Colts rumored to covet Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby
by Brad Wells on Feb 20, 2010 4:00 PM EST
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PrintLovinBlue caught this little number in The Palm Beach Post:
The Arizona Republic reported Friday that the Cardinals will not place the franchise tag on [Karlos Dansby] and will allow him to hit free agency when his contract expires March 5.
Miami, Indianapolis and the New York Giants are among the teams rumored to be in the market for the 6-foot-4, 250-pounder. A second-round pick of the Cardinals in 2004, Dansby is said to be eyeing a deal in the $30 million range.
If the Colts really and truly want Dansby, it means they have no faith with Philip Wheeler at strong side backer. It also likely means that they have no plans to give Antoine Bethea a long-term deal
Then again, as of right now, there is likely no salary cap for 2010. So, I have no idea what the Colts really can or cannot do. I just know that signing Dansby and not locking up Bethea would be colossally stupid. Also, Wheeler played well at strong side, as did Tyjuan Hagler before he landed on IR. Is Karlos Dansby really that much of an upgrade? I mean, I don't think he sucks or anything, but Wheeler is only entering his third year. He really grew up as a player from the Patriots game to the Super Bowl. I'm not sure it makes sense to sit him and spend $30 million on a free agent linebacker like Dansby, which is something the Colts NEVER do.
Revenge of the Birds has more on Dansby.
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I think it's more likely that Dansby is being looked at as plan B for Brackett
it fits better with the value they’ve placed on OLBs in the past, and Dansby plays ILB in the Cards 3-4 portions of their hybrid D.
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That makes more sense.
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As long as they're able
to get contracts for Brackett, Bethea and Bullitt first.
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yes
we need to do this signing business in alphabetical order! ;-)
How can you not love a team that does this?
Agreed...spend all the $$ on offense!
Our D is deep. The young guys are playing great and have probowls in their future.the older guys are great leaders and have the some of the best stats in the league. Also, we will have the many defenders on IR last year again so Larry Coyer should be really happy.
Offense and Special Teams need help. O-Line, a playmaker, return man, etc.
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by Firebird on Feb 20, 2010 4:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would be realy surprised
Like you say he wouldnt be much of an upgrade, and he definately wouldnt be cheap.
I could be wrong, but I believe
The rule is that since the Colts finished in the top 8, they can only sign a free agent when they lose a player in free agency. And when that happens, they can only sign them for as much as the player that left. So I think the only way the Colts could realistically have a shot at Dansby is if Brackett leaves, and even so Miami could pay a lot more than we could.
Keep in mind, I’ve been very wrong about these kind of things before, but I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of rule in effect in an uncapped year that would severely limit our abilities to pursue free agents from other teams. It’s their way of maintaining competitive balance without a salary cap.
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Makes sense
this whole uncapped year thing is very, very confusing except it’s clear that it will severely limit our realistic options in free agency.
How can you not love a team that does this?
you are right
about the fact that the Colts can’t sign a free agent. unless they lose one in free agency, but I am fairly certain money is not a factor. So the Colts could not resign Stover (which they won’t) and sign someone else.
At least I’m pretty sure about this.
by thejoshbaker on Feb 20, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
The salary is a factor
There are rules somewhere (probably NFL.com) but there’s a limit to 30% pay raise and a limit on Final 8 team offers. I just can’t remember which is which.
Seems like once or twice an offseason
a high profile or somewhat high profile name gets tied to the Colts as an offseason free agent/trade possibility. I remember a couple of yrs ago when Deangelo Hall’s name kept popping up, last year there was some ridiculous Haynesworth speculation, hell, even Randy Moss was mentioned as a possibility after the ’07 season.
In short, this is all speculation, and while the Colts may have inquired about him, they are likely just window shopping in case they can’t resign Brackett or Bethea, both of who should be re-signed.
And I’m with you, Wheeler has more upside than Dansby, improved every game this season, and will only get better. Dansby is way more expensive and not really that much better than Wheeler, so…….I call BS on this.
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Until he cuts his damn hair
I will never like Wheeler as much as I like Hagler. AND even if he ever cuts that mop, I will still prefer Hagler.
I’ve always liked Dansby too, but that seems unlikely.
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Karlos*
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by Addai Another Aday on Feb 20, 2010 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be shocked
If Polian when after that kind of free agent unless we lost Brackett. Even at that, Brackett would probably be cheaper if that is the kind of money Dansby expected. Brackett suits our defense, but I doubt he is the kind of player other teams would throw huge money at.
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Wheeler and Hagler playing well???
*confused"
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Tyjuan did play well!
…was really good against te run.
On the other hand, i’m still not a big Wheeler fan.
I'm not really high on any of our LBs
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by gizzardfanny on Feb 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I said that last year too
I’m not in love with Brackett like some are…I still think the MLB position can be upgraded.
But I do understand his value to this defense and leadership is a huge plus. Also, he played much better against the run this season.
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I think the fact that we're trying to throw money at a linebacker
says all that needs to be said about Brackett’s value to the team.
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Hagler is pretty solid/good.
He just always ends up on PUP/IR.
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There’s no way this is going to happen people. The Colts would have to lose Gary Brackett to a huge deal from some other team before they could even consider looking in the free agent market, according to the new rules in the CBA this season, which I also explained on my site (cough).
Would I be willing to lose Brackett for Dansby? Probably not. Would I cry if it did happen? Nah.
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Not Buying It
Maybe they’re playing that card for leverage with Brackett’s agent but for the Colts to play premium free agent dollars for a position that they generally haven’t put a premium on is hard to swallow. I’d like to bet against that. Is there a bookie anywhere taking a prop bet on that?
Key word in the article:
RUMORED
Translation of key word in article: “I, the writer, have got to come up with some teams to link to this free agent, and I deliberately left out any sourcing so that it wouldn’t be obvious that this is my idea.”
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Eh...
First, Dansbdy IS that much of an upgrade over Hagler/Wheeler. It’s not even close. Karlos is a great player and the other two may not even be average.
However… I would much rather retain Bethea. We are thin at Safety as is and losing Bethea would be a huge loss. I guess I am curious why everyone jumped to the assumption that signing Dansby would be at the expense of Bethea. Would it not make more sense to let Marlin Jackson’s $2.7 million salary walk out the door?… or was everyone assuming that we have to lose them both.
Even so, this sounds like a major long shot and is more likely about covering your bases in case Brackett can’t be re-signed.
I know I made the assumption
because of the new rules requiring we lose a FA to gain one… I suppose it could be anyone who is let walk, but they have to sign with another team… not sure if/when MJax would be signed with someone else and whether that would be in time for the Colts to go after Dansby
pure speculation
How can you not love a team that does this?
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