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The predictable mock outrage over Manning not shaking hands

Vegas should create whole new betting categories on mock media and blogger outrage after a Colts loss. Today, we have people freaking out about Peyton Manning not shaking hands with Drew Brees after the Super Bowl loss:

When it was over and the New Orleans celebration had begun, Manning tight-roped the sideline without talking to anybody, his helmet low on his head, walking purposely toward the locker room. There was no midfield handshake with Brees or anybody.

It was a mistake.

"I'll certainly talk to Drew,'' he said. "I know how it was three years ago when we won, and there's not much consolation for the guys that didn't win. There's the stage being set up, and the celebration, and it's time for the Saints to celebrate. It's their field. They deserve the moment. But I certainly congratulate all their players and the Saints organization. I will speak to Drew, speak to Sean and they deserve all the credit.''

First off, we all know the reason Manning is "tight-roping" the sidelines without talking to anybody. It's because he HATES to lose. We know that. Drew Brees knows that. And it's why we love him. Hell, he didn't even take his helmet off. He was that pissed with himself. As a fan, how can you not love that? Give me 100 people with that kind of drive, and I'll build a elevator to them moon.

Manning is the Mayor of the NFL, and he will do what Manning does. He'll call Brees. He'll call Sean Payton. All will have tremendous personal and professional respect for one another today and loooooong after the post-mortem of Super Bowl 44 is put to bed. Not shaking hands wasn't a slight. It wasn't disrespectful. It wasn't even a "mistake." It was Peyton wrapped up in his thoughts, killing himself for not being perfect.

It's why we love him. It's why he's the best. Drew Brees and Sean Payton would agree with that.

And, predictably, media are droning about how "TERRIBLE!" it is that Manning didn't shake hands with the opponent when the cameras were on him, as if that is the only time such gestures mean anything.

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And all I read everywhere

Is “choker”, “disrespectful”, “QB of the decade my ass” and etc. And after being defeated like that, it’s hard to not give attention to then

Big Ben is 2-0. Manning is 1-1

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Ben also posted the worst QB rating ever for a SuperBowl winning team...

at 22.9 for anyone keeping score at home. He did nothing to win that first superbowl…actually, he tried his best to lose it.

Peyton will lead this team back to the Superbowl again, and next year we’ll be a frickin’ juggernaut. I don’t care about Peyton’s 9-9 playoff record, he’s still got plenty of tread left on his tires, and when it’s all said an done he’ll go down as the greatest ever. In the pantheon of all-time greats, forget about quarterbacks for a second; how many players in history have actually changed the way their position is played? Then take into account #18 plays the most demanding position, takes on d-coordinators and coaches whose job is solely to counteract and neutralize every gyration and audible Peyton makes at the line of scrimmage. How can people still not give the man credit??

Sure, they’ll point to post-season mediocrity…but I still take solace in the fact that a couple bounces here, if Nick Harper breaks to the outside instead of running directly into Big Ben, and an Overtime flip of the coin there, he could just as easily be sitting on 2-3 rings now.

I Bleed Blue! Go Colts!

by Mr. Indianapolis Colts on Feb 9, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only that...

But that final pass against the Cardinals was PATHETIC….The guy threw the ball in the middle of 3 friggin dbacks and just prayed for a miracle….that holmes made it

I’ll take Peyton over any other QB in the league…in any game…in any situation
This “clutch” factor…doesen’t exist….

It’s actually funny…I went through this so many times….that people always told me that the “clutch QB” is that guy who gets better when the game is on the line….
But if you imagine a perfect QB…who makes every throw just perfect…how the hell is that guy going to get better when the game is on the line??

by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Feb 9, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't believe Holmes had both feet down

but that’s an argument for another day

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he had both feet

But I think the James Harrison INT was not a TD….

There was a ton of bogus calls that day….

by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Feb 9, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ton of Bogus calls

Hmmm… seems to be a trend for the past two Steelers Super Bowl wins

by NYKings on Feb 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hardly. Don't tell me you're siding with the Seasquawks and Crydinals "fans".

They got flat outplayed by the Steelers, and the fact that they committed tons of stupid penalties just shows how unprepared they were for the spotlight.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 9, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm entitled my own opinion

I’d gladly go find every call in the Seahawks game (the game I was referring to more) that I disagreed with but you wouldn’t get it anytime soon – just not in the mood.

The Cardinals game – ehhh might’ve been something here and there but it probably went both ways. My big gripe is with Seahawks game.

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by NYKings on Feb 9, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't talk too much about Pittsburgh

benefitting from calls considering the Polamalu interception overturn in the ’05 game was the worst call in NFL history.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 9, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wha?????

Please tell me you’re joking. Once again, I realize y’all have been feeling mounting jealousy towards the Steelers over the past few years, a jealousy that has only been inflamed by the Miami meltdown. Ben’s pass was perfect, and so was Holmes’s catch. The fact that there were 3 DBs there makes the play more spectacular not less.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 9, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

His pass was a rookie mistake…he should have NEVER thrown that ball

The winning pass was actually that drop by Santonio earlier….But that throw was just plain lucky….poor…poor decision

But in the end…worked….guess thats all that matters, right?

by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Feb 9, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish we could play the Seahawks and Cardinals in the 2 Superbowls.

by BlueKrew on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How you played never ends up being as important as the result though. As I remember manning had an ok qb rating in the Superbowl he won. But he won, which is all history will remember.

by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Big Ben also got some major assistance against the Seahawks

But this “disrespectful” “choker” reaction is typical of the internet knee-jerk era. The media skewered LeBron over doing the same thing against Orlando and it was pretty much forgotten a month later.

by woomikee on Feb 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Peyton obviously made a tactical mistake by not shaking hands

But to say that he is disrespectful or a poor sport is unfair I’m sure he meant not disrespect

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 9, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure it is even a tactical mistake.

He does care about the outcome, more than some realize.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He made a big mistake

by not shaking hands. The reason he did it (his passion for winning) makes sense, but it was still a mistake and hurts his image. Even he admitted it. I’m sure he wishes he had that moment back. I guess we can’t rip Bill Belichick for not shaking hands anymore. Players need to realize that once the game is over, win or lose, the world is still watching.

by Ayrshire on Feb 10, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

and while he was at it, why doesn’t he get on stage with Brees and hold his hand. Peyton was not gonna interrupt the celebration for a handshake. Thats asinine

Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!

by coltsfan723 on Feb 10, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If certain people want to judge an athlete based sorely on postseason success or failure, let them.

I mean, it’s great to be a regular playoff winner. Of course I wish Peyton had a few more rings.

But it’s another thing altogether to sustain the high level of success and ability that Peyton Manning has delivered year after year for the past decade. Anyone who dissmisses all those games and records in favor of the crapshoot that is playoffs when it comes to judging an athlete shouldn’t be listened to.

by Riddering on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Rec'd

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Feb 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Meaning what exactly?

Not sure the point here. I tcertainly wouldn’t be Kaeding’s missed postseason FGs, because tat would be saying that Manning chokes in the playoffs. And he has been just fine there, with an occasional bad play. Brady’s been no better, though his team obviously has.

My argument will always be that wins and losses are team accomplishment, and personal stats are individual accomplishments. Everyone saying otherwise has a biased agenda.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 9, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ben had more players in his team

the steelers and the striped shirts

You just witnessed a legend above

by believeinblue41 on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL! That's the best you can do?

I know your 2-1 Super Bowl record looks pretty shabby compared to 6-1, but instead of tearing us down you should try building the Colts up.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 9, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with building us up.

I think the Steelers have a great organization, I just think we might end up more memorable/exciting. ; ]

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, you need to take a break.

Manning’s numbers are better than Mr. Ben’s, post-season or not..

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Numbers don't equal Super Bowls

I’d rather win a Super Bowl than have a 4,000 yard QB, 2 1,000 yard receivers, a 75 catch TE, and a 1,000 yard RB, which is exactly what the Steelers had this year.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Oneil Cousins is the Steelers' best Offensive Lineman
Frank Walker is their best CB.

by LV Steelers Fan on Feb 9, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Quitters never win, but cheaters sometimes do

by trOOly on Feb 9, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch for just the uniforms.

It is a combination of organization, plus unique individual attributes.

I don’t like Philip Rivers but I think he’s the best QB out of the 04 class, and on par or better than Brees. Football outsiders talks about the softer NFC defenses in their analysis all the time.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You can prefer what you want, that doesn't make someone better.

If you want to prove you’re a superior QB, instead of a good one on a team with an elite #1 defense, then do it.

Stats require the help of less teammates.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's be honest, this is just another example of bad sportsmanship displayed by Peyton.

Oh that’s right, Peyton has exhibited nothing short of excellent sportsmanship his entire career. He is the consummate professional athlete. Schmucks.

Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.

by DontHateAddai on Feb 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Yahoo Sports stuck up for him.

I never understand why people are so obsessed with how “sportsman like” they perceive someone to be. Why does he now have to call Drew Brees? I wouldn’t.

by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

I am sure he already did as they are good friends and talk all the time

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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 9, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's me thoughts...

I could care less, personally, but as a Cavaliers fan, to see how LeBron James was skewered in the media for doing the same thing – he texted Dwight Howard and the rest of the Magic, and talked to them in their locker room after Game 6 of the ECF last season – it becomes about hypocrisy.

Only the NHL has the handshake tied to it’s culture. Other than that, who needs the public display??

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by John Bena on Feb 9, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

As soon as I read about Peyton handshaking controversy, I thought of LeBron.

It pisses me off to no end that the media draws so much attention to this. Of course, when it’s athletes like Manning and James (ie, the best of the best of the best) it will get attention. No one cares when an athlete who is merely good doesn’t fall all over himself to congratulate the team that just beat him.

As an aside, baseball has it right in my opinion. The losing team leaves the field and the winning team stays to congratulate each other. It’s ridiculous to expect competitve athletes playing at the highest level to immediately be “classy” and “good sports” and all that nonsense after a loss—especially in the playoffs.

by Riddering on Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely agreed

I think the “handshake controversies” of recent times (James, Crosby, now Manning) are all pretty dumb. But it’s not like Manning’s been really singled out, particularly in comparison to James (whose character was destroyed all over the place) and Belichick (who was skewered after SB XLII because his handshake wasn’t long enough). Gotta love the media.

Hopefully everyone rolls their eyes and moves on (probably to attacking something Drew Brees does in the coming months that’s less than morally perfect).

Go Pats!

by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit, I loved that he was so emotional after the loss.

The guy cares, he’s a fiery guy and he’s not going to celebrate after every huge loss. I’m fine with his decision.

I like the comparisons with James, the best in the game don’t always have the best attitudes but they’re dominant and will get the job done.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone should remember that...

the next time it is a rival player or team that acts in a similar way – guys like LeBron, Crosby, Manning and even Belichick HATE TO LOSE! It is part of what makes them great at what they do. A fire inside them.

Like I have said – my issue is hypocrisy. Too many people are quick to attack. It is easy to take shots at another team’s player, but be prepared when it comes knocking at your door.

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by John Bena on Feb 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like the buddy Ryan approach

Never shake anyone’s hand so you can never be accused of hypocrisy.

by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

meda

most of the media in America have the intelligence level of an a #20 ice cream scoop and the personality of a 4 by 4 so don’t listen to them. I am a Jags fan but i have a high respect for manning and his brothers. Two truths in this world A. People are going to talk trash about you B it is your job to make sure it is not true (and this is especially true when you are successful)

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst part is

American sports media is 100x smarter than most overseas sports media.

by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

media

Media in general is evil most of it they do nothing but spread negativity and inject fear and doubt into the general population

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The Helmet

As an obsessed fan of Peyton Manning (and for the last 12 years an obsessed fan of the Colts), I have studied the way this man carries himself. He is a creature of habit. If you go back and look at every single win and every single loss you will see that in the wins he wears his sideline hat off the field. In the losses he wears his helmet. EVERY SINGLE TIME!

While I would have liked him shaking Drew’s hand after the game it would only be so the media wouldn’t have the lack of a handshake to talk about. But at the same time, I understand his point…that they’re trying to set up the stage and it makes it harder to find people when there are WAY more people on the field after a Super Bowl than there EVER are after a regular season game. People get lost in the shuffle and Drew at that point is busy getting his picture taken by the media holding his son and kissing his wife. I find it interesting that no one has mentioned that Reggie Wayne didn’t shake hands either. In fact, Reggie himself said that he was probably the first person in the locker room because he didn’t want to watch them celebrate.

It’s just the haters again. The people who are so jealous that Peyton isn’t on the team they pull for or the people who know he’s as good as advertised and for some reason just can’t stand that. So they take every single tiny little thing they can to criticize him. We’ve been through this before folks. We just have to stand our ground knowing that we do in fact have the best QB in the NFL on our team.

by bamagrad01 on Feb 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

First of all put yourselves in the Colts’ shoes… imagine just losing the superbowl and having to watch the other team celebrate… would you honestly want to do that… there will always be another time to congratulate them… I myself couldnt even watch the saints celebrate and im just a die hard fan. Even when i lose the big games in school i have a hard time congratulating people for just beating my team. Face it most people do. especially when there was A LOT of bad calls (im not making excuses for the Colts because unfortunately they didnt play as good as they couldve) Also why do they even have to congratulate them? where in the rules dose it say that? Yes its nice to but you don’t have to. If i was Peyton Manning i dont think i would of been able to congratulate the Saints what so ever. The fact that he even txted them later on and did shows he has good sportsman ship. This is all just one BS story made up by the media because they got nothing else to report one.

by Colts_fan on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

do you think the saints even noticed at the time?

that peyton and others like reggie didn’t come to congratulate them. In the post game celebration that is going on, I doubt Brees even noticed. The Saints were far too happy to even notice I imagine.

this is just a media made up story…

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by bluegirl on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

I'm tired of the media

just waiting for something to tear him down. And they do it with all great players. The way Peyton conducts himself on and off the field leaves little for the media to latch onto so they have to point to something so completely weak and try to make a big story of it. Besides, the congratulations given by any losing team are for the winning team members, not the media or the fans. This is why I’m avoiding ESPN and the like for a few weeks. It’s absurd the lengths they go to trying to make someone look bad or “human.”

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by peytonsthebest on Feb 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Making Peyton look "human"

He IS human.

The fact that the media spent the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl turning Peyton Manning into a god and crowning him king of the NFL isn’t Manning’s fault. He wasn’t out there hyping himself with every microphone available or putting his mug on whatever camera had it’s red light on just for publicity’s sake. In fact you get the idea that he would have rather not done all those interviews. Instead, he played the good soldier and did his part as the goodwill ambassador face of the franchise anyway. It’s what the good guys do.

Since the big names built him up to be the end-all-be-all, second-coming, then they had no choice but to make sure he fully crashed to the ground in print for no other reason than proving them wrong in the first place. Again, not Manning’s problem, but he’ll pay the price for a while anyway. Did he really go from Best. Quarterback. Ever. to ‘average’ in the course of 4 hours? Of course not. The media just hyped too high and now they’re swinging the other way. Soon enough (maybe a month?) they’ll drift back to a more realistic view.

I know there wasn’t any understanding of Belichick walking off the sideline in 2007, but he did hug and shake hands with Coughlin after the game. Now it happened to Wayne and Manning too – losing the Super Bowl is worse than any other game, and it’s wrong to look for and expect a hallmark moment from fierce competitors 2 seconds after it’s all over.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 9, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He's among the least human.

I’m not sure what they hyped up, he’s the only 4-time MVP. He should get some kind of unprecedented hype. QBs have played much worse in SB wins. Garcon and Wayne need to do a better job next time as well.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

He's not the second coming, he's already here. He's got the best numbers the game has ever seen.

Adjust for era and/or defense, his numbers are second to none. He deserved everything that was said about him. People can say what they want, but he’ll continue to accumulate elite numbers in the post-season and regular season.

He’s pretty much the oldest piece on Indy, they can still make Runs like Favre did late into his career. Except Peyton is more polished than the old man.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Two things that all the hype in the world won't change

1. Any given Sunday.
2. Ya never know.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 9, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

true this

any given Sunday is something a lot of people still don’t understand. Parity is not dead

Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.

by AJforAZ on Feb 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the team lost, on an individual level Wayne should have caught that last pass.

There are a couple of other things here and there, the Colts always play their competition close. Good game, the better team won.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Overblown

If we had won and Drew Brees did the same thing, I would not hold it against him. He was giving the Saints time to celebrate, and he will congratulate him later in private where it’s more genuine.

As far as all the choker stuff, lets be honest. he won two playoff games against two great defenses in dominating fashion, this game we just came up short. This loss hurts more than any other, but I don’t blame Manning at all for this loss.

We played a good game, but the Saints played a GREAT game. that’s the difference.

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by danorocks17 on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Now don’t make excuses. He wasn’t “giving the saints time to celebrate.” he was pissed off and wanted to get off the field asap… Which is fine. There’s nothing wrong with that, which is why there’s no need to invent some sort of noble intenions he may have had.

by JasonB on Feb 9, 2010 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Drew Brees and Manning are friends

stemming from Brees’ early days at Purdue. I’m pretty sure it was no bad blood. Who cares, honestly? It’s not a coach. A player should not be held to some immortal standard like that.

Would I love it if all sports do an NHL-like handshake line? Yes, yes I would. But since they don’t and the Saints were too busy deservedly celebrating, who cares.

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by dmstorm22 on Feb 9, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

He shakes hands, he doesn't. Who cares?

Of course he’s pissed. Who wouldn’t be?

Just don’t hold Belichick, Brady, or anyone else to a different standard than you are holding Manning to. Shaking hands or not, it sucks to lose.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

The difference is that this is the only time Manning has done this. He's famous for his hand written letters to current and former players.

Bill Belichick has a long history of this type of thing and does it in plenty of situations where he hasn’t lost. There’s a difference. The Lebron James comparison is a much better one.

by vintagephoenix on Feb 9, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Either it's wrong or it isn't

If, as a lot of Colts fans say above, Manning’s failure to shake hands is a sign of his true competitive nature and the handshake is pointless anyway, and it’s no sign of a character deficiency, then how is “a long history of this kind of thing” even relevant? It’s not a sign of bad character because Manning doesn’t have a long history of…doing something that you don’t think is a sign of bad character?

I think John Bena’s post above is pretty applicable here. (Especially since we don’t know these people, don’t know 95% of what goes on the field or in locker rooms, and are pretty ill-equipped to judge character in most instances; think Kirby Puckett.)

Go Pats!

by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, no it's not either/or.

Peyton has no history of poor sportsmanship, and Bill does. It’s a huge difference. James has no history of poor sportsmanship either. it’s a much better example. Stop searching for moral high ground where it doesn’t exsist.

by vintagephoenix on Feb 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather not get a handshake

than that bastardized “handshake” Bill gives to alot of coaches after losses.

I’m sure Bill doesn’t write letters to retiring players and text the opposing coach Congrats after the game.

There are similarities to Manning and Brady (who also rarely sticks around for postgame handshakes after losses, usually runs out shakes the other QB and leaves).

Also, coaches should be held to a higher standard than players in sportsmanship (my opinion).

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Feb 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what you get for forcing made-up media moments on such a competitive game

Vince Lombardi never shook any coaches hand after a game. Neither did George Halas, Paul Brown, or Curly Lambeau. They might have shook hands beforehand or waved from across the field, but never even considered shaking hands after the game because they were considered the enemy.

Here’s a terrific read about the history of NFL post-game handshakes, and one illustrating ten post-game highlights from years past.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fine, the old guys didn't

but now, they do. The expectation is that you go across the field and shake hands after the game. Just because the media has turned it into a photo op (which was all started with Belichick’s “handshake” with Mangini after the 2006 game anyway). I don’t need my coach to hug the other, just a nice cordial handshake.

Either way, I’m not absolving Manning, I’m just saying that I believe coaches should be held to a higher standard, and shake each others hands after each game.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Feb 9, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting point

There were times when Brady ran off the field when he was trying to be approachd, but he blew a reporter or someone off, IIRC. However, that is not what stands out on the Pats, because Brady is not the coach. When Belichick does so, it’s a bigger story.

Further, we aren’t talking about just the super bowl. We’re talking about the week in and out behavior in BB’s case.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 9, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Outrage over Manning not shaking hands

Ok, enough is enough. Why is that when we like someone that we give them so many breaks, and not make them be responsibility like every other person.

I think Manning is a great QB, nevertheless, his actions on Sunday are inexcusable. No matter how angry he was with himself, he still should have shown some diginity and professionalism and shook the hand of the oppposing QBs hand. This would have shown his real stock, and sealed him in the eyes of everyone that he is the consummate professionalism when losing and winning.

Stop it already with making excuses for him. This man owes it all the followers and Peyton Manning wanna-bes to conduct himself as a true professional. His actions on Sunday showed that he can only be professional is when he’s winning, and it leaves a sad commentary that he is a truly selfish person, only concerned about himself.

Time to stand up and take the good with the bad, and look, he lived to fight another day. Make excuses for him, but not everyone is going to give him an excuse for what he did, and neither am I.

To whom much is given, much is required. And respect and consideration is a two-way street.

What goes around comes around.

by truefan43 on Feb 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

You sir, are dead wrong about Peyton's character.

We defend him ‘cause the MSM is looking for anything to tear him down. It’s what east-coast idiots do.

by vintagephoenix on Feb 9, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Idiot

Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!

by coltsfan723 on Feb 9, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

A true professional

Competes. He doesn’t shake hands with the enemy and pretend nothing happened on the field.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

before

you judge with what little you have seen open your eyes and take a look at the bigger picture. Personally i think Manning wanted to get off the field in order to vent frustration. ( all men need a place and a time to vent so we don’t blow up at the wrong time or at the wrong people). You cant see what was going on in his head at the time and until you do please keep your comments to yourself because you are basing your comment on a small amount of information

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW-

The New Orleans news market could care less about this. All that I’ve heard is that “the media is overreacting”, yet I haven’t really heard any overreactions. Manning seemed to have obviously left so that they could celebrate. I don’t think ANYONE is upset over this. You are right, though, this is all faux-reporting that doesn’t deserve attention. There would have been no article proclaiming the great sportsmanship of Manning had he shaken Drew’s hand.

You guys played a great game, and had the severe displeasure of sitting on the wrong side of what looks to be destiny. Unfortunately, only one team could win.

Good luck in the future, and congratulations on producing such a great blog. Your content at CSC was professional and excellent to read.

-David.

"HOT BOUDIN! COOOOOLD COUS COUS, COME ON TIGAHS, PUSH PUSH PUSH!"

by David. on Feb 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Watch ESPN for more than 5 minutes, or read several thousand internet sites.

There’s so much stupid Manning hate running around it hard to keep up with.

by vintagephoenix on Feb 9, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm

stupidity is not worth the response don’t pay them the time of day

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, the funny thing is that I keep finding it by accident.

Like when I woke up on Tues. and realized that ESPN2 was on and Mike and Mike were ripping on Manning, those were the first words that I heard that day. I didn’t even turn them on…

by vintagephoenix on Feb 11, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Peyton called Brees

“I was able to talk to him after the game, just text messaging,” Brees said. “Obviously, I have a lot of respect for him and I know that he was definitely congratulatory toward our team.”
Brees doesn’t think anyone should interpret Manning going straight to the locker room as a slight.
“Peyton’s a class guy,” Brees said. “He definitely reached out.”

by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Feb 9, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Man

Screw the handshakes and all the ball-washing of the Saints. They are an inferior team which got lucky on all its gambles. Consistency is the mark of an excellent team.
Why does the media expect athletes to show “class”? I think MJD of Yahoo sports (have to agree with him on this) put it right: If you are a true competitor then you don’t shake hands as if nothing happened. In that sense I actually like Belicheat “Remember the feeling”. I’m sure #18 does.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

inferior??

they beat you by 14pts and held your offense to 17pts.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That guy's a first time

don’t listen to that drivel

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Feb 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Man

Look at our join dates and see who’s the first time.?

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

MyB

that was dickish of me. Didn’t recognize your name, and with the loads of real first-timers, I made that accusation.

Sorry, dude.

EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Feb 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem

Besides I’m edgy too like a lot of us here. I don’t get the chance to post as much as others unfortunately

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

F off 18-1

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

f off 16-3

go cry me a river.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100208/SPORTS03/2090305/

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You are trolling now

F your sig. Let’s see what the Patsies do next season.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not a troll

my sig is response to 2 of ur fans who have the brady quote of scoring only 17 pts in sb 42.
ur just a crying little punk who can’t give credit to a team who beat you in all phases of football.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He scored 14 points, with the highest scoring offense on a neutral field.

So you need to adjust that.

And no one dropped any TD passes in that game.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I would be more worried about the Pats next season than trolling on the Colts. I’m not going to give credit to luck, just like I say that the Pats deserved to be 19-0.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

troll??...
How does One and done feel now?

“Winning is not everything;the desire to win is” – Vince Lombardi
“Lomu’s the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when ’er indoors is looking the other way.” – Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Jan 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I just

Gave the Pats fans a taste of their own medicine. Sorry I hurt your feelings lil boy !! :D

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

did u see

any pats regulars @ pp “troll” @ sb after the sb loss??..no
your just a pompous little bitch and a hypocrite.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Said it once

Will say it again. No personal attacks. We’ve seen enough Pats trolls during the 2007 season.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 10, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

Mathew, glad to know you are alive to make this comment on PP

 for the manning pic

If your quarterback just threw a pick in the Super Bowl and yet you blame the loss on your defense, a "lucky" onside kick, and on Wayne, you’re a homer.

like this idiot from sb.

     Man, Screw the handshakes and all the ball-washing of the Saints. They are an inferior team which got lucky on all its gambles. Consistency is the mark of an excellent team.
    Why does the media expect athletes to show “class”? I think MJD of Yahoo sports (have to agree with him on this) put it right: If you are a true competitor then you don’t shake hands as if nothing happened. In that sense I actually like Belicheat “Remember the feeling”. I’m sure #18 does.
    by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki…..159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey…A Buckeye for Life

by mathew.40 on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

There was something on the news about a Ohio National Guard soldier being shot by his platoon mates (after sodomy of course) for being an annoying bastard! You immediately came to my mind cause you match that description.

Don’t care if BBS/Shake bans me, but enough is enough!

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 11, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

owww

did i strike a nerve w. you?
I served honorably for 12 months in Iraq…what do u do in the meantime?…probably wanking off to anime porn and playing world of warcraft all day long, while living in your grandma’s house.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 11, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hey

lets keep this on football nuthin else no need for the low blows

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You pathetic little mofo SOB

How dare you question someones military career when he spent a tour in Iraq to protect a worthless little POS like you
I spent 22 mos in Iraq and 9 mos in Afghanistan for you to knock his military service is about as low as any american can go i dont care if you argue with him every day about anything there are somethings that should be left unsaid

by mississippisaintsfan on Feb 11, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hey hey

lets keep this on football no need for anything else or low blows

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you use to be an okay guy around here?

What happened to you? Or was that just my imagination?

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont like rangercolt76 and trooly

but i like most of ya. hey…i defended the fact that manning wasn’t a choker.
also the sig was in response to trooly’s sig.
and my rangercolt can’t give any credit to the saints for their victory.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't like it

Write a friggin article on the Pats Pulpit. Don’t troll over here

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

go whin

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If it helps, I don't think you're a troll at all.

You’re a good guy. You’ve always been respectful around here, and, as a Pats fan, I expect you’re opinion to be colored by your fandom. In fact, I like well thought out decenting opinions, we don’t have to agree, we just need to know that it’s an honest opinion, and not some braindead 12yr old.
In fact, when I take cheap shots at the Pats, I try to put in an apology to our regular Pats fans. It’s just trash-talk and not an honest opinion. I have real issues with Bill B. and parts of that organization, but I have no issues with Brady, or most of the players. I just don’t like Junior S., R. Harrison (both related to their SD days and less related to their Pats days), and Teddy B. Other than that, it’s just smack talk.

by vintagephoenix on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you

i respect the colts and most of its fans. this rangercolt genius has been on my nerves ever since one of your bowl game threads. back in dec, where i was having a conversation w. angles about random non football stufff, and this genius brought on 18-1.
then he said this @ pp….less than an hr after the beat down by the ravens

How does One and done feel now?

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" – Vince Lombardi
"Lomu’s the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when ’er indoors is looking the other way." – Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Jan 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but in all fairness

this is a Colts fan site and we are trying to cope with fresh disappointment. I can’t imagine going on a Patriots sit right after one of their losses and rubbing it in a fresh wound, kicking them while they’re down, etc. Perhaps some Colts fans did. That makes them as classless and distasteful as you are being now.

Listen, there are a million and one places to find plenty of hate for the Colts online right now. Let us have our own site to work through the disappointment and vent without this stuff. Or else you can just keep being that way I guess. I just didn’t expect it from you so much.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 9, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually happens all the time, but I shoot trolls on site (spelling intended).

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and good for you. Seriously.

I don’t understand the mentality of trolling after a loss, personally. I wish no Colts fan ever did it, and I’m sick of seeing it towards us year in and year out at the worst of times.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 10, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

this is from bbs after the pats lost sb 42.
Brady is on now, and unlike previous loses (where he storms off and seems to cry) he’s actually standing in there and fielding questions.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

and manning should worry about

his 9-9 playoff record and 2td/2 int sb

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Flacco has a 3-2 record in the playoffs.

Which won relies on less teammates, stats or wins?

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i rather get the wins than the stats.

if i make a statement, you counter it w. a different one that is related to the subject that i’m taking about.
hooray…Manning is GOD Almighty and we should all bow down in his presence.
There…are you happy now???

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

i make a point and you bring this up???

i was talking about how hypocritical BBS was.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Sean Payton's unsportsmanlike comment

He said when introducing Brees for trophy that he was Superbowl and true league MVP. Obviously taking a jab at Peyton winning it.

by FineClub on Feb 9, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Normally the prevailing team says something positive

about the other team. I did not hear anything about the Colts from Saints until post-game interviews. Technically, that is also a break in proper decorum if people want to get all technical.

by FineClub on Feb 9, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad he didn't shake his hand then.

When Peyton retires with the better career, I’ll take that.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Why isn’t the media not even making that an issue? After all it is actually a jab at the voters.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

True

The Colts should lock out the media (MSM) for the next season for all the crap written about them.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they deserved it and they knew it. Sorry, but Manning won the MVP because of his name, not his stats. His stats were GREAT don’t get me wrong. But the problem is, Brees’ were too. So were Farve’s. At the very least, the voting should have been a lot closer than the farce it turned out to be. In a truly ideal world, all three would have been co-MVPs.

by FriarBob on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad Mannning won it.

And he is essential to our team. However, I’d have had no gripe if Brees would’ve won it. In the end though, he won the preferred MVP, so I’m sure he is feeling fine with it all.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 10, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

A four-way tie?

No Chargers fan, but Rivers’ numbers were awesome. And they’d have been nowhere this year without him.

(And your statement is well-put. Manning for MVP is fine, but 79% of the vote was just silly, given the competition…)

Go Pats!

by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 10, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

he was on fire…i think the saints beat like 5 or 6 future HOF qb’s.

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the MVP in the League Championship.

That makes him the Entire Season MVP. Peyton was the Regular Season MVP. Brees was the League MVP.

by Richard Hill on Feb 11, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the media

is tripping but non of us care that (The New Orleans Native) Manning didn’t shake hands afterwards. We all pull for any of the Mannings when The Saints aren’t playing. The MVP thing is debatable with a few players so y’all shouldn’t be mad at our coach for thinking Brees deserves it, hell he’s suppose to think like that. Now what y’all should be ashamed of is this headline:
11 Fans Greet Colts at Airport on Return from Super Bowl
But hey whatever, maybe we’ll meet up again in Dallas!
WHO DAT!!!

by BigTMill on Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

If

You say everything you think and that too on a national stage you are considered a raving lunatic. Payton could’ve praised Brees without a direct shot at Peyton’s accomplishments this season.

"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
"Lomu's the Brent Spar with attitude. A figure who inspires hero worship among even those who think a fly-half is a glass of beer consumed when 'er indoors is looking the other way." - Robert Philip Daily

by rangerover76 on Feb 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't questioning Manning's accomplishments...

Just saying that Brees’s were better.

"HOT BOUDIN! COOOOOLD COUS COUS, COME ON TIGAHS, PUSH PUSH PUSH!"

by David. on Feb 9, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Just looked at your posts...

Looks like you just joined SB to bash manning. way to troll.

by WaynesWorld on Feb 9, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

See

Y’all missin the point! Nobody’s bashing Manning he’s from the NO baby he get’s props. What I’m trippin on is Y’ALL not showing up for your team.

by BigTMill on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew the second he threw that interception that the media would IMMEDIATELY start calling him a choker and everything else they like to call him. including back to the brady is better than peyton. the monkey is back. they couldnt wait to bring back the monkey and peyton knows it.

I totally respect what peyton did. I felt like him. I turned the tv off the SECOND that INT. happened and for two days have not read anything other than colts writers of what was said about the superbowl. the media WAS WAITING TO RIP peyton and just screw them.

if anybody knows peyton and how he handles himself, always gracious after everything…this hurt. hes the only guy to hand write a special note to every guy who retires, nobody does stuff like that. NOBODY. he never talks smack. ever

but when the media and other teams fan can find one little opening its attack. thats why I have chose to stay away from them..just like peyton.

I just got soooooooooo sick of katrina and poor them even though many cities have catastrophes that NEVER get covered still 5 years later. iowa had their entire state under water and in florida this wasnt covered…only that WE knew becasue we had family there. their devastation wasnt covered for years. they didnt have a week to leave. what happened in NO was horrible but this was a football game. the pity that went with this superbowl I wanted to puke. arizona never went to a superbowl before last year, and yet there was no pity attached to them and it was against the team who had won the most. it seems that depends on who the opponent is if they are worthy enough because the media was not so one sided as it was this time. so arizona wasnt good enough but new orleans was. pitt, even though they have won more….there was no angle against them. this year…indy has won one superbowl and it was 3 years ago and the media made out like they have won all these superbowls

peyton being from new orleans…the team he cheered for in his youth….his dads team…seriously think about it. give HIM A BREAK. how hard was this for him when the media portrays him as the goat when the real plays that determined this game were done long before that interception.

I never take for granted that the colts will go to another superbowl, with so much involved into actually making one that peyton was crushed and he just had to get away. and who knows if he will get another chance.

the media is cowards for even talking about this. if and when the colts do make another superbowl please be it A FOOTBALL game instead of a pity party. that may sound harsh but its how I feel. they werent going to let us win one is how I felt from the very beginning. if this game would have went into overtime there is just no way they, meaning anybody involved from the refs to everything in between wasnt going to let the saints NOT win.

thats how alot of colts fans felt

by kinnickcolt on Feb 9, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you, except I didn't turn the game off after the mistake though.

There’s always a chance with this team, if Wayne catches that ball like he should have, we have an onside kick determine the game.

Fair on all points though.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know,

dude there are SOOO many natural disasters in years. And I don’t see anyone rooting for the Giants because of “9/11”. I had cousins who lived in New Orleans and stuff but damn there is a natural disaster everywhere. And part of the reason why Katrina was even that big was New Orlean’s own fault!

by willyoubemycharizard on Feb 9, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You might be surprised just how many Saints fans might agree with you about Katrina. Most of us are sick of hearing about it too.

by FriarBob on Feb 9, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady did the same thing

after the Giants loss. The only reason he didn’t get a media beatdown is because Belichick was already two steps ahead of him walking toward the locker room. Brady was ignored pretty much, and the media gave it to Belichick pretty good.

Honestly guys, don’t listen to the nonsense drivel that the Skip Bayless’s of the world will spew out. I have not tuned in, nor will I, to that crap network for quite some time. Yeah, he probably could have/should have shook hands afterward, but something tells me Brees and Payton won’t hold a grudge. They all respect each other and know he was STEAMING mad. Kobe did it, Lebron did it, Brady did it, and many other superstars have done it. Shouldn’t even be a story.

As for the"choker" label being once again applied to Manning, any sensible football fan (i.e. non-media types) know that football is the one sport that one man can’t win alone. If he had thrown 4 picks and completed something like 42% of his passes, then yeah, he can be called that. But completing almost 70%, making some amazing throws into extremely tight spaces, having to deal with a few key drops, and not to mention how he was dealing with two extremely young players (garcon, collie) in their first super bowl and biggesg games of their life. He threw ONE pick, which by all accounts and from what I saw, was a poor route by Wayne. QBs get too much credit and too much blame. He wasn’t playing defense, he didn’t allow those two TD drives, it wasn’t his fault he only got 6 plays in one quarter, but hey, no one expects the media to be smart.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Feb 9, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

Outrage is in mainstream media only

Who cares about what mainstream media thinks, true sports fans realize it was a mob scene out there and i’m sure manning was dissapointed enough that he didn’t wanna have to find brees in the crowd.

I do wanna say everyone was ripping belichick for running off the field even tough he already shook hands with coughlin…..you guys gotta agree it was the pats’ QB, you guys may look at it differently. With that said, most radio hosts i hear think this controversy is garbage so I think true football fans know Manning is a class act.

On the super bowl loss, I just wanna say as training camp comes around you guys will feel better. It took me about 3 months to semi-recover from 07 and I don’t think I’m completely over it even now. At least you guys already have every position filled with promising young players or older players that are studs. Good luck next year

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

Hey guys as a Giants fan

that roots for a Manning I can understand your pain. Eli like Peyton is a big target for unwarrented critisisim in both the NY and National media. I mean the guy was a hero two years ago and then he loses a playoff game a year later and he’s a mut again. The Manning’s bring out a lot of hate in madia types.

I was on sirus Mad Dog radio defending Peyton today casue that idot has had a hardon for both Mannings for years. All last week he’s talking about how tough of a task it is for Saints to defend Peyton then the Colts lose and he’s telling everybody he told us so about how overrated Peyton is and how he’s not even close to Brady. I pointed out that Brady did nothing special in 2001 the Pats D won that SB and Peyton has only had that luxery of not being great all the time to win once in 06 and the Colts won it all.

I just think the argument that this QB has more rings than the other so therfore he is better is very short sighted a bit lazy and to be frank kinda stupid. I mean football is the ultimate team sport QB’s like Brady, Big Ben, Elway, Aikman and even Montana have won playoff games when they did not play so well or their O’s struggled but their D’s or dominate RB’s kept them in games and pulled a few out for them. Peyton has only been on one team like that once and they won a SB. Big Ben was great in three playoff games in 05 then stunk in the SB but still won casue the Steelers D and run game. Peyton was great in two playoff games this year then ok in the SB and the Colts lose by two TD’s. More than any other QB over the last 10 years Peyton Manning has meant more to his team and when he’s not great the Colts do not win while other chamionship QB’s this decade have all benfited from some great defensive play but for some reason the media does not notice that they just take the easy way out and say well he has more rings therefore he’s better. Well then Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johson are all better than Dan Marino. It sounds stupid but it’s the same logic when used when people rip Peyton it’s just absurd.

by Landeta on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

Eli is terrible, don’t compare him to Peyton in any way

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli's decent.

He can still develop, he’s a top ten type of Quarterback.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

"Eli is terrible"

wow thats a real insightful comment from mid 2007. He’s a top 10 QB in the league say what you want but thats the fact. You lose a lot of creddability with that comment. I’m sure you think Joe Flacco is a lot better and I’m sure after Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen has his first 300 yard game you’ll be ranking him higher than Eli too .

I’m not comparing him as a player to Peyton, I know Peyton is a lot better, I’m comparing how Eli is scrutinized by the New York media in a similar way that Peyton is on a national level and that there seems to be people in each media group that dislike both of them and harp on their failures while glaze over their success. Like your Eli is terrible comment, thats the stuff that I’m talking about I mean really?! Eli’s terrible, maybe overrated early in his carreer casue of his last name but terrible? Jason Cambel is terrible, Jamarcus Russel is terrible. Eli’s a good QB who is erratic at times but extemely clutch in other situations, he lacks the consistancy to be considered great but when he’s on he’s as good as anyone and he’s getting better.

by Landeta on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol i kno it’s not an insightful comment. I don’t think Flacco is better btw because I think ryan and flacco should prove themselves for more than a few games before we crown them the next coming like the media has done. Look what they did this year, Flacco was pretty bad in late game situations except on against the vikings. Ryan was probably the most dissapointing player in the NFL.

Eli is HIGHLY overrated and he’s not a top 10 QB. He’s middle of the pack and he had a great 2nd half of the year in 2007

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

it all comes down

To the ability for any team to protect their QB and win the battle in the trenches that IS what won the game for the Saints and lost it for the Colts they lost the battle of the lines and Drew had all day and some weeks to throw that ball. Put Eli behind the Colts line and see how good he really is

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think that

you are seriously a moron…Most if not all Colts fan support Eli. So back your shit up or STFU

Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!

by coltsfan723 on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a Colts fan and I don’t support Eli. I was underrating him because he is clearly overrated. He’s an average-a bit above average QB. And yes, I’m still bitter about 2007

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

THing is he's been really really good since 07

and if you have not watched him that much it’s easy to say he’s not that good. he’s not nearly as inconsistant or INT prone and this year without a running game and a terrible D and not great pass protection and rookie WR’s for the most part he had a 90 + QB rating and threw for over 4,,000 yards and he was very good in 08 too. Like I said he’s overrated if you compare him to his brother and he was not a top 10 guy 04-07 and was a middle of the pack guy like you suggest but since the 07 run he’s been a top 10 QB. Without Eli this year the Giants are 5-11 not 8-8 thats how bad their D was Eli put the team on his back in a few games and won them.

It’s kinda wierd with him. When he had great pass protection, Tiki, Plax, Shockey an Amani, he was erratic and inconsistant now with none of that he’s improved greatly, it’s kinda wierd.

I can see your bitter about that SB loss but with Eli he’s always had a knack for what he did against the Pats in that game. I did not think the GIants would win going in but when Brady socred with over too minutes left I said Eli will make this very interesting he always seems too. He’s actually the opposite of his brother. Even when he was mediocre he would stuggle for 50 minuets of a game but plays his best late and pull wins out. Thats why I think he’s good your team always has a shot in a close game with him.

by Landeta on Feb 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

to save yourself

you must do one of two things. 1. Change the radio channel 2. call in and tell the radio to stop filling your car with his BS.

AS my dad use to say “there is a rule when the BULLSHI_ gets knee high time to switch to boots”
When hearing all the criticism from Monday morning QB’s most of which have never known the pressure of doing what these guys do i turn it off

by jesusjagfan2009 on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that quote

thanks for that

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, wasn’t gonna read your whole post but decided to stick around. Brady was indeed very special in 2001. If you’re going to say he wasn’t, then people can say Eli wasn’t special in 2007 (as much as I don’t like him, he was good in 07) and it was the D that won them the super bowl.

Pats were 5-11 in 2001. In 2002, when he came in for bledsoe, they were 0-2. He led that team to a 10-4 record as a starter and lead a drive that went 60 yards in 1:21 to set up vinatieri. I understand trying to praise Peyton, but please don’t bring down a great player to do it.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not brining down Brady he was great in 2001

but was not great in the SB thats my point he did not have to be cause the Pats had a great D. Yes Brady was great in the playoff game vs the Raiders but he did not play much vs the Steelers and was ok vs the Rams yet they still won a SB casue they were a great team and did not need Brady to be great in all 3 playoff games. Peyton has been great in almost every regular season but has lost playoff games becasue when he’s not great for 4 quarters his teams could not help take the burden off of him and they lose while Brady has not been in that situation until this year and how did he fair in the playoffs against the Ravens? It’s a team sport great defense is just as important as geat QB play and the Pats have had that. In SB 36 that 60 yard drive to set up the Vinatieri FG was the only drive in that game the Pats offense moved the ball from their own territory into the Rams territory and scored. The other 10 offensive points were set up casue of turnovers and the Pats got the ball in Rams terrirory and Ty Law returned a pick. The Pats O was responsible for 13 points and totaled a little bit over 200 total yards. I’m sorry that is not a great performance by a QB and if Peyton Manning does that and the Colts lose becasue their D is not as good he gets crucified. I’m not saying this to rip Brady casue I think he’s great but my point is that SB win for the Pats was as much as a team win as anything and personally I’m more impressed with a guy like Peyton who’s had to carry his team for his entire carreer while Brady has been a great player on a great team and has not had to carry them week in and week out until recently and he was one and done in unimpressive fashion kinda like Peyton has been at times.

by Landeta on Feb 9, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he was better than ok. But on the flip side, how’s Peyton carried his team his entire career exactly…..2 Hall of fame receivers isn’t enough??? You saw Brady put up those numbers in his 1st year starting against a superbowl caliber defense with Troy Brown, David Patten, and Antowain Smith. I do agree it’s team game but then you have to factor that Manning has always had weapons on offense and Brady won 3 super bowls without any. The one year he had a great running game they won in 2005 (eagles) but even then his receivers were average.

So while I agree that he’s had better defense, clearly until 2007 Manning was provided the better offensive weapons. And we all saw that Brady can put up stats when he has weapons like in 2007. I don’t wanna turn this into manning vs brady although I’m afraid I already have lol. I don’t like that people discount his game winning drives w/o any offensive weapons.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that argument works, because the Pats had an inferior offense and still won 14 regular season games in 03 and 04.

Conversely the Colts had terrible defenses except 2005. In 2007 Robert Mathis and Freeney were both injured.

Do the Colts also choke in the regular season? Because with an elite offense they still only won 12 games in 2004. The facts are what they are, Brady doesn’t have monster post-season numbers.

He put up an impressive season in 07, but I always thought Moss was better than Harrison though.

Ultimately, Manning has the single highest rated season in NFL history. You can put as many weapons as you want around QB X, no one has ever matched Peyton in that regard.

If Marino is remembered as a couple rings short from GOAT, don’t worry Manning will be seen as a legit candidate when his career is finished.

by huevonkiller on Feb 9, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats won 14 2 straight years because of Brady.

Well Manning doesn’t have monster post season numbers either, far from it. Colts defenses haven’t been "terrible", I mean in a cover 2 the most important thing is quick pressure from your front 4. Dwight Freeney since 2002 has the most sacks in the league. Unless Cover 2 is a flawed concept, the Colts defense should be excelling every year because of Freeney and Mathis.

Moss is better than Harrison, but Peyton had MArvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.

Brady would also have monster numbers with those wide receivers and if he played in a dome his entire career. Careful don’t go near GOAT with either one of these guys YET. let’s wait and see how they finish up their career.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again it's defense I'm talking about

not skilled players as much. Defense is much more important than great WR’s and NE had that. IF you would like me to re-rephrase it as Peyton and his O carried the Colts then I will. And you prove my point Brady can put up numbers with great offensive talent but he has failed to win a SB since the Pats morphed into a Colt like team in 07 with great skill players and a shakey D. In fact since 07 Brady is 2-2 in the playoffs. Just like Peyton has failed with great skill players and an average D. And Brady will not win another SB until Bellecheck gets that D in order.

Name a great O or QB that the Colts D has shut down in the playoffs in the Manning era. The one time they beat the Pats it was a shootout.
WHile the Pats have shut down that Great Rams O, and the Colts twice TO and McNabb. Hell Pittsburgh won a few SB’s and they had a big showing vs the Colts and for 3 quarters vs the Cardinals and Warner. The Giants won one and their D had had a huge game vs the Pats and BRady and a good one against Favre. The Saints won one and had good defensive game vs the Cards and the Colts. The Ravens and Bucs were all D and just kicked the crap out of everybody but they mediorce QB’s and ok skill players. When have the Colts D shut down a Brady or Brees or Rivers? Brady’s team has done that as has Big Ben’s and Eli’s. I just don’t like how Brady gets so much credit for winning a SB in 01 in which yea he more or less managed that SB game becasue thats all he needed to do for the Pats to win while Peyton gets killed becasue well he does not go 30-40 for 350 and 3 TD’s for the third straight game becasue thats the Colts only chance of winning.

Let me ask you this, if Brady and Manning switched teams and Manning had that Pats D of the early 2000’s do you think he only wins one SB and has an 8-8 playoff record and if Brady has those Colts D’s do think he still wins 3 SBs? I sure don’t.

BOth guys are great one played on a great team with an awsome Defense the other played on a good team with some great WR’s but an average to below average Defense. Great Defense is 11 guys great skill players are one or two big difference on the overall effect they have on the game.

by Landeta on Feb 9, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

NE scored 24 in 2003 Loss
NE scored 20 in 2004 Loss
Pit scored 21 in 2005 Loss
Bal scored 6 in 2006 Win
SD scored 23 in 2008 Loss

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd hardley call the 06 Ravens with a beatup McNair a great O

and 20 plus points is ok but not great. It’s not what the Pats did to the Rams in 01 when they held them to 17 scored a TD of their own and set up their O twice in Rams territory becasue of Turnovers. It’s not the Giants sacking Tom Brady 5 times and more or less beating the snot out of him on almost every play and holding the highest scoring ofensive of all time to 14 points.

Keep in mind while they held the Pats to 20 and 24 points in 03 and 04 the Pats D was doing one better by holding the Colts to under 10 in both of those games.

Pitt was not a great O in 06. Good not great. And like in in 03 and 04 with he Pats the Steelers D one upping the Colts D by holding a better ofense to 18.

by Landeta on Feb 10, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You admit colts D was good in 2006 when they won. So I don’t know what we’re arguing. You need good D, and good QB play which both of them provided when each of won their super bowls.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Again thats my point

the Colts D did play very well in 06 and outside the NE game Peyton was average to slightly above average in his playoff games yet they were able to string together 4 straight wins becasue the team played well Peyton and the O did not need to do it all by himself for 4 staight games.

My point is Brady has been on more teams like that than Peyton has which has given him more opportunity for ultimate team success hence his better playoff record and his extra rings. It’s not becasue Brady is more of a “winner” than Peyton or becasue Peyton is a choke artist like some in the media suggest thats why I don’t like the argument of he has more rings then this guys so therefore he’s better which is used so commonly and I think it’s a very lazy way of anaylzing comparable players when there is so much more to it. It’s not like football is cut and dry like Tennis or Golf were you can compare individual championships to decide who’s better there is much more too it. If someone is going to tell me Brady is better than Peyton I want to here more than well he won more SB’s, I’m not saying you can’t make a valid argument for Brady you sure as hell can but don’t give me the rings thing break it down some more.

by Landeta on Feb 10, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with the last point, because the biggest example is Ben Roethlisberger. It seems like every year the media makes the super bowl winning QB the greatest ever. In 2007 they were crowning Brady as the best ever before the super bowl!! Last year, they’re calling Big Ben a top 3 QB with the chance to be one of the all time greats. Sorry but Big Ben was terrible in his 1st super bowl and deserved to lose that game and more importantly, he is far from an all time great.

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea I like Ben a lot

but I’m not ready to put him in the HOF just yet. I remember last year I was saying I thought Drew Brees was a top 3 QB and people were like now way Ben has two SB’s what has Brees done other than put up stats. I reminded a lot of them of this during this season and especailly now. But that’s a good point you make Brees and the Saints were 8-8 last year while Ben and the Steelers won a SB so people make the assumption Ben is better based on that fact alone. I like the fact that this year the Super Bowl winning QB will get some long overdue respect.

by Landeta on Feb 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya but I still was suprised after the super bowl to hear in a couple of place the question
“So now do you put Drew Brees in that category of elite quarterbacks??”

Really….you wait til now to consider him an elite quarterback?? That’s just a dumb question. What if tennessee ties it up on that play where they were one yard short and end up winning that game?? Does that mean Kurt warner is not elite, is not up for hall of fame after going to teh super bowl 3 times?

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yea Kurt Warner is not elite and Steve McNair is

if the Titans tied up that game. It’s wierd too Peyton Manning throws for 300 + yards in this years super Bowl but throws a pick six when his team is moving the ball that cost them the game and he’s a chocker Kurt Warner throws for 300 + yards in last years Super Bowl and throws a pick six when his team is 5 yards away from a TD that ends up being the difference in the game yet he was “heroic” in last years game. It makes zero sense to me how the media analysis these guys.

by Landeta on Feb 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wanted to add something, this year his D was average but Brady was suspect in the 4th quarter. He could’ve won them the Denver, Indy, NYJ, Miami, Hou games with one good drive in the 4th quarter and he didn’t deliver. That was the difference in the rest of his career, he could deliver when his D slacked but he didn’t do it this year and I blame alot of losses on him. I’m hoping it’s his first year back from that injury and he gets back to being himself late in games.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats won 14 2 straight years because of Brady.

Well Manning doesn’t have monster post season numbers either, far from it. Colts defenses haven’t been “terrible”, I mean in a cover 2 the most important thing is quick pressure from your front 4. Dwight Freeney since 2002 has the most sacks in the league. Unless Cover 2 is a flawed concept, the Colts defense should be excelling every year because of Freeney and Mathis.

Moss is better than Harrison, but Peyton had MArvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.

Brady would also have monster numbers with those wide receivers and if he played in a dome his entire career. Careful don’t go near GOAT with either one of these guys YET. let’s wait and see how they finish up their career.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a Saints Fan and Manning Fan

I know WHY Peyton didn’t go and greet Brees, and I respect people who hate losing to that degree.

But it wasn’t his moment to go and sulk; he should have sucked it up and gone over and congratulated his personal and family friend Drew Brees on his historic victory.

I was a little disappointed in Peyton. But I know that he didn’t particularly SNUB the Saints, like Belichick did to the Giants, so I still love him even though I thought he was unusually lacking for grace that night. I’ll bet Archie had something to say to him about that.

by DrZin on Feb 10, 2010 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

Belichick shook coughlin’s hands!!, then they put more time on the clock and Belichick’s like screw it. I mean he has an ego and sucked it up once, I don’t blame him for not doing it twice.

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah!

And while he was at it maybe he could have held Drew’s hand on stage while they were presented the trophy!!

Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!

by coltsfan723 on Feb 10, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright . . .

. . . I guess it’s NOT customary to go over and congratulate the opposing QB, particularly for a historic photo-op in a big game; running straight to the locker room is the preferred course.

Look, I LOVE Peyton Manning, but that was bullsh*t. You think Brees would have done that to him? Please don’t bait me into an extended criticism of Peyton, because for one, he’s awesome; and for two, anybody with any objective sense of decency would say that he f****d up.

by DrZin on Feb 10, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dude

if all you want was a damn photo from it, I’m sure someone here could photo shop one up for you. I mean damn…their was a stage being set up and celebrating goin on…Peyton’s not gonna interrupt that. Its asinine to think that. He text Brees later that night and they talked. Why don’t we worry about bigger issues in the NFL, like hmmm, I don’t know the lock out. Instead we are bitching about a hand shake….Gimme a fucking break.

Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!

by coltsfan723 on Feb 10, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Peyton’s not gonna interrupt that. Its asinine to think that.

OK, so now it’s “asinine” to expect something that is the customary, grown-up, manly thing to do.

Why don’t we worry about bigger issues? Well, we certainly can do that, but I thought since the thread’s very headline posits “predictable mock outrage over Manning not shaking hands,” that that’s what we would be discussing. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

But anyway, it’s not “outrage,” at least on my part, but it is genuine. Peyton acted childishly, as are you with your persistent “asinine” defense of his regrettable actions.

Anyway, I’ll see you later; I’ve got to go talk about the NFL lockout with someone.

by DrZin on Feb 11, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i didn’t think it was that customary for the QB to shake hands. The custom is more about the Head Coaches.

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a tough one for me

I have definitely criticized others for not congratulating the opposing team after a loss. I stood happily on my high moral ground because I had never seen MY QB do the same thing. Now I’m just a little unsure. On the one hand, I would have appreciated that Manning at least TRY to find Brees in the crowd. On the other, I could see that it would have been downright impossible for him to be sincere in his congratulations immediately after the loss. Hell, I’m still hurting from the loss and I’m just a fan from distant California! And then there are the physical obstacles – fans, media, stage hands – that prevented anyone from moving toward the team. And it was the Saints’ time to be in the spotlight. It’s hard to know which of these are lame excuses and which are valid.

I have to just revert to being comfortable that after he cooled off, Manning DID reach out to Brees (and fairly quickly, as acknowledged by Brees himself) and that his message was probably sincere. I also suspect that they will find each other in person during the offseason, out of the media spotlight, to catch up – much was made of the relationship between their families.

I still won’t appreciate any coach or player giving a perfunctory handshake or obviously snubbing the opposition (especially BEFORE a game), but will probably be less critical of someone who walks away after a heartbreaking loss.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 10, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He was pissed off about losing the Super Bowl

He, like most human beings, isn’t happy if he loses.

"How could you?! Haven’t you learned anything from that guy who gives those sermons at church? Captain Whatshisname? We live in a society of laws! Why do you think I took you to all those Police Academy movies? For FUN?! Well, I didn’t hear anybody laughing, did you?! Except at that guy who made sound effects. *Laughs* Where was I?"

by Ram27 on Feb 10, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

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Philadelphia Eagles head coack Andy Reid, left, talks with wide receiver DeSean Jackson during the morning session of NFL football training camp at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pa. on Saturday, July, 31, 2010. (AP Photo/Rich Schultz)

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