Results of Mocking the Draft's LIVE Mock Draft
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST
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Over at Mocking the Draft, SB Nation's NFL Draft blog, an uber mock draft is taking place today organized by Stampede Blue regular TheAngelsColts and other SB Nation regulars like JP 23, a Dolphins fan. The Mock has, so far, gone into Round Two, but Round One was not without some intrigue.
Stampede Blue editor Joe Baker (aka shake n bake) made a trade with Mr MaLoR, who was drafting for the Ravens, sending the Colts' 31st and 94th picks to the Ravens for their 25th and 152nd picks. Armed with the 25th overall pick, Joe selected USC tackle Charles Brown.
Nice move there, Joe.
Some notable selections in the mock draft are:
- The Rams taking Ndamukong Suh first overall.
- Sam Bradford went #9 overall to the Bills.
- C.J. Spiller went 10th overall to the Jaguars (sort of a head-scratcher there)
- They are currently deep into the Second Round, and Tim Tebow has not been drafted
Special thanks should go to the people at MtD who organized this massive mock: TheAngelsColts, JP 23, Joe Baker, Quincyyyyy, and others. Outstanding job putting this thing all together, and thanks to Mocking Dan for promoting it.
Now the question is, did Joe make the right move with the trade and selection? I personally think it was good. What about you? Vote in the poll.
Round One of the MtD Mock Draft
Round Two of the MtD Mock Draft
Shake Update: The 2nd round is in the books and the Colts pick at #63 is Clemson edge rusher Ricky Sapp. Sapp is undersized, but can really get after the quarterback. He has a serious chance to go in the late 1st or early 2nd to some 3-4 team in need of a pass rush. In the late 2nd he's too much value to pass up as an insurance policy for and possible successor to Freeney and/or Mathis.
The draft will continue with the 3rd and 4th rounds next weekend.
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by BlueKrew on Mar 13, 2010 5:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mocking Dan has the site yes but didn't help organize it. Was kind enough to promote it though.
Joe really did help us run it today, JP, ME, and a Quincyyyyy ( Blogging the boys) helped organize this to run as it did. Just thought maybe you should put Quincyyyyy in there as someone who helped.
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Thanks I have done a lot of work on it :). lets say the past few months and this is the best one so far.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 13, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Can't say I'm sold on this one.
Trading up, I could see that. I have serious doubts that Brown is the guy we’d target, considering the current philosophy on linemen. Or was taking who you the front office will take not the point?
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
Getting the picks exactly right isn't the goal.
the way I saw it was to improve the team as best you could. I think Brown is a major step to that. Brown’s a great pass blocker and shouldn’t be any worse to start off run blocking than CJ. Then the Colts have CJ, Diem and Terry (in whatever arrangement it sorts out in) for RT, RG and backup OT.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I moved up for Brown because a lot of teams ahead of me were looking to move back
and the Seahawks had yet to pick up a OT, which they desperately needed. Last time we did this the Seahawks traded up into the spot ahead of me and took Brown.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a little surprised that the guy picking for Seattle didn't take Brown
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
yeah, though Clausen at 6 and Derrick Morgan at 14 aren't bad picks by any measure
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's just mean.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
How do we know the philosophy on linemen has changed?
Words by Lilja’s agent? Sorry, that doesn’t count.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 13, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
look at the recent signings of Alleman and Terry
much bigger than what we are used to
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
Terry is about as big as we've seen in Indy
but Alleman isn’t that big. 6’4" 310 isn’t huge my any means, especially with a rep for being athletic, but underpowered. Alleman is pretty much just a larger framed version of the same style of lineman.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Outside of Diem and Thomas anything abouve 305 is getting bigger.
Tony Ugoh 301
Jamey Richard 295
Jeff Saturday 295
Mike Pollak 301
Charlie Johnson 305
These guys are on the small side for O-lineman in the NFL
Defense is more important than breathing.
yeah, Alleman is an average sized guy that plays small
to go with the small guys that play small
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
The o-line is getting bigger
signings in last two years:
Andy Alleman 310
Gerald Cadogan 314
Jaimie Thomas 330
Adam Terry 335
Defense is more important than breathing.
And they have played how many downs for the Colts?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of them weren't even on the roster this year, give them some time.
Thomas was a 7th round draft pick last year. Alleman, Cadogan and Terry were just signed A couple of these guys are going to be given chances to contribute next year. When they draft o-lineman this year they will all be larger than 310, hopefully have long arms.
Defense is more important than breathing.
As I have said
I have to see it before I’m falling for the getting bigger premise.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a matter of "falling" for anything.
The fact that we cut Terrance Taylor last year doesn’t refute the notion that we wanted to get bigger on the defensive line. If you’re trying to accomplish a material goal (such as being able to open holes in power-running situations), you have to “flex” your personnel accordingly, n’est-ce pas? We, as fans, are making observations about player acquisitions and dismissals based on some plainly candid statements made by our team president.
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
We also cut Ed Johnson for being too big
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 15, 2010 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm... are you sure?
I remember reading that it was due to lack of effort.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
It was due to him not controlling his weight.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Yeah, i remember now
The complaint was that he wasn’t working hard enough to stay in shape.. overweight and slow.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
He said that he was trying,
but it was just impossible. I don’t believe him for a second.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
You are obviously falling for it.
I have learned to take everything Polian says with a grain of salt. If he always spoke the whole truth on everything team related we would have drafted a WR in the first round last year.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 15, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Falling for what?
In 09 the Colts started two DT’s at 300lbs, that hasn’t happend since the Jim Mora days. No “falling for it” it’s a fact, for 7 years they started one Dt close to 300lbs and one ranging anywhere form 255 to 280. This year they get new coaches and start two DT’s at 300, that’s getting bigger. No smoke screen just plane old observation.
Defense is more important than breathing.
The bulk up though.
That’s all rookie measurement.
They seem like camp fodder to me
Before I have seen them stay on the roster and play actual games, I don’t see it.
Remember drafting Taylor last year and proving we were going bigger – just to start the same line up as the year before in the season.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Listed DT starters for 2008, Foster was the starting NT 265lbs Dawson starting UT 255lbs
Listed Starting DT’s for 2009, Johnson starting NT 310lbs, Muir starting UT 312lbs
The starting DT’s got bigger despite Taylor not making it and Moala not contributing they still got bigger than 08. The fact the Poilan even darfted two DT’s weighing 300 lbs shows that there was a change in philosophy.
Defense is more important than breathing.
Johnson started last year.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No Foster started most the year at NT
From BBS
Foster continued playing much of the year as the starting NT, with newly-signed second year DTs Antonio Johnson and Daniel Muir backing him up
Even when Mookie did start he was pulled and for Foster on Passing downs. Dawson was used as a 3 down UT.
Defense is more important than breathing.
2008 was a fluke in DT size
two guys that where suppose to be situational players got forced into the starting lineup by the loss of Ed Johnson and Quinn Pitcock. Going to Muir and Mookie wasn’t a change in philosophy about size, it was a return to normalcy at DT.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
moving 255lbs Dawson to UT was not at fluke
He was going to be seeing alot of time as starting UT whether Ed and Quin were playing or not.
Just the fact that they moved dawson back to DE, could be seen as wanted to get bigger.
Defense is more important than breathing.
Dawson was only moved inside
because of our injured DTs in 2007 in the first place.
He would have been moved inside again, if Meeks hadn’t taken the DT curse with him to Carolina.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 15, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No, He was moved inside at training camp his rookie year.
It had nothing to do with injuries, he was moved there because Meeks and Dungy liked small UT’s. He got to start 4 games, because of injuries, but he was already playing DT.
Defense is more important than breathing.
And this off season we have signed a 280 lbs DT and a 245 lbs DE
And cut a 274 lbs DE.
I guess that means we have already abandoned the “getting bigger” philosophy on defense, right?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We also signed another 255 lbs DE.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not one of my posts mention DE, so I'll ignore your DE rebutle.
As far as signing Mitch king as a DT he is bigger than Brock who also played some DT, he;s much bigger than Foster or Dawson, former starting DT’s
and once again Polian stated that they wanted to get bigger in the middle (DT) of the defensive line.
Defense is more important than breathing.
There have been several clues to the philosophy changes
Actually there have been a few philosophy changes, since the new coaches took over, getting bigger up front on both offense and defense.
Defense is easy, besides Polian coming out and saying they wanted to get bigger on the D-line. They had the same personnel on the d-line, but moved two 300+ pounders to the starting DT position and moved Dawson and Foster to the bench. Result the change a bigger line and better against the run which actually made them better against the pass because stopping the run sets up more typical passing situations.
Offense line is getting bigger – A couple of years ago Polian drafted players to play OG, they picked up three players all centers and all 290 to 300lbs. Last year Polian picked up one OG in the draft and one as a UDFA both 330 lbs, the first time they moved away from the norm and showed a change in philosophy. Since then they have signed Alleman, Terry and Gerald Cadogan, all are larger than the norm; it’s safe to say that the Colts are getting bigger on the O-line; result, we’ll see next fall.
Since I’m on it, the last change in philosophy I have noticed is a change at CB. Drafting Powers and signing Lacey was a break in the norm, both smaller and faster than typical cover 2 corners. Both guys can play man or zone, allowing the front seven to do more blitzing. When they draft a CB this year he too will have a 40 time in the low 4.4’sor high 4.3’s. The other clue is Larry Coyer when he was the Defensive Coordinator for Denver they had a couple of great cover CB’s and did a lot of blitzing. The longer he is here the more blitzing were going to see. Right now the Colts have 3 CB’s that can man coverage or zone, they will add another in the draft. The result picking up Haden and Lacey were increase in blitzes and a less predictable front seven.
Defense is more important than breathing.
no CB ran better than 4.5 at the combine, so you might have to shift those numbers.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Powers ran a 4.39 at his pro day
Jacob Lacey ran a 4.41 at his pro day
I didn’t use the combine times form last year because most times seemed slow
Defense is more important than breathing.
last years combined times seems slow accross the board not just for
Powes and Lacey, but for most the participants.
Defense is more important than breathing.
O-line shift
I think the shift is in preparation for the backside of Peyton’s career. When Elway won two super bowls at the back of his career, it was with a great running game. I think the front office is preparing for the final years of Peyton’s career by getting a good O-line and running game going.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Mar 14, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I voted for Tim Tebow
because I DO enjoy having sex with Tim Tebow
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
I voted for Tim Tebow
… Oh wait, I didn’t!
Movie Quote of the Week: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?!?"
did you hear what happened to the kid he tried to circumsize
in Thailand? Suffice it to say, the he is now a she – has to squat to pee. So anybody thinking of taking him for a H-back or TE needs to question his hands.
Reptiles, *PLURAL*???
You pervert!
Everyone knows that reptile monogamy is the nice, clean way to go.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Can I have my vote back....
… because the thought of having two Komodo dragons at once is really starting to turn me on. 
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Watch out...
Komodo Dragons have hemipenes, which means they have TWO.
by Richard Hill on Mar 14, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, there's a "Double Your Pleasure" joke somewhere in there, but I can't quite put my finger on it...
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I think that is it.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
If there are Komodo dragons around,
be careful where you put your finger!
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
Wooo look at that plurality who are all about my move there.
go me.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Nice use of plurality.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Alternate possibility
Maybe this is a little off topic, since the thread’s about a specific Mock, but I’ll ask it here anyway: If Brown isn’t available in the first round, what do people think about taking Rodger Saffold in the second? No, I haven’t thought through who they should take as an alternate choice in the first, plus I’m not sure Saffold would be proper value that high. I’m simply thinking my way through how Indy would address the tackle situation. Any opinions?
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Saffold probably won't even be around by the time the Colts pick in the 2nd
but if they don’t get a LT in the 1st I’d be almost as happy with Saffold in the 2nd.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
what if
All the other tackles are gone, and you are very certain Saffold isn’t there for you in the second? Is that too much of a reach?
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
by Bullard47 on Mar 14, 2010 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
there would almost certainly be someone else that I think would be more appropriate value
at an upgradable position.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 14, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
i didn't have a side there
And I know Bill will take BPA, but it would be interested with what is apparently viewed as an area of need if that wouldn’t affect the Colts board.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
by Bullard47 on Mar 14, 2010 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would try to get a trade
To pick up Saffold in the first half of the 2nd round.
But Polian’s draft board isn’t similar to all the boards on the interwebz. He might have Saffold ranked higher if he has seen something he really likes and take him in the first (like he did with Brown last year).
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Im ok with this move
im neutral about this. On one hand we get a tackle that could possibly be a franchise LT. Then again, this guy doesnt seem to offer much in terms of run support and that has been the problem with CJ as well. He may provide better pass blocking, but that wont fix the problem.
Bruce Campbell
If Polian is indeed wanting to go bigger, i can see him possibly going for Bruce Campbell from Maryland if he’s still on the board. I mean if he wants size have you seen that guy?
my guess is that Al Davis
will scoop up Campbell if he’s still there at #8… did you see his Combine performance?!?! lol
How can you not love a team that does this?
That's funny. I'm making the same prediction.
Good ole Zombieman loves those freak athletes. If there was any justice for Oakland fans (and I do mean for them as a whole, and not the individual justice that gets served up by the courts after every tailgating escapade in Oakland’s parking lots ), Al Davis would turn his franchise over to some modern management and hire out to the US Olympics management to help them pick track runners. That he can do like no one else.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
yea but
he was still on the board surely if he’s on the board polian will pick him. he’s got the frame of about two tight ends i didnt see much body fat on him either lol!. i’m praying he’ll be there at pick 31 but who knows.
LOL at this option
I’m an ass and I say he should have take Tebow at 31; Go Gators! I like having sex with reptiles!
Insert Clever Statement Here
That sure tells you how BBS feels about Tebow.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
The problem with Charles Brown is...
that if the Colts are now trending towards a bigger OL, Brown does not really fit the mold considering a month or two ago he was only 285lbs.
Yes, true, but "Best Player Available" may be the overriding consideration here
Brown may not have the heft, but if he’s good at pass protection, and another available tackle is bigger but worse at that, then simply going bigger is the wrong way to go. The question, of course, would be who’s available at that point. If, for example, Bulaga somehow makes it down that far, I’m hard pressed to accept choosing Brown over him. But if Brown is the only decently valued tackle at that point, then almost certainly they’ll look at other players at the same time and then make their judgement. If he’s the best value at that point, regardless of size and position, then there’s no use going “Oh, he’s not big enough” because he’ll still have the potential to be a good pro. “Best Player Available” is just that: The best one left.
Let’s remember that nobody’s complaining about Okung’s weight or disputing that he’s a very high-picked prospect. Yet he’s what, 4 lbs heavier than Brown weighed in at? (307 compared to Brown’s 303)
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
the issue is a carry-over from before the weigh-in
because at U$C he played around 285lbs
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 15, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well... is there any reason to believe that the 303 weigh in he had was a fluke?
It does lower his grade to lose the necessary mass, but I sort of need evidence to accept the argument that he merely bulked up to raise his stock at the combine. Not saying that the notion is impossible, mind you. Just saying that I’d like something more tangible before accepting it as an argument for concern. Once football is his full-time job, he can concentrate on keeping mass on.
And heaven knows how much mass I packed on after graduation… 
. Anecdotally, my experience is that it’s not the keeping of such that’s difficult. 
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
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