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BBS' take on Colts selecting Pat Angerer in the second round of the 2010 NFL Draft

While I'm sure Joe "shake n bake" Baker is happy that yet another Iowa kid is on the roster, I think we all agree that the Colts didn't need a friggin' linebacker in the Second Round. The Colts needed a left tackle, and at pick #63 the Colts passed on Charles Brown, left tackle at USC, and selected Pat Angerer, a linebacker. Interestedly, the team that beat the Colts in Super Bowl 44, the Saints, scooped up Brown minutes after the Colts passed on him.

To say that I'm not happy with this pick is an understatement. This is a bad pick. A "reach" pick.

I get the sense that since Polian has been so horrible taking linemen of late that he might be a little gun shy of taking yet another o-lineman in the second round. I know that sounds odd, but this is the same Bill Polian who busted on Tony Ugoh in 2007 and Mike Pollak in 2008. I'm sorry, but you cannot sit there and tell me that Charlie Johnson is a better left tackle than Charles Brown. And considering that the Super Bowl Champion Saints took Brown at pick #64, you can't tell me that we was not "worthy" of a second round pick.

And passing on him for a linebacker like Angerer? Makes absolutely no sense.

Angerer has great instincts and was a tackling machine at Iowa. But, is he a better linebacker than Philip Wheeler? Does he replace Gary Brackett? Give Clint Session a run at WILL? I'm sure Angerer will be great on special teams. I'm sure he'll provide some great things, but as a back-up. He won't be starting next year, not unless there's an injury.

We needed a starter at pick #63. Not a back-up, special teams player.

Again, I don't hate the idea of the Colts taking Angerer. He seems to fit the bill as a Colts linebacker. But at pick #63, he was a reach. Polian seems to have something against lineman in the first two rounds now. At some point, VERY soon, the Colts need to get a left tackle. Anyone thinking this team will win a Super Bowl next year with the o-line we currently have is delusional. Absolutely delusional.

One fun fact about Angerer: He ate 27 pancakes at a charity event. Hopefully, he eats a few ball-carriers over the middle as the Colts new linebacker.

Regardless of Polian making a bad pick here, welcome to the Colts Pat Angerer!

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I’m OK with this pick. I don’t trust Wheeler at all.

by Gio on Apr 23, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with this.

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi

by gizzardfanny on Apr 23, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely...

You aren’t going to see Pat go and cover one of the OLB positions. The man is built to be a MLB. A MLB who hits hard, gets furious when his name is invoked, eats pancakes like a motherfucker, and hey, he can cover, too.

by Paladin58 on Apr 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i could take or leave the pick

regardless of the circumstances of the pick this kid is perfect for our system.im not sayin hes gonna start but im sure we are going to hear his name a couple of times on sundays

If It Is Ordained By God I Remain Ruler...So I Shall Lead

by bobzilla21 on Apr 23, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont like the pick either
and i think you might be on something withe the bust situation
w.e though in Pollian we trust?

by FenixL on Apr 23, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

And F***ING WOW!!!!!

I turned it off right after the Colts pick to take a shower, and now I just find out that the Saints take Brown??? This may be the worst Polian pick I have ever seen since Pollak (and I HATED that pick). The guy is slow and was a late third rounder at best (where we could have still landed him). So instead, the position Polian whined about after the Super Bowl is getting thinner and thinner in the draft, and who gets the best remaining OL? The f***ing “who dat” crew. That’s right, the team who caused Polian to bash the linemen, takes the best linemen remaining in the draft due to Polian’s decision to take a guy who may or may not make our roster. F———- for this pick (that’s an f minus inf. by the way, not a curse word). Could have gone return specialist as well, but nah…..let’s get a guy we don’t need at all who is not even close to being the BPA. Wasn’t so mad about this until I saw the Saints take Brown.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Have a little faith

There is a reason Polian is the GM and everybody on the board is not, Angerer is a hard working, no bullshit MLB, will he start right away, no, but he has a lot of fight in, literally, he once said if the NFL didn’t work out, he was going to fight MMA.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

He has a lot of fight in him

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Apr 23, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are probably right

I am definitely disrespecting the young man, and I should not be doing that. But I seriously have no f***ing clue what Polian thinks he is doing. I won’t badmouth Angerer anymore, but he 100% wasted his third round pick with Thomas. Passed on Brown, now passed on Campbell. For backups. Wow.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Apr 23, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its the understatement of the century that by now, Polian has earned the benefit of the doubt.

by jaredtaskin1 on Apr 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good pick

those smucks from usc don’t necessarily have a good track record coming to the good ole midwest, (i.e. fili maoli). i have a feeling that brown was a good player, but probably lazy and/or a flake. if he was a sure-fire starter, we would have taken him……you have to remember, polian is the best there is, and if he is cool with it, i trust him.

W. Morton

by wmorton2 on Apr 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Truth is somewhere in the middle

My take on things is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. First of all Phillip Wheeler is just average and not the long term solution at linebacker. Angerer definetly seems to have a good work ethic and talent to play this position.

However the part I agree is about Polian having an psychological complex after being bitten by the picks of Ugoh and Pollak…

Polian has a track record of making such picks in round 2 and 3. Even though the NFL is a passing league you have to have a good OL to get those 3rd downs via running .

Also peyton needs some help……I am disappointed that the colts are changing nothing with respect to the OL.

But this was to be expected.The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

by Horseshoe_Tsunami on Apr 23, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

THE WORLD IS ENDING!

Bill Polian sucks at drafting, when has he ever had any success at picking anybody? ever?

"Are you f*cking kidding me???"

by danorocks17 on Apr 23, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I've never said this on here before either but

You’re being too nice about this. This pick was abysmal. Polian must have already shored up the OL problems with the new “franchise” linemen Adam Terry (who is not bad, but no LT) and practice squadder Andy Alleman. Complete COMPLETE waste of a second round pick. If Campbell is gone, Polian will have to explain why the hell he bitched so much about the o-line only to completely disregard improving it through the draft.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Apr 23, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree and disagree

30 other teams passed on him TWICE. Something is clearly wrong with him.

I look at it like this: He could be essentially a Tony Ugoh clone. He has the same kind of questions about him. He’s surely more athletic and capable than CJ, but so was Tony. Ugoh is a damn fine athlete and showed flashes of excellence – there’s still some amount of hope that he won’t be a total bust. I can only imagine that they suspected that the chances of success for Brown were not super high, much like Ugoh.

Mock drafts are stupid and pointless.

by willyduer on Apr 23, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Pat Angerer

Any time we can make a “PAT” Angerer! It’s probably a good thing.

by Believe in Blue on Apr 23, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

clearly this Colts line has no shot of making the Super Bowl

what the hell are you smoking. You are telling me that Ryan Lilja is the difference between an O Line that makes the Super Bowl and one that doesn’t?

Once again BBS proves his only real skill is hyperbole.

by kasey_junk on Apr 23, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I like the pick

Will this improve our team? I like to think so. The purpose of the draft is to improve your team and this pick will do that. Also I think our weakness on the OL is the middle of the line not at LT. Peyton makes the offense elite. If we can open a hole up the middle for our running backs this will improve our running game and B.P. has addressed this and I think he will continue to do so. Now if we can get another D.B., T.E., D.T. we will be fine. Watch we can only get so much better picking in the later rounds of the draft.

by David Porter on Apr 23, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this pick!

Last year we desperately wanted a DT and got all pumped about a DT in the end of round 2 from USC. Now some are wondering if he was a good choice or not. Too early to tell still. However, that could well be Brown a year from now. Or worse yet, we could know he was a bust. Mike Pollack was drafted at this same spot two years back, and that’s one OL player we have soured on.

I give Polian the benefit of the doubt any day over anyone else. And this guy looks like a great Colt!

I say we will get a LT in this draft still, and one that will be better than Brown in the end. And meanwhile we found Brackett’s replacement eventually and backup now. That was needed. See ’08.

by coltsfanawalt on Apr 23, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Brown?

What’s all this hate towards Polian not picking Charles Brown? Brown is a developmental LT at best and only benched 21 reps?! More ready than Charlie Johnson right now? Uhhh no. Brown needs to add some major strength. I’m good with the Angerer pick. Fills the need for another LB and I liked the way this kid played at Iowa. We still have rounds 3,4,5 and 7 to go PLUS the undrafted FA’s to grab some O-linemen.

by Craig Murray on Apr 23, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

oh no

he underperformed on a test that has no predictive value whatsoever.

I agree about him in general… it’s just that the stupid bench press has nothing to do with it.

Mock drafts are stupid and pointless.

by willyduer on Apr 23, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too bad

Angerer was a reach but I think he is a good fit for the Colts and has the potential to crack the starting lineup this season. However, they could have waited for Bowman, Norwood, or even Edds. Still, for those who wanted an OL, there is still Bruce Campbell, Matt Tennant, and Mitch Petrus. Plus I’ve heard that the reason Brown fell so far was due to a health concern. I guess as with all picks only time will tell.

by Lell87 on Apr 23, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m totally behind this pick. One of the reasons the Colts draft better than say the RAIDERS is that we don’t get seduced by measurables, school pedigree, etc. The colts do their own scouting and focus on the player’s drive, focus, college production etc. When it comes to drive, focus, and college production Charles Brown was weak. And, as Craig Murray pointed out, he didn’t even have that great of measurables.

Oh, and as for the Saints picking charles brown. So what? The Saints are in a very different situation than us. They can still resign Jamall Brown (an excellent OL) which means that they could plan to DEVELOP charles brown. This is something that the colts do not necessarily want to do, especially when he has hustle/character issues. Instead, the colts plan for the future, as they always do (which is why we have always have a next man up) by picking a solid tackling LB.

by sandsnake on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Take it from a longtime Colts fan and a Hawkeye fan...

…this IS a good pick. Angerer is like Bob Sanders, only without the injuries and with more tattoos. Plus, in addition to having a motor like a Saturn V rocket, the dude gives the best interviews on the planet—dull he ain’t. He’s a headsy player, plays to the hilt every play, and a great teammate. Few years ago he was felled by Mono, and almost quit football—within a season, he was dominating the field, EVERYWHERE all at once. Since then, he’s been Bob Sanders-like in his ability to be in the right place at the right time.

Plays hurt, play every play, don’t care where he just wants to hit a guy on the numbers. Trust me, you won’t regret this pick.

You also won’t regret taking Iowa TE Tony Moeaki, either, if that comes to pass. Like Dallas, only a better blocker—his only problem is injuries.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Apr 23, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Polian says..........

I don’t really pay attention to what fans think about who I draft. I’ve forgotten more than any fan is ever gonna know. Fans just need to shut the phuck up because I am the man, and they aren’t. Angerer was a great pick in the fourth round. Wait, whatdya mean second round? You’re full of chit. Oh man, I wanna do over.

by tim55 on Apr 23, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

you can say fuck and shit you know

COCK. BALLS.

Mock drafts are stupid and pointless.

by willyduer on Apr 23, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

BBS talent evaluator ?

BBS thinks this is a bad pick because his choice for a first rounder is still waiting – not his choice for a 2nd rounder. Pack your ego in. Angerer will contribute more than many 2nd round choices. He has experience in zone coverage and may replace Brackett in a couple of years.

by hagarwood on Apr 23, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Fine, i'll just say it...

.. Charlie Johnson is better than Charles Brown. Period.

by ColtKing on Apr 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Charlie Johnson is better than everyone

He’ll be All-Pro next year. Just watch.

(Or he might never see the field. Either way.)

Mock drafts are stupid and pointless.

by willyduer on Apr 23, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually still holding out hope that Ugoh can be resurrected

But then I’m an optimist.

Nothing's complicated if you understand it.

by ctnyc on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

The Colts, a billion dollar company, just pulled this out of their ass? The just disregarded the input of their expensive scouting staff and just decided to pull a name out of a hat this year?

Obviously left tackles as good as Tarik Glen don’t pop up every year—and even ones as good as Charlie Johnson don’t. Want them to draft a tackle 1% better than Johnson (or just as likely worse) because they have a need for a better tackle? Or should they take the best player on the board—according to their scouts?

It’s better to see who they pick and wonder why than to pretend you have sent people to the games these college players played in and studied them as thoroughly as they have.

The drafting staff of the Colts knows what they are doing. If Peyton gets sacked 100x this year it’s because they didn’t have the players available. If they had them available, they would bring them in.

by wcwills on Apr 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously BBS?

Seriously. Really? So Charles Brown over Charlie Johnson at LT was the difference between this Colts team making the Super Bowl in ‘10 and them missing it? Wow. You’re flat wrong, my friend.

Clearly the team had no interest in Brown, or they would’ve taken him in the first, or again when they selected Angerer. It doesn’t mean that Polian is “gun shy.” It means an excellent talent evaluator decided a guy wasn’t worth the pick. Get over it. God. You never cease to amaze me with your crazy.

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by LukeNukem on Apr 24, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

In Polian I Trust

When it comes to the draft (excluding the third round), all others are fools and Polian knows all.

St. Louis Cardinals and Indy Colts fan. Avid fan of the Springfield Cardinals, the Cards' AA team!

by Sir Sci on Apr 24, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the Pick

I had Abgerer on the big board at 63 as a potential pick. To me, this was a great move

by metal_militia on Apr 24, 2010 5:00 AM EDT reply actions  

oline

I agree 1000%. He is gunshy but look at his record on linebackers its not much better in the recent past. I said it last year and here it is again,Bill should limit his picks to skill only. Someone else needs to pick linemen. I rest my case.

by RvHauler1 on Apr 24, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Angerer might not have big time speed but I can tell you as a Hawkeye fan that this guy is the real deal. I have been watching him start for the past two years. High motor, high intelligence player that has a knack for making plays and sniffing out the run. He’s also a very sure tackler and at times can lay out big hits and force fumbles. Definitely not a bad pick like some people on here are claiming. You get added depth at the middle linebacker position and when Bracket needs a breather Angerer can step in with fresh legs and make plays.

by Zachary Scott Clary on May 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Angerer sucks...

…at track. Football is his game, he knows how to play team defense. As far as Johnson goes he’s played both tackle spots and LG, give him a chance to settle in. Patience, grasshopper.

by joefan71 on May 13, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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