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Bethea for Dansby?

I'm jumping dangerously close to the edge of my football knowledge, but a couple of seemingly-unrelated posts got me to thinking...

First, I saw this blog entry this morning indicating that there are rumors of Indy's interest in about-to-be-released-to-unrestricted-free-agency Arizona Cardinal Karlos Dansby.  My first reaction was, "well the Colts can be interested all they want, but unless we lose a free agent to another team, we cannot sign one of our own."

Then this morning, the post indicating that the Colts are working first to re-sign Gary Brackett, potentially at the expense of tendering Antoine Bethea.

These two rumors (for that's all they are for now) may be completely unrelated, but could the Colts be willing to allow Bethea to sign elsewhere so as to pick up Dansby?  Not sure it makes sense, as I believe it would weaken our depth at Safety more than it would improve depth and capability at LB.  It also seems to be a dangerous game of timing... what happens if Bethea is allowed to sign elsewhere and the Colts still lose in the lottery for Dansby?

Thoughts?

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The Colts need

to find away to keep Bethea. He was probably the most consistent player in the secondary Indy had all year and has played every game the past few seasons, IIRC. The Colts need depth in the Secondary, and they need it now.

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by KMR24 on Feb 20, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

hmm

I’d think it’s more likely that Dansby is plan B for if they can’t get Brackett on a deal they like. Dansby is a big LB and plays 3-4 ILB and 4-3 SAM in the Cards hybrid D. So I guess he could work at MLB or SAM, but I don’t see them shelling out big money on 2 LBs, unless Irsay is throwing open the pocketbook like a big market owner.

by shake n bake on Feb 20, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe...

… unless Irsay is throwing open the pocketbook like a big market owner.

OR… they’re sending Brackett a bit of a message during negotiations.

Just sayin’

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by teej813 on Feb 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Irsay is known to not be cheap,

unlike some other owners.

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by Cassieper on Feb 21, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Safeties>OLBs in the Cover-2.

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-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Feb 20, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

I love Dansby, but

I agree that trade would make no sense for the Colts. Unless there was one serious transformation in scheme. The current setup is way more reliant on playmakers at the safety position than OLB, and I don’t think Dansby would be great getting in the deep zones down the middle. To me keeping Bethea is paramount.

by GonzoBlue on Feb 20, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

just to clarify

I wasn’t proposing a trade, just that the Colts needs to allow someone to walk to be able to acquire a FA prospect

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 20, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

oops!

I messed up in my wording. Meant to say trade-off.

by GonzoBlue on Feb 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bethea is a top 10 safety in the league

Dansby is not a top 10 LB.

Even if Dansby WERE a Top 10 LB the drop from Dansby to Brackett is not anywhere near bad enough to justify the drop from Bethea to whomever.

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by SpazMo on Feb 20, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'd put Bethea in top 10

If he had better hands. He missed some easy interceptions in some games last season, and turnovers might help us to win easier

Of course we might have a healthy Bob Sanders for an entire season... when we play Madden

by trOOly on Feb 21, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Was Bethea the guy that

missed that INT in the Super Bowl? or was it Bullitt or some other guy?

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by BlueMark1821 on Feb 22, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It was Bullitt

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by KMR24 on Feb 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't they both miss one?

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi

by gizzardfanny on Feb 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

There was one the announcers

said was too high for Bethea to grab. In my estimation it was a lot closer and right off his fingertips. Not saying we would’ve won but it would’ve helped.

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by NYKings on Feb 22, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I remembered screaming at Bethea too...

But I had no intentions of watching the damn thihng again to confirm my memory.

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi

by gizzardfanny on Feb 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

We think alike

I’m not re-watching to be 100% sure

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by NYKings on Feb 22, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna ask my little brother to rewatch

He simply loves watching the Colts being beaten by any team. And he asked me to buy him the official World Cup soccer ball for his birthday!

Of course we might have a healthy Bob Sanders for an entire season... when we play Madden

by trOOly on Feb 22, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Leverage

I think this is more an attempt at leverage with Brackett then anything else.

by Silver7 on Feb 20, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Nonononononononnonono

No way in hell are we giving away Bethea

You just witnessed a legend above

by believeinblue41 on Feb 21, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

I love Bethea

But remember when Dansby came out of college and was projected by some to be a Colts pick. He seemed to not really shine his first few years and I remember thinking, “excellent non-pick” but nowadays…. I’d consider it.

Part of the equation is “how comfortable are you with Sanders’s health and ability to play 19 games?”

I’m not that confident, ergo, Bethea (and Bullitt) is/are more important than Dansby would be. They’re both younger, and as good at their positions.

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by Bobman on Feb 22, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeppers:
Part of the equation is "how comfortable are you with Sanders’s health and ability to play 19 games?"

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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

more comfortable

with a high colonic in tijuana.

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by SpazMo on Feb 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Now,

THAT’S saying something!!

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by peytonsthebest on Feb 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish I knew what that was

without looking it up.

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by Cassieper on Feb 22, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a town in Mexico

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by ctnyc on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha

rec’d

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by teej813 on Feb 24, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I rather have Bethea

There’s some talent at LB – not Dansby level but good enough to stick with. Bethea on the other hand is really a top talent at Safety and with him, Bullitt, and Sanders (if healthy) there’s a lot of great talent there.

Bethea can get better (he’s young so he will) but he’s awesome already so I’m content.

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by NYKings on Feb 22, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

He’s got much room to improve, as well as Bullitt. But I think Bethea might have to begin training his catching skills with Painter so he can grab the ball properly. Yeah, it may sound crazy, but it’s a way to train both of them: Painter’s accuracy and Bethea’s catching.

Of course we might have a healthy Bob Sanders for an entire season... when we play Madden

by trOOly on Feb 22, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, yup

bethea is much harder to replace.

by metal_militia on Feb 22, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no way the Colts let Bethea sign elsewhere in 2010

Bethea is a RFA given the uncapped 2010 of the current/expiring CBA. The Colts will either use/pay the 1st round pick qualifying offer ($2.521M) or the 1st + 3rd qualifying offer ($3.168M). More likely the latter to be on the safe side, and both options are more than acceptable given the situation/player in return.

The only way Bethea leaves the Colts is if another team signs him to an offer sheet, and the Colts don’t match that offer, getting the respective pick(s) as noted above in return. Recall the situation with Jason David in 2007.

There’s no sense whatsoever to the Colts trading the rights to Bethea, he is an incredibly valuable player. Sanders, Bullitt, and Silva are more SS than FS, whereas Bethea is the opposite, and Aaron Francisco isn’t as good as Bethea. Like others have stated above, he’s one of the better/best starting free safeties in the league. Arizona would definitely love to have him, that part is correct.

In fact I expect the Colts to franchise tag Bethea next offseason, to keep him for another year until they can either sign him long-term or find a capable successor.

And all the while two years of Bethea could cost close to what Dansby will likely get in his first year of his new deal. I’m not crazy about Dansby myself, I thought Arizona was overpaying him big-time the last two seasons.

by project geo on Feb 22, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

What

The Colts will definitely resign Bethea. Also, I doubt there is any weight behind this Dansby rumor. As a poster earlier said, we don’t demand that much of our outside backers. Also, we very rarily dabble in free agency anyway, why would we do it now that there are so many restrictions for what might be a marginal upgrade and a much bigger cap hit?

by Robert Simpson on Feb 24, 2010 3:18 AM EST reply actions  

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