Reggie Wayne wants another Super Bowl
Lots of fans want to blame Reggie Wayne for the Colts losing Super Bowl 44.
It's often just a natural reaction from a fanbase to blame someone for a loss rather than simply give the other team, you know, credit for winning it. And while Reggie Wayne did run a bad route on the Tracy Porter pick, it's not like the route was Randy Moss-like. It just wasn't "perfect," and Porter was smart enough to make the right read at the right time in the right conditions. If Wayne runs a better route and Porter does the exact same thing, we're talking a ten yard Colts gain and an eventual TD to tie the game. I mean, it's not like the Saints defense was stopping the Colts or anything.
So, when it is all said and done, blaming Reggie Wayne (who played hurt in the game, but did not use it as an excuse) is simple foolishness. It's on par with schmucks like this guy who blame Peyton Manning and call him a choker. You can't take people like that seriously, and you wonder if they even bother to actually watch the sports they are paid real money to comment on. You also wonder if their parents beat them as a kid because only someone with a serious brain ailment due to repeated blunt force trauma to the skull would still cling to the tired, pathetic notion that Peyton Manning "chokes" in big games.
Back to Reggie, when you sit back and really think about his career, Mr. Wayne is indeed a very unique player.
Go back across NFL history. Whenever there has been a great #1 receiver, the great teams usually have a #2 guy who is also talented. There was Swann and Stallworth; Rice and Taylor; Reed and Lofton. However, when that #1 guy leaves, very rarely, if EVER, does that #2 guy ascend and become a comparable #1 guy.
Reggie Wayne is the exception.
Even though he has won a Super Bowl and is well on his way to having a potential Hall of Fame career, he is still hungry enough to want to win more while, at the same time, tutor younger receivers that will one day replace him.
[Pierre] Garçon said, "Just about everything I know is because of Reggie. He’s the ideal leader."
As we head into the 2010 Draft, for the first time in about three years I am not hearing people scream that we need to take a receiver. Last year, with the departure of Marvin Harrison, we talked about the Colts making moves to draft Derrick Williams or possibly doing something to bring in former Patriots and Cowboys cast-off Terry Glenn. And then when Anthony Gonzalez went down in a heap in Week One, everyone was really freaking out because, according to the experts, we only had one legitimate wide receiver: Reggie Wayne.
Fast forward to late-January, where players like Garçon and Austin Collie are shredding great defenses like the Ravens and Jets, and you see that many experts are pretty friggin stupid.
Much of the credit for developing Indy's new receiving corps goes to Peyton Manning, but equally important is Reggie Wayne.
"He’s like the Godfather of our wide receiving crew," Garçon said of Wayne. "He’s been in the league for a while, and for any guy to play that long, he’s certainly doing something right."
With Hank Baskett jettisoned and Anthony Gonzalez healthy (he told us he was healthy during Super Bowl week), the Colts sport a rather potent group. In fact, it looks like Training Camp will feature yet another battle for who will start: Garçon v. Gonzo.
Last year, both Garçon and Collie battled for who would be the slot receiver. Collie won the job, but the open competition seemed to make both players better. We've seen this happen before (Antoine Bethea v. Mike Doss), which is why if any player states he "deserves" a starting job without having to earn it, cut him from the team immediately. Jobs are earned in the NFL, not entitled to. If Bill Polian brought a Derek Anderson onto this team, Peyton Manning would openly and actively compete with Anderson for the starting job. Consider that, and then factor in that if Peyton friggin Manning is willing to compete for his job, anyone should.
Back to the receivers, one key sub-plot of camp in 2010 is will Garçon retain his starting job? From a talent standpoint, he has more ability than Gonzo. In addition, Collie is a better slot receiver than Gonzo. This sort of makes the former first round pick out of Ohio State a bit of an odd duck on the roster. He is getting paid more than Garçon and Collie, yet right now I cannot see how he starts over either one of them.
Now, watch Bill Polian take a wide receiver in Round One even though we are entering the 2010 season with one of the strongest WR corps in the entire league.
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C'mon
Reggie didn’t cost you guys the superbowl…really?
I’d be blaming Hank Baskett for that botched catch on the kickoff
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by BearNecessities on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
We aren't saying he did.
That’s some other people that I don’t like.
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Wayne's the man
Anyone blaming him for the SB loss should be punched in the stomach.
VERY interesting battle for #2 next year. I like Garcon’s speed, but think Gonzo’s hands are better. Collie better be our slot receiver for the next 10 years!
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Gonzo is no slouch
Gonzo has the versatility that Collie does not, he can play the slot and outside. Garcon is big and fast enough to go across the field, from what I have seen. Gonzo and Garcon are our fastest WRs but Gonzo in the slot would be more dangerous than Collie for teams, IMO, because Gonzo is quicker to create more mismatches against teams that play their #3 nickel CB on him. I do think Gonzo has to be moved around to use his versatility. It should be (from left to right): Wayne, Gonzo, Garcon or Wayne, Collie, Gonzo. Of course, DC should line up in the slot all the time to keep Ds on their toes not knowing if he is going to stay back and block.
We should start running more out of 4 wideout formations, IMO, and Collie and Garcon, from what I have seen, are better run blockers than Wayne and Gonzo.
No, Gonzo is definitely not a slouch
He just isn’t quite as fast or big as PG. Collie really impressed me this year and IMO Gonzo still has something to prove…I guess that’s what happens when you miss the entire season due to injury. I think we all hope he comes back as good or better, but it’s hard to say at this point.
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There is no proof that he is slower than Garcon.
Their 40 times are both mid 4.4 (and both have high 4.3s as their fastest claimed times).
They are the exact same height, with Garcon being bulkier.
Most of this Gonzo has to prove something stuff is just us only remembering the most recent productivity. Garcon had about 100 more yards this year (on 7 less targets), than Gonzo did last year, but he only caught 50% of his targets. Gonzo caught 70%. That is huge.
Gonzo had more yards on less targets than Collie, and still had a higher caught targets %.
This is the big question
To me, the NFC has gotten much stronger with the Saints, Vikings, Packers and the NFC East always knocking on the door. The question is not if the Colts will make it to another SB, the question is if we will win it all beating a strong NFC team. I expect the Colts to be back in the big dance one of the next 2 years for sure.
Hey, as a tidbit for draft junkies, here is a list I put together:
Here is a list of players the Colts have expressed interest in, the Pro Days attended so far and the sources (this list will be augmented with poster contributions if I miss any):
Pro Days attended
Fordham (March 9, [url]www.kffl.com[/url]) – candidates from Fordham that I found were John Skelton, QB, 6’5", 245 (could this be Sorgi’s replacement and does that mean they do not like Painter’s progress?)
WR/KR
Donald Jones (Youngstown – March 16, [url]www.kffl.com[/url]),
Armanti Edwards (Appalachian State – March 17, [url]www.kffl.com[/url]),
Freddie Barnes (Bowling Green – March 17, [url]www.kffl.com[/url])
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OT – Jeff Linkenbach (Cincinnati – March 17, [url]www.kffl.com[/url])
LB
Vuna Tuihalamaka (Univ. of Arizona – March 17, [url]www.kffl.com[/url])
CB
Devin McCourty (Rutgers – March 16, [url]www.kffl.com[/url])
I think that Garcon/Collie/Gonzo will cycle in and out in the Slot and Flanker positions. For those quick 3-5 yard pickups, a Wayne/Gonzo/Collie corps ensures that you’ve got one guy deep (Reggie) and two guys who apparently sweat Stickum (Collie and Gonzo). For those long bombs, a Wayne/Garcon/Gonzo trio gives you three guys that can take it all the way, any time they touch the ball.
One thing is for sure: if there’s at least one wide receiver on the field, it’s Reggie Wayne.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Mar 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
I think
Reggie’s knee wasn’t 100%. He ran 730+ routes during the season. 137 of them in the playoffs. If you pass so much, you need to rotate 4 guys, at least.
Reggie
It wasn’t Reggie’s fault. The Saint’s outplayed us. Period. I’ll be more than happy to root for Reggie, while the Bandwagon Colt fans talk out of there A$$. Every team in the NFL would love to have Reggie Wayne.
True DAT
Marvin Harrison never mentored a young Reggie Wayne or Anthony Gonzalez from what I know. Reggie Wayne shows up in the playoffs (he had more TDs than Marvin did, playing fewer games than him though Marvin had more safety coverage rolled towards his side), and was never hesitant to take the young WRs under his wing, something Marvin never did. Reggie is more valuable than we know or think he is to the Colts WR corp.
I do wish we had another vertical threat though to beat teams like the Saints who played a lot of man with their CBs, Marvin burned them in the 2007 Saints game though Jason David was a part of the reason. But still, if Marvin in his prime was playing out there, the Saints would not dare play Marvin without safety help in the 4th quarter.
Amen.
If there’s any “blame”, it should be on the Saints for wanting it more than Indy and willing to gamble for it. Looking back, everyone felt as if it were preordained that the Colts would walk away champions. We all should’ve known better.
And yes, Reggie’s route wasn’t “perfect”. So what? He’s run worse and come up with the ball. Porter just made a great read. I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face, but the offense actually misled most of the deep coverage into pursuing Collie across the field, leaving Reggie one-on-one with Porter. It’s just that Porter’s discipline paid off, and add that to a great jump on the ball, and the rest is history.
Anyone “blaming” Reggie for the loss needs to unass their head. Had Indy made other first downs, that would’ve simply been a tying score, not a lead. Reggie didn’t lose that game for us.
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by E.M.H. on Mar 18, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
AGGGREEEEDDDD!!!
“If there’s any "blame", it should be on the Saints for wanting it more than Indy and willing to gamble for it. Looking back, everyone felt as if it were preordained that the Colts would walk away champions. We all should’ve known better.” —-couldn’t agree more!!
by Manning4ever on Mar 19, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Blame Game
We’ve been playing the blame game for more than a month now. Personally, I’m over it. Baskett’s gone. Polian and co. are getting bigger on the line so hopefully Mike Hart or whomever can run 1 frickin yard, and maybe Caldwell has learned his lesson about coaching not to lose in the biggest game of the season.
Let’s face it, Reggie ran a less than stellar route on a play that Porter himself has admitted that he was prepared to jump, and Manning telegraphed it all the way. It was just one of those plays where everything that can go wrong for one team does, and everything that can go right for the other team does. If Manning and Reggie had that one back I’m sure they would have keyed in on Porter and gone with a Sluggo to take advantage of his aggressiveness, or maybe Peyton would have looked to Collie running underneath, or Dallas wide open up the seam.
That’s all to say, as much as I was devastated by the loss, if any team is ready to be back in that position next year and better prepared for it, it’s the Colts. And I’m glad that Wayne and Brackett are already carrying that mentality with them.
Now, let’s see our Special Teams finally work on preparing for those random onsides kicks. Between Fisher and Sean Payton, I’ve seen enough of that crap.
Red headed step child
Let us make a list:
1. 2003 playoffs – Dante Hall returns a kickoff for a TD though the Colts beat the Chiefs 38-31 and did not punt
2. 2005 playoffs – Vandershank shanked one wide right against the Steelers, yeah we remember that!!!
3. 2006 playoffs – Antwan Randle El of Redskins and Justin Miller of Jets return kickoffs for TDs, Ellis Hobbs gets enough return yardage to give good field position for Brady and the Pats consistently though the Colts pulled off a squeaker 38-34. Then we give up the opening kickoff return TD to Devin Hester. It is a miracle how our team stuck together that year adding our woeful run D to the above gaffes.
4. 2007 season – Sproles has 2 return TDs in the Chargers regular season game, then does enough damage in the 2007 playoffs again and Scifres booms one without enough of a return towards the end of the game, no pressure on him whatsoever.
5. 2008 playoffs – Scifres continues to boom and have the game of his life while we field punts inside the 10 or do not put any pressure on Scifres when we know he is booming it like that, and of course the diminutive Sproles does his customary damage
6. 2009 playoffs – Matt Stover misses his kick and Hank Baskett fails to recover the onside kick and as usual, we do not get enough return yardage for decent field position
How many more times do these things need to happen before they realize that kicking and returning are big parts of winning playoff games? I remember the Steelers being down 0-7 at home to the Chargers in the 2008 playoffs and then Santonio Holmes returns a punt for a game tying TD to make it 7-7 and the Steelers go on to beat the Chargers 35-24 on their way to winning the SB.
When are we going to ever value playmakers at the returning position? Adam Vinatieri, when healthy, delivers, no doubt about that. We addressed the punting with McAfee, now it is time to address the returning department badly.
Of course
In the 2009 season, something that went unnoticed is that we failed to recover 2 onside kicks, once against the Seahawks and once against the Titans, both with our “hands” team out there, that should have told you something is wrong there. We did technically recover one when Jacob Tamme batted the ball out of bounds when the Seahawks attempted their second onside kick in that game we won 34-17.
A small note
Antwan Randle El and Justin Miller returned kickoff return TDs against us in the 2006 regular season, small correction :-).
#2s do ascend to #1
However, when that #1 guy leaves, very rarely, if EVER, does that #2 guy ascend and become a comparable #1 guy.
Off the top of my head, I’d say TO going from #2 behind Rice to All Pro, and Torry Holt going from #2 behind Bruce to the probowl both qualify. There are probably a few others in recent times as well.
Let's see
Randy Moss becoming the No. 1 guy after Cris Carter, Donald Driver after Freeman, Steve Smith after Buress, T.J. Houshmanzadeh after Ochocinco. I think that those last two are a stretch just b/c they didn’t do it as long but just examples.
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by P0RKINS2 on Mar 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually
85 never left Cincinatti but T.J. became the No. 1 guy in 2007 after being the No. 2 guy for years, similar to Reggie becoming the No. 1 guy after Marvin got hurt in 2007.
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by P0RKINS2 on Mar 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what basis is there for this statement?
Back to the receivers, one key sub-plot of camp in 2010 is will Garçon retain his starting job? From a talent standpoint, he has more ability than Gonzo. In addition, Collie is a better slot receiver than Gonzo. This sort of makes the former first round pick out of Ohio State a bit of an odd duck on the roster. He is getting paid more than Garçon and Collie, yet right now I cannot see how he starts over either one of them.
From my perspective Gonzo looked better in both positions. He ran better routes than either guy, he has better hands than either guy, and I wouldn’t be shocked if he was faster than either guy (his 40 times are comparble to Garcons and faster than Collies, for what its worth).
Garcon maybe a better blocker, but he loses some of that due to occasional boneheaded-ness.
I’ll buy that Gonzo may be rusty, or that his injury could have done long term damage that will make him lose the starting spot, but prior to his injury he was better than both Garcon and Collie, in either WR position.
By what metric?
Comparing Collie this year to Gonzo last year, Gonzo caught more of his targets.
ok, how do they compare in this metric?
I can’t seem to find anyone that has these stats available for comparison. You can find an interesting read about WR stats here:
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/02/thoughts-on-wr-stats.html
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I agree Collie has better hands, but, I think Gonzo is much quicker off the line. The quickness off the line I believe is important for the short passing game, 3 and 5 step drops. Collie should continue to improve. I’m pumped for next season, if we stay healthy I think our 4 wide and 5 wide sets will be the best in football. Moreover, I don’t think Gonzo is going to play slot, I believe he was in line for Garcon’s spot. So, it’s going to be a wild ride.
Gonzo is probably the second best receiver at everything. Garcon’s probably faster, Collie probably has better hands, Wayne probably runs better routs. But in my opinion, Gonzo is the second best at all of those things, except maybe tied with Wayne for best hands. To me that sounds like a pretty good overall package, as opposed to having to say “Oh well hes a good slot receiver”, like we do with PG and AC, you can’[t typecast him or Reggie into a single WR role.
Think about this
Have you ever wondered how Gonzo would have played after having a full TC without Marvin to hog more reps? This was the first TC where he got reps as a #2 wideout. I remember attending that pre-season game against the Eagles where our starters played their starters in the first half for the most part. I saw Gonzo make that Marvinesque catch at the corner of the end zone against Asante Samuel for a TD, I knew he was ready for the #2 role then. Then the injury happened.
He showed up for both our 2 playoff losses against the Chargers, did more damage than Harrison or Wayne but he got injured again in the second half of the 2008 loss. If you remember, in our 2007 Pats game that Marvin did not play, as a rookie, he injured his thumb dropping a TD pass defended by Asante Samuel and did not return, we were forced to play Aaron Moorehead (let me not get started on that guy :-)).
Gonzo killed the Chargers from the slot, they had no answer for him. He will kill most nickel CBs around the league from the slot, even more than Collie. If there is a knock on him, it is the knock of injury. The other knock was he would lie down in a fetal position, like most of our WRs except maybe Wayne and Garcon who take the hits more readily, short of the first down, it happened a few times in 2008 and that bugged me. For someone who caught 70% of his passes as a #3 wideout in 2008, I liked his ceiling going into 2009. Now that we know Garcon and Collie can be counted on, we don’t need to worry about Manning staring down comfort zone wideouts like Harrison and Wayne anymore, the sky will be the limit in spreading it around.
The best thing about 2009 was that Manning was forced more out of his comfort zone to trust Garcon and Collie more, unlike previous years where he had Wayne and Harrison. Now, put Gonzo into the mix that he was starting to gain trust in, I see all of them having 5 TDs and 500 yards or more this year.
You all gotta admit
Wondering how Gonzo’s going to fit back in is a wonderful problem to have. As the saying goes, you can’t have too much talent on a roster. Indy sure as heck’s going to test that this coming fall.
Anyone see a rotation occuring, with Collie being put in for “possession” downs and Garçon being in when they want to open things up? And both occasionally spelling Gonzo, who’s been out pretty much the whole year and may need time to reacclimate?
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I agree.
I think a wonderful rotation will happen, at least at the beginning of the season. Gonzo will need time to get back into it. That is unless they go 5 wide…which would be kinda fun to watch.
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 18, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
5 wide??
I think they like Peyton too much to throw him behind a line with no back to pick up blitzes. Then again, all 4 receivers plus an H-back like Clark out in patterns… yeech. That’d be scary to the opposition. So many targets. Granted, it won’t work against an opponent with a good D-line that can penetrate, but still… it’s fascinating to ponder, I’ll admit that. In the end, I’d rather have the blocking, since 3 wides gets the job done without leaving Peyton vulnerable to the pass rush, but man, 5 wide is something fun to imagine!
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About blaming Reggie,
that’s nonsense. It’s a team sport, and there were mistakes by the a lot of people, from the coaches on down. STARTING WITH THE COACHES.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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So,
you don’t like the coaches in that game, right?
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Win or lose, last year was:

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by Indy Lori on Mar 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It certainly was.
Nice graphic!!
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, here's what is REALLY bugging me:
What on earth does the title of this article have to do with the content? I saw the title and thought maybe there was a quote from Reggie about how much it sucks to lose a Super Bowl and how he was hungry for another one. But this article is about Reggie being a mentor and how we shouldn’t blame him for the Super Bowl loss.
Maybe it should be entitled: Grandpa Reggie shouldn’t be Blamed
I had a similar reaction
I was hoping that Reggie came out and said something about wanting another SB!!
How can you not love a team that does this?
Same here.
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Why do people keep saying this?
And while Reggie Wayne did run a bad route on the Tracy Porter pick, it’s not like the route was Randy Moss-like. It just wasn’t “perfect,” and Porter was smart enough to make the right read at the right time in the right conditions. If Wayne runs a better route and Porter does the exact same thing, we’re talking a ten yard Colts gain and an eventual TD to tie the game.
Look, that pick was in the process of happening before Reggie even made the cut. Porter himself said that he knew what the route was from the formation. He read the play, not the route. Why does no-one writing sports articles these days seem to grasp that?
Use this footage, and start it at the 0:16 mark. Reggie is starting the route, and Porter should be in a hard backpedal. But he isn’t, and before Reggie even makes the cut, Porter is shuffling inside. Why does the route look so weird if Reggie didn’t run it incorrectly? Well, he’s looking at Porter, right in front of him, doing something that a corner shouldn’t be doing, namely jumping his route. The route was over and done with by the time Porter started moving to the inside, and when Reggie plants that first foot in the ground, he’s just playing defense at that point. The best he could have done at that point was somehow make a tackle.
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Porter made a great play
because his anticipation exposed Wayne’s sub-par route. Maybe it was the injury eating at him, but the route did not look full speed, he was slow off the snap, and his cut was not very hard. Not a TERRIBLE route, just not a very good one. Had it been better, like he said, it would likely just have been a ten yard gain, with still room left for the endzone. Porter’s read was too good and a touchdown would not have been allowed regardless with that coverage. Poor route, but much better coverage. Credit the defense more on this one.
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Wait,
how on earth can you figure that his route was sub-par when it was never completed? Receivers don’t always run 100% of a route at full speed every time. The only part of that route that needs to be fast is the cut and the break. And even then, the cut in that route in the Super Bowl is irrelevant because Porter had already jumped the route. Look at the footage in the Miami game from the above link (not me, the actual link :P). Not the exact same route, but the same idea. The defender bit on Reggie’s move, thus a completion.
I mean, initially, right after the SB, I thought it was a sloppy route, too. But the more I watched the footage, the more it became glaringly obvious that it only looked sloppy because Reggie at that point already realised Porter had made the play. I mean, really, how often do we see defenders flat-foot it against Reggie freaking Wayne? Like any other DB on any other day, Reggie expected him to go backward. Didn’t happen. The only logical conclusion is to say that that play belonged 100% to Tracy Porter. I don’t believe, with the design of that play, that there was any other possible outcome, unless the ball had been thrown to someone else.
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"Receivers don’t always run 100% of a route at full speed every time"
I mean Wow. That is your argument? Really? You should never half ass a route in a game, let alone in the f***ing Super Bowl. Porter did not half ass his break on the ball. Game. Set. Match. I played receiver, and spent many a summers going to camps trying to better myself at the position. It was a bad cut by Wayne. He didn’t lose the game for us by any means, but that particular play, if anybody, that pick was on him.
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Sorry for replying a bit late to this...
No, look, firstly that wasn’t the whole of my argument. Second, you can design a route around differing speeds at different points in the route; I’m actually surprised that if you played receiver you didn’t grasp that right off the bat. Third, as I already outlined, the cut was irrelevant to the outcome because the route was already jumped by that point. Even still, I contend that the cut wasn’t typically sharp by Reggie’s standards because he was already starting to react to Porter about to take his football away. I’ve rolled that footage back and forth probably literally around 200 times since we’ve been having this discussion; I’m pretty confident in what I’m seeing.
Go back to the spot I identified: you can see Reggie’s eyes are still on Porter as Porter is sliding over. Reggie is obviously aware at that point that Porter is making a play, and he hadn’t even made the cut yet. He’s just starting to stutter-step, and by the time his lower body catches up with his brain, his left leg swings a bit awkwardly as he stumbles trying to catch up to what Porter’s doing/about to do. This is another reason it looks like a sloppy route, but in reality it isn’t even the route anymore at that point, it’s just Reggie trying to get to the ball before Porter. Reggie is essentially the defender at that point. As I said earlier, before I started watching (and re-watching and re-watching) that play from all the myriad angles ESPN and NFLN were so kind as to deluge me with, I thought Reggie had phoned that one in, too. Then it started bothering me as to whether Reg ran a poor route or Peyton made a poor read, and I had to come to the conclusion based on obsessively playing back the tape that neither were at fault. Porter just made the play. But if you can’t see that on the film, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
High five?
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Let's just agree on this part
Porter deserves praise more than Wayne deserves fingerpointing. We have different interpretations of what happened on our side, but Porter was the victor, regardless. He got the best of both guys. Wayne didn’t run a Moss-like poor route and Peyton didn’t make a stupid throw like Favre did in the NFCC game. Porter just took it to the house. F***ing bastard. Oh well. Every team has it’s heartbreaking moment. Pats have Marlin Jackson and David Tyree, UK basketball has Christian Laetnerr, Vikings have Favre’s pick to porter, we have Tracy Porter channeling all the powers from every pro bowl DB in the league (like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat or something, if you’re old enough to get that reference).
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Oh yeah, I'm definitely old enough for that reference,
but I was a Street Fighter II kind of guy. Tracy Porter smacked us down like E. Honda.
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
Could have done without that deadspin turd stain
Of course I am just one of those people who loves to be irritated, so of course, knowing what was on the other side of that link, I clicked on it. Of course calling deadspin a credible sports site is like calling a group of boy scouts Navy SEALS.
Anyone who actually thinks Manning choked is of course a hater, but fans who blind themselves from actual facts and game tape to fill their hatred don’t deserve to watch football. You know how good Manning was in that game? If it had not been for Porter’s pick, which any sensible fan knows was not Manning’s fault, he would have outplayed Drew Brees (which can be argued that he did anyway), and won the game. Brees had all his receivers. Manning was in his first year w/o his number one (Harrison) and his number two never saw the field after week one. And his team wins 14 games (losing none, really) and goes to the super bowl. Yep, def a choker. Also, run game? Saints, yes, Colts, no. Defense? Saints, yes, Colts, HA! HELL NO! Freeney hurt and the rest of the D do squat. Brees did not beat Manning. The Saints beat the Colts. These idiots can play out their fairy tale of Brees being better because he hit wide open receivers who did not drop passes, unlike some other team’s receivers, and has a three headed monster of a run game (who did much more to win that game than drew himself, no offense to the guy). Deadspin is a site for the mentally challenged sports fans and the comment section shows how big of losers they really are. I do love the fact that Peyton is so much better than everyone else in the league that it makes little whiny pansies try and create myths about “choking” on some site that tabloid magazines would call complete garbage.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Who's Blaming Reggie?
Maybe I have been avoiding news on the Colts as a way to recover from the loss, but this is the first person, blog, paper, lame news anchor etc. that has mentioned anything about this. I know a lot of Colts fans and not one blamed Reggie.
The route had nothing to do with Porter’s pick. He made a decision based on what he saw studying film. Let’s give him credit for making the play.
I think its hard for us to admit that Peyton and the offense got out smarted on this particular play.
Average Adam
Can BigBlueShoe.....
point out to use where can we read about "Reggie Wayne wants another Super Bowl ". It would really be helpful. Thanks!
It saddens me that people have forgotten how great Gonzo was
before his injury. I want to see him starting with Collie and Garcon rotating based on the situation.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Butler is going to go to the sweet 16. Whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.
^^this
Annnnnd, I kinda thought it was a given: Reggie wants another Super Bowl. My immediate reaction was “duh.”
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
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