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From Peter King:

I can't get over the Pierre Garçon drop in the second quarter. Might have been the biggest play in the game.

I don't know about that. For me, giving up two TD drives in two key, critical moments in the game were the key "plays" in the game; the TD off the onside kick, and the TD after the missed Matt Stover FG. Again, you pay defensive players to come up with critical stops at critical times. Those were two critical times, and the Colts didn't stop them.

I'm not throwing the defense under the bus or anything. I'm just saying that if the Saints are stopped on any of those drives, the Colts win. Harping on a dropped ball in the second quarter is a bit much, especially since Garçon played so well for much of the game. The play of the game was the onside kick. Before that, the play of the game was the Colts stuffing the Saints on the goal line. The Colts just didn't make enough plays on defense to win. That is, really, the bottom line, and part of the reason for that was because Drew Brees played brilliant football.

Man, it's weird disagreeing with Peter and not calling him a "douchebag." I think he used some kind of Tibetan mind control on me as we sat in the hotel bar a few nights ago and talked football.

Oh, and if you haven't read our interview with Peter King, here it is again. I'd like to thank him again for taking the time to talk. Remember, King blew off Tunison, (because, you know, Tunison is a schmuck and all) but said yes to me. Yet another reason to not insult Peter King. In fact, we will praise him. Yay PK!

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He came on the field

And was the biggest WR there. Unfortunately, that dropping problem he had during the regular season attacked him again. It’d be fine if it was in a regular season game, but it was at the SB. What can we do?

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by trOOly on Feb 8, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

We stopped them on 4th and goal with 2 minutes left...

and decided to run the ball for a 3 and out. The Saints played to win and we stayed conservative – just like week 16. We have the best QB in the league for 2 minute offense and we basically gave up for the rest of the half allowing them to get that field goal.

We should have marched down there and tried to score at least.

by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 8, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously

That was the Colts MO this year, Manning striking with expert precision in the final two minutes of the half. Why stray from what had been the winning formula all year?

Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.

by DontHateAddai on Feb 8, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup..i can't even be upset.

The Saints deserved to win this one. Their coach made all the right calls and played to win.

by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 8, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I don’t want to point fingers, but that was some odd play calling. Yes they had success running it, but to do so again on 3rd down? It looked like they were playing not to lose. Against that Saints offense, they needed to make the most of the opportunities they had.

by changer1701 on Feb 8, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That was a pretty bad drop

Don’t know if you could go so far as to say it cost them the game, but it sure ended a nice looking drive…

by beckmania on Feb 8, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree with you

The Colts didn’t make enough plays because they didn’t have the ball! That Garcon drop led to the Saints taking up the entire second quarter. Had he caught that ball the Colts would have continued that drive and taken away some of that momentum. I’m not blaming the loss on Garcon by any means, but that drive stalling and giving the ball back to Brees and not in Manning’s hands was crucial

by italianp88 on Feb 8, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I am torn...

At the time I said to my wife…that could be the biggest play of the game…a HUGE drop. The Colts did not play the same again…at least not with any consistency. But to call it the biggest play of the game…the onside kick was huge…and until the Colts went conservative in the first half I thought the Brackett tackle on the goal line was huge. My feeling is if Garcon makes that catch the game is over…I can say that even thought it may be wrong.

All in all…the Saints were the better team. They played like they needed the game…the Colts didn’t for much of the game.

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by TRDean on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Don't forget

Marques Colston also had a pretty big whiff early in the game as well. If Colston had caught that pass, who knows, maybe the Saints would have put away last night’s game before it even got dramatic.

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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

If you're gonna point fingers, you gotta point at Reggie.

He quit on his rout on the pick 6, and he dropped what would’ve been a TD. Who knows? If he catches that TD, maybe the Colts recover their own onside kick.

by Crackback on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know, BBS

that was a pretty big play. The Colts could’ve been up 17-3 or at least 13-3 if Frenchie holds on to the ball, but we’ll never know.

Remember two weeks ago when people here where talking about how Gonzo would have to be 3rd or 4th receiver after Garçon? Well, I guess his job’s safe. Gonzo’s are so reliable and that’s what the Colts need and missed last night. Wayne and Gonzalez will be the starters while Garçon and Collie will probably be battling in training camp for the 3rd spot again.

Also, I’m sooooooooooo excited about the defense next year, specifically the secondary. With the Coyer’s scheme I think both Sanders and MJax (who the Colts will keep because he’s a RFA, right?) will thrive and Sanders won’t have to do as much back there. Polian needs to draft a pretty good rusher to that can get after the QB. Brock’s solid, but he ain’t no Freeney or Mathis.

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Feb 8, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Yep.

Gonzo’s hands always show up.

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by Cassieper on Feb 14, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Peter King

I agree with peter King. That catch more than likely would have resulted in a 17-3 lead and changed the complexion of the rest of the game. Almost exactly what happened with the Harrison fumble in the San Diego game 2 years ago.

BTW, isn;t it odd that the guy we got to replace Gonzo fumbled the onside kickoff, and the guy that replaced Gonzo in the starting lineup dropped the key pass.

by Blueisgood on Feb 8, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Nice call with the Harrison fumble

When that play happened I immediately thought of Harrison and what a momentum shift that was in the SD game.

Saints deserved to win that game last night and as a Boiler alum, I’m happy for Brees.

That being said, there is a lot to look forward to next year. Tons of talent coming back and now with some vengeance.

by STLPacerFan on Feb 8, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Turning Point

To me, the turning point in the game was the Colts not making any real attempt to move the ball with 2 minutes left in the 2nd Quarter. Considering their ability to score TDs in the two-minute offense this year, that may have amounted to a 10 point turnaround by just giving the ball back to NO with time to set up a FG.

by rufhausen on Feb 8, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

totally agreed

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 8, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The worst thing was not that we didn’t get points, but that we didn’t even try.

That showed Caldwell already playing defensive trying just to keep the lead.

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by gizzardfanny on Feb 8, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

King is wrong about the Goat of the Week...

Was Manning’s throw that turned into a pick six an “errant” throw? Porter just made a great play on the ball. The goat is Baskett on that onside kick, if anyone.

by changer1701 on Feb 8, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Nonsense Like This Makes Me Sick

You heap all of these accolades on Peyton Manning. You give him the keys to the franchise, including this huge salary cap-busting contract. You run an offense that features his strengths and masks his weaknesses. Manning never scrambles for a TD, first down, or even so much as gets his uniform dirty because we can’t have the franchise QB getting hurt. You use all of your draft picks to surround him with talent (Clark, Brown, Addai, Gonzalez, Wayne) and even do a great job getting guys like Collie, Garcon and Dominic Rhodes, yet you bristle at the idea that Manning’s great stats have anything to do with the players around him and the system, calling it disrespect. And despite the fact that Manning has blown opportunities under several guys now (Philip Fulmer in college, who won a national title AFTER MANNING LEFT, Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, now Jim Caldwell) we always claim that had the playcalling/strategy/motivation been more perfect things would have turned out different.

AND NOW YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BLAME THE SUPER BOWL LOSS ON THE DEFENSE? THE DEFENSE THAT HAS VIRTUALLY NO FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS BECAUSE THEY ALL GO TO MANNING’S WRS AND RBS? THE DEFENSE WHICH NEVER SIGNS TOP FREE AGENTS OR EVEN KEEPS THEIR OWN FREE AGENTS BECAUSE OF CONTRACTS FOR MANNING AND THE GUYS THAT MANNING THROWS TO? THE DEFENSE WHERE KEY GUYS WERE HOBBLING AROUND INJURED? IT IS THEIR FAULT?

It is incredible. What is the point of even having a QB like Peyton Manning – or at least what you guys claim Peyton Manning to be – if your DEFENSE still has to go out and win games? Well I have news for you … the DEFENSE held the Saints to 24 points. Peyton Manning and THE OFFENSE only put 17 points on the board and gave 7 points away to the other team. And a lot of the real work ON OFFENSE was done by Joseph Addai, who scored 1 TD, and set up the other with his longest run of the year.

Maybe you can blame the coordinator and head coach for letting Manning throw the ball 45 times when they were running the ball for 5 yards per carry. But even that is based on the FALSE IDEA that Manning is this guy who can dominate a game THAT ACTUALLY COUNTS. I am not talking about dominating regular season games, especially against the lousy AFC South division, one where the Colts, Titans and Texans have 3 playoff victories between them in the last 10 years, two of them by the Titans in 2002 and 2003. I am talking about GAMES THAT REALLY MATTER.

Sure, the Colts made the Super Bowl. But who did they beat to get there? The Ravens and the Jets. Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez, a 2nd year guy and a rookie at QB, neither of whom have anywhere near the talent on offense at their disposal that Manning does. Whoop tee do. Oh yeah, and the Colts were at home for both games. But leave Indy and play an equal or better team, and you get the same results as you always do.

Yes, Manning won a Super Bowl and was its MVP. But … Dominic Rhodes was the best offensive player. And the defense produced 5 turnovers! Manning truthfully only had 1 TD (and an INT) and an 81.8 passer rating in that game. Just like he only had an 88 passer rating with a TD and an INT in the last game.

Really, this nonsense has to end. Every year you guys claim that Manning is going to win it all for your team. And every year when it doesn’t happen, you blame the defense/the RBs/the WRs/the coaches. I have a suggestion … why not emphasize those areas of the team instead of making it the Peyton Manning show? Because the Peyton Manning show has only worked ONCE, and now that Manning is past his prime and there are a bunch of good young QBs in the AFC (no more Trent Dilfers winning Super Bowls) it isn’t going to work again.

People keep defending Manning in the Tom Brady comparison by saying “Brady had a better team around him.” Excuse me, that was because the Patriots were only paying Brady HALF (if even that much) of what Manning is making AND the Patriots didn’t take a WR or RB in the first round every other draft. So of course the Patriots were going to have a better defense … they were able to sign free agents and get top draft picks on that side of the ball, and the same goes for the Steelers, who don’t pay Ben Roethlisberger nearly as much as Manning gets either.

You can do your best to claim “it wasn’t Manning’s fault!” on that pick-six, knowing full well that if it were any other QB – and especially if it was a QB that you didn’t respect – throwing it you’d be singing a different tune. But you can’t get away from the fact that despite having all that talent around him on offense, Manning only produced 17 points on the same defense that Brett Favre and the Vikings went up and down the field on two weeks ago. For whatever reason, in big games the Manning show doesn’t produce a lot of points. Time to quit pretending otherwise. It was that way at Tennessee, it was that way under Mora, it was that way under Dungy, and now it is the same under Caldwell. The coaches have changed, the players around him have changed, the one thing that hasn’t changed is Manning. Admit it and hope that the coaching staff fixes it. I say that the Colts should use their top 2 draft picks on offensive linemen. Pound the ball with Addai – who is entering his prime – and Donald Moore, and let Peyton Manning pick his spots to make plays. It worked for Eli Manning a couple of years ago, so quit pretending that Manning is too good for it, that he HAS to have an offense centered around him. Because I have to tell you guys … it isn’t going to work any other way.

by GeraldBall on Feb 8, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

You're right.

Peyton Manning sucks. He’s never won nothin’ for nobody.

There’s enough blame to go around, but to try and pin it all on Manning is dumb.

by ActionOxford on Feb 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

this guy isn't entirely wrong

I disagree with you about what you say about Peyton. He has maximized everything with what he has, but your point of the team building strategy is pretty eccurate. It’s true, every year we draft weapons for Manning, but when are we gonna get a great lineman or impact defensive player? Now that Gary is gone we need to draft either a MLB or LT, but we will probably get another WR.

by Colts Live Free or Die! on Feb 8, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Some truth...

I’m also going to go with there’s some truth to this. However, in a lot of ways this was a Colts rebuilding year for defense, too. The team is committing to developing run-stopping ability. I think that the defense actually is developing in the right direction. Also, the offense now is fairly stacked with a balance of more expensive vets and later round (cheaper) young guys, so there may be some more $ to spend on defense…
I do have to say that the talk of reworking Manning’s contract (which I’m fine with) came out at a really odd time – why place the emphasis so obviously on Manning the individual player on the eve of a game requiring TEAM effort? I don’t think this necessarily affected anyone’s mindset on the field (it’s not like they don’t know who’s laying the golden eggs), but still it seemed a little… i don’t know… tacky?

by mississinewa on Feb 8, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

take a chill pill

Manning had a 115 passer rating up until he was intercepted. Noted I said intercepted because he didn’t throw a pick. Porter recognized Collie in the #1 spot and then make the motion behind Wayne and made one hell of a jump on a pass. To say we need to blame Manning for this loss is ridiculous. Oh and Addai’s big runs came from the Saints worried about the pass first and the run second.

I’d get more in depth on how the offense gave the D good field position and how special teams cost the Colts more but I’m really shitty right now and don’t want to dive into the numbers. You need to realize that your wall-o-text hissy fit about how we need to blame Manning and his O is the dumbest thing I have heard about this game.

If you want to blame someone blame the special teams coach for not making sure the return team is ready for a onsides kick, blame the coaching staff for playing it safe at the end of the second half, blame the trainers for not having Freeny ready immediatly after halftime, blame the coach for trying a 52yrd field goal and blame the D prepared at the start of the second half. In short blame the coaches.

by jegcelticfc on Feb 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

His post reaks of Manning-haterism. It contradicts itself on so many levels that I didn’t know where to begin ripping it to shreds.

by old_school on Feb 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Who *IS* this GeraldBall idiot? And why's he talking about a subject he doesn't know anything about?

And what the hell is this about Manning not dominating a game “THAT ACTUALLY COUNTS”? Damn, I didn’t know the 14 games in the regular season, the Baltimore, and the Jets game in the playoffs this season “didn’t count”. Or the 2006 AFC championship, the 21 point comeback against Tampa in 2003, the other year’s playoff games in Baltimore, Denver, KC, etc. etc.

Because I have to tell you guys … it isn’t going to work any other way.

Damn… another revalation! Didn’t know you can go 14 and 2 and make it to the Super Bowl on an offense that “doesn’t work”. Man, I’m amazed at this GeraldBall guy’s perceptual ability.

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by E.M.H. on Feb 10, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that game came down to a lot of things

The Peyton intercetption and the Colts lack of pressure on Brees. After the 1st half you could tell Freeney was hobbled. One heck of a gutsy perfromance by Freeney though

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Lack of pressure

I think the lack of pressure, especially in the second half was the biggest factor in the game. Drew Brees killed us, as we knew he could, because there was noone in his face.

by stony3k on Feb 8, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But....

That’s because he wasn’t holding onto the ball long enough for Freeney and Mathis to make a play. They started doing simple three step drops and dumping it off to Colston, Shockey and Henderson, ie. their big WRs (and TE). Our corners were simply incapable of defending against that stuff.

In my previous comment I pointed out that reminded me a lot of the Denver game when Orton started dumping it off to Marshall. None of our corners could defend against a big, physical receiver like Marshall, and Denver took advantage of that. On Sunday, Brees did the same thing. Just look at his completions: 32-39! If I remember correctly, I think Brees had one incompletion in the second half. Pretty brutal.

by ColtsFan41 on Feb 8, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t wait for Gonzo to be back.

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by KingRichard on Feb 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

+ 10 million

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by Cassieper on Feb 14, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

In order I'd say the four most important plays for the colts were:

1) Onside kick: This determined the game in my mind, not just because it kept the colts offense off of the field for another eternity, but because in it you could see that the Saints were playing the game at a whole different level of commitment than were the colts. We wanted the win, they NEEDED the win.

2) Up the middle on 3rd and short. We needed the score to take the momentum back; we needed the killer instinct; we needed a two-minute drill. We got a timid “safe” failure. When I saw them lining up I said in disbelief to my wife, “Oh, dear god, they are going to try and punch it up the middle!”

3) Garcon drop. Boink! Maybe he should put some velcro on his chest numbers.

4) Interception. They happen. They suck. But boy was this one a knife in the neck.

by Selador on Feb 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

I thought the same thing on Addai's run.

I looked around and said, “that was a terrible spot.”

But that drop, to me changed things. The Saints were on their heels, and the Colts offense was in good rhythm. A 17-3 or 13-3 lead forces the Saints’ hands a bit. Unfortunately, it never got there and the Saints caught their breath, regrouped, and found an offensive rhythm of their own.

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by Bill Potter on Feb 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things lost this game the onside kick and the pick 6

If either one of those things does not happen the Colts win IMO

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 8, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Game changer

While not blaming Garcon for the loss, his drop did change the flow of the game. You could just sense it. He catches it and the Colts are past midfield with a 10-3 and threatening more. He drops it and from then on, the Saints dominated the rest of the quarter and early into the third.

by JTBLA on Feb 8, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Hank Baskett

The reason we lost. He will have to wear that fumble his entire life. Kendra and his son will have to wear it too. It’s a shame because he is an above average 3rd or 4th receiver for many NFL teams, but he is most likely done in the NFL.

A case could be made for ‘wrong place, wrong time’ but Baskett went from being cut by the Eagels to getting a job with the AFC Champion Colts and having a chance to win a Super Bowl ring. He was only going to be a special team player in the game and a lot of people joke that he never see’s the field etc, but after last night’s fumble nobody can dispute how important every second of playing time is.

by Czar123 on Feb 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, you sure do take flubbed kicks seriously.

by dudebro on Feb 9, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Pass D?

It’s tough to deal with such a loss, but I don’t think we lost because of Garcon’s missed catch. True, if he had caught it, we would have converted and sustained the drive, but the same can be said of Collie’s drop, Wayne’s miscue and…you get the point, it’s not hard to list particular plays that would’ve helped us.

In my opinion, I would say that our biggest problem was our pass defense. The Saints seemed to play us like Denver did earlier in the season: namely, a three step drop from Brees and dump it off to Henderson or Colston (or Shockey). Both are big, physical receivers and our corners just couldn’t match up with them (I’m looking at you, Tim Jennings!). It just seemed like they could negate our pass rush because they weren’t trying to do anything special (from the 2nd quarter onwards). It was painful to watch the third quarter since the Saints were moving the ball with ease.

Anyways, I wonder how we are supposed to fix this next year. Get a shutdown corner? Hope Marlin Jackson, Bob Sanders and Kelvin Hayden are all healthy?

It’s tough to deal with a SB loss. It’s hard enough to get here, and be healthy too. I hope we can do it again.

by ColtsFan41 on Feb 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

sorry but this may be a first….I agree with peter, i have a scret line to god, king

that drop by garcon (I LOVE THE KID so this hurts me to say this) was THE PLAY OF THE GAME. we get that play, he runs a bunch, we probably score a TD and its 17-3. we are on a roll and the d is even pumped by this. we probably even score again before half. even if we dont its 17-3 or 17-6 at best. they are not onsiding the kick with a deficit of 11 instead of 4. that play to me was the bill buckner between the legs blunder replica. there is no doubt in my mind we win that game if we go ahead 17-3. I think it just might haunt garcon for a long time. after he dropped that huge gainer I said…thats the game. you cant blow chances like that in the biggest game of your life. and it WAS the game

by kinnickcolt on Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

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