Former Kansas State head coach Ron Prince hired by Colts as Assistant Offensive Line Coach
Howard Mudd has retired. We will do an article later this week wishing Howard well as he rides off into the sunset in his pimped out golf cart. With Mudd retiring, last year's assistant offensive line coach Pete Metzelaars will step in and assume the duties of o-line coach. With Pete taking over those duties, the Colts have made yet another coaching hire by snagging former Kansas State head coach Ron Prince to take over Pete's old job as assistant line coach.
From 2006-2008, Prince ran K-State's program. After he left K-State, he ran the special teams for Al Groh's Virginia program. When you search for "Ron Prince" over at SB Nation's K-State blog, Bring on the Cats, the comments about his tenure as head coach there are certainly not rosy. In fact, I found one article rather interesting in that the author seemed to indicate that Prince preferred slimmer, faster offensive linemen to larger, bulkier players. Such a philosophy is one the Colts have employed with their o-line since Howard Mudd became line coach in 1998.
Other comments about Prince were not... well, they were not all that flattering:
And people wonder why Ron Prince is now the SPECIAL TEAMS COORDINATOR AT VIRGINIA! THAT MORON WASTED AN ENTIRE YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY FOR [ATTRAIL] SNIPES, A TALENTED, SPEEDY RECEIVER, SO HE COULD PARTICIPATE IN F*%$#@& PUNT COVERAGE!!!?! SON OF A %$#@&!!!!!!
In another article, BotC criticized Prince's ability to manage the team's roster:
If you want to see the primary example of why Ron Prince was considered to be a poor roster manager, look no farther than the running back position.
In 2008, Kansas State didn't have a single rusher break 500 net rushing yards. The leading rusher last season, Lamark Brown (412 yds, 5TD), has been moved back to his original position, wide receiver. The second leading rusher, Josh Freeman (404 yds, 14 TD), will be fighting for the starting QB position this year in Tampa Bay. Even Logan Dold, the third running back on the list (333 yds, 3 TD), has been moved to safety. This leaves senior Keithen Valentine as the most statistically successful running back on the roster (129 yds, 1 TD).
Prince compiled a 17-20 record at K-State, which doesn't look as bad as the K-State bloggers seem to suggest his coaching tenure was. While I appreciate and enjoy reading other fan's perspectives on certain coaches, I take such opinions with a grain of salt. Texas fans think Vince Young is a premiere QB. Florida fans think Tim Tebow is Jesus. Notre Dame fans cheered the hiring of Charlie Weis.
You see my point? College football fans have no perspective.
What does seem a little sketchy about Prince is that there was some controversy when he was fired from K-State. Apparently, there was a buy out involved that the university sued to have the agreement made "invalid." Prince and then-former Kansas State AD Bob Krause agreed to some kind of buy out of $3.2 million. K-State did not seem to like this buy out, and sued. Prince counter-sued, saying the department knew of the buy out. The situation looks like it was a mess, and likely this is one of the reasons why Prince seems so toxic to K-State fans.
Prince is a young guy (40), and from 2001-2005 he was the offensive coordinator at Virginia. His current job with the Colts seems to his first foray into the NFL. How he will mesh with the Colts and their veteran o-line remains to be seen.
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Well... I admit, I do get worried when a newly hired pro coach doesn't have a rosy college resume...
… but then I remind myself of Cam Cameron: He was a rising star as a coordinator and assistant in college before he went on to good success with Washington in the NFL. He then took IU’s HC job, and well… it’s Indiana U. football; Montanna in his prime couldn’t save that program if he both coached and suited up. You’d think that’d be a black mark, and I think there are things he could’ve done better coaching the Hoosiers (not surrender to the fact that IU is lower on the recruiting totem pole than other universities is one of them), but at the same time, the fact that it was IU is, in a funny way, a shield against negative judgements: No one blames him for not being able to raise the program far.
After that, though, Cameron has had only 1 honestly bad NFL experience (the Dolphins). Yet, he had multiple good ones (Washington, San Diego, and currently Baltimore). He may never get a head coaching job ever again, but no one questions his abilities as a coordinator. I think he Peter Principled out, then sank back down to his level of competence. My point here is that we can’t judge NFL coaches performances by what they did in college. Cameron is proof of that. He’s an argument that a bad college resume doesn’t necessarily spell doom in the pros.
And didn’t Caldwell have a somewhat average to mediocre college record too?
Successful college coaches coming to the NFL and having great success are rare; Jimmy Johnson is the only one I can think of offhand, although there have to be others. But what I’m getting at is that what matters in the pros is how you perform in the pros, and if they don’t have professional experience, the most you can do is give them a chance to demonstrate what they could do. If Prince has passed muster with Polian and Caldwell, I’m fine with them giving him that chance.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Same here.
Not ready to pass judgment on him yet.
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I think the same can bs said for Wade Phillips and, wait for it....Norv Turner.
Both WAY better coordinators than HCs.
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by Addai Another Aday on Mar 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the same can be said for Wade Phillips and, wait for it....Norv Turner.
Both WAY better coordinators than HCs.
"If you define your personality as creative, it only means you understand what is perceived to be creative by the world at large, so you're really just following a rote creative template. That's the opposite of creativity. Everybody is wrong about everything, just about all the time.
But ANYWAY..."
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by Addai Another Aday on Mar 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn iPhone.....
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But ANYWAY..."
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by Addai Another Aday on Mar 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Prince
I am a huge KSU Football supporter and I was excited when K-State first hired Prince. However after watching him manage a game, and managing the clock, he has left me very unimpressed. He was in over his head. Maybe he will have better luck next year in his new role.
Good luck.
As long as he sticks to being assistant O-line coach you should be fine
but keep his head out of the playbook. I spent three years watching him destroy my alma mater’s team. Perhaps it was the Peter Principle coming true once again.
It should be mentioned that Prince coached the UVA offensive line from 2001 to 2005
One would hope that fact would be included. One would think it warrants mention, just maybe.
And that Prince did a good if not great job in that role, coaching most notably D’Brickashaw Ferguson among other players.
Seems like
The knocks on him are game and roster management, responsibilities he will have with us.
I don’t see how any of the criticism is really relevant for this position.
His experience as OL coach is more relevant and he seems to handle that well, according to geo.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
I really don't like the notion
that he prefers smaller, more athletic O-Line’ers. I was hoping that we were going to start leaning toward bigger guys who can run block better. I’ll withhold judgment for now, but will be quick to pull it out if we continue this line of thinking, so to speak.
How can you not love a team that does this?
bigger guys usually don't pass block as well
and will get worn down worse by the long waits in their stance pre-snap.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
understood
but there needs to be some sort of compromise… our running game sucks
How can you not love a team that does this?
get small guys that are better at their jobs?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
That could work.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Prince,
was also despised by K-State fans, I attended college there for two years, because he failed to win football games. The man had some good players come through there and he just couldn’t get it done. He also was known as a bit of a tyrant and he was especially rough on his players. Just my experience living in these parts and watching most of the games he coached.
At the end of the day he really won’t have much input as an assistant offensive line coach so there is little chance for him to do any damage, and hell, maybe he can light a fire in Tony Ugoh.
I like this hire.
They always played the Longhorns tough. Colt McCoy’s worst loss statisticly was against the Wildcats.
And, Vince WAS a good college QB.
"If you define your personality as creative, it only means you understand what is perceived to be creative by the world at large, so you're really just following a rote creative template. That's the opposite of creativity. Everybody is wrong about everything, just about all the time.
But ANYWAY..."
— Chuck Klosterman
by Addai Another Aday on Mar 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
STOP IT!
you are shattering my world view!!!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Mar 2, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
He DID run a 6.66 on his 3-Cone Drill.
Just sayin…
"If you define your personality as creative, it only means you understand what is perceived to be creative by the world at large, so you're really just following a rote creative template. That's the opposite of creativity. Everybody is wrong about everything, just about all the time.
But ANYWAY..."
— Chuck Klosterman
by Addai Another Aday on Mar 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did he do it
Over water?
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
by AJforAZ on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Jesus? That's a lie!
On Good Friday, he was given a single hot cross bun and two fish sticks, yet managed to feed an entire football squad, plus coaching staff, as well as the press conference following.
Take that!
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
He isn't Jesus
He is Messiah.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions

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