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Colts Tradedown Scenarios

The common theme in reaction to my mock draft posted last night was that the Colts 1st round pick, while a solid player at a need position, wasn't really what is being hoped for. While I would love a prospect I like better than Maurkice Pouncey to fall to #31 a more plausible scenario is a tradeback once none of them do.

These scenarios have the 1st 30 picks from my most recent mock draft locked in, after which they are based off Draft-Tek's baseline team needs, player rankings and player grabs. Trades are matched up with the trade value chart which while flawed and outdated, is standard as opposed to using one of many differing updates to the board. 3 scenarios based off 3 of the best players available at #31 and teams that would covet them.

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Scenario #1  Pats move for Gresham

The Pats have signed Alge Crumpler to replace Ben Watson, but Crumpler has eaten himself nearly into the offensive tackle weight class. A receiving TE would give them that other major target that their offenses total collapse without Welker shows they badly need.

The Trade: Colts give #31 and #94 to the Patriots for #47, #53 and #180  

Value chart: 720 given, 719.4 received.

The Patriots still have #44 to grab an edge rusher like Jerry Hughes to go with their 1st round picks of Odrick and Gresham and gain a pick in the 3rd round which they had previously been without (Burgess trade). Meanwhile the Colts sit with three 2nd round picks, perfect for a team that returns all but one starter, to grab a trio of great role players and/or future starters and get into the 6th round (McAfee trade).

The Fallout:

Players of interest available between pick #47 and #53:CB Dominique Franks, RB/KR Jahvid Best, and G John Jerry.

Players of interest available between pick #53 and #63: SS/LB Chad Jones, CB/FS/KR Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, OT Jared Veldheer, G/C Matt Tennant, CB Brandon Ghee, DE Koa Misi and DT Tyson Alualu and TE Rob Gronkowski,

Players of interest available after pick 63: DE Eric Norwood, LB Navarro Bowman, DE Jason Worlids, DE/DT Alex Carrington, S Morgan Burnett,  DT Lamarr Houston, and CB/KR Javier Arenas

I'd choose Jones, Gronk and Worlids. The trade turns the Colts top 3 picks into a stud back 7 player who would dominate special teams and after time emerge in the D at WILL, MIKE or SS, A blocking TE with fantastic size with great hands who runs good routes, an undersized edge rusher with a well developed set of pass rushing moves, making for instant insurance on Freeney and Mathis as well as a 6th round pick (LBs Roderick Muckelroy and Micah Johnson, S Myron Rolle, and K Leigh Tiffin are all available there)

 

 

Scenario #2   Al <3 Taylor

Bruce Campbell at 8 then standing pat doesn't make for a wacky enough 1st round in Oakland. If Davis' scouts got a more accurate time on Taylor Mays than the seemingly off official time (NFL network's overlay had Mays beating Trindon Holliday who officially ran a 4.34) then it'd be a tough wait for Mays to fall to #39

The Trade: Colts give #31 and #222 for #39 and #103  

Value Chart: 600 given, 598 received

Skelator gets his freak athlete, the Colts get a early 4th rounder to make their 1st pick from nearly the same pool of players and lose a late 7th rounder (one of 3 they have thanks to 2 compensatory picks in the 7th).

The Fallout:

Pouncey is gone by #39 but Rodger Saffold, Corey Wootton, Jermaine Gresham and Chad Jones are there. The #103 pick has DT Mike Neal, CB Amari Spievey, DE George Selvie, OTs Jason Fox and Kyle Calloway, and S T.J. Ward available.

I'd take Saffold and Calloway for a nice set of bookend tackles (and a dual guard upgrade by kicking CJ and Diem inside), to go with whatever defensive help I can get with the #63 and #95 picks, which the Colts retain.

 

Scenario #3  Carolina trades up, but stops chasing the pick

The Panthers have need at DE again this year after giving their 1st rounder in a trade to grab a highly touted DE, Everette Brown. They couldn't grab Brown with their 1st because they had traded it away the year before that to take RT Jeff Otah. Carolina finds itself once again seeing a value pick at a need position on the board, but not having a 1st rounder to get him. This year, they'll finally pay upfront to put an end to the cycle.

The Trade: #31, #158 and #222 for #48, #78 and #206

Panthers get 1st round talent at DE, Everson Griffen, to replace Peppers and still have the same number of picks to try to fill their other holes.  Indy turns a late 5th into a mid 3rd for their troubles.

Value Chart:  630.8 Given,  629 Received

The Fallout:

At #48 the Colts can choose from CB Dominique Franks, G Vlad Ducasse, RB/KR Jahvid Best, TE Rob Gronkowski and C/G Matt Tennant, who wouldn't make it to their pick at #63.

With the 5th turned mid 3rd the Colts get a shot at DE Austen Lane, TE Anthony McCoy, C/G J.D. Walton, and LB Narvarro Bowman who wouldn't have lasted to the Colts 3rd round pick. Or they could get a CB/DT combo from Javier Arenas or Amari Spievey with one of Geno Atkins and Lamarr Houston all 4 of who went shortly after the Colts pick at #95.

I'd take Gronkowski and Lane, in exchange for the Colts 1st and 5th picks.

 

Summary

Scenario 1: Chad Jones (mid 2nd), Rob Gronkowski (mid 2nd), Jason Worilds(late 2nd), 4th rounder, 5th rounder, Leigh Tiffin (mid 6th), 7th rounder (x3)

Scenario 2: Rodger Saffold (early 2nd), 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, Kyle Calloway, 5th rounder, 7th rounder (x2)

Scenario 3: Rob Gronkowski (mid 2nd), 2nd rounder, Austen Lane (mid 3rd), 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, 7th rounder (x3)

Stand Pat: Maurkice Pouncey (late 1st), 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder, 5th rounder, 7th rounder (x3)

Poll
Which Scenario do you like best?
Scenario #1
79 votes
Scenario #2
36 votes
Scenario #3
10 votes
Just take Pouncey (or Gresham) at #31
123 votes

248 votes | Poll has closed

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I don't know....

How you can justify drafting a TE that high, with all of the other needs for the team.

Especially Gresham. I mean, Gronkowski is suppose to be a great blocker and pass catcher. Gresham is a question mark in the blocking category. The Colts don’t need any more pass-catching TEs right now. And pure blocking TEs can be taken later.

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by Mojo1 on Mar 22, 2010 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

well you don't want a pure blocking TE

or else you’d just put Adam Terry at TE like the Ravens did in some power formations. You want one who’s you can count on to be a reliable outlet and ideally one that can step into a larger role in the passing O if injuries hit.

by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scenario #2 all the way

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by cscott5527 on Mar 22, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

interesting, but...

…it should be said, any of these scenarios would most likely happen (as you suggest) if the Colts were targeting someone between picks 31 and 48. This typically happens when the top part of the draft is assessed to be relatively weak, right? I think the Colts would do better to just pick the best player at 31. However, if they were targeting an OL prospect at 31, and he was unavailable, then I could see one of your suggestions as “Plan B.”

by taipei_coltsfan on Mar 22, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

the way I see it, is that in the scenario that I had in my mock

there are 1st round caliber guys there at #31, but not at a position or the type that the Colts want/need.

by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what makes the draft fun

You never really know how teams rate players and what their intentions are. Here’s a question: Which is more likely? Colts trade up or down? Or, do you think its remotely possible they trade up? (that’s two questions, I guess)

by taipei_coltsfan on Mar 22, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so, at least not for the first round. I’d guess rounds 2-6 are possible, but the cost of trading up in round one is too high. At least in my opinion.

by 2ndBlueGeneration on Mar 22, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading up is generally not a good thing

unless you really like a player or can get a good deal. Otherwise, it’s too costly.

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by Cassieper on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Besides...

when was the last time Polian traded up in the 1st Round?

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by P0RKINS2 on Mar 23, 2010 1:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One thing

If a team trades up, it always gives up more value points, than it receives.

by Ty46 on Mar 23, 2010 3:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know why

More people didn’t vote for scenario two. It’s the only scenario where the Colts get Saffold, which is the only reason I would tolerate a trade back. If they end up not getting a tackle (or Pouncey) in the first two rounds, I’m going to be really disappointed.

Also, is it possible for Saffold to still be there @ #48? That’s only about 4 or 5 picks later than I’ve seen him go in mocks. If that were the case I’d prefer scenario 3, which would give the Colts a chance at Saffold and Calloway in the 2nd, and Lane and Spievey (if both slipped just a tad) in the third. Leave the draft with just those four players and I’d be cool with whatever.

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by LukeNukem on Mar 23, 2010 6:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

If we trade down, it must be to get an OT at a more reasonable value pick.

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by gizzardfanny on Mar 23, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see this happening.

Polian has said that this years draft class is very deep, by trading down he would be able to stockpile players. I would like to see this happen. Bring in some depth and eventual starters. I do believe DB is gonna be addressed before OL.

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by whardiek on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I like scenario #2 the best.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Syracuse-Butler is going to be an epic game. Go Butler!

by Cassieper on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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