Question on Antoine Bethea and "tenders"
by etid5353 on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM EST
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Okay so I'm a little new with the whole FA /RFA /URFA thing and I saw this tweet from Adam Schefter:
Adam_Schefter Just as Denver placed 1st-round tender on WR Brandon Marshall, Colts did the same on S Antoine Bethea, a former 6th-round pick.
WTF does this mean? Are we going to lose our best (or least fragile) Safety??
I hope I'm just freaking out over nothing. I'd be sick to my stomach seeing him on another team :(
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It doesn't mean anything yet
unless/until Bethea gets an offer from another team, which would require them to give up their first round pick to pry him from the Colts. I believe it also means the Colts could refuse the offer by counter-offering?
How can you not love a team that does this?
http://profootball.scout.com/2/617709.html
Basically what Lovin Blue said, plus it mentions the salary I believe we will be paying him.
$3,317,000 or 110% of the player’s prior year’s Salary, whichever is greater
Little surprised it was only a 1st...
LB is correct. This means we have made a qualifying offer at ~$2.8 million for 1 year. If another team makes an offer greater than that, the Colts have the option to match or be compensated by that team’s 1st round pick.
It seems unlikely that another team will give up a 1st round pick for Bethea, so I would expect him back. While I would have preferred to get a long term deal done, there are probably some salary implications with a possible lockout in 2012 that prevented it.
It could still get done during the offseason.
No need at the moment to rush.
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Long term deal
I’m with you on the desire to see Bethea locked up, but the option is still there. I’d imagine that keeping him in Blue and White next year will be accompanied by negotiations for a long-term deal.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Mar 3, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Jared Gaither
also received only a 1st round tender. That is worth exploring.
Go get him!
Do not pass Go. Do collect $3,000,000… put it in a black duffle bag… hand it to Mr. Gaither with a Mayflower Truck Greyhound Bus ticket to Indy. What OT prospect available at #31 is possibly going to be better than Gaither. WANT!
Jared Gaither. . . .help me out, please.
I confess my ignorance about him. Is he a left tackle? Can’t recall who he plays for, either. Duh.
You're sweet.
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LT Baltimore
24 years old and a borderline pro-bowler. 4th year player out of Maryland selected in the 5th round supplemental draft. 340lbs road grader who is more than adequate in pass protection. The only knock on him was that he failed out of school (hence the supp draft.) 4 years of production would seem to indicate that he has his head on straight now.
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by believeinblue41 on Mar 7, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Give him an offer the Ravens can't match
"I find a duck's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether or not I have bread."
-Mitch Hedberg
Or at least an offer large enough
that they can’t afford M’Jax.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
great
sign him to a 7 year 5$ contract where if he plays more than 4 games a year in the state of maryland his contract immediately escalates to a 1 year 5.6 billion dollar contract and his head coach must coach naked from the sidelines (this is for KMR, who finds coach Harbaugh to be dreamy)
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I'm not really sure how this helps the Colts
but for some sick, twisted reason I like it
How can you not love a team that does this?
its a poison pill..
they wouldnt be able to sign him to the contract because of the things that would kick in if Baltimore matched, so the Colts would get him (obviously he’d never agree to a 7 year $5 contract, but I’m not sure what the confusion was outside of that).
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OK then.
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another insightful post from you.
I can understand why you would complain about front page content when you keep bringin the pain.
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I assumed you were joking in your post,
because you were talking about Harbaugh coaching naked on the sidelines, so that was just a response to a sarcastic post that I found funny. I wasn’t trying to be insightful.
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I included a link to poison pills
I assumed that that would become clear when it was said that the contract would jump to a 5 billion dollar deal if 4+ games were played in the state of maryland a year (which is the minimum safe number after removing 1 preseason, 1 regular season and 1 playoff game)
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so here's what I don't understand about your poison pill
it only works if the Ravens were to be signing a player from OUR team. In the current scenario, I think the Ravens could just match / improve upon the offer from the Colts, nullifying the poison pill.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Huh?
you sign Gaither to a contract that states:
If you, Jared Gaither, Left Tackle in the National Football League, play four (4) games or more per year in the state of Maryland, your contract will immediately be converted to a One-year, 5.6 Billion ($5,600,000,000) USD contract, fully guaranteed. Also, starting in the 5th game, the person designated the head coach of your current football team will have to coach naked from the sidelines.
My reply was in response to Jared Gaither, not Antoine Bethea. My poison pill is in response to Jared Gaither, not Antoine Bethea.
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The NFL does have to approve contracts like that. I don’t think you can sign someone to a franchise crippling contract like that, even under a poison pill provision.
Basically, if someone wants to pay Bethea $3 mil a year and give us their first round pick, I’m down. Bethea’s good, but this is a deep draft.
That being said, I’d consider the Gaither trade. The chances of getting a franchise LT in the first round at 31 are slim to none. Basically none. Getting Gaither for a first would be awesome.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Mar 4, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
you can do it
just look at the burleson and hutchinson contracts, or the Brett Favre trade.
For the Hutchinson contract, it was basically, ‘if he’s not the highest paid OL on the team his contract becomes fully guaranteed’ (which would have been franchise crippling), for Burleson, I believe it was, ‘if he plays more than 4 games a year in minnesota’ there was some sort of guaranteed paid hike. In the Brett Favre trade, it was basically,. ‘if the Jets trade Favre to the Vikings, the Jets owe the Packers 3 first round picks’ (franchise crippling).
Obviously you can’t/won’t write it out to be a 1 year 5.6 billion dollar contract, but you don’t need to. Poison pills only have to apply to the team applying the tender, and it should be easy enough to come up with one that will prevent the Ravens from keeping Gaither.
This, however, means the Colts should not be RFA tendering anyone that they REALLY want to keep.
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and the problem seems to be
people not understanding how RFA tenders work:
if you want to ‘sign him to a new contract’, you don’t tender him. You can’t tender him, see offers that he signs, and then say, oh, we’ll sign you to this. Once you tender someone (RFA, Transition, Franchise), you either match the offers or accept the compensation.
If you sign someone to a poison pill, they obviously cannot match the contract, so they have to accept the compensation.
Your post about ‘signing a player from OUR team’ makes no sense. We couldn’t sign anyone to a poison pill contract and then have them be signed away.
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and thanks for the clarification
on the process to match / decline
but no need to be nasty
How can you not love a team that does this?
The only problem with this being...
The offer sheet has to be signed by the free agent and then given to the original team to give them the chance to match the offer. There is absolutely no way that Gaither would sign an offer with such an obvious poison pill from the Colts, thereby completely removing any chance of a counter-offer for more money by the Ravens. He would have to A) be a total fucking idiot B) absolutely hate the Ravens guts and want to kick them in the balls or C) love the city of Indianapolis sooo much that he’d be willing to give up millions of dollars to live there.
Since both A and C make him a crazy fucktard and B makes him a diabolic bitch made, few teams would have success with this “reverse” poison pill take on free-agency. It’s probably why you don’t see it very often.
P.S. You can change your sig, but you’re still a douche and an asshole. ;)
by peytonsurdaddy on Mar 7, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
there is no option for counter-offers
you can either MATCH or DECLINE and receive compensation. Their chance to ‘counter offer’ was before they tendered him.
Now they are locked in to those 2 options.
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and players have signed such offer sheets in the past
The only employers they are loyal to are the next ones.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_pill
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Is the tender top 10 or top 5 protected?
That would be kind of a dumb for a team like the Bucs to sign him and give the #3 pick or whatever, but is there a rule in place like that?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
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Nope
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-Mitch Hedberg
I find that kind of odd
I mean, no team under their right mind would give up their top 5 pick for nothing short of a franchise QB that’s spectacular, but I would think that some rule would be in place.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
There doesn't need to be a rule in theory,
because teams would never do that.
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Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
just wanna say...
I love the sig line! The football/baseball comparison by Carlin was classic. I also loved his random sports chant (rat shit, bat shit, dirty old……)
God I miss that offensive old son-of-a-bitch!
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Ahaha
A Carlin fan, excellent. I do miss Carlin as well. He was a breath of fresh air, and the best comedian I have ever listened to. RIP :P
But yeah, the football/baseball is one of my favorite skits, but my favorite was one when he was talking about people who talk too much, and he did it in his later years.-
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Don't see him leaving
I am not surprised by this move on Bethea. As someone earlier on in the thread stated, they will probably look to give him a long term deal after next season. He is a great player and has gotten better every year.
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