Jon Gruden talks quarterbacks even though he still sucks as a coach
I have to agree with Jason McIntyre of The Big Lead; Jon Gruden's "QB Camp" segments on ESPN are outstanding.
Is the kind of work you rarely see from the WWL: In-depth, focused, intelligent reporting with just a pinch of humor. I kind of feel a little dirty agreeing with Jason on this, mainly because Jason kind of has a rep for being a douche in blog circles. He is also an insufferable Jets fan, and I think this warps his overall knowledge of football. Many of Jason's pontifications on the great sport are just plain dumb, like the one he did in 2008 about the Colts.
All that said, he is right about Gruden's ESPN TV work being much improved. I still like him on MNF. He actually knows something about the sport I'm watching, and he often makes a few interesting points. This is in stark contrast to Tony Kornheiser, who, despite 20 plus years of covering the NFL as a writer and TV analyst, knew nothing about the game.
However, despite me agreeing with Jason about Gruden's TV work, one part of his little write-up needs addressing (emphasis mine):
So how is this guy not a head coach in the NFL? These clips are more inspiring than the Ultimate Warrior’s entrance music.
Well Jason, there is a very clear reason why Jon Gruden is not coaching in the NFL in 2010: He isn't a good coach.
Aside from the fact that whoever hires him will need to give him total autonomy over their team (this includes coaching and player personnel decisions) along with more money than any coach currently coaching in the NFL, the reality is that Jon Gruden did not have a lot of success coaching in Tampa Bay.
He did win a Super Bowl his first year there (2002), coaching a team built by Tony Dungy and then-GM Rich McKay. Dungy was fired by the schmucks known to the world as "the Glazer family" because it was viewed that he could not "coach offense," and was limiting the Bucaneers chances to a championship. Thus, the family traded draft picks to Oakland in exchange for offensive guru Jon Gruden. This was done against the advice of McKay, who wanted to hire Marvin Lewis and not waste the draft picks the Glazers eventually sent to the Raiders for Gruden.
After winning the Super Bowl, Gruden brought in Bruce Allen and eventually muscled McKay out of the organization. The results were, from 2003-2008, the Buccaneers did not win a single playoff game. Not one. In fact, in the two post-season games the Bucs played in from 2003-2008, they averaged just over 11 points a game. During his tenure in Tampa Bay, the Bucs offense was never better than the offenses Tony Dungy coached, even though Gruden had a better stable of QBs at his disposal.
Offensive guru, my ass.
Also, with McKay gone, Gruden and Allen went on to make some pretty terrible decisions with their draft picks. Guys like Dewayne White, Michael Clayton, Davin Joseph, and (unfortunately) Gaines Adams were all first day picks that busted. Meanwhile, veteran players like Simeon Rice and Keenan McCardell made it clear that Gruden was a serious grudge holder to the point where he would get vindictive. Rice called him a "scum bag." It's certainly no secret that many veterans hated Gruden's guts.
So, when you factor all these things together, that Gruden:
- Is not a good offensive coach
- Has a tendency to piss off your veterans
- Drafts poorly
- Has a rather unimpressive coaching record, especially within the last nine years
It is very easy to see why Jon Gruden is not coaching somewhere. He isn't that good, and other people in this league who are assistants deserve a better shot than this blowhard re-tread.
Now, before some idiot Bucs fan comes in here and starts blabbing nonsense about how firing Dungy helped the Bucs win, I simply point to an article written two years ago by Joe "shake n bake" Baker and tell such people to shut up. Here is a bit from that excellent article:
Now about those playoffs, with the Bucs Dungy's playoff record was 4 appearances, 2-4 with 2 losses in the first round. Gruden's playoff record in 3 appearances stands at 3-2 with 2 losses in the first round. Gruden's Bucs have made the playoffs one less time, won only one more game there and failed in the first round the same number of times. Without the all time great defenses that Dungy had built Gruden is 0-2 in the playoffs.
Bucs fans will never admit this, but the Glazers made a big mistake firing Tony Dungy. Gruden is not in Dungy's league in terms of coaching. Not even close. Also, many players in Tampa Bay (Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, etc.) credit Dungy with that Super Bowl more than Gruden. When Dungy left Indianapolis, the league practically elected him to Canton right then and there. Players he coached, and players he coached against, all came out and praised him. Hell, even f*cking Belichick issued a press statement praising Dungy. When Gruden was fired from the Bucs, many players came out of the woodwork to take shots at him, and very few came to Gruden's defense.
That tells you all you need to know, doesn't it.
Again, this is the kind of stuff I expect people like Jason McIntyre to know. He doesn't, and it is for that reason he comes off as kind of a douche. Then again, maybe I do as well. But, unlike him, my opinions are right. So, I guess I'm a step up in that I am a conceited douche.
Also, ESPN is being a prick and not allowing us to embed the video to our site. Because of this, I refuse to link to to them. Maybe this means I'm a vindictive as well as conceited douche.
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Meh. I really don't care about his coaching abilities (or lack thereof)
as long as he doesn’t end up coaching the Colts.
I do really like him on MNF though. HUGE improvement over Korn nut.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Ugh...
I can’t stand Gruden even on MNF. He constantly took middle-of-the-road stances during the broadcasts in order not to piss off any potential employers (even though I’m sure his phone isn’t ringing off the hook). Nice piece on telling it like it is, BBS.
"I know it is the fans that are responsible for me being here. I've always tried in each and every broadcast to serve the fans to the best of my ability." - Harry Caray
Those pieces yesterday were fantastic...
The most enjoyable thing (other than PTI) that I’ve seen on ESPN. Didn’t really care for Gruden on MNF, but IMO you could chalk that up to inexperience more than “not wanting to piss off potential employers”. I’m sure he was coached that he has to take an “unbiased” stance on the air. I think as he gets more comfortable things will get better on MNF – much better than their “Tony Kornheiser – comic relief” angle that blew up in their faces.
I do hope he never coaches in the NFL again though, he was in way over his head as a HC and would’ve been figured out years earlier if he worked for a family with any football knowledge. Tony Dungy was the greatest blessing Gruden ever received.
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I like Grudens commentary!!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
"Maybe this means I'm a vindictive as well as conceited douche."
Well, if you weren’t, would anybody read you? :P
I’m just takin’ the piss, man. In truth, your formula for this site clearly works.
Also, everybody should be vindictive toward ESPN.
Anonymity breeds inhumanity. In simpler terms, don't be a troll.
You are all glossing over the fact that..........
there was a link to the ultimate warrior’s theme music in this story.
Davin Joseph
I agree with what you said, but Davin Joseph is not a bust. He’s one of the best guards in all of football. Watch some film.
Dungy
IDIOTS…I went to every game in the dungy era, taped them, watched them again. We had no offense to win a super bowl, had the players but not the scheme. Gruden could have done more had he not dismantled the offense. He can not evaluate talent at least not here cause the raider offense was rediculous. And the fool that mentioned sapp stood up for Dungy, look at NFL network on that superbowl where sapp narrates and says love dungy to death but we would never one with that offense. Bucs greatness started in 98 Dungy gets a smart offensive coach and he reels in 2 more easy, he was just stubborn. His colts defenses didnt come close to touching what the bucs accoplished, he had best offense in NFL and managed on e super bowl. I love him but he soo stubborn for his own good. Gruden is no idiot he is not going to bury himsel on MNF from another job, the only way he will open up is if he gets Madden money, and even then I think he loves the game to much not to be back on sidelines. that being said he is better than anyone prior on Monday night as the third head. He will have his own show soon…buc fans no Gruden no Ring…..Gruden no ego more rings, u blew it…..back to the cellar cause we are no where near the Saints anytime soon….

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