Jim Sorgi will back up Manning... the one in New York
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST
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It took Jim Sorgi three days to land another job backing up another Manning. Today, the NY Giants signed Sorgi as their back-up quarterback behind Eli Manning, the younger brother of Sorgi's former teammate in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning. Sorgi was drafted by the Colts in the 6th Round of the 2004 draft and has worked as the #2 quarterback since then. He was released March 5th.
As far as back-ups go, you can do a lot worse than Sorgi. He's smart and he can process information quickly. His major stumbling block is his lack of arm strength.
We wish Jim the best in his new job holding a clipboard for baby brother.
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How does where he goes affect us?
Considering with the Giants – we still see him this year.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
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So,
no more Sorgi jokes-Damn.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
We can resume with Bob Sanders' jokes
We always have Mr.50% Bob Sanders, who tore his biceps collecting his huge paycheck and ended up on IR :-).
Not quite the same.
He was defensive player of the year a couple of years ago, Sorgi never did anything. Making fun of Vandy used to be fun.
That sounds bad, I really like Sorgi. IT’s true.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Watch it now....
When Justin Timberlake brought Sexy Back, Bob Sanders was already there, and he hit Justin so hard he now goes by the name Kevin Federline
Our heads may be bloody, but they are unbowed. We will be back next year better than ever!
That had to hurt. lol
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Season opener???
If our season opener is at home with Manning Bowl II, we will find out how well Sorgi knows Peyton’s tendencies to help them in certain situations. I am sure we just out-execute people most of the time, so there are no big secrets but if Tracy Porter can figure out a dig route is coming before setting you up for a double move next, I am sure Sorgi’s brain will come in handy to point out a few tendencies for the Giants’ defensive players, like hot reads etc.
the Colts aren't the 02 Raiders
they know they need to change their signals. There’s some story that I can’t find or remember all the details on, but the gist was the Colts were playing a team with an ex-Colt backup as their backup QB and they had wanted info from him all week. He had told them, there’s no way Peyton didn’t change the signals. Then during the game he recognized a call (for a PA fake I believe), told the DC who adjusted for it, and then James Mungro tore through the soft middle for a massive gain and the whole team was pissed at the backup, while he was stunned by Peyton playing him that badly.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Mar 9, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha love it
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 9, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that story.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Great story,
You have a good memory. That was a while back.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
You don't go based on audibles and signals
Audibles and signals change from game to game, even from quarter to quarter sometimes with NFL professional teams. Formations are the key, how many WRs line up on one side versus the other, how many times does the outside/inside WR go deep letting the inside/outside WR run an underneath pattern, when a blitz comes how many times does Manning check down to a 2nd TE or RB versus hitting a slot wideout going across etc.
But none of these are things that cannot be gained from watching film except a few hot read tendencies if the Giants do blitz since Manning is a creature of habit and has his comfort zones. Sometimes, I wish he was more like a west coast offense type QB, finding his 3rd or 4th option but he does have his comfort spots (Harrison then, Wayne now). Just like the Pats have Faulk & Welker for critical 3rd or 4th down plays.
maybe with a bigger OLine
he’ll have more time to go to 3rd and 4th options
How can you not love a team that does this?
Also, remember the Qadry Ismail story from just last November:
Ismail shares what he calls a “CIA, burn-after-reading secret” out of the Indianapolis playbook from that Jaguars game. When Manning gave Ismail a shoveling motion or said the words “Crane! Crane!” Ismail would run a dig route—a curl or buttonhook in which the receiver goes downfield a certain distance, plants his foot suddenly and turns to face the quarterback. Having seen the signal a couple of times early in the game, Jacksonville corner Jason Craft then taunted Ismail. “I know what y’all are doing!” Craft hollered. “Every time he gives that [shoveling] signal, you run that little in route!”
Now, Ismail could have said, “Are you seriously challenging Peyton Manning?” Instead he told the cornerback he didn’t know what he was talking about, then told Manning and offensive coordinator Tom Moore on the sideline, “He’s bragging like he knows what we’re doing. He’s going to jump that route!” Manning filed the information and talked with Moore about using it later in the game. Sure enough, with the ball at the Jaguars’ 12 in the third quarter, Manning told Ismail that “Crane!” would be a dummy call, and instead of the dig he should run a hitch-and-go (basically a dig, stop and sprint back upfield into the end zone).
“I made a living off double moves,” says Ismail, “and that was the easiest one I ever ran. Peyton gave me the crane sign at the line. I pushed upfield five yards and stuck my foot in the ground as hard as I could. The DB made a beeline to that five-yard spot and looked for the ball, but I just ran into the end zone, all alone. What a simple TD.”
Now, I fully admit that’s not the same thing. For one, it was an in game adjustment due to a mouthy slip by the defender, and for two, it wasn’t due to a former player bringing along secrets from the Colts to another team. But, my point is the need for signals “warfare”, including both security and disinformation, is something Manning knows and pays attention to. And if he knows it, everyone else on the offense knows it too.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I wish that had been done in the SB
To me, when the Saints were playing aggressive man in the 4th quarter, I would have called a double move a few times, in fact I was expecting it, a slugo (slant and go) of some kind. Tracy Porter did not mouth off, he just read the dig route, trusted his instincts and jumped it and Wayne did not do nearly enough to cut Porter off even if it was picked off.
Wayne vs Saints
In the 2007 Saints season opener game for the then SB champs Colts, Wayne had a fumble returned for a TD by Jason David for the Saints first score. And now, in the 2010 SB, this. Wayne needs to make up for these should we play the Saints again someday.
Wayne vs. Saints '07
had 7 for 115 and 2 TDs. We won 41-10. Be reasonable
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Movie Quote of the Week: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?!?"
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I dunno...
I still contend that Wayne actually microfroze on purpose because he didn’t expect to be one-on-one and didn’t want Manning to miss him. But I have no way to prove that. Indy got outplayed on that play, plain and simple. It wasn’t the only one they got outplayed on, but it was enough.
Yeah, I too wish Reggie had made a move on the ball. But that’s in the past; wishes don’t come true just because we wish real hard. And trust me, I’ve spent many days wishing that day were different.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
2 pick sixes, one happened early and one late
It is eerily similar – our 2006 SB winning year and our 2009 SB losing year
Ravens divisional round game – 15-6 Colts in 2006 (total score 21), 20-3 Colts in 2009 (total score 23)
Bears SB / NY Jets AFCCG (like the 2006 SB) – 29-17 Colts in 2006 SB XLI (AV missed extra point), 30-17 Colts in 2009 AFCCG
So I was expecting a similar score in the Colts-Saints SB like the Pats-Colts AFCCG, 38-34. The only thing that happened similarly was the pick six – the one in 2006 AFCCG was early enough in the game with Asante Samuel and the Colts had time to recover, the one in 2009 SB was late in the game with Tracy Porter and the Colts did not have enough time to recover.
Well, this is the ONLY team
I would accept.
/delusions of grandeur
Good luck, Sorge.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
Wouldn't it be fun
if Sorgi actually won the starting job?
How can you not love a team that does this?
That would be hilarious
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
If he does, I'll buy a Sorgi Jersey.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Are you kidding me??
Sorgi needed to go. the dude sucked peer and simple. In no way was he ever going to start ever!! Glas they stopped wasting cash on a useless back up.
How much do you actually know about football?
Sorgi was never here to be a starter. It’s not a waste of cash if you think about the other intangibles he brought. He may have held a clipboard all day long but he was Peyton’s go-to-guy after Tom Moore.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Movie Quote of the Week: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?!?"
WE WANT GAITHER!!!
Right. Manning also bounced ideas off of and listen to Sorgi's take on them
Granted, Manning was the lead on that, and Sorgi was played the sounding board, but it’s not like he was just some shelf for the OC to stick a clipboard on. We make fun of “holding the clipboard”, myself included, but that is a little unfair. Sorgi had one for a reason. He had a very real job, albeit one that didn’t beat him up as much as actually playing. But he was there, and wasn’t just someone taking up space.
That said, I’d rather have a QB who could give us more than a reasonable chance to win if Manning (Heaven FORBID!) ever goes down, but that’s an impossible dream: How can any team have that caliber of QB as a reserve? The days of Montanna/Young are far in the past.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
You said it better than I did,
thanks!
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Movie Quote of the Week: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?!?"
WE WANT GAITHER!!!
more reasonable chance to win
you mean like Painter?
I would have hung on to Sorgi for at least one more year
How can you not love a team that does this?
No, no... that's not what I meant
What I meant was that the stepdown from Manning to either Painter or Sorgi is so large that it renders the difference between the two irrelevant. Hell, the stepdown from Manning to half the QBs in the league is that large.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Meaning, of course, that it doesn't matter who between the two - Sorgi or Painter - is kept; Indy would be screwed either way
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
In other words,
if all your eggs are in one basket, why carry 3 baskets?
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
Well, given that we can't get a second basket that's anywhere near the level of the first...
… nor could we guarantee that our eggs would work well with any other basket…
… man, I don’t think I can stretch this analogy any further, can I? 
And how is it we’re talking about baskets, but not about Basketts? So, how is Hank and Kendra doin’ nowadays, anyone know? 
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
You actually think that sorgi had anything to do with peyton doing what he does?
You have to be delusional to think that. Sorgi was a scrub. The dude couldn’t score a touchdown in the preseason or sustain a drive. Thank God we have never needed him to step in. We would have been in deep sh_t! So if your theory is correct we should see Peyton drop off dramatically and Eli really raise the level of his game? I don’t think so. He was probably like a yes man more than an Idea man.
by FREDRICK D C on Mar 11, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Are you Robert DeNiro?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Drew Willy?
is that you?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
You know who sucks?
Curtis Painter
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
I haz a sad
:-(
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
I won't
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
The Giants need a running back. Jacobs has that burnt out running back look.
I’m an Eagles fan just chiming in to my New York buds. I loathe the Giants the least in the NFC East. I totally hate the Cowboys and can’t stand the stinking Redskins. But I find myself rooting for the Giants from time to time. And I don’t get the rush when we beat you like I do when we beat the skins and boys! I don’t know that Sorgi is better than Carr. But you guys better get some wide outs or its gonna be a long season.
uhhhhh.. dude?
Do you know you’re on a Colts blog? We already have a few decent wide outs.
Careful what you wish for... a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
My Bad! lol I saw the Blue and thought it was the Giants!
Well the Colts are good too! LOL How about that?
ROTFLMAO!
Hey, don’t take offense at my headline… I’m laughing with you, not at you (well, maybe a little at you…. but we all poke fun at each other around here, so it’s just the way we roll ).
But dammit, your mea culpa denies me the chance to employ a couple of new animated gifs I found:
… or:
And I was all ready to bust them out on you, too. Color me disappointed 
. It’s like dressing for the game, but just sitting on the sidelines…
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I love all these animates you use almost every comment
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 9, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wide outs? You're kidding right?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
You know what they say
One Manning’s trash is another Manning’s treasure.
by TehRhino on Mar 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Coming this fall to ESPN…
One man’s struggle to hold a clipboard behind the greatest quarterback ever… And his mediocre baby brother.
Starring Lorenzo Lamas as Jim Sorgi in…
“Scent of a Manning: The Jim Sorgi Story”
We rise. They fall.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Mar 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
LMAO!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Lorenzo Lamas??
Dude, you need to move to high def. Have you seen Sorgi?
Comparison:
Edward Norton’s a better match.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Bob Saget from Full House?
Jim Sorgi probably looks more like a young Bob Saget to me. Can someone get me a picture of that to compare?
WINNER!!!
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Coming soon to DVD.
Rec’d for originality!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
why did the colts cut Sorgi?
just wondering..esp after the whole curits painter thing in week 15
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
(formerly mathew.40)
He has CarpialClipboardinitus
His doctor won’t clear him but he can throw a football for the Giants.
do you guys have fauth in Painter running the offense if anything happens to PM?
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
(formerly mathew.40)
yes sorta
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 9, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Only after another year on the team
I think they let Sorgi walk 1 year early, and I have no idea why.
How can you not love a team that does this?
i agree w. ya
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
(formerly mathew.40)
No fauth or faith in Painter.
"Fans are the only ones who really care. There are no free-agent fans." - Dick Young
Movie Quote of the Week: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?!?"
WE WANT GAITHER!!!
injury
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa. From the open thread
Sorgi failed his physical; Giants pass on him:
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_3fd38e6c-2b86-11df-a36f-001cc4c002e0.html
Damn… didn’t see that coming. Didn’t know there were lingering issues with his shoulder.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
That might scare off other teams as well
Maybe he can still come back as some sort of assistant, dunno…
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Mar 10, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
this is OLD NEWS
here is a more recent article: http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/ny_giants_sign_quarterback_jim.html
How can you not love a team that does this?
Oh! So it wasn't a "flunk", it was a "take a deeper look" holdup
Well, that’s good for Jim. Very good. He still goes to a poentially good team. That works out fine.
I didn’t want to see the guy out of a job. This is excellent news.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
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