Javier Arenas...
by James M on Mar 14, 2010 11:16 PM EDT
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I think teams are going to stop trying to pound the ball on us, and spread us out more after the Super Bowl. Therefore, we are going to need to add more depth in the secondary.
I just can't help but think that Javier Arenas could really help us, next year. I really think this guy can come in and do so much for our defense, and be a significant upgrade in the punt return game. I think Arenas can be outstanding as the nickel back, he's physical and tackles well, his game fits our zone scheme, and you know he has an excellent defensive IQ coming from Saban's system. The knocks on him are his speed and ability to handle larger receivers; however, he is extremely quick, and most slot guys are small and quick, so he would match up very well. The guy is a play maker, and with his high IQ I could see him jumping a couple of those quick routes people like to use against us, because they are scared to take a deep drop with Freeney and Mathis coming.
He's projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round, and I would love to see the Colts draft this guy.
What does everyone else think?
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If I were you...
…I wouldn’t worry so much. When are you ever going to face a team again with that much receiver depth? The thing with the ‘07 Patriots, ’08 Cardinals and ’09 Saints is that their receiving core won’t stick together. When you have 5 receivers who could be top 3 on almost any other team, they’re bound to chase money in the off-season.
So while you may be facing this team late in the season, are you willing to utilize an early pick on a player who won’t really be utilized until late, if ever? Or will you pick a player early who can contribute for the entire season?
Arenas is also a returner
I’d love him in the 3rd to play in the dime and return for us.
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by shake n bake on Mar 14, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I thought he was famous for his return skills.
Seems like he is actually a good corner too.
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by BlueMark1821 on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much the receivers depth
Ad it is our secondary always getting crippled by injuries. We need good depth.
And yes, I would totally take a player that could help us late in the season. That is where we have problems, not early in the season.
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by gizzardfanny on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
DO NOT WANT
He is a return specialist but a very average corner. I think he would have trouble displacing Lacey as the third corner. In the 3rd round there will be far better value if you are looking for a nickle corner. Amari Spievey or Brandon Ghee figure to be much better options available around that same draft slot.
Thirded
There is no, I repeat no, reason to use a third round pick on a returner. You can get a good returner later in the draft. Arenas will likely be an average corner, which is great if we’re looking for a new Tim Jennings. I’d much rather get Spievey or Ghee than Arenas.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Mar 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think more of Spievey and possibly Ghee
may be more of late 2nd rounders/early 3rd rounders (so I read). But yea, I would want these players more than Arenas for the possible nickel spot. But I read that Ghee gives way too much cushion on receivers which is something I didn’t like. In that case, wouldn’t he fit well the D? (sarcastic). Not sure if anyone who say him play could verify this.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Arenas...
Is not Tim Jennings. I just think he could improve our physical play in the slot. I agree they shouldn’t use a third on a returner, that’s why I think Arenas would be a good fit with his ability to play the slot and keep Hayden, Lacey, and Powers on the outside.
3rd round at best
Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd round. Arenas is an average corner and an above average returner but he is no Devin Hester. Joshua Cribbs was a late round selection. . we don’t need to reach for a kick returner – we just need to draft a good one!
Hester was a pure returner though. He didn't have a position
Arenas could be a very good zone CB.
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by shake n bake on Mar 15, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not excited by undersized DB's
The novelty of short CB’s has worn off. Jason David and Tim Jennings were just too small to man up in the short zone and I think Arenas will have the same problem. Whoever gets the slot job will have help over the top, but when you absolutely can not break up a 5-10 yard pass on a 6’2’’++ receiver and have to hope for an missed throw, the can yards start adding up and it can really neutralize the D-Line. Winfield is the only corner under 5’10’’ I can think of in the last several years who has gone to the Pro Bowl.
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by StanfordColtsFan on Mar 18, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
Powers is 5'9", and Lacey 5'10"
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by shake n bake on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that it really matters, but
yes on NFL.com, that’s how they’re listed, but it’s not what Colts.com or any of the other sites list them as (5’10" and 5’10"-5’11" respectively). Furthermore Hayden is 6’0" and Bethea is 5’11". So is your point that there are Colts DB’s that are below optimal height? Because yes there are, and I respect how both of them play. But, having seen how our defense matches up against good passing offenses in this league over the last several years, I think that that 3rd and 4th CB spot, when we go that way, should not be a short CB. And if were looking for someone who has the potential to be great in this league, that potential is significantly lessened when a guy is under 5’10" at the CB position. In order to keep the bigger receivers from beating them over the top, short CB’s have to give way too much cushion, which in a zone allows the opposition to get free 10 yard throws instead of free 5 yard throws, builds their rhythm, etc., etc.
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"Black athletes who say 'practice hard and one day you can be just like me' are playing games with the future of black America."
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by StanfordColtsFan on Mar 18, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Hm... StanfordColtsFan
and one who quotes Harry Edwards… you and I may have some interesting exchanges if you hang around :-)
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