Stampede Blue has a beer with Peter King: Part II

This is Part II of our lengthy interview with Sports Illustrated's Peter King. Part I is available here. We finished Part I with Peter discussing how he'd like it if people would, at least, try and understand how much effort and hard work he puts into his stories before they bash him.
Peter continues this thought...
Peter King: But, listen, fans are fans. They’re passionate about their team. If I lived in Indianapolis and I wrote two paragraphs on the Colts making the Super Bowl on Monday Morning Quarterback when I’m writing 7500 words, or something, I’d be pissed off too. So, I’m not unaware. It’s not unfair that that reaction was made. But, just the vitriol, and the anger, and the "I wish I could punch you in the nose." You know, those kind of things. Anyway, so…
BBS: Physical harm is not… yeah.
PK: Yeah. But again, I wouldn’t be anywhere if there were no fans. So, I mean, if there wasn’t intense interest about the game. So, I’m not, I mean, I don’t go to bed saying "Oh my God! I need to make people love me." You know. I’m not going to.
BBS: You can’t do that.
PK: I can’t! There’s a bunch of people that are going to hate me more regardless.
BBS: You’ll be more miserable.
PK: Yeah.

BBS: I want to talk to you more about Favre later, but I want to ask you this question now; you started out in newspapers, right?
PK: I worked for five years at the Cincinnati Inquirer and then I worked for four years for Newsday.
BBS: I remember seeing one of your Inside the NFL pieces on Sam Wyche and how you used to the cover [the Bengals.]
PK: Oh yeah.
BBS: Do you like doing what you are doing now? You have a ton of exposure now. You’ve got the SI article, just in the magazine. You have your online content. You’ve got the TV stuff. Just in terms of all of the work you do, do you enjoy doing all this work, or did you enjoy like it when it was a little bit simpler where you just had, you know, the beat?
PK: No. when I first got to Sports Illustrated, the first three or four years, it was like being on vacation. I write a four page column in the fall, Inside the NFL, in the fall. That’s what I do. That’s the only thing I do. And then, during the off-season, I might do a few stories, but you know you got four weeks vacation and then you got another eight weeks where you’re not asked to do anything. I said, "My god! What a job! (BBS laughs) This is unbelievable!
BBS: That’s great.
PK: But, it’s also a little bit of a phony life. You know? When si.com first came in, first it was cnnsi.com in 1997, and when that came in, I mean, that was really a little bit more up my alley because I’m not Gary Smith or Rick Riley. I can’t write like that, and I’ve never been able to do that. So, I’m more of a newspaper guy. And so, you know, I just, I think this fits me a little better. I think this world fits me a little bit better because the emphasis in Monday Morning Quarterback is on what I call "quality volume."
BBS: it almost reads like a blog.
PK: Yeah, that’s what it is.
BBS: It almost reads like a blog.
PK: Dick Ebersol calls it a blog.
BBS: Really?
PK: Yeah, he said, "I consider your column the first blog that I remember." You know, because I’ve been writing it since 1997. And he always says "Hey, I read your blog today." (BBS laughs) Which, you know, it’s about what it is really. Isn’t it? I don’t know.
BBS: Yes.
PK: Just throwing out my thoughts about things mostly.
BBS: And it’s the [gold] standard, in a lot of ways. Because so much of what… I’ve been doing this for only four years.
PK: Yeah.
At this point, a football fan walks over to us and apologizes for interrupting our talk. He smiles and asks to shake Peter’s hand. Peter smiles back and says hi, returning the handshake. The fan is from Long Island, NY and is surprised that Peter is staying in the same hotel as he is. Peter tells the fan that if he ever wants to chat football or anything, he can find him in and around the hotel. The fan, seemingly giddy, thanks Peter and apologizes to me for interrupting. It’s all good. Seeing the guys face light up when he got to shake Peter’s hand is kind of what all this football fan stuff is all about. Also, the whole thing is a bit, I don’t know, fitting. Here we are talking about fans calling Peter "gay for Favre" and other wanting to kick his ass for not writing enough about the Colts after the AFC Championship Game, and here is a fan from Long Island all happy and bubbly that he got to meet Peter King.
The fan steps away and we continue.
BBS: I’ve been doing this for four years, and what I do, I come from a family of journalists (I mention my wife, my aunt, etc.). I was never trained for this. And everything I’ve done is I’ve come into things with the point of view of a fan. Everything I’ve written has been opinion based. It has been almost nothing but throwing thoughts out onto the internet. And as I’ve done this over and over, it has been refined. And since I’ve come here [to Miami] and I’ve seen how the machine works, and I’ve seen guys like you work, it has been eye opening. Because it has been so very, very, VERY easy to read your five pages of Monday Morning Quarterback, and just bash the hell out of it. Because it’s the [fan] instinct that comes out. Because I view everything as a fan. And when you think that a team is great, infallible, and then you see criticism, or not even critics! You see the team just not get the coverage that you think that it deserves, oh my God it’s the worst thing in the world!
PK: Right. Yeah
BBS: So, I mean, I guess I’ll ask you, what do you think of all this new media? Because so much of what I talk about with people is this is the clash between the old and the new.
PK: I think the new media is, for the most part, I think it’s fantastic. Because it’s quick. It’s what my two daughters read.
BBS: They read blogs?
PK: Oh yeah!
BBS: What blogs do they read?
PK: I don’t know. It’s almost all like, I would say, entertainment related. You know what I mean?
BBS: TMZ?
PK: Yeah. They’re big on TMZ and everything like that.
BBS: They’re starting a sports section soon.
PK: Yeah, I heard about that. But anyway, they’re big on that and they feel like they… that’s basically how they get their news. My one daughter lives in Los Angeles, and she’ll read the LA Times online every day. And, she’s into it. And she even reads the news, but it’s totally foreign to them to read a newspaper. Now I have to have the New York Times in my hand every day.
BBS: You can’t read it online?
PK: I do sometimes when I’m on the road. I will read it online a lot of times, especially if the only thing I can get is a very early national edition. Anyway, I’ll read it online a lot but I gotta see that. I much prefer to touch it every day. But see, I understand that the world is changing. There’s a reason why I try aggressively to do Twitter. There’s a reason why I understand why Monday Morning Quarterback is sort of my meal ticket to the future. And that other things, every day this week I did a podcast for si.com. I mean because, people don’t want to wait. They really don’t want to wait. Now, my columns are, I think, still well read but I think that in the magazine, when I do something in Scorecard, this week’s Scorecard is "Does Kurt Warner belong in the Hall of Fame? And, you know, those are good things. But, my feeling is we have to embrace the new media or its going to run us over. And I’m 52 years old, and I’ll be a dinosaur soon enough. But I want to fight that period as long as I can. And I want to try as best I can to know how people get their information, how they work, and what I should be doing. So, the only thing I don’t like about it is when it’s intensely personal. But I understand that people are gonna have strong feelings. It doesn’t really whack me out too much.
BBS: What advice can you give bloggers like me in regards to covering sports and writing?
PK: For you, it’s gotta be really hard because, I guess, you can’t talk to the players.
BBS: No. This is the only time I’ve ever been able to talk to the players and it’s been absolutely awesome! All I’ve done today, I’ve talked to 17 players and 7 coaches.
PK: See, that’s fantastic!
BBS: And I’ve transcribed anything and it’s been awesome. The information that I’ve gotten, the insight I’ve gotten, has been like, boom! And its killed me that I don’t have this kind of access [regularly]
PK: See, I don’t know what the NFL should do. I really don’t know. I don’t know what the rules should be, but, and I’m really not positive, but we have to acknowledge that people are getting their information from a different way. What you told me today about the intense interest on your blog of what happened with the Colts.
BBS: In Week Sixteen.
PK: I mean, now if some blog is getting 2000 hits a month, well then I don’t think the NFL ought to credential them. But, if somebody is getting, you know 750,000 hits a month, then I think the NFL has to take that pretty seriously and we gotta let this guy in.
BBS: I get 50,000 a day.
PK: Fuck! You should have credentials!
BBS: My stuff gets placed on Yahoo Sports. On USA Today. On cbssports.com.
PK: See, you should have a credential.
BBS: Well, it’s the teams that control it. And the Colts have this very strict no blogger policy that they enforce to the letter. In fact, when [Mike Lombardi] tried to get creds for National Football Post, they told him no because he was associated with a blog. This is the guy who was the former GM of the Browns!
PK: Yeah.
BBS: So, they’re very strict about it. But, now they’ve totally frozen me out after the criticism I levied against them for week sixteen, which is unfortunate because I like their PR people. But, it doesn’t come from them.
PK: I’ve got a theory about the Colts and Week Sixteen.
BBS: What’s your theory?
PK: They may have talked about it today.
Some gents in suits walk over and get Peter’s attention. Apparently, he’s running late for something.
BBS: By the way, if I’m holding you up, I’m sorry.
PK: We gotta go, but my theory is that I think it’s entirely possible that the Colt looked at the landscape and looked Week Seventeen in Buffalo.
BBS: In Buffalo; in the snow.
PK: In Buffalo. But, not only looking at Week Seventeen at Buffalo in the snow but looking at week seventeen buffalo moved to a Sunday Night Game on NBC.
BBS: You mentioned this [theory] on a radio show that I listened to, that is [game] would get moved.
PK: Don’t you think that Peyton Manning, going to duplicate the Patriots, don’t you think there’s a very good chance? Unless there was a team that, you know, win and you’re in. And I think that maybe they would have taken the Colts over that. But I’m saying that, do you think the Colts want to be in position, ten below zero, with maybe some snow, slippery field, to have the Bills playing with their drunken fans? You know. 80,000 in the stands.
BBS: In a blizzard! It would have been a blizzard at night!
PK: In a blizzard. You know, potential to have to win the game to be undefeated, do you think they would want that? I don’t.
BBS: In a primetime setting where if they sit starters in primetime like [they did in week sixteen]-
PK: The human cry is going to be even more massive.
BBS: it would be huge.
PK: So, I don’t know. My theory is that I think that and, I’m not asked, I think Bill Polian did not mind losing in [Week Sixteen].
BBS: I don’t think he did either. And I know he really didn’t care what we thought, you know, because he told us. But, hey, thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
PK: Sure, no problem. Good luck.
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We shake hands and I pack up my things. Peter finishes his Pilsner Urquell. The two gents approach peter and he says, "Yeah, let’s do this. We can do this here." I assume he’s doing another interview, or maybe a podcast. It’s now near 9pm. The dude has been working all day, like me. However, unlike me, he isn’t done. He is STILL making content. Me? I head back to the pad where I’m staying.
I place my recorder back in my bag and walk out. I nod to the valet guy. It’s just a friendly "sup" nod, not a nod that he go get my friggin car ASAP! My car isn’t parked at the hotel. It’s back at the media center. I walk out into the night. South Florida this evening is cool with a nice breeze. I head back to the media center, steal a Mountain Dew from one of the dozens of complimentary beverage fridges, and head to the parking garage. "Fat hump," I think to myself. I am one for drinking this crap, but I need the caffeine to get home.
The drive is quiet. No radio. No music; just me and my thoughts. I digest everything I’ve heard throughout the day. I let it sink in deep. I let it settle. I realize that I didn’t ask Peter more questions about his supposed "love" for Brett Favre. But, right now, those questions really don’t matter. I think back on all the harsh, nasty, hateful words I’ve used to describe Peter King, and I cannot help but feel the bitter tingle of shame. Do I regret writing them? No. I believe in writing as a fan, and a fan’s voice is best written unfiltered and raw. No editing. No holding back; first thoughts in your mind pushed out into the digital world. And, quite frankly, many of the other media people I’ve taken shots at over the years deserve the harsh words. Hell, some of them write their crap to solicit those words. And in meeting several of them here, it has actually made me feel better about bashing them. They deserve it because they are lazy, stuck-up, entitled douchebags.
Not Peter King.
I once called him a lazy fat ass. Yeah, that was not an accurate slam on my part. On I-95 South, driving through downtown Miami on my way to Coral Gables, I realize how very much behind the curve I really am when it comes to creating new media content. Meanwhile, Peter King, the "fat, stupid, ignorant, closet Patriots fan" I have attacked for four years? Yeah, he’s kind of the gold standard in new media. He gets it. If anyone is fat, stupid, and lazy, it’s me.
I get to the place I’m staying after 10pm. I’m the first one home. The place belongs to my friend Chris, the Jaguars blogger at Big Cat Country. I pull out some left over Chinese food, pour a glass of wine, and dig in. Chris enters a few minutes later. He’s excited and anxious.
Chris: So, how’d it go with King?
I finish my cold Chinese, take a breath, prop my dirty feet up on the coffee table, and tell him how it will be very, very difficult for me to bash Peter King, the man, ever again. I will likely hate a future idea or an observation he makes. I may call them stupid. But is he stupid? No. No way. Peter King is pretty cool, and is nowhere near the dinosaur stage in his life that he so vigorously fights against.
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Sounds like peter King actually agrees with me
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/12/28/1221909/i-understand-fans-anger
Great Interview. Shows a side of Peter King we would’n normally get to see.
by Blueisgood on Feb 5, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Love it..
Great read, from start to finish. It’s crazy how we can really dislike someone online or in print but meet them in person and the view changes. I think you really have learned something from your experiences down at the SB and I expect that it will make this blog a better one.
We really appreciate the effort and hardwork you are putting in to get us this behind the scenes info. Thank you.
by DevilsReject on Feb 5, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting theory by Peter King
About the Colts losing to the Jets and not wanting to play on Sunday night in Buffalo. That is something Peter King could not say on TV or put in his column, for obvious reasons. We would probably never see this anywhere else. BTW, I have been checking the Saints blog, and they haven’t been able to get the type of interviews BBS has been able to get. EXCELLENT JOB, BBS.
that is because they don't have anyone down there until the day of the game (joel morgan is doing some for them but can only do so much and isn't solely doing that but is covering it from a more general point of view).
The Horses font feet have cleared the huddle and as time slows it is also time for the back feet to clear and for us to declare victory!!!!! GO COLTS!!!
previously known as (ANGELSFAITH)
by TheAngelsColts on Feb 5, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes ccause he is in the Mardi Gras parade and has his business. The news he had the chance to go was a little late.
The Horses font feet have cleared the huddle and as time slows it is also time for the back feet to clear and for us to declare victory!!!!! GO COLTS!!!
previously known as (ANGELSFAITH)
by TheAngelsColts on Feb 6, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
A wise way to think about things is....
It’s always easy to bash people you’ve never met. It’s much harder to after having met them in person.
53% of statistics are made up on the spot.
BBS
You’re a fantastic blogger BBS. There is no doubt in my mind you will make it big. Keep up the good work and great article. GO COLTS!!!
and welcome to you as well
The Horses font feet have cleared the huddle and as time slows it is also time for the back feet to clear and for us to declare victory!!!!! GO COLTS!!!
previously known as (ANGELSFAITH)
by TheAngelsColts on Feb 5, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Great interview
I have to admit that you painted an exact picture of Peter King in this interview. I had the pleasure of meeting Peter at Colts training camp and over some beers got to talk football for hours with the man. He is very geniune and is partial to NO team in the NFL. It always pissed me off when you bashed him on this blog, but I am glad you got to meet him and see how cool the guy is too. Keep up the great work!
but you never said anything as you were just a lurker (creepy)
glad to have you here.
The Horses font feet have cleared the huddle and as time slows it is also time for the back feet to clear and for us to declare victory!!!!! GO COLTS!!!
previously known as (ANGELSFAITH)
by TheAngelsColts on Feb 5, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
dude
is it your personal mission in life to call out lurkers and make them never want to post anything again? Not everyone feels they have 11343 insightful things to say, but it’s great that you do.
Do you have any idea what the fuck your talking about??? cause it doesn't sound like it.
all I said is that its to bad he never said anything about it, the creepy part if you ever read this is used all the time about the thought of a poster even a regular lurking unknowingly. So please tell me WTF I said that would make someone not want to come here.
The Horses font feet have cleared the huddle and as time slows it is also time for the back feet to clear and for us to declare victory!!!!! GO COLTS!!!
previously known as (ANGELSFAITH)
by TheAngelsColts on Feb 6, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Hell of a job
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Feb 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions
Great interview
And I think many of us held the same theory about week 16
How can you not love a team that does this?
Don't ya hate it
When you finally get the opportunity with somebody you have decided is a hump, and you walk away feeling bad? I am not a reporter of any kind, but I have always fancied myself as a judge of character. Just about when you think you have the world pegged, it steps up and pops you one in the nose. Great article, and be sure to spit out those crow feathers.
I still don't like the PK I read and have read for years
His injecting his personal quibbles such as SBUX and “things that may interest only me” are as annoying as Gregg Easterbrook’s forays into global warming and defense spending.
But any guy who follows up the statement “I’m dead tired” with “Let’s get a beer” surely deserves a second (or third) chance.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Wow, he's an actual person.
I will say one thing. His theory on week 16 is exactly what I was saying. So no more PK=DA from me.
This was a very insightful interview, BBS. The future of media really needs to be recognized by those “in charge.” Heck, I’ve adapted. The future is now, really.
What a fabulous experience for you. I really am grateful that you’ve been there to share it with us. All while looking through the eyes of a fan. I almost feel like I’m there.
Good job, bud.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
So who are actually d-bags in person?
Just curious as to who I don’t have to feel bad about calling them idiots who don’t deserve their job.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 5, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Kudos BBS
A million kudos.
Some of the best work you have done to date.
Week 17
This is what it says on NFL’s site about Week 17 flex.
Week 17 start time changes could be decided on 6 days notice to ensure a game with playoff implications.
I wonder if, because the game would have no playoff implications, the game would’ve been flexed had we won against the Jets.
Doubtful
Perfect season > playoff scenario
Quite honestly, more people would want to watch perfection as opposed to playoff games….and since it would have taken a true calamity for most of the teams to get in…only 2 games were really of any significance…
The NFL is about ratings just as much as it is about quality games….and a game for 16-0 would be HUGE
It was also a 1 o'clock game and I was under the impression
that only 4 o’clock games could be flexed.
Either way it’s a mute point now.
No, any game can be flexed the final weekend.
and there was a very strong possibility that it would be us if we were 15-0.
BBS
just want to say thanks. you’re doing some excellent work.
Mormon Here
so that’s what beer looks like /s/ Austin Collie
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Feb 6, 2010 3:37 AM EST reply actions
Great interview
Although it is a little sad that you went and humanized him for us – it’s gonna make it just that much tougher to ridicule him.
Nice interview
from a fan over at Buffalo Rumblings. Brian posted it at our site. This is the kind of hidden stories I wish we could get more of.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Nice interview
Kind of bad that people get bashed for writing opinions on sports. But some are jealous of guys who make a living from sports if they have bad jobs or no job. Also some are just rabid unreasonable fans.
I support Caldwell for keeping the starters healthy and giving up the chance for an undefeated season. Playoffs are what matters.
NE played everybody. WW got hurt, and NE got knocked out.
By letting the Jets win, Colts did not have to face Cinci or NE, and of course they beat the Jets when it counted, and are now in the Super Bowl with a healthy team. Kudos to Coach Caldwell.
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Very good interview
I read all the 2 part. Well done!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 6, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions
New respect for PK
I’ve never really had a problem with him, but this was a fantastic read.
Nice job
BBS
I used to think that you were the douchiest douchebag. But, for the very little its worth, I’ve changed my mind about you, much the same way you’ve changed on PK. Great stuff here. Keep up the good work.
great interview
what a great opportunity to interview pk. glad to hear he’s a good guy.

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