Matt Stover and Hank Baskett likely gone; maybe Tim Jennings
by Brad Wells on Feb 22, 2010 10:00 AM EST
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PrintBefore we start hooting and hollering about Mike Chappell all but guaranteeing that Matt Stover, Hank Baskett, and Tim Jennings are likely not to be on the Colts roster in 2010, kindly step back and look at the big picture. Both Stover and Baskett were short-term fixes because of injuries to established veterans, namely Adam Vinatieri and Anthony Gonzalez. Both Vinny and Gonzo are expected back in 2010, making Stover (age 42) and Baskett (fourth WR, special teams guy) expendable.
This means that even if the Colts had won Super Bowl 44 and both Stover and Baskett were the heroes of the game, they likely would still be gone from this team's roster in 2010.
Tim Jennings is a different matter. I certainly do not think he was "bad" in 2009. We never saw him get beat on a deep throw, like David Macklin and Jason David. He was a good special teams tackler and a decent nickle corner. Now, does that mean he was worth taking in Round Two of the 2006 NFL Draft? Hell no! From that perspective, he's been a bust. However, he hasn't been "horrible" the way a lot of people have labeled him. But, with the ascension of Jerraud Powers and Jacob Lacey, and the likelihood that the Colts will re-sign Marlin Jackson, Jennings is just the odd man out.
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Sure, Jennings isn't "horrible"...
He just likes to give a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 1’s…
Thank god Baskett’s leaving. ugh.
This is the problem, right there
We may have been too hard on him by concentrating on the cushion he gives. And dammit, like I said, when he finally gets there, he tackles. I cannot say this enough. His guy does not get away.
But…
The original criticism – the cushion – is still legit. He tackles his man solo, but the receiver ends up having a first down anyway by the time he gets there. He does little damage beyond that first down, but that damage is enough. This makes Jennings a great prevent cornerback, but it’s a very real liability in other situations.
If it were up to me, I’d actually keep him for special teams and dime situations. Keep him over the middle backing up the MLB. It may not be his fault that he’s a bencher forced into starting and 2nd string duties due to injuries – and we have to admit, for being 3rd or 4th on the depth chart, he’s a pretty damn good player – but at the same time, there’s no denying the completions that happen to the areas he’s responsible for.
I just wish special teams had better blocking. Could you imagine the sort of gunner he’d be if he could actually get to his guy? Problem is,he gets picked up by blockers so often that most people don’t even realize he’s a gunner.
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by E.M.H. on Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
You’re absolutely right, the guy can wrap em up and he’s great on Spec Teams. It just sucks badly seeing him in man coverage. It’s almost like he has a bullseye on his jersey. I remember a specific play in the Superbowl, I think it was a 3rd & 1, where he was just way the hell back there. C’mon Tim, we’re playing against the SAINTS! They THRIVE of the little screen plays and crap. Of course Drew Brees tosses it right at the man he’s covering and dude slides right in for a first down. I yelled at my TV like a madman…
I agree with your post until
and we have to admit, for being 3rd or 4th on the depth chart, he’s a pretty damn good player
Can someone, anyone, name one thing Tim Jennings has done on the field that made you go, ‘Oh, THATS why he earns a pay check’ (not on special teams). The dude flat out sucks. I don’t care if someone is a great tackler if he gives up 80%+ catch rate.
I hate to mention his name twice in one thread because I can’t stand him, but – Deion Sanders couldn’t tackle worth a damn, didn’t like physical contact, and is considered one of the best CBs of all time. I don’t want my CBs to be fine tacklers (unless they are, say, Marlin Jackson, who is asked to play inside on passing downs). I want my CBs to prevent first downs through the air.
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Well..
There was that pick of Nate Jennings back in October, as well as a pick on Denver back in December. And then his breakup of a Flacco pass to Mason in the regular season Baltimore game; even Kuharsky noted that one.
Look, if you want my overall opinion on Jennings, go look for my posts on Phil B’s Indystar game blogs. I dubbed him Tim “Is-This-Enough-Cushion” Jennings a couple of years back and have been bitching up a storm about him ever since. He’s not starter material. But like I said, as a nickle or dime back, and as a 3rd or 4th stringer, he’s pretty durn good. Name some other team’s CB who’s 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and compare. I think Jennings comes out ahead. And I’m serious about the tackling because it warrants mention: I’ve even seen Bethea arm tackle before and fail to bring down a guy. But I simply can’t remember Jennings failing to bring down his man. Sure, it’s gotta have happened at some point, but for the life of me, I can’t remember any blown tackles by him, even when he’s solo on his man.
It’s all about proper perspective.
Just keep in mind the context I’m intending: I’m comparing Jennings to other 3rd and 4th stringers, not starters. It’s not like I’m claiming he’s Pro Bowl material or anything. And yes, on top of that, I made that point about first downs for a reason: His tackling may be good, but dammit, making one after the opposition moves the chains really doesn’t help much. Now, I’m glad he’s there to prevent a longer gain or a TD, but at the same time, I wish he’d tackle for losses more. I don’t understand why he’s got 3-Missisippi’s worth of space on the receiver all the time. No, the argument that Indy plays zone isn’t sufficient; Jackson, Hayden, Powers, and Lacey don’t see to give anywhere near that much spacing. If only he’d be able to close in on the receivers faster and keep them from converting, he’s be fabulous. But he doesn’t, and I’m keeping all this in mind when I write my opinion of him.
Pointing out the benefits of his play is not a bad thing. I’m fully aware of his shortcomings, but my only point is that he’s not only not a total loss, if fate would stop pushing him into situations where he can’t play to his strengths, if fate and luck would keep Indy’s corners healthy for a change, I don’t think anyone would be complaing about Jennings so much. Problem is, he’s too often forced to be a cover corner when he’s better suited to be a deep prevent man. And that’s just the situation he’s in.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
He was 3rd string in the super bowl.
Because of the Colts system, where they move their best CB inside to the slot in nickel/dime situations, leaving Tim Jennings one on one vs whomever the opposing team decides to line up vs him, he is a liability if he’s allowed on the field. Jason David had interceptions before. Tim Jennings is the worst CB in NFL history. He does not deserve to be on an NFL roster. Even the ’he’s good at special teams’ thing doesn’t hold up, imo, since our special steams is still bad. He’s the Gilbert Gardner of CBs, imo.
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sorry i wrote this
when i first got out of bed.
My point is, I’m not sure Tim Jennings is human.
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Human? :)
No, no… this man is not human. I secretly suspect that a ridge from the Appalachians had sex with the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, and that was the love child.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Heh
He’s the Gilbert Gardner of CBs, imo.
Oh, I wouldn’t go that far. Not anywhere hear. Remember, the knock on Gardner was that he couldn’t tackle a pillow even if a safety had arm wrapped it first.
But “worst CB in NFL history”? Now you’re just playin’ with me. 
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
trying to get
FO to tell me if there is a metric that proves that Tim Jennings is the worst CB in NFL history or not human, no reply yet. Im holding out hope.
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Syllogistic analysis built upon dichotomic statement:
SpazMo said:
… worst CB in NFL history or not human.
The opposite of being “the worst CB in NFL history” is being human? Hey! That gives me hope! You see, I am indeed human (at least last time I checked… I seem to meet the most relevant criteria…), so that means I cannot be “the worst CB in NFL history”. Therefore, the fact that I can be better than the worst means that I can play in the NFL!!!
What’s the league minimum again? I think I need to go sign somewhere so I can collect my paycheck!
(I’m playin’. I’m joking. Don’t take me too seriously there, I’m just trying to have fun. 
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Yes, Tim Jennings is great.
Does anyone of a youtube clip of the 3rd quarter of the Super Bowl? They didn’t complete every pass in that corner against Tim Jennings because Kelvin Hayden is the second coming of Deion Sanders.
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I think BBS is still a little "starstruck" from meeting him in Miami.
Seriously, that interview transcript he posted was weak. But I guess I would’ve just been like “Why do you suck so fucking bad?” so I guess we’re not all cut out to be bloggers and journalists.
Perrish Cox or Javier Arenas
Maybe it means that these two will be the target of the Colts in the draft for a possible 2nd round pick? I think Cox will be there simply due to him not having stellar stats being on a shifty Oklahoma State defense for his entire career.
by Sanders_fan89 on Feb 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm hoping the Colts look at kicker in the draft
Vinatieri’s long range was already a bit shaky before the injury. But at age 38 after that injury, I am very concerned. Of course, the Vinny humpers will say “BUT HE’S CLUTCHY” “Clutchy” means nothing if your leg is too aged.
Even if he comes back at full form and is at above average levels, he’s still not getting any younger. With most positions already in good shape, this is the type of year that kicker being drafted in the later rounds is even more appealing.
Insert Clever Statement Here
Tim Jennings is going to get cut
And then open up a furniture store. Softest cushions in the country.
Seriously, he is bad. He sucks. He has done nothing to warrant a spot in the NFL, UFL, CFL, NAFL, USFL, LFL, or AFL. His cushion is ridiculous. I’d rather have him get burned deep a couple of times like Jacob Lacey and get some huge picks or break up huge passes than what he does (let’s the offense methodically drive down the field). Tracy Porter played it dangerously and didn’t give any cushion on Reggie Wayne. That’s why the Saints won. Jennings is weak.
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here's what i cant stand about you, Colts Homer
You never share an opinion. You constantly straddle the fence. Have some balls and tell us how you really feel.
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by SpazMo on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
lol rec'd
In my life, there’s a 50% split on my opinion of me. Some people find it obnoxious and other people find it hilarious. Screw the 50% that don’t like it.
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RECD!! No way, I’ll do it Saints fan style…..
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BOOM RECD!
if you did it Saints style
you would have said “f*cker” – please be careful with your language
/CSC’d
How can you not love a team that does this?
lol you're right...
Hell, “SaintSational Dave” probably would’ve deleted “f*cker”! I suppose I should’ve just put f****** so as not to offend the Creole folk :)
Lol
Furniture store – now THAT was pretty damn funny.
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by peytonsthebest on Feb 22, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would love if we cut him, just for the statement of cutting
But we would have to re-sign him first before we could cut him – since he’s FA and all.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Feb 23, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
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