate here thus far. Welcome.
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I will agree that the call was questionable
especially if you have the luxury of freezing the video and dissecting it like we can. However, watching the video at regular speed, it looked to me like Porter cut inside, Manning continued running outside with his back to Porter, and then was blocked in his back when he wasn’t facing the play.
All this happened in about a quarter of a second and was nearly impossible for a ref to see exactly what had happened on the field. So while I would call it a questionable call, I would not call it a blown or missed call.
I absolutely agree with you....
It was couple of years ago when Manning made a tackle after his interception. It was @ RCA dome… i remembering, after interception he licked his fingertips first and then made a touchdown saving tackle on opponent’s 30-35y…It was very good tackle though.
Unlike Favre's illegal block of Eugene Wilson this year
costing Favre $10,000 and Wilson an injured knee.
Keep the faith!
I guess we'll just have to take your word
Since you didn’t even tell us when it was or who they were playing. Great anecdotal evidence.
It was 12/02 2007 Colts played against Jags...
home game , Colts won 28-25
3-2-JAX 11(3:29) P.Manning pass short middle intended for D.Clark INTERCEPTED by R.Nelson at JAX -4.
R.Nelson to JAX 33 for 37 yards (P.Manning).
I remember very good that action
Are u satisfied , now. Are U sure you dont want video prove…but it might be forgery, you know …. better dont believe. Stay in believing that only Little Ben can do it.
But it was illegal block no matter...
I dont know if you Colts fan or not, but in game that Colts played in 2009 (unfortunately i cant remember against who ) at Lucas Oil , Peyton threw interception , and Dallas Clark been pretty far from guy that intercepted ball , but he was completely smacked down, and officials threw the flag. Game was on the CBS an Dan Dierdorf said " Oh yes , you can ‘t do it …" , I mean everyone agreed with that call.
Same thing , happened in SB , even Pey was much closer and he might be a factor during the return if he wasn’t been pushed. And of course you can’t hear from media that officials did mistakes that hurts Colts , because all media rooted for Saints in this game…
Regardless of foul or no foul...
our defense wasn’t stopping them in the 2nd half. It was clear that Freeney became a non-factor then, Brees had all day to throw the ball. And Hayden was playing cushions as big as Jennings. ugh.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 15, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fact but still....
Our defense was terrible in second half and that is true, but my point wasn’t on that thing. My point wasn on that what happened during the return for TD.I dont want to diminish clear victory by the Saints but for the matter of fact that was illegal block in the back at colts 48y and if flag had been thrown , it would be Saints ball on his 42 or 37 , and our defense would get another chance to finally stop them for a once in second half…
And I heard so many times that officiating in SB was perfect and so… that’s not true. If you look game again carefully you can spot the errors. OK, but just dont say it was good officiating , we’ve been screwed for 9 points…
Defense
In the 2nd half they were pathetic….the soft cover 2 scheme was doing nothing. I thought Caldwell should have taken a timeout during the drive immediately after the onside kick to let his defense catch a breath and I was saying that while it happened. They never recovered from the onside kick (the defense) for some reason…no pressure at all and when Freeney wasn’t in the game they still didn’t bring any pressure with LBs or a safety blitz. It was very bad to watch. I didn’t like it because the Colts would bring pressure in key situations all season long and didn’t do it in the biggest game.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
NFL officiating rule book (from the 2006 online version)
Section 3 Blocking
Legal Block
Blocking is the act of obstructing or impeding an opponent by contacting him with a part
of the blocker’s body.
A Block in the Back is a block that is delivered from behind an opponent above his waist.
It is not a block in the back if:
(a) the opponent turns away from the blocker, or;
(b) if both of the blocker’s hands are on the opponent’s side.
I think Peyton was smartly, trying to draw a penalty here; as Tracy is the fastest Saints defender…
by TigerPaw on Feb 16, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember when Garcon ran back to stip ed reed?
it woulda been nice to see even a little bit of hustle outta reggie after the pick.
sore knee and field condition
Did anybody not notice the field wasn’t in great shape? They’d had rain, and the field was soft, and no one was cutting that well. If Reggie’s knee was even a bit sore or stiff, there is no surprise he didn’t cut that sharply. On a fast surface he probably would have been fine, but at the level these guys play even small factors like that can make a big difference.
After all the effort these guys have put in, isn’t it disgraceful that anyone listens when some idiot media starts to makeup a story about Reggie sulking.
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing...
I did notice poor field condition.
Guys on both teams were slipping.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 15, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
4th Quarter route
I think it was just a miscommunication between Reggie and Peyton. Reggie wasn’t running a route that would result in a slant..it almost looked like he thought he was going to be the decoy. Collie was wide open across the middle by the way.
If anyone questions the 4th and goal play at the end of the game, Reggie didn’t even know what the play call was…he threw his hands up several times while the team was at the line and when the ball was snapped he just jogged towards the goal line because he didn’t know where he was supposed to be.
There were a lot of things that went wrong for the Colts last Sunday, but I can’t blame Reggie for the defeat.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Maybe Reggie shoud be in slot...
Now after all that happened in that action is easy to be pundit….but sometimes Peyton playing action with Reggie in slot position and running underneath route while Collie play as outside receiver.
Or when i just remember last year situations on 3rd down when Peyton usually played on Gonzo , and often it was in back shoulder . It was pretty successful combination…. do you remember ?
Just to help you
it’s called “running the play action to [player],” not “playing action with [player].” Probably not an easy distinction if – as I assume – English is not your first language. If that is the case and you plan on continuing to comment here or other SBNation boards, it might be a good idea to update your profile so people understand your background.
Otherwise, I don’t have a comment on the idea as I don’t think they put Reggie in the slot more than a couple plays throughout the year. Might be an interesting idea.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Ty 4 helping me
…but i didnt mean “play-action” . I meant on clear “gun” (shotgun) actions when Manning lines-up Wayne in slot position, and in those situations Wayne runs underneath route. I saw it couple of times , not so seldom as you said.
you're prob right
shake just made a comment in another thread about Reggie in the slot and I’m usually not watching those details…
How can you not love a team that does this?
Agreed with Ace of Spades
I don’t blame Reggie for the loss and I don’t blame Peyton either. In fact, I believed in that moment that the game was over unless the Colts could somehow run out the clock on that drive and force overtime.
The way the Saints were moving the ball on their last two drives, and the fact that their kicker looked like he could hit about a 75-yd FG, I felt that even if the Colts scored there, the Saints would’ve won 27-24. That 4th quarter come-from-behind magic that had been there through the first 14 games was just clearly not there.
Reminds me of..
This sort of rush and disorganized way reminds me of the Chargers loss last season when, with Manning pinned on his own 3 yard line, the entire offensive line didn’t stand up at the snap.
Maybe with Caldwell a little more experience will yield more creative plays. Also, witha new offensive coordinator will cause Manning to take more control of the plays.
I don't think Moore is retiring
which can always change. But, I do know that Mudd already announced his retirement. And, when asked, Moore stated that he will coach until they don’t let him anymore – or words to that effect. Peyton already has more control of the plays than any other QB playing today. I would say that the game planning was too conservative (ala Dungy)…they did play not to lose instead of playing to win. Which is odd, because Caldwell hadn’t had that attitude all season.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 15, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I need to rewatch that play, but I disagree with Kuharsky
So before I go too deep into this, let me emphasize that I’m working from memory, and a re-watching of it at a later time when such won’t cause me to vomit might lead me to change my mind. But for now, this is what I remember:
I recall seeing New Orlean’s deep cover all flow right. I recall Reggie cutting his route off with only Porter in the vicinity. What I think happened was that Wayne saw an opportunity when everyone else went right, improvised by cutting off his route, then froze because he was afraid his body cues would lead Manning to throw poorly since he (Wayne) was improvising. And despite all that thinking, all Porter ended up seeing was a receiver sitting on his route, which is an easy pick if you’re willing to gamble that it’s not a stop-and-go (which in this case, it wasn’t). Regardless of whether Wayne was “dogging it” or simply sitting to give his QB an easy throw, the fact remains that he stopped and squatted in his route. The only question is, what was his rationale? I can’t see him giving up on a play in the freakin’ Super Bowl, but dogging things suggests that he was certain that the pass would go elsewhere. If that were the case, why’d he stop and turn, especially right when the deep cover guys turned to their left (Indy’s right)?
Might I be overthinking this? Oh, heck yeah; it’s entirely possible. I’ll admit it. I might be wrong. But like I said, I’m working from memory here, and it’s my honest conclusion from what I recall.
And before Kuharsky dogs Wayne for “giving up”, let’s recall that damn near everybody else on the defense saw a cue that made them go to Indy’s right (their left). Could Wayne playing “dog” have been that cue? Again, maybe I’m overthinking things, but really, one way or another the deep safety, middle linebacker, and someone else playing cover headed towards Garçon and whoever else was over there (Clark?). Something made them do that. Porter gets full credit for an “island” play, but the bulk of the defense was indeed out of position to do anything about Wayne. That’s what I recall.
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Wayne didn't dog it
You are right…Wayne wasn’t running a quick slant, he was in the process of studder stepping about 4 times and then turning around when the pass went to the inside and Porter jumped it. I just don’t think Manning and Wayne were on the same page because Wayne ran the slant route about 4 plays before that and it worked perfectly. Either Wayne or Peyton had the wrong route and it backfired badly. I’m not going to say that Wayne dogged it or anything like that because, watching the replay several times now, Wayne wasn’t running a slant route so it was just a miscommunication.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
So I got it somewhat right?

Hey, while you’re at it: Was I right about the deep coverage all flowing away from Wayne? I thought i spotted both (not just one) of the safeties plus someone midrange (the MLB??) flowing in the direction of the Colts right side. But I’m still too heartbroken to go dig up some clips of the play. :(
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Clark
had beaten the LB or whoever was covering him on that play. He was definitely not the 1st or 2nd read, but if we had somehow gotten the ball to him he was gone, the game was tied. The NFL Network showed the reply the other day and it is painful to see, but both Collie (somewhat) and Clark (totally) were open on the 3rd n 5. In the game audio from the Saints sideline, Sean Payton is saying over and over “don’t let Clark beat us…don’t let their best player beat us…don’t let their best player beat us…” And he was right, Dallas beat them all game, including on the infamous 3rd n 5.
When you finally rewatch the game
Check out around 11:50-11:30 in the 3rd. Its when we return the KO after the NO TD. and watch the total No call on the ‘legal’ block. didnt think you could block someone without the ball to the ground and then climb on them and continue blocking them
/Justsayin’
Refs blow the whistle and then repeatedly blow the whistle.

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