So, I'm going to assume you are happy Tim Jennings signed with the Bears
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 17, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
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Than man everyone loved to hate is gone. Tim Jennings, who was seemingly blamed for every Colts loss from 2006-2009, signed with Lovie Smith's Chicago Bears. While there is no guarantee that Jennings will stay in Chicago, the fact that another Tony Dungy disciple is taking a shot at him tells me that Jennings is not a "bad" as people here claim he is.
And, again, this all goes back to my own personal definition of "bad." Bad corner play is David Macklin. Bad corner play is Jason David his rookie year. Bad corner play is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in the Week Three of the 2009 season against the Colts.
I mean seriously, you ever see a player do to Jennings what Pierre Garçon did to Rodgers-Cromartie that game?
For all the complaining people did that Jennings "gave too much cushion," I don't recall any instances where we saw him get run over, beat deep, embarrassed, or "toasted" for a long TD. He played Tampa-2 corner the way he was coached: Keep everything in front of you. He seemed to play hard every game and didn't back down when coaches would (stupidly) match him up with 6'3 wide receivers. He was also a good special teams player.
For a second round pick, Jennings was indeed a bust. However, it's not like the Colts passed up HUGE talent by picking him. Players like Tony Scheffler, Greg Jennings, and Maurice Jones-Drew were selected just a few picks before the Colts at #62. After #62, the only guys worth noting are Dusty Dvoracek, Eric Winston, and Jerious Norwood. None of those guys have really lit the NFL on fire. It wasn't until Round Four of that draft that you saw players like Owen Daniels, Leon Washington, and Elvis Dumervil.
So, while I am sure many of you have nothing but poison in your heart for Tim Jennings, I personally think he was a decent corner who did his job. I'm not going out and buying his jersey or anything, but I don't equate him to some of the more horrible players that have walked through this franchise.
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He was a good corner
n that he never got beat deep. If it was like 3 and 10+ than he was pretty good. But if it was 3rd and 5, 3rd and 7; it was pretty much guaranteed to be a first down. (See the Miami game, Broncos game, Superbowl XLIV)
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by P0RKINS2 on Mar 17, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
^THIS
I mean, he didn’t get beat deep because of the cushion. But the consistent first downs, to me, were worse. At least if he got beat deep Peyton would have more time to score. Those 6, 7, 8 yard first downs just ate up the clock. I don’t hate him but that was sure annoying.
I wish him the best of luck in Chicago.
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Corner?
You can’t be serious? The reason he didn’t get beat deep is because he played a 5-7 yard cushion. Plus, just because a Corner doesn’t get beat deep…that doesn’t make him good.
Exactly.
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Everybody rode Jennings!!
He took the place of Morris!! My question…who will be the next?
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No
Jennings didn’t take Morris’s place, Morris was a Line backer, Jennings was a Corner back. Same with Wheeler, Wheeler is a Line backer. NOT Corner back.
they are taking about the fan whipping boy position
not their defensive position
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by shake n bake on Mar 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably Chad Simpson
even though Rushing was a worse punt returner than Simpson was a bad kick returner. Dawson was pretty horible DT/DE, but these guys haven’t drawn the negative emotions that Jennings and Simpson.
Defense is more important than breathing.
Simpson for me.
He really needs to redeem himself after the SB. Why he did not take a knee is beyond me.
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He wanted to get to the 20 himself.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Rushing was at least good in the past
he has an excuse (ACL)
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by shake n bake on Mar 17, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would retain Simpson at RB
but not as KR. His 17-yard TD against the Texans sticks out in my mind… maybe it was only a flash, but he showed capability in that play.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Not to me
That Texans team was just trying to strip the ball. No one even made an attempt to tackle. Chad Simpson doesn’t fumble. That’s the only thing good he does. I’d rather just go with three backs in Addai, Brown, and Hart and get Banks, Arenas, or Holliday to return kicks.
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by Colts Homer on Mar 17, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That works for me.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
I agree with this.
Muhfucka is fast. There are far worse options in the world at 3rd/4th-string RB.
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4th please
Keep hoping to see Hart listed above Simpson on the Depth Chart
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Rob Morris wasn't bad or anything.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
End zone defense
You cannot play off the man whatsoever in end zone defense. His height was a disadvantage and he gave up passing TDs to the likes of Randy Moss (2007 & 2009 games), Brandon Marshall this year and of course all the completions in several games (2008 Titans game where Kerry Collins ate him alive on 3rd down, 2008 Packers game with all those penalties and 3rd down completions, 2009 Miami Dolphins game etc.
Oh lord.
And here I’d put the 2008 Packers game out of my mind. Thanks for the reminder. ugh (lol)
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That was such a fuuuuuuuuuuuuun game.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Norwood would be pretty nice in that spot
at worst he’d be a massive upgrade from Chad Simpson.
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BBS good insight, I agree with you 100%
Nice post. I think he caught way too much crap.
Defense is more important than breathing.
"Not giving up deep touchdowns"
Hey, we did have that quarterback. He never completed a pass but at least he didn’t punch the running back in the face and throw the ball backwards.
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LOL.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
don't over look tim jennings greatest skill
Staying on the field. Guy never got hurt, which in the Colts secondary is a massive achievement.
I never minded when Jennings played the dime position, it was just all the injuries kept bouncing him into the starting rotation.
Wouldn't that be another negative for Jennings?
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by Colts Homer on Mar 17, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Value vs. Ability
BBS-
I completely agree with you that Jennings was not a terrible cornerback, when put in the right situation. If he had to start against an outside receiver it was a complete mismatch in favor of the other team. However, in the Dime and some Nickel situations, he was pretty serviceable.
My problem with him was a) He was a constant target for teams that wanted to keep the ball out of Manning’s hands; b) We took him in the second round. I think above all, the fact that he was such an early draft pick is the reason why the fans like to blame him. We expect him to be more than just a situational corner. Look no further that Jerraud Powers for the type of effort/value that we want to get out of a player. There you have a 3rd rounder who started as a rookie on the outside and had a huge year. Along with Freeney, I honestly think that Powers’ injury was a significant reason why the defense could not stop the Saints. When you have a guy like Jennings who stays relatively healthy but can’t step up and play big when guys like Powers are hampered, then it’s necessary to get rid of him, especially when the team in question has a philosophy that expressly requires players to step up when others get hurt.
I would not have minded seeing him stay around...
provided he saw nothing but dime defense!
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by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Mar 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
When every other corner on the team is a walking injury
That’s not going to happen.
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by Colts Homer on Mar 17, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That is true...
I see us picking up another couple of CBs this year. Were Lacey and Jennings the only ones not hurt this year?
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by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Mar 17, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Hayden is really injury prone and Powers had foot problems. I’m hoping for a late round pick or a free agent signing.
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by Colts Homer on Mar 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He was bad and his cushion gave the other team more time on their drives
I’m glad he left the Colts (it was pure frustration watching 1st down and then 1st down and then again 1ST DOWN on Jennings side), but I wish him luck wherever he ends up.
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I agree...
Glad he’s not our problem but I don’t wish the dude was dead or whatever. Any QB would salivate seeing him lined up against a WR on a 3rd and manageable…
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The reason why you never saw Jennings get beat deep? is becuase he played a ten yard cushion!!! duh!!! Jennings was horrible on 3rd downs. Stupidly got matched up with a 6"3" wr huh? maybe becuase we didn’t have many other options? As I recall, our secondary was banged up for a good part of last season. Jennings had 2 rookies out play him all season, explain that? Every Colts player plays hard, some just can’t get the job done. Jennings was a good special teams player? Yep, he was, therefore that’s his calling in the NFL, NOT cb.
I just kinda figured that with his cushion, he was playing in Chicago anyway.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Mar 17, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
If Chicago coaches him the same way he was coached here,
he’ll end up playing in Ontario!
poor guy… you ever been to Ontario? It’s FREEZING up there! ;)
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Dont blame Chad Simpson...
In all the games that Simpson plays, he plays hard and he did run well and very strong. He should have been allowed to run that 3/1 route in SB XLIV. He could have bursted for that 1 yard. I agree with LovinBlue, Chad Simpson should be given more chances at RB instead of KR. Besides that long touchdown Vs Texans, he had several LONG runs the same game. Don’t tell me everybody was just trying to “strip” his ball every time he runs…..
One thing to remember about Jennings,
We did get to the Super Bowl with him.
My new whipping boy was going to be Hank Baskett, but he’s gone now so there goes that.
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Wonder who the next 'boy' will be...
Maybe we should have a mock… :)
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Great idea!
I vote for Diem.
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by gizzardfanny on Mar 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a winner
to me!
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Diem will be gone by the end of this year
If Adam Terry can show he can play RT in training camp, I have a feeling we cut Diem right after training camp and absorb the cap hit on his salary in an uncapped year. Diem is not athletic enough to pull like a guard anymore, his versatility is reduced since he can only play RT for us, Adam Terry has years on him and costs less too.
One Ryan is gone (Ryan Lilja), another Ryan will follow soon (Ryan Diem). I’d say re-sign Peyton with a 5 year extension for $100 mil. and give him a $40 mil. signing bonus, most of the bonus in this uncapped year, and get Peyton’s contract over with. Cutting Brock and Diem would save them enough moving forward that Peyton’s contract won’t hurt us if the cap were to return.
Ugoh's still on the roster, and you guys are debating the next goat?
Seriously? I figured he was heir apparent.
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I was thinking Ugoh,
but then I started wondering if he would start any games. I need a consistent whipping boy. lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah. Good point. Hard for him to be the goat when he's inactive.
“Hmm… non-injured scratch again… hmm…”
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Yeah, but consider that he was basically a first-round pick,
and he’s riding the bench. I’d say that’s a pretty strong basis upon which to become the object of our collective scorn.
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I would agree with the scorn.
But it’s hard to blame a loss on him when he’s riding said pine.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah... too slow... ...what she said...
… * Mutter *, * grumble *, I got beat to the punch, * bitching *, * whining *…
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This is true, but for the sake of this subtopic, I have to distinguish between "whipping boy" and "bust"
We dissed on Jennings for allowing first downs due to his cushion (you all have read my caveat that at least he could make the damn tackle once when he finally got there, yadda yadda, so there was some good to his play, but ultimately it doesn’t erase the cushion). So the ire is from what we were able to see in a game. That makes it hard to dis Ugoh’s play since he’s not even on the field and therefore not giving us anything during the telecasts to bitch about. Yes, he’s definitely a target of collective scorn, but at the same time it’s hard to make him out to be a whipping boy on game days. We don’t get to actually witness the problems that stick him on the bench.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I dunno,
I guess I don’t really differentiate between the two. Jennings was only on the field because he had to be, ultimately, because of the injuries. Ostensibly Ugoh could have been the same figure, but because we didn’t have the same injury situation on the line as we did in the secondary, Ugoh sat.
I don’t really dislike either guy, for the record. Both were drafted ahead of where they should have been, and that’s a fault of neither. Ugoh could still be a solid contributor at some point; Jennings, while he didn’t get the job done most times, worked his ass off to try the best he could, and really that’s all I’m comfortable with asking.
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I blame Diem much more than Ugoh
I still have hope that Ugoh can be teached to be useful.
Diem just sucks and gives us a huge cap hit.
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by gizzardfanny on Mar 18, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Works for me.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
Not to be "that guy," but
Wonder who the next ‘boy’ will be…
is probably not the best phraseology in a sport comprised mostly of young black men.
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well Rob Morris is one of the previous ones cited...
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by shake n bake on Mar 17, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I'm just lookin' out.
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Dude, really...
The topic was whipping boy.
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quit your race baiting
seriously, we’re talking about shitty pro football players.
Race baiting?
Ha, are you fucking kidding me?
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