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Darren Sproles to become a free agent; Colts should make moves to sign him

I've been fighting a very nasty cold the last three days. This is why I didn't write anything yesterday. At first I thought it was the flu, but it ended up being a pretty bad head cold (sore throat, sinus headaches, chills, etc.). I'm back at about 75% now, able to sit in a chair and write (somewhat) coherently.

The big headline news while I was out of action was that the Chargers and the Eagles are letting LaDainian Tomlinson (Bolts From The Blue article here) and Brian Westbrook (Bleeding Green Nation article here) walk into free agency, respectively. These moves are not unexpected, but they signal the end of eras for the two successful franchises. I personally value Westbrook over Tomlinson because A) He doesn't whine and cry when things don't go his way, and B) He shows up in the playoffs.

However, the bigger news out of San Diego is the one getting the fewest headlines: The Chargers are letting Darren Sproles walk as well.

Think about this for a moment: At one point, the 2007 Chargers had LaDainian Tomlinson, Darren Sproles, and Michael Turner all on their roster. In 2010, all three will likely be playing for other teams. After 2007, the Chargers opted to keep Tomlinson over Turner. Turner went to the Falcons and has scored 27 TDs in two season with them with a yards-per-carry average of about 4.7. Compare that to Tomlinson, who has scored 23 TDs and averaged about 3.6 a carry.

With Turner in Atlanta and Tomlinson cut, this seemed to suggest that Sproles would get a higher profile in the Chargers offense. Turns out such logic is not how the Chargers will operate:

Darren Sproles could well follow LaDainian Tomlinson out the door and will at least be given the chance to do so.

The Chargers remain interested in signing their kick returner and backup running back to a long-term deal, but they won't be retaining his services on a one-year basis as they did in 2009.

As the franchise player last year, Sproles made slightly more than $6.6 million last season. Because he would be entitled to a 10 percent increase in 2010, that means the Chargers will have to pay him almost $7.3 million for one year if they give him a tender as a restricted free agent.

Not gonna happen.

The Chargers and Sproles' agent will talk at the combine, for sure, and that is where a long-term contract will likely first be broached in earnest. But the Chargers will not offer a tender, and that means Sproles will be a free agent.

At this time, I will simply state the obvious to Bill Polian: SIGN THIS GUY!

Seriously, I have a very hard time not seeing Darren Sproles light up the NFL in an offense that features Peyton Manning. We all pretty much agree that Sproles is not an every down back. He is a complementary back who can make big plays when he gets into space.

Trust me. Colts fans have the playoff scars to prove it.

However, as a kick and punt returner, he is one of the most dangerous weapons in football. Used as a third down back, or a third WR, and he is deadly. If the issue is too much money wrapped up in running backs, I would have no problem seeing Joseph Addai cut in favor of making room for Sproles. I love Addai and think the world of him as a Colts back, but Donald Brown should (in theory) take over the main running back duties for this team at some point. A backfield of Brown, Sproles, and Mike Hart is an upgrade over last year's backfield, especially when you consider the ramifications on special teams. 

Now, because of the current (lack of) collecting bargaining agreement, there are limitations on how the "Final Eight" NFL teams that qualified for the 2009 season playoffs can sign free agents. There is an excellent write-up on this and many other new factoids over at Battle Red Blog. Regardless of these rules, Polian should push hard to sign Sproles. He would add a tremendous weapon to an already tremendous football team.

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I would love to see Sproles

But I don’t see cutting Addai as the way to clear a space for him. Addai was literally the only thing making the backfield work last year. Can we really take it on faith the Brown will learn how to pick up the blitz?

by slash196 on Feb 24, 2010 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Agree here...

that is pretty drastic BBS!!!

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by TRDean on Feb 24, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

agree

Who’s going to actually block well on play actions? Addai is far and away the best at that and considering how much we rely on that…

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by psvirsky on Feb 24, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

No way

Yes, we can take faith in brown in picking up the blitz, for a rookie he did a wonderful job last season, and picked up the blitz plenty of times. Brown even picked up the blitz in preseason when Manning audibled out of a run play, that’s when I knew Brown was going to be special over time.

Sproles would be a great KR for us, but I think were set at RB.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

No way I would cut Addai!

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Addai.

I would much sooner cut Brown. He is a dynamic runner yet Addai is very important in blitz pick up as well as being a VERY good receiver for Peyton out of the backfield. Plus he is much better around the goal-line than Brown was.

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by P0RKINS2 on Feb 24, 2010 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cut Brown?

He was our 1st round draft pick last year! Why don’t we just cut our own heads off while we’re at it, because apparently we won’t be using them in the future.

by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 24, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Job Of the Colts Speical Teams

The Number One Job of the Colts Punt and Kick Return Team is This:—-Secure the Ball for the Offense. Do not get a penalty, do not fumble, do not lose yards by not fair catching in certain situations, do not get cute. Cut ,Trade or Deal Addai no way——Keep What you Have— it Works—-If anything Cut Rushing— if you can get Sproles for Nothing - If he averages 10 extra yards per catch and 1or 2 touchdowns is that worth 7.3 million with the Offense we have——NOPE-Also Teams would Start Kicking away from him-Put Hart Back there give him some Bonus for doing more —He would like because he on field -I love to See Exciting Football like anyone Else—-But winning Football is the most exciting——

by Mr. Johnson on Feb 24, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Yes, Sproles is a good returner, but I think there is consensus that Polian is actively looking for a returner in the draft (or at least that he should be). That young player (or FA) is going to be cheaper than Sproles. Even cutting Joe ($2.2M in ‘10) won’t clear enough cash to cover the $4-5M Sproles is probably going to want.

Slash196 raises a valid point: Brown is still a work in progress on blitz pickup. Addai, on the other hand, is a sure thing.

Last, Joe had a good year and great playoffs. Let’s not throw him under the bus. Sproles would not be a great fit, and certainly not as good as Addai.

Hope you’re better BBS.

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by Coltsfan58 on Feb 24, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Sproles isn’t the best blocker and Brown is still learning about it. I would love to see Darren in a Colts uniform, but I just don’t see it happening.

by Sanders_fan89 on Feb 24, 2010 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There will be no cap this year.

There would be no point in cutting Addai unless it comes down to the Colts needing the roster spot or Irsay wanting to save a little money. I foresee neither one of these happening.

by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 25, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to see people defending Addai in the comments

Most people are so quick to dismiss how important Joseph is in the Colts’ offensive scheme.

Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.

by DontHateAddai on Feb 24, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

You mean the same OL that gives Manning the fewest sacks year after year?

OL isn’t the promblem. Colts run the ball enough, Colts run the ball when they choose too.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

While I don't agree are O line isn't decent

it’s not helpful in the run game. That line is built on pass protection and they do that job very well but they need to improve in run blocking.

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by NYKings on Feb 24, 2010 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, that's what I meant.

Yes, our O-line is phenomenal when you think about how many sacks Peyton takes – just not a whole lot going in the run blocking area…

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by etid5353 on Feb 24, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Goes back to what I was saying

Jets game, we ran the ball well, because we chose to, because the Jets were blitzing.

In the SB, we ran the ball well, because we chose to.

Colts went 14-0 running the ball 80 yards a game, went to the SB running the ball a little better. Run game is the least of our promblems, we need a KR and more depth at Safety and CB.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

But when the Colts

were on 3rd and 2 before the halftime of the Super Bowl, they couldn’t gain the 2 yards. Polian basically blamed the O-line (and Baskett) on the loss, so the Colts are getting an O-lineman in the first few rounds of the draft.

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by KMR24 on Feb 24, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It was actually 3rd and 1.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We could run

Because the Saints run D is terrible and because both teams neglected our run game and focused on defending the pass.

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But we couldn't run when we had to in that game.

That makes me sad.

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by NYKings on Feb 24, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh we could've, and were supposed to...

I think Tom Moore calls a shitload of run plays but Peyton always audibles out of them. They’ve both admitted that happens pretty frequently. On the plays where we actually ran, we ran very well imo.

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by etid5353 on Feb 24, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd and short inside their 15

NO we didn’t run when we had to, plain and simple. It’s not a knock on the running game, it was just a bad situation to be in and in my opinion a bad play call.

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by NYKings on Feb 25, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you get from them not allowing sacks to them being good run blockers?

One does not automatically lead to the other.

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason Manning takes so few sacks is Manning. Our O-line is terrible.

by jaredtaskin1 on Feb 24, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So True

Manning takes so few sacks b/c he usually knows who he is throwing to based on his pre-snap read. He also has an extremely quick release and is WAY more mobile than people give him credit for. (Slides well, almost always steps in the pocket to avoid the outside rush, can roll out and still be effective) Plus he thinks so fast that even if the defense fools him, he knows where his checkdowns or other underneath routes are. Most of the sacks he takes are either coverage sacks or else b/c the defender got such a great jump off the ball that there’s no way for him to get the pass off.

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by P0RKINS2 on Feb 24, 2010 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What the heck? Those are different skills.

You can’t compare them. Yes, I agree that the line did a good job at keeping Manning from being sacked, but part of that was 1. Good blitz pickups by the backfield players, 2. Quick, accurate passes, and 3. Manning being able to step up and avoid rushers. I don’t want to take anything away from the line’s pass protection abilities, but the point is that they did well because of several elements helping them.

But, getting back to my point: Pass protecting is a totally different way of blocking than run blocking is. First of all, positioning is key; you’re defending a space, not moving an opponent backwards, so you have to have the lateral agility as well as the ability to ride a blocker down when he is the one with the head full of steam coming at you with a couple of yards worth of momentum built up. Run blocking, in contrast, is much less about lateral movement and much more about being able to move the defender back or shove him aside. The run blocking linesman needs to be aggresive and linear, not predictive and lateral. He’s got to be able to initiate contact and do so in a way that works to his advantage, and he’s got to be able to do this while attemptiing to move forward (even on a sweep or strech, the guard or tackle had better be moving his man downfield instead of towards the sideline; downfield opens holes, whereas towards the sideline may seal them if it’s the direction the ball carrier is heading).

Of course, the best linesmen can do both. And for a while there, Indy’s line had the ability to do both. But the problem is, the run blocking skill openly atrophied somehow. And oddly enough, that downhill slide started around the time 1. Diem needed surgery, 2. Jake Scott was not resigned, 3. Pollack, Justice, and Richards came in, and 4. Ugoh decided to stop being the answer at left tackle.

Anyway, my point here is that it is not a contradiction to praise the line’s pass blocking while at the same time fiercely critique their failures in run blocking. They’re different skills, and Indianapolis has an unquestionable deficiency in the run blocking area. Backs getting tackled in the backfield is not the fault of the back, it’s the fault of the line. And holes not opening on stretch plays when the Indianapolis line is supposed to be the fast, athletic unit in the NFL is simply unacceptible. So yes: If Indy had a better run-blocking line, Addai’s and Browns numbers would be better.

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by E.M.H. on Feb 24, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

rec'd

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way,

it’s Richard, not Richards. One of my pet peeves.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

After his performance

in November, I have much love and respect for Addai. Dude was killing it from November to the Super Bowl. Give him and Brown and o-line, and people will stop questioning Addai.

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by KMR24 on Feb 24, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This is silly.

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi

by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

He would be lost behind our poor run blocking line. Not to mention that Addai does so much more than that.

Now if it was MJD, I would consider it. Just consider. I love Joe.

Why the long face, Ryan Miller?

by diagenesis on Feb 24, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Love Sproles but..

we already have 3 solid running backs. Plus Hart is going to be better than Sproles in time.

by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 24, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

+ 31.9999999999999

/I can’t bring myself to put #32 for Hart

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by KMR24 on Feb 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Got a solution for ya, girl

Cut Rushing…
Give Hart #20 (his Michigan number)
Sign Edge just before the 2011 Super Bowl
Give Edge #32
Win
Celebrate
Retire #32 into the Ring of Honor

simple :)

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by teej813 on Feb 24, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

-20+20+32-32

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by teej813 on Feb 24, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that idea a lot.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Um... No!

Addai works with what he’s got and is great at blitz pick up.

Plus I don’t want to see that little neanderthal in a Colts uniform.

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by NYKings on Feb 24, 2010 9:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i like addai to still be a colts one because he was the only thing working in the SB and two because he is a blocker with passions so yeah i dont mind giving addai another few years

besides no one remembers this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS-90×1op4s you silly kids blockings for addai ONLY

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by 805 on Feb 24, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

I just puked in my mouth!

Suggesting Addai go in favor of a MIDGET?? Seriously??!?!!1

BigBlueShoe, I can no longer take you seriously.

by etid5353 on Feb 24, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

in fairness

he’d probably be signed for a significantly lower average than that. The Chargers are refusing to pay a KR 7.3mil for 1 year.

by shake n bake on Feb 24, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

We shouldn’t dump Joe. His blocking ability is great with play action. If we could get Sproles at a decent price. I have no problem dumping Simpson and Hart. I know Hart is loved on this site but I’d take proven talent anyday.

by cwill111 on Feb 24, 2010 10:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Simpson does need to go, along with Vintarie and Jennings.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

BBS, Sproles is pretty good

but I don’t see the Colts cutting Joe for him. Addai always brings it in the playoffs and dude was lighting the Saints’ run D in the Super Bowl. Plus, you can’t forget about how great Joe’s Blitz pickups are. Addai is Peyton’s security blanket; you can’t take that away from the franchise player and expect Brown (who needs Addai’s mentoring on Blitzes) or Sporles to do what he does. Just give him and Brown an o-line the Colts run game would be deadly.

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by KMR24 on Feb 24, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

why?

It’s a passing league now. Colts run the ball enough to keep a team honest, they reached the SB with 80 yards rushing a game and great defense, that’s what the NFL is all about now.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember 3rd and short

in the Super Bowl?

 Yes, this is a passing league, but the Colts use the run to set up play-action and by doing that the Colts’ playbook is wide open. The Colts offense is at it best when it’s rushing the ball consistently because it confuses the hell out of defenses. Polian is definitely not trying to turn the Colts’ O into the Jets, Ravens, or Phins, but averaging over 100 rushing yards a game will make the offense a little more balance and not rely on Peyton’s arm all the time.

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by KMR24 on Feb 24, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This
but the Colts use the run to set up play-action and by doing that the Colts’ playbook is wide open

thank you.

by 18forPrez on Feb 24, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And Addai is one of if not the best RB in pass protection and pass catching

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

For Indianapolis's current roster, yes, I agree

Oveer time, I don’t – Edge was better at both – but on the current team, you’re right. Addai is the best out of all the backs.

Now, how does he compare with the rest of the NFL running backs at blitz pickup? Honestly, I don’t know. If anyone does, i wouldn’t mind seeing a comparison.

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by E.M.H. on Feb 24, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Moronic

To think that Sproles is a better running back than Addai is moronic. Dropping Addai in favor of Sproles would be a HUGE drop off in almost every facet of the game – running the ball, converting 3rd downs, pass protecting. BBS proves he’s barely a knowledgeable fan by spouting this crap. Good thing it’s “Trust in Polian” and not “Trust in BBS.”

by MileHighHoosier on Feb 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

A little insulting there bud!

Bob Sanders is starting to make me rethink my SBNation ID!

by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Another thing wrt the return game

I still believe that even Simpson can make great kick returns if the blocking allowed him to do so. Blocking seems to have been our issue on returns and in the running game in general all year long. Adding another RB, albeit a dynamic one, probably doesn’t net us much gain.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

great vision

A KR needs great vision down the field, Simpson just doesn’t have that, he will run right into a mob of defenders time after time.

by gteare28 on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I agree with you, and stopped short of saying that he has great vision

but I still believe he would do better with better blocking

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas seems to be a guy with good vision

so, why not take him in the draft (say, 2nd round) and avoid adding another RB?

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by BlueMark1821 on Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't add another RB

I still believe blocking is our issue

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 24, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And I don’t think Polian or Irsay would hire trash talkers to our team. Sproles might be a good RB, but our roster is too injury prone to afford him

Of course we might have a healthy Bob Sanders for an entire season... when we play Madden

by trOOly on Feb 24, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Arenas has better vision than Devin Hester

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by Colts Homer on Feb 24, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

lulz

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by J of the F on Feb 24, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

He’s said it before.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

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by Cassieper on Mar 1, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok...I love Addai

I am approaching this from an objective point of view.

Is this not Addai’s last year on his rookie contract? What if Polian signed Sproles, used this year to get Brown ready for the #1 role and let Addai walk next year?

I am not saying I like it or that it is a good idea. But I would not be surprised to see it (except for the fact that Polian does not seem to sign any FA).

Can you imagine Addai, Brown, and Sproles in the backfield this year (with the possiblity of a actual LT).

I don’t see it happening, because of the salary Sproles is going to want and the FA restrictions.

Bob Sanders is starting to make me rethink my SBNation ID!

by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Feb 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I say sign that fast little bastahd.

If someone has to go, perhaps Simpson? Or Rushing?

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by peytonsthebest on Feb 24, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps both...

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by BlueMark1821 on Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't sign him unless you lose somebody.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Different Alternative to Sproles

Just draft Dexter McCluster. Guy is an exact replica of him and will make a great impact on special teams and third downs as a back. Just makes more sense than breaking the bank on Sproles.

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by bleedinblueandgold on Feb 24, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting

Dexter was on fire for many games. He runs like a man on fire. He was held in check v. Alabama though. Perhaps that’s also a reason to consider Arenas, McClain or other UofA defense players a little more.

by 18forPrez on Feb 24, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"Regardless of these rules, Polian should push hard to sign Sproles"

Right…

Don’t we only have 2 UFAs? Gary Brackett and Matt Stover?

So for us to get Sproles we have to lose Brackett to another team that will pay him at least as much as Sproles want? I’m not even going to ponder that Matt Stover will get paid enough to cover this.

So really your proposal is to cut Addai let Brackett walk in Free Agency and hope that he gets signed by another team for enough money to pick up Sproles.

Yeah that sounds like a good plan.

You are clearly on cough syrup.

by kasey_junk on Feb 24, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

ok, now i'm a little confused

First, I’ve seen reference that Antonio Johnson is also a UFA.

Second, what I’m not able to figure out is if Sproles who is a RFA right now, does not get a tender from his current team, does that mean he becomes an UFA for the purposes of the new rules?

It is possible that he does not count as an UFA for the purposes of the new “top 8” rules (cut players don’t for instance), in which case it would not be insane to try and get him. If on the other hand he does become a UFA then it would be virtually impossible for the Colts to get him even if they wanted to.

Though I still think it is insane to drop Addai to do it.

by kasey_junk on Feb 24, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Mookie is RFA

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 24, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exclusive-Rights FA to be exact. There’s a big difference between ERFA and a RFA.

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by KingRichard on Feb 24, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

ERFA = Will be back for minimum pay

Pretty much.

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by Colts Homer on Feb 24, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He's had 3 accrued seasons

i.e. not ERFA, but RFA.

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 25, 2010 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

yep, I had it wrong earlier

Muir got an accrued season for his rookie year with the Packers. That puts him at 3.

by shake n bake on Feb 25, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Your head cold has made you crazy.

The little 5’6" Darren isn’t a great player. It was wierd to read you talk about him like that. He may be decent, but not great. His 3.7 YPC this year was a drop off from his previous few years and his longest run was only 21 yards. He did pretty good receiving but not enough to make a huge impact. Addai was a more consistant and better rusher, better in receiving, and can block. Don’t forget that our line isn’t great at run blocking. If Polian wanted a return guy that bad he would have gone after Cribbs before the trade deadline (he would also be much cheaper than Darren, who will now be just a decent backup for the rest of his career). I would think Bill will find someone in the draft. We’ll see.

Horrible idea dude. Get well soon and then tell us your head cold kept you from thinking straight.

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by Firebird on Feb 24, 2010 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

Donald Brown? A better back than Addai?

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by J of the F on Feb 24, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa

I think you might be alone on this, BBS.

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At least close to alone.

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by Cassieper on Feb 26, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is our new kick returner

[url]http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33874&draftyear=2009&genpos=rb[/url]

Devin Moore of Wyoming, RB was touted along with Marcus Thigpen of Indiana, RB as two very good returner prospects in the NFL draft last year.

We just signed Devin Moore of Wyoming to a future contract. Could it be that this was the specialist they were looking for? I do not see him used an RB by any means in our system.

He is an Indianapolis native too, here read this:

[url]http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/wyomings-moore/[/url]

by chad72 on Feb 24, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

It makes sense

Think about it, we do not put our primary WRs or primary RBs in the return game.

I can see us signing Devin Moore primarily for doing returns. I think either Chad Simpson or Mike Hart is cut next year since we won’t keep 5 RBs on the roster. Mike Hart may still be PS eligible, I think. The Devin Moore signing is in this article:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100129/SPORTS03/1290339/1100

Signing Mitch King, Devin Moore, Derek Cadogan, and that CFL guy John Chick almost leads me to believe that these signings could replace future later round picks that we may be willing to move up in this draft. If someone that is a good OL falls to No.25 or No.26, based on the trade value chart, we can give our 1st & 3rd for the No.25 or No.26 pick.

by chad72 on Feb 24, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thigpen

is very solid….I would be pleased if they draft him.

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by AceOfSpades on Feb 25, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Even though I disagree with BBS rather strongly, I *do* see where he's coming from.

I think the idea of getting rid of Addai is way to extreme a scenario, but BBS is not wrong when he identifies the fact that Indy simply needs a better kick and punt returner. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I actually I love Simpson… as a running back. As a kick returner, he’s actually a liability. If you think about it, it’s actually surprising that Indy went to the Super Bowl with that sort of return game (as an aside, it shows you just how incredible Manning is).

Indy very badly needs a decent special teams returner. As another aside: I think this is an area where Polian is actually weaker at selecting than the offensive line; Charlie Johnson is at least servicible, nobody saw Ugoh falling off until Indy’s coaches tried to motivate him, and Pollack was rated well by damn near every predraft board I saw, so Polian wasn’t alone in that misfire. But name a guy either drafted or signed as an FA who’s got legit return ability.

Indy also needs good blocking on special teams, so a returner by itself won’t be a magical fix. But again, the decisions Simpson made on returns are questionable at best, and settling for starting Indy below the 20 is simply unacceptible. Getting a player who could be a legitimate threat even with weak blocking would be a terrific start to fixing special teams. I do not agree that Addai would be an acceptible price for an upgrade there, but I do see where the notion of Sproles handling return duties would be beneficial to Indy.

Of course, as others have pointed out, this will be an impossible signing without losing a free agent, and I don’t think Brackett or Bethea is a good price to pay either. So this is indeed nothing more than daydreaming. But still… if the return game on both kicks and punts could simply net just a few more yards – 5, maybe – then imagine what that does to Indianapolis’s scoring ability. This is already a team where a former multiple Super Bowl winner (the Patriots) didn’t want to risk giving Manning the ball by punting from the 28 and concievably sending him back to the opposite 30 with just 2+ minutes left. Any other QB, that’s a no brainer; against Manning, it’s a high-probability-of-failure risk. Imagine a return game that would actually give the offense good field position. Even when they’d misfire, they could stick the opponents deep with McAfee’s leg. An improvement in the return game with nothing else changing would make a real difference, I believe.

But anyway… yeah, this is all just fantasy. If Indy ends up somehow getting Sproles, my first reaction will be “What went wrong?”, because it means that the Colts lost someone else. And I don’t think I want that to happen. If it were possible to pick up Sproles with no other losses, then I’d think it’d be a good idea. But outside that scenario, forget it.

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by E.M.H. on Feb 24, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Bethea is not in the discussion for the new top 8 rules

The restrictions are in place only for UFAs. Bethea is a RFA, so him being signed by another team has no bearing on what UFAs we can go after (from my reading).

The only way we can sign UFAs is if Brackett, Mookie, or Stover go to another team, and then only for the same contract that they get.

Essentially, there is virtually no chance the Colts are going to be in the market for big name UFAs this year (as if they ever are).

by kasey_junk on Feb 24, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, whoops. DIdn't think to confirm that

Thanks for pointing that out. I only new that Bethea was another Colt that was looking to get signed. I didn’t look to see whether he was restricted or unrestricted.

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by E.M.H. on Feb 24, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to cut Addai

Just cut Simpson and Rushing and sign Sproles (somehow) to do kick returning and random offensive plays.

Money isn’t as big a deal with no salary cap.

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by AceOfSpades on Feb 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Not as simple

In an uncapped year, since we made it to the divisional round, unless we lose an unrestricted free agent like Gary Brackett or Matt Stover, we cannot sign another unrestricted free agent. A trade is out of the realm with Sproles not being an RFA, he is an unrestricted free agent.

I have heard enough people suggest that maybe Belichick tanked the wild card game at home knowing that not making the divisional round game would give them more options for signing unrestricted free agents than teams making it :-). Oh well, so much for conspiracy theorists.

by chad72 on Feb 24, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Money is still a big deal...

1. If the NFL goes back to a salary cap, you don’t want to have a contract that will cause you cap trouble later (the steelers are saying they are going to keep working as if there was a cap for this reason)
2. There is no garauntee about how the owners are going to get money from the NFL. Because Irsay needs to actually make money from the Colts (unlike Dan Snyder for instance) he has to way the risk of a big contract against the possibility that he is going to get shafted by the big market owners when it comes to revenue sharing.

That is not to mention the free agency restrictions…

by kasey_junk on Feb 24, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

LOLWHAT

Addai > Sproles

by BlueKrew on Feb 24, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

LOLWHAT

Addai > Sproles

by BlueKrew on Feb 24, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Addai is the best pass blocking RB in the league

Cutting him for a kick returner would be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

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by Colts Homer on Feb 24, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

If he comes to Indy,

I would right whoever made that decision a thank you note! LOL

So what if Peyton didnt shake Brees' hand after the super bowl. Its better than what I would have done, which is steal the Lombardi trophy and run out of the stadium screaming "The Saints Bribed The Refs!!! Dirty Cheaters!!!"

by manning18clark44 on Feb 24, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Write*****

and why?

Why do people want Sproles? We don’t, yes I said DON’T, need help in the run game. I’m confident in Brown, Hart, and Addai and to get Sproles I don’t want to part with any of them.

The next thing he brings to a team is his kick returning skills. Yes, the Colts suck right now in the return game but is Sproles going to be worth it? The answer is no because you don’t want to pay an insane amount of money for a guy that may touch the ball 5 or 6 times in the return game.

So that leaves us with signing him just to make a move and that’s not what this team is about. It literally makes NO SENSE to even TRY to sign Darren Sproles – end of story.

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by NYKings on Feb 24, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's funny

Because a long, long time ago BBS hated how Hester was asking to receive a large contract from the Bears for the same reason…

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by Colts Homer on Feb 24, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutting Addai would be stupidest move of Polian's career

So we cut Addai, who may have had the best year of any running back last year in the category of stuff you don’t see on paper. Our run game sucked, mainly due to our atrocious run blocking. Brown, although showed brilliant flashes of potential, was slightly injury prone and made hardly an impact. Addai, on the other hand somehow had an incredible final 3/4 of the season while maybe seeing 1 hole open up for him per game. He started averaging 4 ypc against great Ds while having no holes to run through. He also did something we are not used to seeing from him, which is stop the twinkle toes running style of the ‘08 season, and running hard down the field, and taking two, three guys out in the redzone to score TDs VERY few other NFL RBs would have made. Oh, and let’s not forget he is still a dynamic receiving threat and a very good blocker.

Yet you suggest management says, “Listen, Joe, although we appreciate the unbelievable effort and heart you showed last season while being the one bright spot in an otherwise abominable run game, it’s just not working out. I know we haven’t made it ideal for you, seeing as we have had no success in improving the run blocking for two straight seasons and how instead of drafting/signing better o-linemen, we decided it was probably more your fault and it was better to draft a dynamic young RB to take your spot, er, i mean push you to your true potential. We appreciate you acting with class and not complain, and even help mentor the guy we’re replacing you with, er, DANG!, I mean partnering you with. Even though he did not show he was close to ready to be a feature back yet this past season, we are going to take a shot in the dark and give him the keys to the run game, and sign Darren Sproles, who is going to be our return specialist and get 8 carries a game for a lot of money. We could draft someone to return kicks for much cheaper, but…no. So we’re releasing you. We would trade you to a team for an established playmaker or a high first round pick, but why risk the guy end up being a bust? So……bye. You know you’re way out right?”

And despite my heavy sarcasm, I am a big DB supporter and think he will be a playmaker next year, and Addai will once again be great, this time with a hopefully improved line to block for them. Sproles is a return man and younger, smaller, quicker version of Kevin Faulk. If we sign him as a free agent, great, I think a dynamic return man is a big time gamechanging position, and it would only give Peyton and the O a shorter distance to travel. Cutting your primary back who gave his heart and soul to the team despite what he had to deal with (didn’t even mention fan criticism), and was so key to us winning many games (Houston, for instance), is not only an incredibly ignorant decision, but a spit in the face do a player who only helped us win. And you thought NE trading Seymour (who was 29) for a top ten pick in ‘11, but it’s okay to let one of your best players, who is 26 and is a great player still getting better?

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by npb1985 on Feb 24, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Sproles is good enough to rate 5th in our RB depth.

Honestly, I really probably would start any of our four guys over him.

Donald Brown is not ready to be a 50/50 back, let alone a 60/40 or whatever ratio of snaps this team expects a first-team back to take. He’ll be just fine in time, but Addai does too much for this team to think he can be replaced when not all of Brown’s skill set is yet up to snuff.

As far as drafting returners is concerned, I think there are going to be a lot of teams kicking themselves for not taking Golden Tate. I live in South Bend, I’ve seen him plenty, my friend is dating his mom. This kid is the second coming of Steve Smith. A couple months back, Polian snuck up to ND for a game, and watched the entire game from the press box. That makes me hope that we’re going to pick up Tate. We’ve got a stacked receiving corps, yes, but he’s a dynamic returner and a dynamic athlete. Trust me when I say he can do things nobody else on our roster can do, and in the two or three years he’s ready to be a featured WR, that’ll give us a little breathing room when other guys’ contracts are expiring.

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by linkish on Feb 24, 2010 9:10 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

That was not well thought out. Donald Brown’s skillset is not mature enough to replace Addai as of right now and Mike Hart does not have the speed though he is a bit elusive to be on the same level as Addai. Addai is the only RB in Indianapolis Colts history to be part of both our SB runs and there is a reason for it, he is good in all 3 phases – running, blocking, and catching. Donald Brown has the running and catching down for the most part but still has to get consistent with the blocking, his injury did set back his progress and made us think twice whether we should have drafted Beanie Wells. Donald Brown needs to hit the weight room to add more muscle, that way he can add a few more bursts through the line after contact.

I do think T.J.Rushing will be gone and Chad Simpson / Devin Moore will be fighting for the returner spots. I do like Devin Moore’s experience on this front and will hope he really pans out. Polian however has to be a tad patient and not cut Devin Moore like Courtney Roby after one fumble during a return. Heck, if we can be patient with players like Gilbert Gardner and coaches like Russ Purnell, we could have been patient with Roby too, hindsight 20/20, probably Roby was caught in a numbers game then as a WR.

by chad72 on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good

Although cutting Addai would not be the way to go… If anything cut Simpson and Rushing (Mainly Kick Returners) and add Sproles then. We’d be an even better backfield at that point with Sproles, Addai, Brown and Hart. If we’re going to do better next season on offense, then we are going to need to improve our backf ield.

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