Peyton Manning has neck surgery
by Brad Wells on Mar 3, 2010 4:08 PM EST
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PrintAccording to Adam Shefter's Twitter page, Peyton Manning had neck surgery in Chicago to relieve pain as a result of a pinched nerve. The Colts are saying the surgery was not serious, but they said roughly the same thing about Peyton's knee surgery in 2008.
And, um, yeah, that surgery was pretty serious.
Having that knee surgery in July 2008, as opposed to May, cost the Colts the AFC South that season and a home playoff game. So, no offense to the Colts, but I don't believe them when they say neck surgery for THE franchise player in the NFL is not serious.
Obviously, we hope Peyton recovers quickly and completely. Cue the snarky, BS comments from the usual cadre of douchebags about how Peyton also had his forehead worked on, or something "witty" like that.
[UPDATE]: Believe it or not, Mike Florio makes a good point:
In other words, Manning has had an injury that the Colts claim really isn't an injury, in order to prevent an accusation that they were covering up his injury.
Really, if the thing has never affected him "on or off the field," why in the hell was did they cut him open? And why did they announce it to the world when they have no requirement to say anything about injuries until the Wednesday before Week One of the 2010 season?
Here's why. If this news had leaked without the Colts getting in front of it, the obvious reaction (by pains in the ass like me) would have been that the Colts had failed to disclose the injury.
And just because the Colts say it never affected Manning doesn't mean they're telling the truth.
The Colts are a team not on the level when it comes to truthfully reporting injuries. That's fairly obvious. The only injury I recall Peyton getting listed for in 2009 was a glute injury, and last I checked a man's butt is pretty fair down from his neck. If Peyton Manning had neck pain as a result of an injury, it should have been reported during the season. That is the whole point behind the injury report! The Colts likely did not report it because they felt it presented a competitive advantage to the opponent.
Now, the injury is out in the open because it requires surgery to fix.
Ugh!
I really, really, really, really, really, REALLY hate how the Colts conduct their business with injuries. It almost always comes back to smack them in the face and make them look like schmucks. They cannot play this "We're a class organization that plays by the rules" card one minute and then pull this crap the next.
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Luckily it's early March instead of
July. This shouldn’t be anything related to an issue.
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Snarky comments already coming on PFT
People have no imagination
How can you not love a team that does this?
I'm
Kinda bored so I wouldn’t mind a few trolls.
by BlueKrew on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We need crackhead to come back.
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I miss him/her/it
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Movie Quote of the Week: "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented."
A little more:
“Peyton Manning yesterday underwent a procedure to relieve pain in his neck caused by a pinched nerve. This condition has existed intermittently for the past four years, but at no time did it interfere with his training, practice or playing regimen. While it never has affected Peyton’s activity on or off the field, the Colts’ medical staff, after post-playoff examination, thought it best to resolve the situation now.”
Source: USA Today
That pretty much shreds BBS' final few paragraphs.
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And?
Are you suggesting that the Colts are flat-out lying with the statement?
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unless it was a unique, selective, only-affected-him-on-his- free-time injury,
then yes, I admit to doubting the veracity of that cover-our-butt statement.
Keep the faith!
To which I point you to E.M.H.'s excellent explanation:
The obvious answer to why they cut him open is that the problem was not static, and while it didn’t bother him enough before, it probably was progressing to the point where Peyton wanted it handled. You know, Florio and BBS, even minor physical problems can degenerate, and what was tolerable in its early stages might be becoming bothersome as time goes on. Better to address it early in the offseason than worry about it near August.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
I'm not saying it's a flat-out lie
but, I wouldn’t bet the house based on a team statement. The only ones who know are Peyton, and others directly involved. Neither one of us can make that assumption one way or another.
I mean, look how Mangini was put on the hot seat after Favre admitted his shoulder was shredded and ribs were bruised the last third of his season with the Jets. With any mention of it left off the injury report. Now teams have to be proactive and come out with these statements. It just doesn’t mean that it’s true.
Keep the faith!
But then my next question is this:
Why, when you admit that we can never know “for sure,” do you tend to doubt the truthfulness of official team statements as your default instead of trusting them until evidence shows otherwise?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
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nature of the beast I guess
when money, wins or punishment is on the line, the edges of the truth can be somewhat filed in the direction of what’s best for the statement maker.
Keep the faith!
do you tend to doubt the truthfulness of official team statements as your default instead of trusting them until evidence shows otherwise?
Did you believe Belichick’s statement about taping defensive signals?
Keep the faith!
No,
because evidence showed otherwise. Just before the season started, the league issued a clear memo to all teams specifically emphasizing that rule. It is nearly impossible to “misinterpret it.”
Referring to the competitive advantage gained, I honestly have no clue. I didn’t see the videotapes (though that would have been must-see TV), so I really don’t know.
By the way, an isolated incident should not change the defaults. That would be like never flying in an airplane again after 9/11.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
I was just mentioning the belief angle
just because the Colts org. issues a statement, I feel that it is still open to interpretation, that’s all.
Keep the faith!
Is Florio's good point
that he’s a pain in the ass?
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But ANYWAY..."
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by Addai Another Aday on Mar 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
You nailed it,
and got a rec from me.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
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Yes
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
Hmmmm...........
The Colts are a team not on the level when it comes to truthfully reporting injuries. That’s fairly obvious. The only injury I recall Peyton getting listed for in 2009 was a glute injury, and last I checked a man’s butt is pretty fair down from his neck. If Peyton Manning had neck pain as a result of an injury, it should have been reported during the season. That is the whole point behind the injury report! The Colts likely did not report it because they felt it presented a competitive advantage to the opponent.
Now, the injury is out in the open because it requires surgery to fix.
Ugh!
I really, really, really, really, really, REALLY hate how the Colts conduct their business with injuries. It almost always comes back to smack them in the face and make them look like schmucks. They cannot play this “We’re a class organization that plays by the rules” card one minute and then pull this crap the next.
The injury report’s purpose is actually to inform media and fans of players being limited or are not participating in practice, and then later informs fans and media of players who could possibly miss a game and the chances of the player missing the game. Neither of the cases apply to Peyton’s injury because, as Dia linked above,
This condition has existed intermittently for the past four years, but at no time did it interfere with his training, practice or playing regimen. While it never has affected Peyton’s activity on or off the field, the Colts’ medical staff, after post-playoff examination, thought it best to resolve the situation now.
This first explains why there was no report of the injury’s occurrence (it was 4 years ago), and also explains why it wasn’t on the injury report. He never missed any practice time from it and it never impacted his play. He was either just annoyed enough by it (recurring pains do that to you), or the Colts medical people were concerned enough that it could get worse to the point where it does impact his play that they decided that it was best to get the surgery now and resolve it.
And by the way, nothing is blowing up in their face. I have no idea how you are drawing that conclusion.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
by Cassieper on Mar 3, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Both Florio and BBS are hyperventilating
Really, if the thing has never affected him “on or off the field,” why in the hell was did they cut him open? And why did they announce it to the world when they have no requirement to say anything about injuries until the Wednesday before Week One of the 2010 season?
The obvious answer to why they cut him open is that the problem was not static, and while it didn’t bother him enough before, it probably was progressing to the point where Peyton wanted it handled. You know, Florio and BBS, even minor physical problems can degenerate, and what was tolerable in its early stages might be becoming bothersome as time goes on. Better to address it early in the offseason than worry about it near August.
Don’t tell me you two have never heard of problems being minor at first, and simply becoming worse as time goes on. Physical ailments don’t always start out at a level requiring immediate intervention.
And as far as reporting it “when they have no requirement to say anything about injuries until the Wednesday before Week One of the 2010 season?”: Jesus Pete! You two would be the first to nail them for not reporting the surgery when it happened. What in God’s name is this Damned-if-you-do, Damned-if-you-don’t approach? The Colts were forthcoming and direct when they didn’t have to be, and this is your reaction? And you wonder why Polian has a low opion of the press in general and bloggers in particular? This is exactly the sort of post that closes doors, not opens them!
Why didn’t they report it before? Cass already answered that; see above.
This is exactly the sort of hyperventilation that turns front office staff off. Blogs were doing so well in getting credentialed for the Super Bowl, getting better-than-ever levels of access… and then you, Mike Florio, and you, BBS, pulls this. Really, are you guys trying to get a bad reputation? Why give any front office, let alone the Colts, any ammunition to use as an excuse to look down on bloggers? This is exactly the sort of thing that contributes towards low opinions of you guys.
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by E.M.H. on Mar 3, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeppers.
Another thing…I have a similar problem as the result of a car accident years ago. Sometimes I’m great, sometimes it’s just annoying and sometimes it’s so bad I can’t lift my arm.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 3, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Hopefully that’s a very small portion of the time.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Fortunately it is.
Neurosurgeons have said that if I were to have surgery, it’s a 50-50 deal. 50% it gets better, 50% it stays the same or gets worse. The odds aren’t good enough for me to go under the knife.
Your so sweet for caring. ;-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 3, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
*You're
Here’s where I stop caring.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Damn.
That one is one of my biggest pet peeves, too! Oh well, I’ve been up since 4:30 and worked all day. That’s my excuse.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 3, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Only needing more coffee/Diet Sunkist
flies as an excuse here.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Good luck with your surgery.
You’re in my prayers.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think she said that she wasn't having the surgery now,
because it isn’t bad enough yet.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Oops, misread.
I’ll pray anyway. It’s not just something, sometimes it’s the ONLY thing.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Too true.
And thanks. :-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
OMG.
Neurosurgeons? Good grief… that’s terrible. Is it neck, Brachial Plexus, or something further down the arm that’s damaged?
And: Every once it a while, it may be a good idea to check and see if there are any advances in the sort of corrective surgery for whatever condition you have. It’s not guaranteed, of course, but sometimes you can be surprised at how fast something advances. I had a friend who dumb-lucked his way into the same injury to his knee twice 15 years apart. The first time was major surgery that left him in a cast for weeks; the second ended up being arthroscopic surgery done on an outpatient basis. Granted, that’s a joint injury, not a nerve, but still… my point is that sometimes the advances occur rapidly, and what’s iffy surgery in one decade can be high-probability-of-success procedures the next.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
interesting
and you just reminded me to get that MRI on my knee… perhaps a clean-up surgery 13 years later would be beneficial…
How can you not love a team that does this?
I have a herniated disc
at the C-3 level of my spinal cord. It’s only a 4-5 mm rupture, so while it could be serious if I was a professional athelete it’s not so bad (yet) for surgery. I’ve seen multiple nuerosurgeons throughout the years to try to determine if something can be done. Either a new procedure or if the situation has degenerated enough to make a 50-50 shot worth it. So far, I’m ok. I’m just careful with my workout routine.
It’s funny what one can learn to live with, really.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch.
I’ve read about herniated discs before. I thought those healed on their own with lots of rest though. I may be misremembering what I read though.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
I'm sure they can.
My accident was 13 years ago. But, I also have degenerative disc disease, so that may be one reason it’s still a problem. I’ve done localized steroid shots, physical therapy, etc and the problem is still there. But, I’m old now, too so it could be a combination of several things.
See, I knew you still cared. lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
My wife went through much of that as well.
Hers is controlled, but not repaired.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
False.
I don’t care at all.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Yeah, you do.
(sniff)
Cass wubs me!!!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
You can't prove it!
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
you do too...
who doesn’t wub PTB? it is unpossible!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Mar 4, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
It’s amazing how many aches and pains there are after 40, though. Ones that are completely unrelated to an accident, that is. No wonder seniors can be so grouchy! lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ain't that the truth
The whole reason I started working out again was so that I’d have a real, legitimate excuse for whatever joint or muscle was screaming for attention at any given moment. Oh, no, it couldn’t be age-related, it must be because of all those squats and lunges I did (and whoever invented those by the way, should be drawn and quartered.)
Keep the faith!
It has to be the same person
(read: man) who invented high heels with pointy toes.
I hear ya, sistah, I hear ya.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch... oooch... eeeech... ouch...
C3 is high on the neck. Yeah, I can see why you wouldn’t want to do surgery when the odds of success aren’t really, really high.
I do know that there’s a fair amount of quackery on the net about possible non-invasive treatments; I’ve read some less-than-trustworthy sources recommend chiropractic neck manipulation for this (yes, for hernias high on the spinal column, believe it or not. And Christ on a pogo stick, that would be the worst thing you could think of doing with a C1 through 4 herniation; thankfully, most chiros are responsible enough to understand that it would be a terrible idea). I shudder to think that, for all the good that the internet can do as far as making information available, it can also have such a bad effect if the info is bad.
But I don’t think there are any worries here; if PTB’s been going to the same neurosurgeon for over a decade now for this problem, I’m sure she’s gettin good advice on what to do.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Excellent post.
You get a rec.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In an exothermic reaction, heat is a product.
Thank you, Chem 116, for teaching me stuff I already learned in high school chemistry. I always enjoy having my time wasted.
Hey, thanks. I rec'd yours too. It was well said.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Both of your posts
were excellent!
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Agreed
Both rec’ed.
But BBS will probably go on pretending every Colts fan has the same opinion as he does.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
Rec'd
my level-headed friend.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Teams should be allowed to hide players' injuries if they want.
Why should opposing teams be entitled to this competitive advantage? Stupid rule.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
I assumed it was more about the money
that can be won/lost on gambling, though I can’t figure out the direct connection unless there are kickbacks
How can you not love a team that does this?
Wow… If this is a serious injury and Peyton was playing injuried, what is he like when he is healthy???
how about we get some MDs to speculate
on the procedure Peyton underwent?
I have a little knowledge when it comes to neck injuries and do not know of any minor procedures “to relieve pain in his neck caused by a pinched nerve.” My bet is he underwent a cervical discectomy.
http://www.spineuniverse.com/treatments/surgery/cervical/anterior-cervical-discectomy
It's a case for Dr. Blue
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
Actually Chris Mortensen had a pretty good explanation:
He said that there was a bone spur impinging a nerve; had the bone shaved-down to releive the pressure. Now, I’ve never had this, so I’m not sure that would be accurate. But it does sound less invasive, complicated that a discectomy.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I only thought Peyton was a pain in our necks.
Good luck Peyton on speedy recovery.
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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions
*Runs to rub Peyton's neck *
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
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